Feinstein to attach AWB renewal to "Class Action Fairness Act of 2004" - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

MSD · 06-30-2004, 10:15 PM

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Posted in various firearms related forums.

#From an MMM Action Alert....

ATTENTION ALL MOMS AND SUPPORTERS:
We are down to the wire now on the AWB. Only 23 more "working days" that
Congress will be in session before the Assault Weapons Ban expires on September
13.

The Feinstein/Warner bill to renew the ban is planned to be introduced in the
Senate as early as this coming week. (S.2109, the Assault Weapons Ban
Reauthorization Act of 2004) They plan to attach it to a class action bill that
the Republicans really want. We had a conference call with Senator Feinstein
last week and as she said, a renewal is all we can hope for, no chance to
strengthen the bill.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW:

1) Call Senator John Warner and THANK him for sponsoring this bill.

2) Call Senator George Allen and ask him to please return to his initial
positive position on the AWB issue and support this bill.

3) Call Senator John Kerry, thank him for supporting the AWB and ask him to
please arrange his campaign schedule so that he can return to Washington to vote
for the bill. He did this once before and we desperately need his vote. We can't
afford to lose 1 vote!

YOU CAN USE THE CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD FOR ALL THESE CALLS. THEY WILL CONNECT YOU
TO THE OFFICES. YOU WILL SPEAK TO AN AIDE AND YOUR OPINION WILL BE RECORDED AND
REPORTED TO THE SENATORS. (202-224-3121)

THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM US. They are being bombarded with negative calls from the
NRA who threaten to defeat their re-elections if they vote for the ban. THE
SENATORS NEED TO KNOW THAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS WANT THEM TO VOTE TO RENEW THE
BAN! The NRA has convinced them that their group speaks for the majority of
Americans. They do not! This issue isn't even controversial, expect to the NRA.
The vast majority of Americans support the ban.

And, please, tell everyone you know about this - especially people in other
states. Ask them to call their Senators with the same message. I will forward a
MMM email to you that will list how all the Senators voted on the AWB when it
was attached to the Immunity bill in March so they will know how their Senators
voted.

We will be doing more of this and other things in the next few weeks. We will
keep you up to date on the AWB in the House of Representatives as soon as we
have news.

Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do this. We can not lose.
We must not fail.

************************************

Some background info on S. 2062 ("Class Action Fairness Act of 2004")

http://www.nldhlaw.com/CM/Articles/Articles182.asp

This bill is a priority for Republicans and President Bush.
It is currently on the Senate calendar.
This bill is very desirable by large corporations.
Senate Democrats have vowed to load it down with "poison pill" amendments in
order to stop it. However, if Feinstein can convince fellow Dems to hold off on
their amendments and only allow her AWB to be attached, it's conceivable
the entire bill would pass.

Additionally, on June 24th, the House of Representatives passed HR 218 ("Law
Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2003"). The companion bill in the Senate is
S. 253.
This is the bill that would allow active duty and retired police officers to
carry concealed firearms outside their state of residency. This bill has huge
bi-partisan support: it has 297 co-sponsors in the House and 71 in the Senate.
The Fraternal Order of Police has made this a top priority.

http://www.grandlodgefop.org/press/pr040623a.html

There exists the strong possibility that Feinstein could also use this bill
(S.253), to attach any AWB amendment.

Several people have called the Senators office and an aide has confirmed that
Feinstein does indeed plan on re-introducing her AWB legislation as a part of
another bill. At that time no other information was divulged as to when and
exactly which bill would be the vehicle.

The AWB is due to sunset in 79 days. However, here are only 20 legislative days
left for Congress to vote on it. After today, Congress will take a brief recess
and reconvene on July 6th. It should be expected that either of the two bills
mentioned will be brought up for debate between then and July 26th when Congress
takes a six week Summer recess.

There is no question that Feinstein has every intention of seeing the AWB
renewed. It's going to come down to her best opportunity. When that opportunity
arises, gunowners are going to have little to no warning in order to respond to
our representatives. That's why it's imperative that we start looking to take
action now.

Many pro RKBA people keep saying not to worry about the AWB being passed as
stand alone legislation or as an amendment to another bill as it will be
defeated or stripped out in the House. That very well may be true, howver the
first counter-attack should be that any legislation with AWB language never
reachs the House to begin with.

Contact your representatives and get their commitment to vote against any AWB
legislation. Ask if they're aware of the possibility of an AWB being attached to
either S.2062 or S.253.

There's only 79 days left to regain part of our 2nd Amendment rights. It would
be an injustice to lose now when we're so close.

