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Xazy · 07-06-2007, 03:14 PM

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Police: Woman forced into sex with son

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 18 minutes ago

Two teenagers were accused of gang raping a woman and forcing her 12-year-old son to join in the attack, then beating him and pouring cleaning solution into his eyes.

Authorities allege Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, were among a group of about 10 masked suspects who forced their way into the woman's apartment in a crime-ridden housing project the night of June 18.

The two were being held without bail Friday on suspicion of armed sexual battery by multiple perpetrators, sexual performance by a child, armed home invasion and aggravated battery. Both were arrested this week, but formal charges had not been filed.

"Any rape case is horrible but this takes it to another level, something you can't think of even in your worst dreams," police spokesman Ted White said.

According to the police report, a man knocked on the woman's door at about 9 p.m. and told her he had a flat tire. The mother and son, whom police have not identified, went outside and were ambushed by a group of gun-wielding suspects.

The victims told police they were forced back into their home and beaten and sexually assaulted. According to authorities, the men raped, sodomized and beat the woman, then forced her son to participate in the assault at gunpoint, making him have sex with his mother in front of them.

The boy was then beaten and had numerous household cleaning liquids poured into his eyes, according to the police report.

The suspects also stole a few hundred dollars worth of cash and jewelry, White said.

White said more arrests were pending, but he would not say if authorities had identified additional suspects. The teens in custody were not cooperating, but Lawson confessed to taking part in the attack, White said. Walker has denied involvement, White said.

DNA evidence in a condom found in the victims' home linked Lawson to the crime, police said. Investigators also say they found a palm print belonging to Walker at the scene.

The victims did not suffer life-threatening injuries and have been released from the hospital, White said.

"They're going through the county victim services for counseling," he said.

Lawson lived in Dunbar Village, the hardscrabble project where the attack occurred. Walker was apparently visiting a friend there, White said.

Authorities believe the suspects all knew each other from the neighborhood, but they don't think they knew the victims directly.

Prosecutors have 21 days from the time a suspect is arrested to formally file charges. Lawson was arrested Tuesday. Walker was arrested Thursday.

A call to Lawson's public defender was not immediately returned. It was not known if Walker has an attorney.

I can not imagine the psychological scarring that this family will have. I just can not think of an appropriate punishment. Since I believe in G-d I just feel that people like this should be killed simply a bullet to the head and then let them go straight to hell for G-d to give the long time suffering that they deserve. There are some crimes where there is no justification no rehab that will ever make these people fit to be among us and no real appropriate punishment outside of death (which is probably to painless from what they truly deserve).

Willravel · 07-06-2007, 03:27 PM

WHAT THE FUCK.

Kpax · 07-06-2007, 03:36 PM

Heinous story. It's weird when criminals break into a place and then dwell, and think of stuff to force people to do. It happened before to a few college students. I mean, usually when someone breaks into a place to steal, they wanna get out as fast as they can, so this is a heinous story, probably of boredom on the part of the ten culprits.

Push-Pull · 07-06-2007, 04:26 PM

Shocking and sad. Especially considering the age of the two who were caught. I can only hope that "the system" sees the severity of the crime as call for trying them as adults. I imagine boys that young would get paid special attention in prison. THAT would be a good start on justice.....

jorgelito · 07-06-2007, 04:51 PM

Sounds like a fetish. Don't judge...

Lady Sage · 07-06-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

WHAT THE FUCK.

This about sums it up for me... What kind of hell is that family going to have to live through now? I hope they can recover enough to live in some kind or normalcy.

Bear Cub · 07-06-2007, 06:39 PM

Methinks the perps will get a VERY similar taste of their own medicine once they're convicted and put in with the general pop.

ironman · 07-06-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito

Sounds like a fetish. Don't judge...

I know it's wrong, but LMAO!

xepherys · 07-06-2007, 10:43 PM

See, this kind of thing is where the "cruel and unusual punishments" should be allowed. This is an extraordinarily cruel and unusual crime. Honestly, no shit... I think they should be beaten daily until they die. I think shit likes this needs a terribly morbid example made of it. Perhaps they should be sodomized and beaten until they die. Slowly. An eye for an eye may make the whole world blind, but justice sometimes is a bitch.

