lindalove

This a**hole lived about 15 minutes from my father... They got the Amber alert on this girl last Wednesday. The police were led astray by the testimony of a group of 10 year olds while the killer was hacking this girl up in the same apartment complex she went missing in.

I hope the girl was dead long before anything started really awful. They said she was hit three times by a wooden cutting board. I pray that's what killed her.

TMI ALERT: In local news, the body was found in pieces, with the head mostly decapitated, raped, bludgeoned, etc. He told cops, "go search the place, I chopped her up, she's in there" He also said that he watched Spongebob with her before telling her he was going to kill her. She said she was sorry and told him she wouldn't tell anyone if he let her go. The 'motive' from the CNN article is pretty close to what had actually transpired.

I wish they'd let her dad have about 24 hours alone with this vile bastard. He's now on the edge of insanity, heavily sedated as his daughter was his whole life.

optik_nerve

Holy fucking shit. This is the most disturbing thing I've ever read in current news. It's appalling that somebody would even think about doing this to a little girl or anybody for that matter.

I would put out my opinion on what should be the punishment, but no punishment on earth is equal to the actions that have been executed in this crime.

maleficent

Florida still uses the electric chair for the death penalty don't they? Nothing peaceful like lethal injection... If this guy is sane enough to stand trial, and is found guilty... the chair is really too good for him...

I really find it distasteful though, that so much detail was given to the media and printed. It's going to be tough for this guy to get a fair trial now...

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Don't think of it as human. Anything that could do that has disassociated itself far from humanity.

djtestudo

I was discussing a different topic with my sister and brought up that stoning should be brought back as a method of execution.

This just strengthens my stand.

At least him confessing should make it a little quicker to the guerney then otherwise, hopefully.

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Willravel

This man obviously suffers from a very rare kind of disorder: anthropophagal paraphilia. This man is not well, and obviosuly should be under the supervision of psychologists for the rest of his life. To execute the insane (using the term 'insane' loosely) is obviously wrong, and to imprison someone this disturbed would be VERY dangerous to other prisoners. This man is the reason there are asylums for the criminally insane.

Leaving the man aside for the moment, I can't imagine the pain of discovering a friend or loved one had been a victim of such a cruel and unnatural death. I occasionally worry that someone I know will be involved in a car accedent or maybe have cancer, but to be suffocated, raped, and then plans were made to ingest her? It's disgusting and unsettling in a way that I've n ever even considered in my worst nightmares. My thoughts and prayers are with the family and other loved ones of that poor girl. I can't begin to imagine their sorrow and shock.

Randerolf

Point of Information: Ole Sparky was done away with in the late 90's. Lethal injection is now the method of choice.

analog

The article indicates she was suffocated after being beaten with the cutting board, and that's what killed her:

Cause of death is very important, scientifically. They can tell what killed someone, and in this case it appears to have been the suffocation.

I find it odd that the newspaper sensationalized it as much as they did, making a point of saying the body was naked when found cut up. Of course it was naked- how would a pair of shorts or a shirt stay on the body when the limbs are removed? That was just a ploy at the heart, and totally unnecessary.

willravel: I agree with you to a point, but this disorder is not something from which one can be rehabilitated. If he'd spend the rest of his life in an asylum, I say forget the tax dollars it would take and end his life now. Hospitals for the mentally ill like this guy would go to, are tremendously expensive to operate. I don't see the point in keeping around such a dangerous individual.

Willravel

I agree with you about the sensationalizing, but it's the way news operates now.

I'm sure most people know I am completly agains the death penalty, but this case didn't even make me think of that. You can't give the death penalty to children, mentally disabled or disturbed, or the terminally ill. We're better than that. This man is not simply a bad man, he is a sick man who functions in a different way than you or I. Because of that, he should not be treated like you or I.

