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Old 08-14-2007, 07:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Barry Bonds cheating... but it isn't the drugs.

A friend of mine just linked to this fascinating article. I don't know how accurate it is, but...

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Barry Bonds' HR Record Tainted by Elbow 'Armor'?   click to show 
Sounds like a pretty cogent article to me, especially the mechanical lever parts. Does anyone have more insight on it?
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Old 08-14-2007, 05:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks for the good read. I've always thought baseball has started to become a pansy sport. Bring back the days where players don't mind shedding some blood on the plate. This really falls on the owners lap I think though. Although it would be nice to see baseball implement some rules regarding how big protective equipment should be, owners invest alot of money into these players and naturally they want to protect that investment.
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Baseball was born a pansy sport, imho.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Baseball was born a pansy sport, imho.

Crowd the plate on a fastball pitcher and come back and say the same thing.

or even better.. run into the outfield wall full speed and see what you have to say then.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Crowd the plate on a fastball pitcher and come back and say the same thing.

or even better.. run into the outfield wall full speed and see what you have to say then.
I played baseball in high school (because I was a really good hitter, you can confirm my abilities with Ch'i). Having played it, it's a pansy sport. Again, imho. I'm not saying people that like or play baseball are pansies. It's just a crappy sport that requires very little real skill and is mind numbing to watch and play. Like NASCAR.

Also, being hit with the ball in baseball is like being kicked in the nuts by Dakota Fanning. It hurts like a bitch, but it's still embarrassing.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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there's a pretty big difference between playing in high school and playing in the big leagues. For starters in high school you don't even come close to playing the amount of games in a season as you would in the majors. The level of talent you see in high school in most cases isn't close to what you find in the major's either.

I played since I was 3 and I never felt it to be mind-numbing to watch or play. To say it takes no skill is pretty bold. How can you say that being that good on a consistent basis takes no skill? Perhaps it was you who had no skill and that's why you never made it past high school.

no matter how you feel about the game being pansy or not, it's not really relevant to the OP.
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Old 08-16-2007, 06:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Intresting article. And although I'm no fan of Bonds, I have to say it looks like it could possibly be all speculation on the part of the writer. Unless someone actually gets ahold of this armature and tests these claims, I'd have to side with the defendant in this case.

And willravel, I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion of playing and watching baseball. The level of play in the Majors is so high that to compare it with High School ball is pretty silly. Also, I watch lots of games, and am never bored with the action. It's by far my favorite sport to watch.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:52 AM   #8 (permalink)
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It takes a lot more individual skill to be a successful ballplayer than any other team sport. In football, basketball, hockey, and soccer you can use your strength to overpower your opponent. The only time being the stronger one counts in baseball is a collision at the plate.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It takes a lot more individual skill to be a successful ballplayer than any other team sport. In football, basketball, hockey, and soccer you can use your strength to overpower your opponent. The only time being the stronger one counts in baseball is a collision at the plate.
So you're saying Bonds took steroids in case he had to run over a catcher?

Sorry, I don't buy it. If that were true, the strongest players would be the highest paid... and also, if that were true you'd think every team in every sport (except baseball) would be throwing tens of millions of dollars at those World's Strongest Man competitors.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Nice strawman. Does being stronger help you hit HRs? Sure, but it isn't a requirement. Soriano is 6-1, 180 and he's had three seasons with more than 35 HR. Bonds and Griffy were the best HR hitters in the 90's and neither was that big.

There are a bunch of other hugely successful small hitters out there like Ichiro and Utley. Pitchers don't need bulk either (Randy Johnson or Billy Wagner)

Body types in baseball aren't important. It's about the tools (skills) you have and how good you are at making adjustments.

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Old 08-16-2007, 06:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Are people still watching baseball?

Barry Bonds is a farce but if you want to make him the boogey man that broke down baseball you are mistaken. He's just the most obvious symptom of the Selig era where home runs put butts in seats. As long as something keeps attracting the minions to spend their dollars on the steriod abusers old Bud and his cronies are going to keep talking a big game about getting tough on the drugs and what not... then they will conveniently look the other way.

Baseball is a face ... end of story.
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Old 08-31-2007, 11:18 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Baseball was originally played without gloves.

It was anything but a pansy sport.
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Bonds is a genius. He has figured stuff out and has gotten away with stuff that no average ball player can get away with. For that alone he deserves to be place on the top spot of baseball's totem pole.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Body types in baseball aren't important. It's about the tools (skills) you have and how good you are at making adjustments.
Ridiculous. Much like every other sport, you not only have to know what you are doing, but you have to be physically capable of doing that. That's why athletes have comparatively short careers (aside from the obvious increased risks of injury and the fat loot the collect from playing a game makes them quit sometimes). A 60 year old man, even one who has been playing ball his whole life, just can't physically keep up with those with perhaps less practice and less know-how or skills.

Hell, even being left or right handed has a huge impact on many sports. The effect on baseball is the biggest I can think of.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Ridiculous. Much like every other sport, you not only have to know what you are doing, but you have to be physically capable of doing that. That's why athletes have comparatively short careers (aside from the obvious increased risks of injury and the fat loot the collect from playing a game makes them quit sometimes). A 60 year old man, even one who has been playing ball his whole life, just can't physically keep up with those with perhaps less practice and less know-how or skills.
You are missing the point. The easiest way to illustrate it is to look at pitchers. Pitchers come in all shapes and sizes. There are fat guys like Livan and Colon, athletic-looking guys, and little skinny guys like Wagner. The thing to remember is that just because a pitcher is fat it doesn't mean he can't be athletic. Livan can hit and makes some really impressive fielding plays.
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