Fire · 07-07-2007, 01:02 AM

this is some sick shit- but we should all learn from it-I am in no way blaming the victims, but fuck, I NEVER go to my door after dark without a weapon handy- and NO ONE should go outside of their dwelling, in the dark, with a person unknown to them- especially when that dwelling is in a "crime ridden housing project"- this was pre-meditated as hell, they went looking for a sucker, found one, and did as they pleased- most of the people of the world are revolted by the thought of something like this, but clearly there are some dangerous, sick fuckers out there- and sadly, the key to safety is caution and awareness........

Nimetic · 07-07-2007, 04:31 PM

Yes yes. Burn them.

Mob vengence... Yay.

In seriousness, this is a nasty crime. However the defendents are entitled to a trial and selection of an appropriate punishment. To my way of thinking, they are almost insane, by definition.

I definitely do not support this idea of killing them and letting god decide. If that was the case, Iraq would be simple. Just nuke it and let god sort it out. Not nice. Particularly bad if god turned out not to exist (or turned out to be a supporter of Muhammed).

Terrell · 07-07-2007, 05:11 PM

I think the perps should be locked up for life with no possibilty of parole.

Fire · 07-07-2007, 09:14 PM

our justice system is fucked up, ineffective and poorly concieved- we do not punish well, we do not rehabilitate well, and as a result we have a constant recycling of people through our system- seriously, ask anyone on the street what our prison system is for, and you have a 50% chance that they will say punishment, the other 50% will say rehabilitation......it does not work, and costs billions...... as to the perps in this case, I say punishment is appropriate- and I do not feel that the state has much right to decide their fate- let the victims decide..........in fact, In all cases, I feel that the agrieved party should be able to pick the punishment from a list of (suitably viscious) approved options.........

blahblah454 · 07-08-2007, 09:55 AM

That is seriously sick, I don't know how people like that can even exist. I think that they should find an island somewhere and just put all these sick fucks on it and they can deal with themselves. Just deport every criminal and sick fucker like that onto the island and be gone with them.

Baraka_Guru · 07-08-2007, 11:48 AM

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[. . .]I do not feel that the state has much right to decide their fate- let the victims decide..........in fact, In all cases, I feel that the agrieved party should be able to pick the punishment from a list of (suitably viscious) approved options.........

You seem to have a perverse sense of "justice." I won't even call this medieval. It is beyond that. I can only describe it as "Punishment by Anarchist Autonomous Mass-Customization." Would these punishments be made public? Perhaps via the Internet even?

There is a reason victims don't decide on the punishment of the convicted. It's called bias. Certainly the American justice system isn't perfect, but you don't want the alternative. To advocate cruel and unusual punishment is heinous in itself. That is why it's called cruel and unusual. Do you truly want to have the system go Old Testament? Please, put away your pitchforks!

blade02 · 07-08-2007, 02:22 PM

Once you decide to violate the rights of others... you in turn lose all of your rights. Pretty straight and simple.

There's no need to try to rehabilitate people that commit crimes like this, and letting them live in prison is a burden on the system. I say do away with them.

Telluride · 07-08-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blade02

There's no need to try to rehabilitate people that commit crimes like this, and letting them live in prison is a burden on the system. I say do away with them.

I second that.

Lasereth · 07-08-2007, 05:58 PM

They'll go to jail for 5 years or so and get out because the victims aren't dead. Meanwhile if you get caught looking at kiddie porn at a corporation you go to jail for 10 years. Or if you're a CEO who signed papers that said your finances were in order when they weren't you go to jail for a minimum of 10 years. These fucks will get out of jail in less than 10 years.

Push-Pull · 07-08-2007, 06:16 PM

Ya know, George Carlin had a bit where all the rapists, murders, and other lowly scum of society got "banished" to a large fenced in area with no guards, and few buildings and accommodations. The fence would be quadruple layer razor wired and electrified, and food and other sustenance would be dropped in via helicopter. The idea being that these scourges of humanity would sort it out themselves.

