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"YOU, THE JURY" Do TFP Members Believe The Official Version of What Happened on 9/11?
I am seeking the opinion of as broad a segment of the TFP membership as possible. Here is "the evidence" that white house, defense, CIA, and FAA officials did not make a sincere effort to disclose accurately, the events leading up to, and during the attacks on 9/11.
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01-02-2008, 11:45 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I think perhaps the circumstances were abused to appoint individuals, enact certain laws, and ensure the power of certain individuals, but I do believe that terrorists crashed planes into the Twin Towers. I personally find a conspiracy such as "controlled demolition" (and similar explanations) to be quite ludicrous. All of your quoted articles point to an abuse of power before, during, and following the attacks, but do not point to the actual "story" of 9/11. I'm not surprised that politicians would abuse a natural disaster to garner support for their political causes, nor am I surprised that they would mislead their constituents and peers in order to further aggregate their power. I think that "evidence" that similar simulations had occurred prior to or during the 9/11 attacks is evidence only in retrospect; I expect that drills of these sorts happen regularly, and quite frankly I expect individuals who claim to support domestic security to be doing such training exercises. But that has nothing to do with what actually happened ON 9/11. I can believe in terrorist-filled 747s without simultaneously absolving politicians of wrongdoing, as you seem to imply with the title of this thread.
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01-02-2008, 12:06 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Everyone: Oh god, it's Willravel....
No, I do not believe that there is enough evidence to support the story told in the 9/11 Commission and more MSM sources regarding the massacres on 9/11 and not only that, but there is plenty of evidence that contradicts said story. Unfortunately, there is not enough information to draw a picture of what really did happen, so we're left in the dark. Is Loose Change correct? No, the Die Hard with a Vengeance scenario is not supported by evidence. Is the official story correct? No, it's contradicted by evidence. The truth lies somewhere in between. I won't get into it too much more than that, because there are other threads that I'd simply be repeating. Again. I do want to cover two points: 1) It's clear to anyone, theorist or not, that the administration has benefited from 9/11 and has used it to their own selfish ends. 2) Host has a lot of good information in his posts. It'd be a shame to ignore it because it seems like too long of a read. |
01-02-2008, 12:10 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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I read most of it, that must of taken a long time to put together.
I don't believe in what the government says happened. And I also don't believe the extremists who think that there were no planes at all. I actually agree with willravel on this one, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Lets not turn this into a conspiracy thread though and just keep the wild accusations and figure pointing's to ourselves. |
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01-02-2008, 12:15 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
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2) Host has a lot of one sided information in his posts meant to lead you to think there was a conspiracy of some kind. It'd be a shame to ignore it because I think 9/11 was an inside job. Seriously christ on a cracker, not this shit again.
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01-02-2008, 12:17 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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01-02-2008, 12:28 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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Otherwise, what you are doing here is what it looks like at first glance....an unsupported attempt to discredit me, to distract from the evidence I've posted of a long deliberate pattern of official deception..... |
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01-02-2008, 12:29 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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I think you've worded this carefully, so I'll address the words carefully. I agree with two of three points. I believe; (1) The official story is flawed. There are details of the events which we will necessarily never know (passenger conversations, fuel levels in the jets, etc). There are also details which cannot be released, for legitimate security reasons (specific terrorist plans), and there are details which could've been released but were not. The last category is naturally of concern, but I think it (like I mentioned in my previous posts) stems from their desire to stay in power. By hiding some of the details, their authority is necessitated, and their arguments given more credence. I think it is natural for leaders to omit occasional details which pose them in a bad light. (2) The story is contradicted. I think this is another effect of bureaucracy and the number of people involved in such a thing. If you tell two people the same story of a series of events, they'll likely repeat that story in two very different ways. If you continue this series (like the childhood game Operator), the end result is a very different story. This alone IS NOT enough to discredit the original story, however. The 'operator' in the game above presumably knows the whole story and tells the truth, so the fact that his compatriots do not repeat the same story does not invalidate his. And yet, when we arrive at "(3) the story is compromised", I disagree. Despite obvious lies, confusion, contradiction and direct omission of information, I do not believe that the general story ("Airplanes hijacked by a terrorist organization crashed into the Twin Towers, causing structural failure and eventual collapse") to be compromised. As for the concluding question, I think I would need the following in order to believe the story was compromised: (1) Substantial and verifiable admissions by persons directly involved in the "actual" events. The main conspiracy theory is that it was some sort of thermite-powered controlled demolition, so I would need a verifiable engineer or worker who blew the whistle, and claimed that he was involved in the planning or execution of such a demolition. (2) Evidence with demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that "The Powers That Be" were aware of the individuals discovered in (1). and (3) Scientific research which earnestly claimed that a controlled demolition (or similar conspiracy) was a MORE feasible explanation than the one we all witnessed through the media (planes crashing into buildings), including analysis of the cost of such a conspiracy, the materials needed, and the engineering required to architect such a thing. ** The problem for us, host, is that it is unlikely, for a multitude of reasons, that any of my required evidence, (1), (2), or (3) will ever be available, or in the case that it is available, reputable enough for me to believe. And because of this, I will continue to believe that ALTHOUGH the President, VP, and other members of the administration manipulated the fallout of such a tragedy for their own personal and political gain, the event itself was not previously 'orchestrated', as I believe you do.