I should also say that there is no disorder with a 100% failure rate of treatment. To state as fact that this man cannot be rehabilitated beyond a reasonable doubt is incorrect. Even if there were a 1/100,000 chance of rehabilitating this man, we should try. Even if he couldn't be healed, it's possible that in studying his disorders doctors could diagnose peopel with similar disorders with a greater efficency (which could save the next victim). I'd hate to miss the chance to save a life from torture simply out of a vendetta. Does he deserve to be punished? Almost certianally. Was what he did absolutely sickening? Absolutely. Would there be a reasonable risk of it happening again if he were in an institution for the criminally insane? No.

Halx

Now that's news!

I'm not interested in celebrities cheating on eachother.
I'm not interested in politicians testifying in perjury cases.
I'm not interested in NASCAR.

But this... this is news worthy.

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feelgood

I wonder what constitute as "just wasn't acting right". Other than that, I agree its one fucked up crime.

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A society that can afford a space programme and foreign wars can afford to lock the dangerously insane away.

I personally feel that if it's wrong for a person to kill a person, it should be considered MORE wrong for the state (acting in dispassionate timely ways) to kill a person.

The problem with saying that we should execute the dangerously insane is that there will always be borderline cases. This case seems clear-cut, but how far do you take it? If we start by killing this man, how long is it before people are being killed because a little girl went missing, and they were the local "oddball". It happened in the past, after all.

Also, if we decide to kill the criminally insane, some prosecutors will be trying to argue that defendants are insane and incurable in order to get the death penalty for crimes that might not otherwise "deserve" it.

Tough call.

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raeanna74

There are times when it would be nice to be able to have lynch mobs. THIS man, is clearly guilty of premeditated crime. Anyone who commits a premeditated murder has some mental issues so insanity should not be a protection against the death penalty.

This reinforces in my mind that I'm not being overly protective by not allowing my daughter to go to anyone elses house (even to other kids houses on my block) unless I know the parents and know that the parents are home.

My daughter is very friendly to strangers and that bothers me because she's not wary enough to protect herself should she need to. Though I have seen her use her fists before so perhaps instinct would kick in and she would fight back. This story is scary for anyone and especially a parent to hear. For that father's sake I hope the trial is swift and deadly as a long drawn out trial that ends in no retribution will be pure torture for that poor man.

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I'm curious how one can be certain this guy is suffering from a mental illness and not just be a mean bastard that enjoys killing and cutting up a little girl. What is the determining factor in whether a murderer is mentally ill or just a cold blooded and ruthless killer?

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stevo

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This guy will get it one way or another. If he doesn't get a death sentance he'll most likely be beaten to death in jail. If by some fluke he does get namby-pambied by the justice system and sentanced to an insane asylum someone will assasinate him. Fuck compassion and remove this shit from the face of the earth. He has lost the right to being human. If he wants to act like an animal thats how he will be treated.

ps. this happened in OK, not FL. Oklahoma uses lethal injection, but authorizes electricution if lethal injection is found unconstitutional and firing squad if both lethal injection and electrocution are found unconstitutional. I vote for a few big guys wearing boots and a lead pipe.

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hulk

Their lawyer. Insane is a legal term, not a medical one.

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Sultana

I'm still in a bit of shock over this whole thing, but I would like to note, dispassionately and unemotionally, that I do not understand why it is even remotely a point to preserve the life of someone (anyone, really) who has so little regard for life themself.

This is an unusual case, he is clearly guilty. I cannot fathom any reason why the state should shell out the bucks to lock away and protect this person, and even pretend to try to rehabilitate them. He is a predator and needs to be dealt with accordingly.

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Willravel

You really think he did this just because he's a "mean bastard"? And what makes you think that a cold blooded killer isn't a sociopath or psychopath? Do you have a PCL-R or DSM?

Jimellow

I avoided taking a stance on this issue intentionally and instead asked a fair question. As for PCL-R or DSM; I have no idea what either are, which would tie into me asking my original question in the first place.