I know that is not the general way of our justice system, but prison and rehabilitation as we know it today doesn't appear to be working all that well.

Fire · 07-08-2007, 07:41 PM

every system is open to abuse- do you really believe that our current system is unbiased- please- all that I advocate is letting the victim have the right to decide, within parameters, what someone deserves- can you really claim that anyone has more right? let us say that your parents were gunned down in cold blood while being robbed- why is it wrong to let you decide whether the perpetrator should be executed, imprisoned for life or flung to a bunch of lions?
the perpetrator decided to commit the murder, and it would be, I think, harder for victims to order a gruesome death than you may think- it would make justice a more personal thing, and something that everyone would be forced to think on......do you claim that you are for instance a christian? a pacifist? think what that would mean in the system I propose........

ratbastid · 07-08-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blade02

Once you decide to violate the rights of others... you in turn lose all of your rights. Pretty straight and simple.

I don't know what country you're writing from, but that's not how it works in America. Nor should it be.

Our system is deeply imperfect (the imbalance in law enforcement, prosecution, and punishment among the races comes to mind), but it's miles better than most alternatives.

Fire · 07-08-2007, 08:16 PM

has anyone in your family been the victim of a violent crime- if someone you care for is murdered, you may change your mind about how great our system is....

Baraka_Guru · 07-08-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blade02

There's no need to try to rehabilitate people that commit crimes like this, and letting them live in prison is a burden on the system. I say do away with them.

How would you categorize "crimes like this"? And could this include capital punishment for manslaughter, driving while impaired, and emotional abuse?

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Originally Posted by Fire

why is it wrong to let you decide whether the perpetrator should be executed, imprisoned for life or flung to a bunch of lions?
the perpetrator decided to commit the murder, and it would be, I think, harder for victims to order a gruesome death than you may think- it would make justice a more personal thing, and something that everyone would be forced to think on...

This sounds like some form of Communism. I'm not sure if this is the way to go.

Fire · 07-08-2007, 08:31 PM

actually, it is derived from old scandinavian law- I got it out of a few of the norse sagas- and it does have its flaws like anything else, but it makes the concept of justice personal, and that is something that I think is not a bad thing, and would help our society run better......

elaphe · 07-08-2007, 09:56 PM

It's very easy to be asking for blood and retribution when the crime is particularly heinous. I too am shocked and revolted be the act and hope that the family can rebound and live a normal life. Tall hopes.

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How would you categorize "crimes like this"? And could this include capital punishment for manslaughter, driving while impaired, and emotional abuse?

Took the words right out of my mouth.

The problem with meting out "an eye for an eye" type justice to criminals who commit horrific acts is the scaling these punishments for "lesser" crimes.

Do we cut the hand off when someone steals an apple? And what if this person is a habitual shoplifter, has a criminal record as long as your arm but hasn't stole anything worth more than $50.00? Both hands and possibly a foot?

Having the victim decide the punishment would create an unbalanced and broken system. While one victim may met out harsh punishment for a particular crime, another victim may feel different and have a lesser sentence for the same criminal activity.

It is too easy for me to feel that these shitbags should get what they deserve. And trust me, I would not shed a tear if these rapists were anally violated every day in prison. But it's not so easy for me to decide what would happen to a drunk on the street causing a disturbance. I may feel that person should sleep it off in the drunk tank. My neighbour may feel that person should have their teeth knocked out. Which is the right course of action?

ratbastid · 07-09-2007, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire

actually, it is derived from old scandinavian law- I got it out of a few of the norse sagas- and it does have its flaws like anything else, but it makes the concept of justice personal, and that is something that I think is not a bad thing, and would help our society run better......

Yeah. Because what we need in our society is more violence and intolerance.

In my opinion, the law works best when it's decidedly impersonal. Listen: when somebody puts a ding in my car door, I want to kill them. That's not an exaggeration. Fortunately for all of us, we live in a legal system that seriously inhibits my acting on that reaction.

Our society frowns on sailing around in longboats wearing horned helms, raping, looting, and pillaging the local villages. Perhaps in such a society, a system as (well, I'll say it) barbaric as the one you propose would be appropriate.