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01-02-2008, 12:31 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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so wait....before the snarkiness mounts...
the op seems to hinge on a linkage between the destroyed interrogation tapes and 9/11 attacks....i dont really see the linkage--the case in the op seems circumstantial, so that IF you were inclined to doubt the official line a priori, you COULD fit the tapes into it---but that presupposes an inclination to doubt a priori. how would you argue to someone who is NOT inclined to doubt the official story that there are grounds TO doubt it? in other words, i think the op presupposes what it could (or should, depending on your view of such things) argue directly. the older threads on this have been mostly in paranoia...i suspect that folk have read through some of that stuff at least, so i'm NOT asking for a plot summary---just the argument, please.
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01-02-2008, 12:38 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Crazy lot of articles there. I'm not going to bother to read them, sorry =/
I don't see why our government would actively choose to do nothing if they knew that the world trade center was going to fall. I have enough faith in people on the whole to discount that possibility. Now, maybe someone did know. If that person knew, and was incapable of doing anything because the bureaucracy was too much, that's a shame. If one person knew who was able to do something about it, they must not have realized what was going on. If one person knew, but they were currupt enough to want to kill a bunch of people, then... well... that's another issue.
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01-02-2008, 01:54 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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Isn't it obvious?
9-11 was planned by the dumbest evil genius in the history of fascism and his bald sidekick Darth Cheney. And yes, the numerous articles pasted above are all tilted in one direction; but to be fair, the OP himself says as much: "here is "the evidence" that white house, defense, CIA, and FAA officials did not make a sincere effort to disclose accurately, the events leading up to, and during the attacks on 9/11." That being obvious, I'm not sure why ustwo deserved the spanking he was administered. Besides, this is not the Politics board. Haven't the personal attacks and petty squabbling done sufficient damage to that board? My fear is that the cancer in that forum is now trying to metastasize in the whole community. This topic is plainly paranoia and should be moved off of the General Discussion board. Not paranoia, you say? Then how about politics?
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01-02-2008, 02:38 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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I've yet to see an 'official' government report EVER tell the whole and complete truth about an issue. It's how they save their reputation and keep the populace calm by feeding them the most plausible set of circumstances to suspend disbelief.
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01-02-2008, 02:50 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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Planes being flown by a bunch of crazy fucks hit a couple of buildings.
Thousands of people died. The crazy fucks did it because they don't like us. We don't like them. Our Government is full of morons. We voted for them. The poor from out country are now killing the poor in other countries so the rich can keep being rich. What else is there to know?
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01-02-2008, 03:21 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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All this discussion boils down to one basic thing, ignore all else.
Either: 1) Our Government both has the evil will to kill thousands of it's own people in an attempt to gain more power, regardless of how much the Government has extended it's power in peacetime. Also, is capable of keeping such an outlandish and massive plot secret when we've never kept succeeded anything secret, let alone anything this bad. 2) The story is true, there are pissed off Muslims out there who wish to kill us and sometimes succeed. You can point out the sideline points all you want, but these tidbits of trivia do not erase this massive either/or. Sorry Host, I know what I know and you believe what you believe and do not want to look at the evidence.
