Designer Vaginas - Gasp, please girls, don't do this - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

james t kirk · 08-13-2005, 03:42 PM

By JILL MAHONEY

Saturday, August 13, 2005 Updated at 12:53 AM EDT

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

Los Angeles — Women from around the world flock to David Matlock's marble waiting room carrying purses stuffed with porn. The magazines are revealed only in the privacy of his office, where doctor and patient debate the finer points of each glossy photo.

The enterprising gynecologist sees countless images of naked women, but none are more popular than Playboy's fresh-faced playmates. They represent, he says with a knowing smile, the perceived ideal.

“Some women will say, ‘Hey, you take this picture and hang it up in the operating room and refer back to it when you're sculpturing me,'” he said in an interview in his clinic overlooking hazy Los Angeles. “I say, ‘Okay, all right, fine.'”

Dr. Matlock is a colourful pioneer in a controversial — and growing — frontier of plastic surgery: nipping and tucking vaginas. Patients from the United States and more than 30 other countries pay thousands of dollars for his “designer vagina,” a purely esthetic procedure that includes shortening or plumping up the labia, or vaginal lips. He attracts even more women for an operation he claims improves sex by tightening, or “rejuvenating,” the vagina.

“There's a need for this,” he said. “Women are driving this. I didn't create this market, the market was there.”

While doctors have long known how to enhance women's genitals, demand for vaginal surgery has mushroomed in recent years because physicians — led by Dr. Matlock — market it as enhancing sexual satisfaction.

Doctors working in the field, including those in Canada, report higher caseloads and longer waiting lists. And the American Society of Plastic Surgeons says the increase is so great that it expects to soon start tracking volumes.

The trend has even reached girls as young as 15. In the past 18 months, the number of teens — and in one case an adolescent and her mother — who come to Dr. Matlock for designer vaginas has doubled.

“They're mature. Breasts, body, everything. I mean the clothing that they're wearing, the whole thing. These are not little girls. They're mature young ladies.”

Plastic surgery's spread to women's nether regions alarms those who see it as a manifestation of society's air-brushed standards of the female form that exploits women's deep-seated insecurities.

“I think it's appalling and frightening and one more way in which perfectly normal, beautiful women are terrorized by the possibility of being less than a perfect 10,” said Joy Davidson, a certified sex therapist and author in Seattle.

Link to rest

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...BNStory/Front/

james t kirk · 08-13-2005, 03:44 PM

As a personal comment I find this causes me great distress.

Why, because I LOVE a woman with a prominant labia minora. Nothing sexier than the look of the inner lips protruding past the outer lips. Just thinking about it now makes me hard.

So please girls, if you are so blessed with a beautiful set of butterfly like vaginal lips, don't let anyone ever tell you that it isn't beautiful. I would be that if you started a poll (maybe later) here that most men would tell you that they are like me.

I can't fathom why a woman would do this sort of thing.

Johnny Rotten · 08-13-2005, 04:01 PM

This strikes me as the decadence of a declining empire. Not the act itself, necessarily, but how it's pitched as a sexual enhancer and performed on adolescents. The thought of a 15 year-old girl getting a porn star vagina is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Chalk up yet another depressing victory for Cosmo and its ilk, as a nation of consumer youth buys its way out of the inherent self-consciousness of adolescence. I wonder how the assholes writing those magazines sleep at night.

Seaver · 08-13-2005, 04:15 PM

Quote:

This strikes me as the decadence of a declining empire. Not the act itself, necessarily, but how it's pitched as a sexual enhancer and performed on adolescents. The thought of a 15 year-old girl getting a porn star vagina is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Chalk up yet another depressing victory for Cosmo and its ilk, as a nation of consumer youth buys its way out of the inherent self-consciousness of adolescence. I wonder how the assholes writing those magazines sleep at night.

Well... I'm opposed to this as well... but you ran with it until your car ran out of gas.