Contact information for your Senator.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

Senate switchboard number is (202-224-3121)

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What can I say? Start writing to your representatives and make sure this crap doesn't get attached and passed.

Menoman · 07-01-2004, 12:30 AM

"""""" THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW:

1) Call Senator John Warner and THANK him for sponsoring this bill.

2) Call Senator George Allen and ask him to please return to his initial
positive position on the AWB issue and support this bill.

3) Call Senator John Kerry, thank him for supporting the AWB and ask him to
please arrange his campaign schedule so that he can return to Washington to vote
for the bill. He did this once before and we desperately need his vote. We can't
afford to lose 1 vote!"""

He is absolutely positively correct. Except for the fact that the vote needs to be against this crap

Asuka{eve} · 07-01-2004, 01:07 AM

Brainwahed ----> those weird people.

Fire · 07-01-2004, 01:42 AM

talked to some gun dealers recently- none of them believed that the AWB would expire- seems that now there are elected officials diligently trying to run my life and protect me from myself- of course- please keep us posted on how this developes

cosmoknight · 07-01-2004, 10:12 AM

Even after all the facts she and many of Dems just can't admit the bill was wronfg in the first place and did little if any good.

Asuka{eve} · 07-01-2004, 02:28 PM

Why do people support this law when in reality it will not do any good?

kel · 07-01-2004, 06:45 PM

Maybe because it makes them feel better?
It looks good to the public, there's no doubt about that. By public I mean the unwashed uneducated near illiterate voting masses.

Asuka{eve} · 07-01-2004, 07:00 PM

I just cant get over how they are so ga-ga over this PLACEBO!!!!

MooseMan3000 · 07-01-2004, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by kel
Maybe because it makes them feel better?
It looks good to the public, there's no doubt about that. By public I mean the unwashed uneducated near illiterate voting masses.

You mean the 30% of the country that votes. Good work, Americans.

And I agree that it is useless, but that's not what the senators are hearing.

Also: maybe I got mixed up, but I thought that non-germane riders weren't allowed in the senate? Anyone know?

wonderwench · 07-01-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Asuka{eve}
I just cant get over how they are so ga-ga over this PLACEBO!!!!

It plays well in CA, where the memories of the 101 California shooting are kept fresh by the media.

cosmoknight · 07-02-2004, 07:09 AM

Not sure how factual it was but this law and more importantly the clip ban have actually hurt our military. With the assualt guns being banned most of our future military rifles will come from other countries like the new X8 which is based on designs from HK(Heckler & Koch XM29). US companies which relied on adapting tech to civilian use simply are seeking other areas like Colt. The clip ban has seen the gun industry stop making clips in general. The ones being procured by are military are crap for the Berretas. The springs are junk and they can barely hold 10 rounds without jamming when they should hold 17. Troops over in Iraq/Afganistan are asking parents to find preban clips and send them. A deplorable state of affairs caused by this bill.

Lebell · 07-02-2004, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by cosmoknight
Not sure how factual it was but this law and more importantly the clip ban have actually hurt our military. With the assualt guns being banned most of our future military rifles will come from other countries like the new X8 which is based on designs from HK(Heckler & Koch XM29). US companies which relied on adapting tech to civilian use simply are seeking other areas like Colt. The clip ban has seen the gun industry stop making clips in general. The ones being procured by are military are crap for the Berretas. The springs are junk and they can barely hold 10 rounds without jamming when they should hold 17. Troops over in Iraq/Afganistan are asking parents to find preban clips and send them. A deplorable state of affairs caused by this bill.

Magazines, not "clips".

TY

wonderwench · 07-02-2004, 07:47 AM

What is so silly about this whole AWB nonsense is that being shot at close range with a shotgun is probably more damaging than being hit by any of those nasty evil-looking high tech weapons.

hrdwareguy · 07-02-2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
Magazines, not "clips".

TY

Just to clarify what Lebell said, clips load magazines, then the magazine goes into the gun.

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Originally posted by wonderwenchWhat is so silly about this whole AWB nonsense is that being shot at close range with a shotgun is probably more damaging than being hit by any of those nasty evil-looking high tech weapons.

Technically yes. For a singel shot I will agree with you. However the leap the gun grabbers are making and betting on is that people relate guns to what the see in the movies and on tv. Therefore an assault weapon must be full auto cause they are on tv.

Also, you can get more rounds out of most semi-autos than out of a shotgun. Therefore, the statement "you can shoot more bullets from a semi-auto" is correct, however the leathalness is what comes into question. Most people don't think about this.