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01-02-2008, 03:26 PM | #21 (permalink) |
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I do not have confidence in the official 9/11 report because it's scope was purposely limited by the administration.
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01-02-2008, 04:05 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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I think that governments and especially 'intelligence' groups have a very fine line to tread, in that if they start announcing to the whole world that there is a credible threat of X, then the possibility of that specific incident occurring is minimised, but it does not necessarily help them to catch the perpetrators of that future event and actually leaves them free to plot threat Y. It also has the possibility of causing
a) panic b) cry wolf syndrome (i.e. people start ignoring the warnings). Having said all that, I agree with whoever above said governments by and large will hide facts that paint them in a bad light, even going so far as lying to deflect criticism. This is (unfortunately) a failing of democracy, in that elected officials are working to get themselves re-elected. They will also take advantage of any situation to push their own agendas. I suspect that there is a bit of both items above and I'd bet (especially in the first instance), that the intelligence agencies have a lot of tough decisions to make and generally try to do what they think best. Maybe this is me being naive, but I'd like to think that by and large people are not all 'me me me' focused. I also think that Intelligence agencies have to work without too much interference.
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01-02-2008, 04:06 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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This is not a mystery.
Usama bin Laden has admitted, no bragged, on several occasions, that he is responsible for 9-11. The U.S. government, going back at least to 1993, failed to cap this guy, even after he publicly declared war on the United States. The U.S. government is incompetent--big fucking surprise--but there was no government conspiracy on 9-11. So incompetent is the U.S. government that there's not a single chance in hell that they could pull off something of this magnitude without the entire Western world reading about it in big fucking red blinking lights on Broadway. Do we have all the information known by the government about 9-11? Probably not. Hell, the government doesn't even know what it knows and doesn't know. I've lived long enough to see this whole sorry cycle repeat itself half a dozen times: first there's tragedy, then unity, then recrimination, and finally conspiracy theory centered around government duplicity. Going back to World War II-- the British left was sure the U.S. Army was amassing on their fair island to reinstate the monarchy. Meanwhile, the American right was saying FDR allowed the bombing of Pearl Harbor. We swallow elephants whole, but choke on fern seeds.
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01-02-2008, 05:50 PM | #27 (permalink) | |
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well, what i for one didnt know until this afternoon is that the interrogations in question involve at least two of "senior operatives" who were central (among the pool of 118) sources that the administration--then the 9/11 commission--relied on to link al qaeda to the attacks.
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now there are all kinds of problems generated by this action on the part of the cia. and there is another riot of problems generated by the cia reliance on torture-y or torture-ish interrogation techniques. and there is a third set of problems to do with obstruction of an investigation. and another set of problems still created by how this cluster of other problems looks. i mean, it doesn't matter how rabid a bushfan you might be, you still have to admit this this doesn't look good. but in a way it's *because* i personally would be inclined to see these problems as fitting together that i am trying not to do it, simply because the case that one can make of all this stuff remains circumstantial so far. it seems to me that the next step would probably have to be to look at the 9/11 commission report and work out the role of these "interrogations" in establishing the administration's case first that the commission's findings second. what you could do by way of this would be a function of the sourcing protocols in the report itself---and if these torture-ish or torture-like interrogtions happened at the bottom of the bush people's black hole of secrecy, i hardly think it's going to turn up as a citation in the public version of the report. but hey, who knows? anyone done the legwork required to make this tighter? or are we stuck in a sense because we are "the public"--you know the ones who allegedly have sovereignty in a "democracy" but who are also not privy to adequate information for making any meaningful decisions---you know how it goes: you live in it.