I don't think our system is great. It's broken in some fairly dramatic ways. But my inability to order the death or maiming of a person who injures me isn't one of them.

LoganSnake · 07-09-2007, 05:41 AM

Let a pitbull or something similar chew on their dicks for a while. Then, shoot them in the kneecaps and let that shit fester while sticking rusted nails under their skin in various places every day until death occurs.

Xazy · 07-09-2007, 06:31 AM

While I agree with the desire to just torture these people, I just feel the damage it would do to the people doing it is not worth it. I feel a basic desire to end their existence in a quick fashion, and prey that G-d will take care of the eye for an eye part.

LoganSnake · 07-09-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Xazy

While I agree with the desire to just torture these people, I just feel the damage it would do to the people doing it is not worth it. I feel a basic desire to end their existence in a quick fashion, and prey that G-d will take care of the eye for an eye part.

Sure, but for those of us who don't believe in god, physical retribution is the way to go! Besides, whoever volunteers for this torture probably doesn't have a problem with doing it. These pricks deserve worse.

jorgelito · 07-09-2007, 05:28 PM

The main problem I have with this is what if they got the wrong guy? That would really suck.

That is why I am against torture and the death penalty. Human error can be fatal.

LoganSnake · 07-09-2007, 05:51 PM

Of course, there have been plenty examples of mistaken identity and completely innocent individuals have died during torture or were executed. However, don't they have concrete evidence against the assailants? DNA evidence and, if I'm not mistaken, one of them has confessed?

Fire · 07-09-2007, 09:41 PM

I am not proposing allowing a maiming for dinging a door- there would have to be a scale of what was acceptable- just as with anything- I invision something where death or torture/etc would only be an option for murder, rape, things like that- The codes I drew from dated from the time of Scandinavia being a primitive democracy, and there were a number of things held over from it to our present legal system- the right to a trial by jury of ones peers, for instance, as well as the idea of the community setting a series of possible punishments- but the core of it was that the injured party had a stake in the punishment of the offender- something that I feel would be valuable to us today, due to the widespread disillusionment with the legal system as it stands..... its hard to ignore something that you are an integral part of- and hard to be disinfranchised from a system like that too.......

20x6 · 07-10-2007, 12:14 AM

Internets have porn of this in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1......

/you know you were all thinking the same thing...

Baraka_Guru · 07-10-2007, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Xazy

[...] and prey that G-d will take care of the eye for an eye part.

Except God doesn't do that eye for an eye thing. Instead, He'd have each of them realize what they had done was evil, they would show their remorse, then they would have a seat next to Him as everyone else does.

And, yeah, let's torture them, since evil begets evil. Of course, the best method for this is to be hanged, drawn, and quartered. And it would be best to let your children watch... it would be a rich moral lesson, especially for the younger ones.

LoganSnake · 07-10-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

And, yeah, let's torture them, since evil begets evil. Of course, the best method for this is to be hanged, drawn, and quartered. And it would be best to let your children watch... it would be a rich moral lesson, especially for the younger ones.

Okay, so what would be a rich moral lesson? Explaining to that kid and his mother that they must forgive their enemies? That violence is bad? These are 14-16 year olds. Cut off their balls so that there's no chance of reproduction, at least.

ratbastid · 07-10-2007, 06:46 AM

Forgiveness is more powerful that retribution. Not everyone can see that, though.

Cynthetiq · 07-10-2007, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Forgiveness is more powerful that retribution. Not everyone can see that, though.

What? Didn't you see Karate Kid II?

LoganSnake · 07-10-2007, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Forgiveness is more powerful that retribution. Not everyone can see that, though.

I'd like to see how forgiving you'd be if you or your loved one were put into that situation.

I may sound cruel, but these little pricks need to be taught a painful lesson.

Cynthetiq · 07-10-2007, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

I'd like to see how forgiving you'd be if you or your loved one were put into that situation.

I may sound cruel, but these little pricks need to be taught a painful lesson.

I think it's obvious based on his car ding example. But again, he defers that it be handled by a third party. I tend to agree.

LoganSnake · 07-10-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

I think it's obvious based on his car ding example. But again, he defers that it be handled by a third party. I tend to agree.