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ClostGoth

My gut reaction as a parent is that he should be put down like a rabid dog. The story upset me pretty badly - why so much detail leaked to the press before the trial? I usually do not advocate for the death penalty, but am probably too upset to form an un-emotional opinion on this one. The most important point (IMHO) being that at least they caught the guy before he picked up someone else AND that he never be allowed the opportunity to do it again.

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Jinn

Holy crap -- I think the creepiest part was the chief's response:

“Regarding a potential motive, this appears to have been part of a plan to kidnap a person, rape them, torture them, kill them, cut off their head, drain the body of blood, rape the corpse, eat the corpse, then dispose of the organs and bones,” the police chief said.

That's pretty brutal for a description to a news reporter, especially considering how speculative it is. Nonetheless, holy hell..

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ClostGoth

Isn't the PCL-R a type of check-list they have for suspected sociopaths and/or psychopaths? It's kind of like the checklist they give us for new foster placements - you rate the child's behavior on a scale for each of about 70 questions and they determine if there's reason for diagnosis and further testing. I don't know if that's actually how they diagnose a psychosis or not. (Which I assume is what the DSM is for - I can't recall what the acronym stands for but I know it's a reference guide about mental illnesses.) Either way, does it really matter? Yes, something in the guy's head has to be off chemically for him to have experienced the desire to act the way he did in the first place. Apparently he'd been obsessing about it for some time. Freud would have a field day. But I think legally they have to prove he was incapable of knowing right from wrong. If they decide he lost his ability to know that what he was doing was wrong (which seems obvious to me that he did NOT because he went to lengths to hide his crime) then he's legally insane. I'm no expert, but that's my understanding. I'd welcome correction if I'm wrong, though.

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Willravel

Misunderstood, apologies.

PCL-R = Hare Psychopathy Tests
DSM = Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mendal Disorders

My thought is that anyone who engages in anthropophagal paraphilia (sexually motivated cannibalism) is probalby pretty messed up. I would have to speak to him to be sure, but I'd bet the farm he's basically nuts.

Bill O'Rights

You'd have to talk to him? To be sure? I'll go out on a limb here and say that there is not a shadow of a doubt that he's nuts. No remotely sane person does what he did. No one.
The question remains...should he be deprived of the balance of his life? In this case...I'd probably lean toward a yes vote. The only reason, and I do mean the only reason to keep providing him with nourishment is, as you've already pointed out...research. I only hope there is a lot of painful hole poking, of one fashion or another, in whatever studies are conducted upon him.

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That....

Or we could just kill him. Who cares if someone is 'insane' or not. You can argue that most violent people have some disorder making them violent. I don't care, flush them, lest they hurt anyone else.

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Willravel

So even in a locked room, in a white jacket, with no exposure to anyone or anything, this man is dangerous enough for us to kill him? Sounds like a vendetta to me.

His vicious visitation shows he is violently vicious. My suggestion to vanquish him allows for no valorous vacancy of the asylum. There he will stay vanquished without the possibility of vindication.

In all seriousness, how can anyone consider executing the criminally insane? The opportunity alone of using him to treat future cases has got to be worth sparing his life. I dispise what he did. It was an abomination and truely the definition of evil, but killing him would be wrong.

smooth

I wasn't watching the headline news lately and now my friends probably think I'm crazy. We were talking about sushi, my pet eels, and my tendency to eat eels when I go out for sushi. And then my wife started teasing me about eating my pets, to which I responded that yeah, I'd eat my pets, but that my eels were too expensive. And she said that'd be like eating our kids. To which I replied that I would eat our kid if one ever died. Get my money's worth kinda joke. My friend laughed and actually started to think about my point that after investing 10Ks of money, might as well do something...

hmm, I didn't realize how close my words were to this story, yeesh!

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itch vaccine

Are you saying that because he's different, we should give him *different* punishments?

You don't think he's dangerous enough for us to kill him?

Isn't causing harm in such a way danger enough for any of us, and he.. was extremely wicked in thought with what he planned to do (or did) to that girl.

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lindalove

At least he didn't get a chance to do everything he was planning on doing--she might not have ever been found in that case.

