G5_Todd

http://www.btinternet.com/~scuzi/224...ter_Kills.mpeg


enjoy!

kel

Who wouldn't want one ;-)

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papermachesatan

Fucking bad ass. I so want to be an Apache gunner..

Blistex

Wow USA #1 !!!! The united states army can kill dangerous people in broken down trucks from a mile away! Notice how the US only attacks people who are at least 30 years behind it technology wise?

I'm sure it was pretty funny for that last guy in the video who was drafted into the army, and watched his friend explode into a million pieces infront if him, then to catch a few rounds in his legs and try and crawl away only to be gunned down again!

Funny when the US's enemies kill a wounded US serviceman they're war criminals!

What next guys? A video of an Abrams running over a family's Lada in Bosnia? The USS Missouri shelling a retirement home off the coast of North Korea?

Stare At The Sun

Bleh, I'd rather see the helecopter blow up unoccupied cars and actual "soft targets" like a pillow, or something, rather than real human beings. Maybe im just a pun-tang, but death is never cool...

debaser

1. That is not an Apache firing.

2. Blistex, perhaps you should rant at the administration rather than the armed forces. The only reason we fight people 30 years behind is because almost everyone is 30 years behind us. Also, killing a wounded soldier is not a war crime.

3. It is a pity that people are so ghoulish as to enjoy this sort of thing. I find videos like this very distastful, and I do this for a living.

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kel

How can you tell what is firing?
I am just curious.
The HUD symbology matches what I thought you see from the MFD or heads down display of an Apache. TADS using FLIR (It didn't seem like they used laser range finding because it wasn't stated in the bottom right, yet they talked about using it on the intercom)
And the map of where the camera/cannon is point in the bottom center matches the range of motion that an apache's main cannon has.

Is it the same weapons system in a different helicopter?

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G5_Todd

yes it is an apache.....



for more info....


there much more to the tape then the 2 mins you see here....


LINK TO FULL STORY!

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G5_Todd

[warning - graphic]http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5365.htm[/warning - graphic]

if some of you didn't like that last video your sure to not like this one....


but you need to remember that these people are fighting after they supposably surrendered...they hide in civilian populations....dress as civilians....after the first few weeks and casualities are guys have smartened up...

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debaser

If it is an Apache it is a different software pack than we have on ours (older maybe), the HUD graphics are different, and the targeting is pretty jerky. I asumed it was a Cobra. The one time I was privleged enough to be in an Apache, the targeting system made quite an impression on me. This video did not.

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kel

Your a lucky man debaser, I never had that privilege. I am only a simulated flight jockey. Janes Longbow 2 didn't skimp on realism and the MFD/Headsdown display for FLIR looked exactly like that. Except when the laser designator was in use there was a **lase tgt** indicator on the bottom right, right above the range to target.

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Moonduck

About 15 years ago, I got to play around with the huge Apache flight sim the Army had in Fliegerhorst Kaserne in Germany (West Germany then). Thing was amazing. They had this wall that was about 50' x 80' at least that was a miniature landscape complete with trees, houses, troops, tanks, etc. The simulator was a full-sized, full-featured Apache cockpit on large hydraulics and it would respond properly to the input from controls, and there was a miniature video array that would "fly" around the model wall and you would get multi-angle video of the model. It was surprsingly realistic, and, very realistically, I crashed constantly. The Apache is one of the single mos timpressive vehicles in the air today.

That said, I can appreciate this video for the tech factor. I'm a weapons geek and a fan of military history and technology. When I see something like this, I dissassociate myself with the targets and pay attention to the tech. I am not concerned about the targets as I trust that the pilots were picking said targets with good intel and following proper RoE.

The second video I found truly ghoulish and frightening, though I am fairly sure that it was spun to make the scenario look worse (even though I think it was fairly bad even trying to think around the spin). I have no issues with Marines killing enemy combatants. It is what we train them to do. It does kind of concern me when it is done with so much joyful glee. The comments afterward were probably the most unsettling, though I am sure they were chopped and taken out of context as is normal for the media.

SuperMidget

Just my uninformed opinion, but I think the reason the FLIR images are different from the HUD in the cockpit is because the video is taken from the camera. I don't think it has been sent through the computers to add all the data (range and such). But then again my opinion is uninformed.

The second video I am going to give the soldiers the benefit of the doubt. I honestly think the way CNN represented that was horrid and completely contrived. Face it, it wouldn't be the first time CNN has blatantly lied about a story.

tritium

2 things. Ya'll should read the abcnews.com story about the apache story, it'll clear things up for you. These guys were transferring weapons on the side of the road, so don't think for even 1 second that they were civilians. The fellow that is gunned down next to the tractor is retrieving a weapon he had *just* stashed there moments ago and had every intention of using it against his unseen assailant. The story calls it a tube-like weapon and that says one thing to me -- SAM.

With respect to the second video, we had another thread about it that came to 3 conclusions that stated several things. First, the wounded Iraqi was reaching for his weapon and therefore was still classified as a combatant. Second, you can't see *who* shot him, there were Iraqi's present. Third, the soldier's rifle has its safety on when we look at him immediately after the gunfire. There's no telling what the original reel of tape looked and sounded like -- this sucker is *edited*. Don't automatically trust what the video shows you.

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charlesesl

Wow, that s either the truth, or some really well thought out excuse. I trust this video more that what the US gov. has to say.

Remember the time when a US plane killed everyone in a Afgan wedding cerimony? I suppose all you CNN watchers never heard of this. I am just wondering what explantion the pantagon gave about that. "Eh, we discovered a band of gorrala forces performing an unknow ritual, possibly related to the construction of weapons of massive destruction. So we toke neccessary precautions."

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Blistex

I really hate the fact that the US and Britian went into a country and started dropping bombs on a city without that country having anything to do with 9/11 or world peace.

I'm sure everyone would get really pissed if Russian and Japan started dropping bombs on Washington to remove Bush from power and set up a new government free of his opression.

The Iraqi people need to free themselves, just like the US did during the revolution.

apechild

A word of advice to Afghan revelers: do not fire automatic weapons in the air during wartime while patrols are flying overhead. Your jubilation might just be misinterpreted as hostile action when the hail of bullets from a dozen blazing Kalashnikovs approaches the guys with the big guns.

As for you, Blistex, there is no shortage of discussions in the politics forum concerning the topic you are trying to address here. Let's stick to the topic before a moderator has to remind us of the proper etiquette in this forum.

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G5_Todd

are you kidding me...you think IRAQ has zero links to what happened on 9/11

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I'm sure everyone would get really pissed if Russian and Japan started dropping bombs on Washington to remove Bush from power and set up a new government free of his opression.

thats a totally unrealistic example; what opression would removing Bush from power free up....the United States removed a murderous dictator from power and is currently helping set up a free country with a democratic style of government...

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The Iraqi people need to free themselves, just like the US did during the revolution.

how would have the IRAQI people freed themselves without our help.....they would throw rocks are tanks and charge on camels.....if they rebeled everyone woulda been slaughtered just like the kurds were after the first Gulf Conflict...hell even the 13 lil colonies that took on England had the help of foreign countries IE: FRANCE......and as i am sure you are aware of our war for indepence was over 200 years ago when a soldiers musket was not to different from a farmer musket....and a horse was a horse....

now it would be a old toyata pickup truck vs an T60 or a BMP...

John Falcon

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