I'm not saying that the mom or the child should be the ones participating in torture, but that a painful action be taken against these pricks by whoever. Even if it's getting gang raped in prison.

07-06-2007, 03:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kpax Crazy Location: Washington	Heinous story. It's weird when criminals break into a place and then dwell, and think of stuff to force people to do. It happened before to a few college students. I mean, usually when someone breaks into a place to steal, they wanna get out as fast as they can, so this is a heinous story, probably of boredom on the part of the ten culprits. Last edited by Kpax; 07-06-2007 at 06:19 PM.. Reason: Grammar; spelling

07-06-2007, 04:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Push-Pull I'll ask when I'm ready.... Location: Firmly in the middle....	Shocking and sad. Especially considering the age of the two who were caught. I can only hope that "the system" sees the severity of the crime as call for trying them as adults. I imagine boys that young would get paid special attention in prison. THAT would be a good start on justice..... __________________ "No laws, no matter how rigidly enforced, can protect a person from their own stupidity." -Me- "Some people are like Slinkies..... They are not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs." -Unknown- DAMMIT! -Jack Bauer-

07-06-2007, 10:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	See, this kind of thing is where the "cruel and unusual punishments" should be allowed. This is an extraordinarily cruel and unusual crime. Honestly, no shit... I think they should be beaten daily until they die. I think shit likes this needs a terribly morbid example made of it. Perhaps they should be sodomized and beaten until they die. Slowly. An eye for an eye may make the whole world blind, but justice sometimes is a bitch. __________________ The prospect of achieving a peace agreement with the extremist group of MILF is almost impossible... -- Emmanuel Pinol, Governor of Cotobato My Homepage

07-07-2007, 01:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	this is some sick shit- but we should all learn from it-I am in no way blaming the victims, but fuck, I NEVER go to my door after dark without a weapon handy- and NO ONE should go outside of their dwelling, in the dark, with a person unknown to them- especially when that dwelling is in a "crime ridden housing project"- this was pre-meditated as hell, they went looking for a sucker, found one, and did as they pleased- most of the people of the world are revolted by the thought of something like this, but clearly there are some dangerous, sick fuckers out there- and sadly, the key to safety is caution and awareness........ __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-07-2007, 09:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	our justice system is fucked up, ineffective and poorly concieved- we do not punish well, we do not rehabilitate well, and as a result we have a constant recycling of people through our system- seriously, ask anyone on the street what our prison system is for, and you have a 50% chance that they will say punishment, the other 50% will say rehabilitation......it does not work, and costs billions...... as to the perps in this case, I say punishment is appropriate- and I do not feel that the state has much right to decide their fate- let the victims decide..........in fact, In all cases, I feel that the agrieved party should be able to pick the punishment from a list of (suitably viscious) approved options......... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-06-2007, 03:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	WHAT THE FUCK.

07-06-2007, 04:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Sounds like a fetish. Don't judge...

07-06-2007, 06:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bear Cub The Reverend Side Boob Location: Nofe Curolina	Methinks the perps will get a VERY similar taste of their own medicine once they're convicted and put in with the general pop.

07-07-2007, 04:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	Yes yes. Burn them. Mob vengence... Yay. In seriousness, this is a nasty crime. However the defendents are entitled to a trial and selection of an appropriate punishment. To my way of thinking, they are almost insane, by definition. I definitely do not support this idea of killing them and letting god decide. If that was the case, Iraq would be simple. Just nuke it and let god sort it out. Not nice. Particularly bad if god turned out not to exist (or turned out to be a supporter of Muhammed).

07-07-2007, 05:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
Terrell Insane Location: Orlando, Florida	I think the perps should be locked up for life with no possibilty of parole.

07-08-2007, 09:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	That is seriously sick, I don't know how people like that can even exist. I think that they should find an island somewhere and just put all these sick fucks on it and they can deal with themselves. Just deport every criminal and sick fucker like that onto the island and be gone with them.

07-08-2007, 02:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
blade02 Insane	Once you decide to violate the rights of others... you in turn lose all of your rights. Pretty straight and simple. There's no need to try to rehabilitate people that commit crimes like this, and letting them live in prison is a burden on the system. I say do away with them.