Chuckles · 08-13-2005, 04:22 PM

to each their own

JStrider · 08-13-2005, 04:32 PM

under 18 couldnt that be considered a form of female genital mutilation? which Is illegal anywhere in the states...

and yah... thats just retarted...

i've never seen a picture of a vagina that i didnt like... well except for the horizontal one in this thread http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=2798

ngdawg · 08-13-2005, 04:35 PM

They had an episode of Dr90210 on this-a young woman, probably about 19, wanted her labia shortened, claiming it was so large, it hindered horseback riding, bothered her in jeans and she couldn't enjoy sex. And her MOTHER was with her on the consults.
While I can't blame people for wanting any kind of cosmetic surgery-hell, there are things I'd like to fix-the idea of someone taking a piece of my labia off so that it looks 'perfect' makes me cringe......(A later episode featured a place where one can go to get their bunghole bleached)

visotech · 08-13-2005, 04:39 PM

I heard about this on howard stern. If I recall correctly a botched labia surgery could lead to loss of feeling in the labia and other parts of the vagina....that would suck.

StanT · 08-13-2005, 04:56 PM

I can't say I've ever met one that I didn't like. It's beyond me why anyone would take a knife to thiers.

SiN · 08-13-2005, 05:15 PM

hmmhmm...

I'm perfectly content with the appearance of my pussy ...

but hmm... I must admit, if it wasn't so nice and neat I would consider surgery.

I'm not overly fond of the look of things hanging out ...

snowy · 08-13-2005, 07:27 PM

I don't care what mine looks like; honestly, it's not like a guy spends a whole lot of time down there STARING at it. Please.

Anyways, I think this is ridiculous, unnecessary, and to perform this surgery on someone under 18 definitely calls into question a doctor's ethics--though some physicians might argue that plastic surgeons don't HAVE ethics to begin with. The fact is, these girls need to realize that pussies in Playboy are AIRBRUSHED. They are MADE to look that way digitally. Compare those pussies with one in hardcore porn and you'll see quite a difference

Blackthorn · 08-13-2005, 07:51 PM

Oh my gawwwd! First the bewb jawb and now this... This is ridiculous. NEITHER OF THESE ARE NECESSARY! Arrrrgh...

SiN · 08-13-2005, 07:55 PM

under 18, yes, totally wrong.

other than that ...eh, even if playboy's airbrushed ...
some women do not have that extra flappy stuff hanging down.
some do.

i do not see what is wrong with not wanting, as an adult ... a 'neater' pussy.

fuck, i dunno where/why my ideas come from, really ... certainly *not* playboy ...

but at some point ... perhaps because of my general neat-freak tendencies ...

i dunno ... just babbling.

Siege · 08-13-2005, 11:35 PM

In a few years, this will be as commonly accepted as breast implants I bet.

Personally, I never really got into this whole body enhancement thing. Unless it's for a reason other than looks (ie: liposuction for health, perhaps vagina surgery if it really does affect your ability to horseback ride etc.) I think it's totally unnecessary.

But then again, I work out to look good (I tell myself it's to get stronger

), so maybe i'm just hypocritical.

james t kirk · 08-14-2005, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiN

under 18, yes, totally wrong.

other than that ...eh, even if playboy's airbrushed ...
some women do not have that extra flappy stuff hanging down.
some do.

i do not see what is wrong with not wanting, as an adult ... a 'neater' pussy.

fuck, i dunno where/why my ideas come from, really ... certainly *not* playboy ...

but at some point ... perhaps because of my general neat-freak tendencies ...

i dunno ... just babbling.

See, that extra "flappy stuff" is what I LOVE so much. Most of my male friends agree also. Very sexy stuff.

ChasingAmy · 08-14-2005, 08:14 PM

Reading that article made me a touch sick.

As stated, I too have never seen a vigina I wouldn't sink my tongue into! ;P

Fuck these people feeding off of peoples insecurities. It disgusts me.

ryfo · 08-14-2005, 08:18 PM

As if many people aren't insecure enuff! I like the idea that everybody is unique and if people want 'perfection', maybe a blow up doll is needed.

healer · 08-14-2005, 09:27 PM

I don't care what it looks like. And if the guys dont care (which seems apparent - we're just happy enough getting some) then I dont see why the ladies should care either.

They're all pink on the inside.