And of course, this sicko has a blog:

http://futureworldruler.blogspot.com/

And a Wish List at Amazon, which has, amongst other things, a book about cannibalism.

He had a MySpace, too, but when I checked yesterday, it was "undergoing maintenance."

This page has links to his cached myspace, yahoo page, blog, etc...

itch vaccine

What? He seems to live a perfectly normal life.

It totally baffles me. He is sick. But somehow, I feel that he should not be exempt from death penalty just because he is different in sanity.

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raeanna74

I don't see the death penalty's goal as being one of protecting society from people who are this dangerous. I see it as a PENALTY. A Punishment. He inflicted a cruel death on another innocent human being. Then proceeded to desecrate her body. His intention was to hide what he did and thus never give her loved ones closure. He deserves a death as miserable as he inflicted but the least we can do is to end his life. He serves no beneficial purpose in maintaining his life. He will drain money from the system that could be used to rehabilitate USEFUL members of society. He will drain rescources that could be used to help others who are truely needy. He will still have some contact with Dr's and personel who care for him and keep him confined. This ongoing human contact poses a small danger even still that he could/would harm another person if he get the chance. His actions result in nullifying any rightful claim that he ever held on life. The fact that he hid his actions simply shows that he KNEW there would be repercusions for what he'd done.

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aKula

I think any money spent on keeping him locked up is worth it not to have to execute someone. Again it's not a question of danger, if you lock him up for life he won't really have much of a chance of doing something like this again. I think it boils down to what raenna was saying. Either you execute someone as punishment (and maybe to save some money) or you are opposed to such measures and believe someone who committed such a crime should be locked up.
Also I agree with BOR that someone who did such a thing must be insane. But that's not the reason I don't think he should be executed. I am opposed to the death penalty no matter what the crime is. Revenge for society's sake seems rather superfluous to me. I can see why the victim's family would call for the death penalty but I don't think it should be used.

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aKula : Do you really think someone who has comitted such a wicked act is worth to be kept around, being monitored in an asylum? And what do we plan to achieve with monitoring him?

Even if he does have a chance to recover for the better,
Would you have it in yourself to let him free?

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stevo

Where's Jack Ruby when you need him?

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Willravel

Would you sentence a kid with down syndrome or mental retardation to death? How about a minor?
Already answered this one:
He couldn't possibly constitute a future threat to society unless the law assumes prison breaks. If he can't get out, he's obviously not going to kill again. So assuming that, why sentence him to death? Simple. He's bad and needs to die. Remember when I said "vendetta"? Blood for blood. Sounds like vengence to me, and this man is in the hands of the justice system now, not the vengence system.
What do we plan to acheive? I don't mean to sound condecending, but have you ever worked in an asylum? Do you hold a degree in psychology, psychotherapy, or psychiatry? Do you have any experience in dealing with mental illness such as this man has?
Again, this reasoning screams vengence. So even if, after years of intense therepy, this man regains his sanity, we shouldn't even consider letting him free?

stevo

Underwood does not have down syndrome, nor is he retarded, nor is he a minor.


And it is a death penalty. like raeanna said, its a penalty for a reason. Thats the law in OK. The penalty for capital murder is death.

No. I can't even believe people are even considering not killing him.

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Willravel

Underwood is insane. How is killing someone who is insane any different than killing someone who is mentally disabled? Bear in mind that the Supreme Court ruled that it is a violation of the ban on cruel unusual punishment to execute death row inmates who have mental retardation.
Actually, it's first-degree murder in conjunction with a finding of at least 1 of 8 statutorily defined aggravating circumstances.
Why?

Ustwo

Same planet, different worlds.

In my world, you kill someones child, cut up that child, and try to eat them, you die. You don't get therapy, I don't care what your motivation was, I don't care if some PhD student wants to make you her rehabilitation case for her disertation, your life is over. No second chance.

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I'll just direct you back to Ustwo's post. Up there ^

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