07-08-2007, 05:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	They'll go to jail for 5 years or so and get out because the victims aren't dead. Meanwhile if you get caught looking at kiddie porn at a corporation you go to jail for 10 years. Or if you're a CEO who signed papers that said your finances were in order when they weren't you go to jail for a minimum of 10 years. These fucks will get out of jail in less than 10 years. __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

07-08-2007, 06:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
Push-Pull I'll ask when I'm ready.... Location: Firmly in the middle....	Ya know, George Carlin had a bit where all the rapists, murders, and other lowly scum of society got "banished" to a large fenced in area with no guards, and few buildings and accommodations. The fence would be quadruple layer razor wired and electrified, and food and other sustenance would be dropped in via helicopter. The idea being that these scourges of humanity would sort it out themselves. I know that is not the general way of our justice system, but prison and rehabilitation as we know it today doesn't appear to be working all that well. __________________ "No laws, no matter how rigidly enforced, can protect a person from their own stupidity." -Me- "Some people are like Slinkies..... They are not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs." -Unknown- DAMMIT! -Jack Bauer-

07-08-2007, 07:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	every system is open to abuse- do you really believe that our current system is unbiased- please- all that I advocate is letting the victim have the right to decide, within parameters, what someone deserves- can you really claim that anyone has more right? let us say that your parents were gunned down in cold blood while being robbed- why is it wrong to let you decide whether the perpetrator should be executed, imprisoned for life or flung to a bunch of lions? the perpetrator decided to commit the murder, and it would be, I think, harder for victims to order a gruesome death than you may think- it would make justice a more personal thing, and something that everyone would be forced to think on......do you claim that you are for instance a christian? a pacifist? think what that would mean in the system I propose........ __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-08-2007, 08:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	has anyone in your family been the victim of a violent crime- if someone you care for is murdered, you may change your mind about how great our system is.... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-08-2007, 08:31 PM	#24 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	actually, it is derived from old scandinavian law- I got it out of a few of the norse sagas- and it does have its flaws like anything else, but it makes the concept of justice personal, and that is something that I think is not a bad thing, and would help our society run better...... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-09-2007, 05:41 AM	#27 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Let a pitbull or something similar chew on their dicks for a while. Then, shoot them in the kneecaps and let that shit fester while sticking rusted nails under their skin in various places every day until death occurs. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

07-09-2007, 06:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
Xazy People in masks cannot be trusted Location: NYC	While I agree with the desire to just torture these people, I just feel the damage it would do to the people doing it is not worth it. I feel a basic desire to end their existence in a quick fashion, and prey that G-d will take care of the eye for an eye part.

07-09-2007, 05:28 PM	#30 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	The main problem I have with this is what if they got the wrong guy? That would really suck. That is why I am against torture and the death penalty. Human error can be fatal.

07-09-2007, 05:51 PM	#31 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Of course, there have been plenty examples of mistaken identity and completely innocent individuals have died during torture or were executed. However, don't they have concrete evidence against the assailants? DNA evidence and, if I'm not mistaken, one of them has confessed? __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

07-09-2007, 09:41 PM	#32 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	I am not proposing allowing a maiming for dinging a door- there would have to be a scale of what was acceptable- just as with anything- I invision something where death or torture/etc would only be an option for murder, rape, things like that- The codes I drew from dated from the time of Scandinavia being a primitive democracy, and there were a number of things held over from it to our present legal system- the right to a trial by jury of ones peers, for instance, as well as the idea of the community setting a series of possible punishments- but the core of it was that the injured party had a stake in the punishment of the offender- something that I feel would be valuable to us today, due to the widespread disillusionment with the legal system as it stands..... its hard to ignore something that you are an integral part of- and hard to be disinfranchised from a system like that too....... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-10-2007, 12:14 AM	#33 (permalink)
20x6 Upright	Internets have porn of this in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...... /you know you were all thinking the same thing...

07-10-2007, 06:46 AM	#36 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Forgiveness is more powerful that retribution. Not everyone can see that, though.