Titan_Uranus · 08-15-2005, 06:31 AM

it's all good to me ,as long as it's nice 'n tight

NoSoup · 08-15-2005, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChasingAmy

Fuck these people feeding off of peoples insecurities. It disgusts me.

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but I don't particularily agree with this sentiment. People will be insecure or not - having products out there that might help people become more secure isn't a bad thing.

While I don't understand really nor agree with the procedure unless it is done for actual medical reasons, I can't say that just because someone decides to provide the service that they are inherantly bad people...

Ilow · 08-15-2005, 07:56 AM

My ex-girlfriend was obsessed with "labiaplasty" as she called it. She was convinced that her minora prodruding was unattractive despite my pleas to the contrary. I guess it could be a little problematic when peeing (again, according to her) and during initial penetration during sex (if the lips get "pulled" inside=uncomfortable) but I don't think any of her reasons were substantial enough to warrant surgery, it's just another type of body dysmorphic disorder, if you ask me. BTW, I find it unfathomable that a Dr. would do this surgery on a 15 year old, they really haven't even fully developed, and his excuse that they are "mature young ladies" sounds disturbingly like the response a child molester would give.

abaya · 08-15-2005, 08:14 AM

I'm very happy with my pussy... but mine is all tucked in and neat, so I don't know how I would feel if I was a hanger-outer. To be honest, I have often looked at pics of hanger-outers (in hardcore porn) and thought, gosh, I like mine the way it is... but if I had one like that, I hope I'd be just as confident about myself!

This would be like people surgically correcting outie belly-buttons to make them more "neat" and tucked in... and why don't they do that? Because it's not a directly sexual part (boobs or pussy), and men/women don't get obsessed over that part and how it looks to their prospective partner. (Personally, I would never be with someone who doesn't always think I'm hot, no matter how old we are... ktspktsp is wonderful that way, and we make jokes about our dentures bumping into each other when we are old)

I think the beauty of a person is in the "imperfections" (for lack of a better word). Who wants to fuck a manufactured piece of plastic, someone that you could find a copy of at any corner whorehouse?

JustJess · 08-15-2005, 08:36 AM

^^ What abaya said. Besides... I want nothing sharp near that area of my anatomy. Actually, one side is a little longer than the other, but I don't care... because why should I? They do their jobs, and everyone's happy.

I can understand a person wanting plastic surgery, there are a lot of reasons... but it worries me that so many people are that unhappy with their own aesthetics.

vautrain · 08-15-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JStrider

under 18 couldnt that be considered a form of female genital mutilation?

It's female genital mutilation at any age. It might not be forced, but it is definitely coerced.

Frankly, I really like watching various flaps of skin grasping at my penis during intercourse. There's something about watching that that just drives me over the edge.

Anyway, if they were all cut back, they wouldn't be as much fun to watch. And, they wouldn't be nearly as much fun to explore.

tec-9-7 · 08-15-2005, 07:22 PM

I can't see it as being much different from any other kind of cosmetic surgery. If an adult woman wants labiaplasty, fine. Personally I doubt it's as hazardous as breast implants.

ktspktsp · 08-15-2005, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abaya

I think the beauty of a person is in the "imperfections" (for lack of a better word)

I'd suggest "particularities".

Also, I very much like Abaya's "tucked in and neat" lips

, but I know if would like them just as much if they were long and draping

. I love the pussy because of the person!

lurkette · 08-16-2005, 05:51 AM

I never knew to be insecure about my "'hanger-outer" lips until someone on TFP called vaginas that look like that "beef curtains." As if women don't already have enough to be insecure about

I was horribly embarassed and insecure about it till I figured that it still works perfectly fine and nobody who matters seems to mind the shape of things. So pththtbt! I don't mind that people have preferences; I do mind when one "look" is arbitrarily held up as the definitive standard by which we are all to be judged.

And stay away from my coochie with anything sharp.

Unright · 08-16-2005, 06:54 AM

Anybody paying money for surgery to modify their body should pay it instead to a good psychologist and find the true cause of their insecurities and unhappiness.

bad jane · 08-16-2005, 02:52 PM

i feel the same about this as i do any other plastic surgery--if that is what makes you happy, knock yourself out. it's not a choice i personally would make, but i'm not going to say that means it is wrong for everyone else too.