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I DON'T want this thread to go in this direction, but I'll back up what willravel posted because it seems to be part of the actual record: You can visit these three locations to find more on the contention that bin Laden has never been officially declared personally responsible for planning or executing the 9/11 attacks: http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13664.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082700687.html Quote:
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<i>"There could have been absolutely no doubt in the mind of anyone at the C.I.A. -- <h3>or the White House</h3> -- of the commission's interest in any and all information related to Qaeda detainees involved in the 9/11 plot. Yet no one in the administration ever told the commission of the existence of videotapes of detainee interrogations."</i> Consider that they accused NORAD officials of false testimony, back in 2004, agreed to let the DOD and FAA investigate whether crimes were committed relating to that testimony, and that the Inspectors General in both agencies conducted white wash investigations, and that the DOD hid it's report for more than a year after it was completed, it saw the light of day only after a long ignored FOIA request was responded to, and that the promised second phase of the DOD report that was claimed to "exonerate" NORAD officials involved, was not released....it's 17 months since the DOD IG promised to release it "soon", and 41 months since the 9/11 Commissioners assigned the investigation to the DOD IG, instead of in a criminal complaint to the DOJ. The 9/11 Commissioners also claimed, even though they had asked, that they were never told by anyone in the president's administration, of a July 10, 2001 briefing of then National Security Advisor, Condie Rice by George Tenet of, <i>"about an imminent Al Qaeda attack and failed to persuade her to take action."</i> I posted much other info in the OP that indicates there was an intention to mislead the American people about what the president knew and when he knew it, with regard to the 9/11 attacks. I seek one thing only, with this thread. <h3>A consensus of the members on whether, it is, or isn't REASONABLE to believe that the US leadership misled us about what happened on the morning of 9/11, and about what they knew in advance, and when they knew it.</h3> Here's one more example that concerns me greatly: President Meets with Displaced Workers in Florida Town Hall Meeting Quote:
There was no "TV" that "was obviously on", in the "hallway" that Bush was not "waiting in", and there was no broadcast, at the time that he stated, that televised what he told the child at the December, 2001 town meeting, the he, Bush, could have watched to see the airliner crash into WTC1.... ....and a month later, Bush repeated this impossible to believe (IMO) "story": Quote:
The effect of all of this, and today's op-ed by the chairman and co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission are just more of a long sequence of anecdotes, is to raise reaonable doubts that could be erased with frank communication to us, "the people", but there has been a total refusal to do so, even to members of the 9/11 Commission, itself. Couple all of this with the question, "what have they been right about"?...In all of their military and security responses to the 9/11 attacks? They should be "trying harder" to restore and maintain their own credibility, with us. They're not. Some of us demand that they attempt to do so, and some are continued defenders, apologists, "explainers". of the inexplicable. Go figure..... Last edited by host; 01-02-2008 at 06:35 PM.. |
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Bin Laden: Moussaoui Not Linked to 9/11 By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF, Associated Press Writer Tue May 23, 5:34 PM CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden purportedly said in an audio tape Tuesday that Zacarias Moussaoui _ the only person convicted in the U.S. for the Sept. 11 attacks _ had nothing to do with the operation. "He had no connection at all with Sept. 11," the speaker, claiming to be bin Laden, said in the tape posted on the Internet. "I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers. The al-Qaida chief said the Sept. 11 hijackers were divided into two groups, "pilots and assistants." "Since Zacarias Moussaoui was still learning how to fly, he wasn't No. 20 in the group, as your government has claimed," bin Laden said. "It knows this very well," he added. Read the complete article here: http://www.comcast.net/news/internat...ookieattempt=1 Then there's this: Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982. "We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind." (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/..._10-29-04.html) And this from one of bin laden's flunkies: "Al-Qa'ida takes pride in that, on September 11, it destroyed the elements of America's strategic defense, which the former U.S.S.R. and every other hostile state could not harm. These elements are: early warning, preventive strike, and the principle of deterrence." (http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cg...=sd&ID=SP34402) And this from Khalid Sheikh Muhammad: “I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z.” (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=32456) Reuters reports his admission here: http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNew...BrandChannel=0 "The events of Manhattan were retaliation against the American-Israeli alliance's aggression against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, and I am the only one responsible for it. The Afghan people and government knew nothing about it. America knows that," the al-Qaida leader said.