We won't get into the fact that doing things like modifying hollow points to contain mercury can be far, far more lethel than getting shot by a shotgun or semi-auto.

cosmoknight · 07-02-2004, 09:23 AM

Sorry to use to my Stripper clip from M1 everything else I own has seperate mag/clip

cosmoknight · 07-02-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by wonderwench
What is so silly about this whole AWB nonsense is that being shot at close range with a shotgun is probably more damaging than being hit by any of those nasty evil-looking high tech weapons.

One has to only see what a 12 guage slug can do to make this statement true.

lefty8080 · 07-04-2004, 01:09 PM

remember the supporters of this bill have no contact with reality at all. These are the same fools who still believe you can control criminals by passing laws. By defination criminals don't care about laws. They are the same types who thought if we asked Saddam to play nice he would and we could all sit around the campfire and sing Koom BY-ah. When we can't stop drugs from being imported by the ton what makes these guys think they can stop assault weapons from ohter countries from being imported. They also don't want to wake up and see what arms bans in England and Austrailia have done to their violent crime, both countries violent crime rate went through the roof. CRIMINALS DON'T LIKE ARMED VICTIMS.

Moonduck · 07-07-2004, 04:12 AM

It embarrasses me to say that I voted for John Warner. After this, and his shameful argument with Sen Byrd over Warner's advocacy of the Senate abrogating the powers of War to the President, I doubt I'll be voting for Sen Warner again.

Fire · 07-20-2004, 02:19 AM

so whats going on with it now- any "good " congresscritters jumping on this to stop it, updates from any with em would be great

07-01-2004, 01:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	talked to some gun dealers recently- none of them believed that the AWB would expire- seems that now there are elected officials diligently trying to run my life and protect me from myself- of course- please keep us posted on how this developes __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-01-2004, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	Maybe because it makes them feel better? It looks good to the public, there's no doubt about that. By public I mean the unwashed uneducated near illiterate voting masses. __________________ "It better be funny"

07-20-2004, 02:19 AM	#19 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	so whats going on with it now- any "good " congresscritters jumping on this to stop it, updates from any with em would be great __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-01-2004, 01:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Asuka{eve} Addict Location: Oh God, the rain!	Brainwahed ----> those weird people.

07-01-2004, 10:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
cosmoknight Tilted	Even after all the facts she and many of Dems just can't admit the bill was wronfg in the first place and did little if any good.

07-01-2004, 02:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Asuka{eve} Addict Location: Oh God, the rain!	Why do people support this law when in reality it will not do any good?

07-01-2004, 07:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Asuka{eve} Addict Location: Oh God, the rain!	I just cant get over how they are so ga-ga over this PLACEBO!!!!

07-02-2004, 07:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
cosmoknight Tilted	Not sure how factual it was but this law and more importantly the clip ban have actually hurt our military. With the assualt guns being banned most of our future military rifles will come from other countries like the new X8 which is based on designs from HK(Heckler & Koch XM29). US companies which relied on adapting tech to civilian use simply are seeking other areas like Colt. The clip ban has seen the gun industry stop making clips in general. The ones being procured by are military are crap for the Berretas. The springs are junk and they can barely hold 10 rounds without jamming when they should hold 17. Troops over in Iraq/Afganistan are asking parents to find preban clips and send them. A deplorable state of affairs caused by this bill.

07-02-2004, 07:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
wonderwench Banned	What is so silly about this whole AWB nonsense is that being shot at close range with a shotgun is probably more damaging than being hit by any of those nasty evil-looking high tech weapons.

07-02-2004, 09:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
cosmoknight Tilted	Sorry to use to my Stripper clip from M1 everything else I own has seperate mag/clip

07-04-2004, 01:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
lefty8080 Upright	remember the supporters of this bill have no contact with reality at all. These are the same fools who still believe you can control criminals by passing laws. By defination criminals don't care about laws. They are the same types who thought if we asked Saddam to play nice he would and we could all sit around the campfire and sing Koom BY-ah. When we can't stop drugs from being imported by the ton what makes these guys think they can stop assault weapons from ohter countries from being imported. They also don't want to wake up and see what arms bans in England and Austrailia have done to their violent crime, both countries violent crime rate went through the roof. CRIMINALS DON'T LIKE ARMED VICTIMS.

07-07-2004, 04:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	It embarrasses me to say that I voted for John Warner. After this, and his shameful argument with Sen Byrd over Warner's advocacy of the Senate abrogating the powers of War to the President, I doubt I'll be voting for Sen Warner again.