Grasshopper Green · 08-16-2005, 03:26 PM

I hope these women realize that if they give birth (at least the ones that are childless and perhaps want children in the future) that all that money will be to waste, because a baby really tears things up down there. They may still have great looking lips, but a torn up vagina. I never really thought of this as an issue....I don't really care what mine looks like, and since hubby loves it just the way it is, who cares???

MSD · 08-16-2005, 05:47 PM

If someone other than a doctor has their so close that it makes a difference they should probably have their mouth on it rather than their eyes.

08-13-2005, 03:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	Designer Vaginas - Gasp, please girls, don't do this By JILL MAHONEY Saturday, August 13, 2005 Updated at 12:53 AM EDT From Saturday's Globe and Mail Los Angeles — Women from around the world flock to David Matlock's marble waiting room carrying purses stuffed with porn. The magazines are revealed only in the privacy of his office, where doctor and patient debate the finer points of each glossy photo. The enterprising gynecologist sees countless images of naked women, but none are more popular than Playboy's fresh-faced playmates. They represent, he says with a knowing smile, the perceived ideal. “Some women will say, ‘Hey, you take this picture and hang it up in the operating room and refer back to it when you're sculpturing me,'” he said in an interview in his clinic overlooking hazy Los Angeles. “I say, ‘Okay, all right, fine.'” Dr. Matlock is a colourful pioneer in a controversial — and growing — frontier of plastic surgery: nipping and tucking vaginas. Patients from the United States and more than 30 other countries pay thousands of dollars for his “designer vagina,” a purely esthetic procedure that includes shortening or plumping up the labia, or vaginal lips. He attracts even more women for an operation he claims improves sex by tightening, or “rejuvenating,” the vagina. “There's a need for this,” he said. “Women are driving this. I didn't create this market, the market was there.” While doctors have long known how to enhance women's genitals, demand for vaginal surgery has mushroomed in recent years because physicians — led by Dr. Matlock — market it as enhancing sexual satisfaction. Doctors working in the field, including those in Canada, report higher caseloads and longer waiting lists. And the American Society of Plastic Surgeons says the increase is so great that it expects to soon start tracking volumes. The trend has even reached girls as young as 15. In the past 18 months, the number of teens — and in one case an adolescent and her mother — who come to Dr. Matlock for designer vaginas has doubled. “They're mature. Breasts, body, everything. I mean the clothing that they're wearing, the whole thing. These are not little girls. They're mature young ladies.” Plastic surgery's spread to women's nether regions alarms those who see it as a manifestation of society's air-brushed standards of the female form that exploits women's deep-seated insecurities. “I think it's appalling and frightening and one more way in which perfectly normal, beautiful women are terrorized by the possibility of being less than a perfect 10,” said Joy Davidson, a certified sex therapist and author in Seattle. Link to rest http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...BNStory/Front/

08-13-2005, 04:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Johnny Rotten lost and found Location: Berkeley	This strikes me as the decadence of a declining empire. Not the act itself, necessarily, but how it's pitched as a sexual enhancer and performed on adolescents. The thought of a 15 year-old girl getting a porn star vagina is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Chalk up yet another depressing victory for Cosmo and its ilk, as a nation of consumer youth buys its way out of the inherent self-consciousness of adolescence. I wonder how the assholes writing those magazines sleep at night. __________________ "The idea that money doesn't buy you happiness is a lie put about by the rich, to stop the poor from killing them." -- Michael Caine

08-13-2005, 04:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	under 18 couldnt that be considered a form of female genital mutilation? which Is illegal anywhere in the states... and yah... thats just retarted... i've never seen a picture of a vagina that i didnt like... well except for the horizontal one in this thread http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=2798 __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