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01-02-2008, 06:44 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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personally, i dont doubt that there are statements from bin laden, but i would see them as taking advantage of free and available publicity.
put yourself in his position, and you'd probably do the same thing, say the same thing, no matter if it's based on fact or based on a desire to take advantage of cheap and easy pr. not much different from saying that you worship cthulu, really. so given that there's even less reason to trust what bin laden said than there is to trust what the bush administration says (no need to go into this...it's all obvious) then what would maybe be good would be to see what the demonstration is that al qaeda IN FACT had something to do with the attacks. that you, aladdin, THINK that the statements of bin laden are reliable--even though in almost any other context, you'd probably be among the first to say that statements from him were the opposite--really doesn't mean much in the larger scheme of things. but i digress. thanks for the info, host, but i'm still stuck on the linkage between who these interrogations involved and the conclusions of the 9/11 commission. so far the story hasn't really broached this level of (potential) problem---the kean edito simply argues for obstruction and drops a few interesting facts along the way--but given that the aim of the edito is to argue obstruction and not to raise questions about the commission report itself--at least not at this point---there's neither any reason to have gone further nor is there any disappointed expectation floating about in the fact that it stopped where it did. i think it would matter, and matter quite alot, if the infotainment the commission used for the report was in part or as a whole extracted under torture, wouldn't you? it seems to me that this is the direction indicated by the information here and elsewhere about the linkage of the cia tape destruction and the 9/11 report.
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01-02-2008, 07:41 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=1009
One of the best episodes ever, minus the Hardily boys, full episode if you never saw it. Kyle: Will you shut up about 9/11! Cartman: Kyle, why are you so afraid of the truth?! Kyle: Because anybody who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is a retard! Cartman: Oh really? Well did you know that over one-fourth of people in America think that 9/11 was a conspiracy? Are you saying that one-fourth of Americans are retards? Kyle: Yes. I'm saying one-fourth of Americans are retards. Stan: Yeah, at least one-fourth. Kyle: Let's take a test sample: There's four of us, you're a retard, that's one-fourth. Cartman: ...There are soo many people who know the truth, Kyle. Uh Butters! [sees Butters walking towards the group] Butters: Hey, fellas! Cartman: Butters, do you think 9/11 was just a plot by some angry terrorists, or do you think there was some kind of coverup? Butters: Well, I heard that 9/11 was caused by President Bush. Cartman: Aha! Do you see? Kyle: Where did you hear that?? Butters: [points] From Eric. Cartman: I rest my case. Kyle: [walks up and stands next to Butters] Butters, you don't really believe that, do you? Butters: Well, l-uh, I mean, uu, you never know. Uh the government does some pretty spooky things. The government and the corporations headed by the Jews that tear down 9/11. Cartman: That's right, Butters. Kyle: Goddamnit, you see what happens when you spread this stupid crap, fatass?! Cartman: What?! People see the truth?! Butters: Can I go now? Cartman: You guys are blind!! I can't believe that everyone here is just buying into what they're told by the media! [begins to move away from the boys] I'm gonna go find out the truth. I'm gonna blow the lid off this whooole 9/11 conspiracy once and for all! [goes around a corner and disappears] ..... Bush: Boys, you don't understand. People need to think we are all-powerful. That we control the world. If they know we weren't in charge of 9/11 then... we appear to control nothing. Kyle: Well why don't you just tell people the truth?! Bush: We do that too. And most people believe the truth. But one fourth of the population is retarded. If they wanna believe we control everything with intricate plans, why not let them? ........ Kyle: So then, who was responsible for 9/11? Stan: Whattaya mean? A bunch of pissed-off Muslims. Frank: [giggles] Yeah. What are you, retarded? [The President and his staff laugh heartily]
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01-02-2008, 07:58 PM | #37 (permalink) | |
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01-02-2008, 08:04 PM | #38 (permalink) | |
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1) Continue to post in a thread that obviously infuriates you, end every post with "I'm out", and then come back for more and dig yourself a deeper hole by cursing people out, or 2) Go enjoy the plethora of other threads. Remember, in the rules, it says "if you can't say something nice, hit the back button" (paraphrasing). I'd recommend 2, as it's better for your blood pressure (and maybe your keyboard?). |
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01-02-2008, 08:09 PM | #39 (permalink) | |
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