08-13-2005, 04:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	They had an episode of Dr90210 on this-a young woman, probably about 19, wanted her labia shortened, claiming it was so large, it hindered horseback riding, bothered her in jeans and she couldn't enjoy sex. And her MOTHER was with her on the consults. While I can't blame people for wanting any kind of cosmetic surgery-hell, there are things I'd like to fix-the idea of someone taking a piece of my labia off so that it looks 'perfect' makes me cringe......(A later episode featured a place where one can go to get their bunghole bleached) __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

08-13-2005, 05:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
SiN strangelove Location: ...more here than there...	hmmhmm... I'm perfectly content with the appearance of my pussy ... but hmm... I must admit, if it wasn't so nice and neat I would consider surgery. I'm not overly fond of the look of things hanging out ... __________________ - + - ° GiRLie GeeK ° - + - ° 01110010011011110110111101110100001000000110110101100101 Therell be days/When Ill stray/I may appear to be/Constantly out of reach/I give in to sin/Because I like to practise what I preach

08-13-2005, 03:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	As a personal comment I find this causes me great distress. Why, because I LOVE a woman with a prominant labia minora. Nothing sexier than the look of the inner lips protruding past the outer lips. Just thinking about it now makes me hard. So please girls, if you are so blessed with a beautiful set of butterfly like vaginal lips, don't let anyone ever tell you that it isn't beautiful. I would be that if you started a poll (maybe later) here that most men would tell you that they are like me. I can't fathom why a woman would do this sort of thing.

08-13-2005, 04:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chuckles Insane Location: California	to each their own

08-13-2005, 04:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
visotech Insane Location: San Diego, CA	I heard about this on howard stern. If I recall correctly a botched labia surgery could lead to loss of feeling in the labia and other parts of the vagina....that would suck.

08-13-2005, 04:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
StanT © Location: Colorado	I can't say I've ever met one that I didn't like. It's beyond me why anyone would take a knife to thiers.

08-13-2005, 07:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	I don't care what mine looks like; honestly, it's not like a guy spends a whole lot of time down there STARING at it. Please. Anyways, I think this is ridiculous, unnecessary, and to perform this surgery on someone under 18 definitely calls into question a doctor's ethics--though some physicians might argue that plastic surgeons don't HAVE ethics to begin with. The fact is, these girls need to realize that pussies in Playboy are AIRBRUSHED. They are MADE to look that way digitally. Compare those pussies with one in hardcore porn and you'll see quite a difference __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

08-13-2005, 07:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	Oh my gawwwd! First the bewb jawb and now this... This is ridiculous. NEITHER OF THESE ARE NECESSARY! Arrrrgh... __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

08-13-2005, 07:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
SiN strangelove Location: ...more here than there...	under 18, yes, totally wrong. other than that ...eh, even if playboy's airbrushed ... some women do not have that extra flappy stuff hanging down. some do. i do not see what is wrong with not wanting, as an adult ... a 'neater' pussy. fuck, i dunno where/why my ideas come from, really ... certainly not playboy ... but at some point ... perhaps because of my general neat-freak tendencies ... i dunno ... just babbling. __________________ - + - ° GiRLie GeeK ° - + - ° 01110010011011110110111101110100001000000110110101100101 Therell be days/When Ill stray/I may appear to be/Constantly out of reach/I give in to sin/Because I like to practise what I preach

08-13-2005, 11:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Siege is a tiger Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada	In a few years, this will be as commonly accepted as breast implants I bet. Personally, I never really got into this whole body enhancement thing. Unless it's for a reason other than looks (ie: liposuction for health, perhaps vagina surgery if it really does affect your ability to horseback ride etc.) I think it's totally unnecessary. But then again, I work out to look good (I tell myself it's to get stronger ), so maybe i'm just hypocritical. __________________ "Your name's Geek? Do you know the origin of the term? A geek is someone who bites the heads off chickens at a circus. I would never let you suck my dick with a name like Geek" --Kevin Smith This part just makes my posts easier to find

08-14-2005, 08:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
ChasingAmy Single :) FFA Location: Prince George, British Columbia	Reading that article made me a touch sick. As stated, I too have never seen a vigina I wouldn't sink my tongue into! ;P Fuck these people feeding off of peoples insecurities. It disgusts me. __________________ Don't you know about the bird?

08-14-2005, 08:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
ryfo Psycho Location: melbourne australia	As if many people aren't insecure enuff! I like the idea that everybody is unique and if people want 'perfection', maybe a blow up doll is needed.

08-15-2005, 06:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
Titan_Uranus Insane Location: South Africa	it's all good to me ,as long as it's nice 'n tight

08-15-2005, 07:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
Ilow Junkie Location: Pats country	My ex-girlfriend was obsessed with "labiaplasty" as she called it. She was convinced that her minora prodruding was unattractive despite my pleas to the contrary. I guess it could be a little problematic when peeing (again, according to her) and during initial penetration during sex (if the lips get "pulled" inside=uncomfortable) but I don't think any of her reasons were substantial enough to warrant surgery, it's just another type of body dysmorphic disorder, if you ask me. BTW, I find it unfathomable that a Dr. would do this surgery on a 15 year old, they really haven't even fully developed, and his excuse that they are "mature young ladies" sounds disturbingly like the response a child molester would give. __________________ "Religion is the one area of our discourse in which it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about" --Sam Harris

08-15-2005, 08:14 AM	#22 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	I'm very happy with my pussy... but mine is all tucked in and neat, so I don't know how I would feel if I was a hanger-outer. To be honest, I have often looked at pics of hanger-outers (in hardcore porn) and thought, gosh, I like mine the way it is... but if I had one like that, I hope I'd be just as confident about myself! This would be like people surgically correcting outie belly-buttons to make them more "neat" and tucked in... and why don't they do that? Because it's not a directly sexual part (boobs or pussy), and men/women don't get obsessed over that part and how it looks to their prospective partner. (Personally, I would never be with someone who doesn't always think I'm hot, no matter how old we are... ktspktsp is wonderful that way, and we make jokes about our dentures bumping into each other when we are old) I think the beauty of a person is in the "imperfections" (for lack of a better word). Who wants to fuck a manufactured piece of plastic, someone that you could find a copy of at any corner whorehouse? __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

08-15-2005, 08:36 AM	#23 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	^^ What abaya said. Besides... I want nothing sharp near that area of my anatomy. Actually, one side is a little longer than the other, but I don't care... because why should I? They do their jobs, and everyone's happy. I can understand a person wanting plastic surgery, there are a lot of reasons... but it worries me that so many people are that unhappy with their own aesthetics. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.

08-15-2005, 07:22 PM	#25 (permalink)
tec-9-7 Insane Location: Rainy Washington	I can't see it as being much different from any other kind of cosmetic surgery. If an adult woman wants labiaplasty, fine. Personally I doubt it's as hazardous as breast implants.

08-16-2005, 05:51 AM	#27 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	I never knew to be insecure about my "'hanger-outer" lips until someone on TFP called vaginas that look like that "beef curtains." As if women don't already have enough to be insecure about I was horribly embarassed and insecure about it till I figured that it still works perfectly fine and nobody who matters seems to mind the shape of things. So pththtbt! I don't mind that people have preferences; I do mind when one "look" is arbitrarily held up as the definitive standard by which we are all to be judged. And stay away from my coochie with anything sharp. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

08-16-2005, 06:54 AM	#28 (permalink)
Unright Crazy Location: Florida	Anybody paying money for surgery to modify their body should pay it instead to a good psychologist and find the true cause of their insecurities and unhappiness.

08-16-2005, 02:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
bad jane Insane	i feel the same about this as i do any other plastic surgery--if that is what makes you happy, knock yourself out. it's not a choice i personally would make, but i'm not going to say that means it is wrong for everyone else too.

08-16-2005, 03:26 PM	#30 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	I hope these women realize that if they give birth (at least the ones that are childless and perhaps want children in the future) that all that money will be to waste, because a baby really tears things up down there. They may still have great looking lips, but a torn up vagina. I never really thought of this as an issue....I don't really care what mine looks like, and since hubby loves it just the way it is, who cares??? __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa

08-16-2005, 05:47 PM	#31 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	If someone other than a doctor has their so close that it makes a difference they should probably have their mouth on it rather than their eyes.