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Old 11-10-2004, 10:34 AM   #41 (permalink)
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1. Male. Heterosexual.

2. 22

3. Catholic. Occasionally churchgoing, not strict.

4. Pro-Life with exceptions for times when the mother's life is in danger. I don't believe ownership rights trump one's right to life. When the lives of two people are involved and at risk, one could consider abortion as self-defense.

5. Ideally, legal only when the mother's life is in danger. I don't believe the argument that it should be legal to prevent coat hanger abortions is valid when abortion is considered from the perspective that it is a life. The fact that there is black market slavery which allows for harsher treatment of slaves does not mean slavery should instead be legalized and regulated. I also do not believe considering it to be a life is a "moral" decision - otherwise the government should not regulate the "moral" decision that blacks are not fully human. The fact is, our definitions for life are arbitrarily based on what best suits our convenience. In this case, we conveniently define life in such a way as to allow us to support abortion with a "good conscience." I also recognize, however, that despite it not being a "moral" evaluation, there is no popularly convincing evidence that it is a life. Because of this, the debate over legality gets nowhere since both sides are arguing from completely different and unrelated viewpoints. So, I am content for the time being to compromise and instead support not forcing taxpayers to support something which they find to be morally deplorable (since they consider it to be a life) but allow those who wish to believe it is not a life to contribute money to fund such ventures.

6. No, unless my partner's life were in danger.

7. No.
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Old 11-10-2004, 10:55 AM   #42 (permalink)
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1. Female - Bisexual

2. 20

3. Christian - Raised Lutheran in a very strict fundamental home, now I'd say I'm just generally Christian, moving towards Catholicism.

4. Pro-Life - I feel that an unborn baby, at any stage of development is a life, and to kill it is just as wrong as killing anyone else.

5. I think that abortion should be legal in certain circumstances, such a rape or the danger of the mother. While I may not agree with abortion, I think that women who are willing to have one should have the option to abort in a case like that.

6. I personally would never have an abortion. Life is just too precious to me to ever consider taking it. Even if it would put my life in danger, I still would rather risk it and know that the baby lived. It's just the way I feel. Of course, if I ever found myself in that actual situation, I may feel differently, it's hard to say.

7. No
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:13 AM   #43 (permalink)
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1. sex/gender Hetero Female
2. age 20
3. religion (preferably adding how religous/level of practice) Raised LDS, haven't practiced in about two years
4. are you pro-choice or pro-life? why? I am pro life. That's a baby. A baby is human, no matter what I think that child comes first.
5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal? why? I think it should be legal, because people still have the right to choose. Abortions will still take place whether they are legal or not. I think that if someone's going to choose to have an abortion, it should be done in a clinic where their health can be more protected.
6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)? if so, under what circumstances? (edit: possibly clarification made) I would never consider an abortion. Ever.
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:22 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I'm pro-choice because there is no way a non-sentient fetus has rights that supercede those of a woman. There are just too many economical, social, and health related reasons to outlaw abortion. What a woman does with her body should be up to her. I don't think I could bring myself to ask any woman to have an abortion for any reason though.
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Old 11-10-2004, 12:02 PM   #45 (permalink)
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4. Choice... no one should dictate what we do with our bodies.
5. There should be no law on the books one way or the other.
6. No I wouldn't request that my partner have one but would support their decision one way or the other (see #7).
7. I have lived through the experience of having a partner get an abortion... It was ultimately her decision but I would have supported her regardless of the choice.
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Old 11-10-2004, 12:25 PM   #46 (permalink)
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1. Male.
2. Almost 40.
3. Jewish, not especially
4. Emphatically both. I believe in life. I also believe in choice. God gave us free will; we're supposed to use it. We're not supposed to push it on others, though.
5. Legal. There's no reason for it to not be legal. The government has no interest in the matter.
6. I have no idea. Depends on the relationship. I'd like to belive that I wouldn't, not being a teenager these days.
7. No.
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Old 11-10-2004, 01:56 PM   #47 (permalink)
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2. age: 19
3. religion: Atheist
4. are you pro-choice or pro-life?:Pro Choice why?: It's none of my fucking buisness!
5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal?: Legal why?: I am Pro Choice
6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)?: Yes, I would ask my partner to have one if so, under what circumstances?: If she... got pregnant?
7. (very optional)if female, have you had one? if male, have you contributed to one?: No
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Old 11-10-2004, 02:58 PM   #48 (permalink)
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1. Male Straight
2. Age 19 (almost 20)
3: jedi according to my census form, aethiest normally.
4. pro-choice, its not my business to define morality, each person should have the right to choose what happens to them (I also feel that suicide should be legal as governments deny me the right to die... not looking to but I think I should have the right to decide when to end my life legally)
5. It should be legal. Governments should not regulate this... if a woman/man feels they are not capable of supporting a child then they should be allowed to opt out, if a woman continues with a child after her partner has asked her to terminate it he/she should be allowed to "disown" the child (provided they apply to some form of legal body for proof) that they do not feel they can support a child however the other partner wants it.
6: Yes, the woman has the choice and especially if it threatens her health or the child could not be supported. Its cruel to bring children into a world where you cannot take reasonable care of them.
7. Nope
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Old 11-10-2004, 03:24 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Wow....lotsa responses, eh! Good job. I haven't been around here in a while.....how are things? :-)

1. male
2. 29
3. Raised Catholic, but I don't think anyone has all the answers. Budism iterests me the most!
4. Pro-Choice. I think there are many circumstances in which it is best. I don't agree with raising a child in a bad environment. If you are obviously not in any position to be a parent, be it drug use or other...it is an option. Also, I would be a hypocrite if I said otherwise.
5. It should be legal, yes! However, I urge anyone to STRONGLY think about it first! I don't think law should dictate the state of another. Making it illegal would only mean more parents trying to terminate it themslef...which only leads us down an even more bitter road.
6. Would I now? No! In the past, under different circumstances, yes! But at any time I would always be willing to do what the female felt was best.
7. One when I was 19 and another at 23. I'm not proud of it...but it's the reality. And yes...I still think about it now. It's not just the girl who runs the risk of remorse, trust me!

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Old 11-10-2004, 03:45 PM   #50 (permalink)
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3. Jewish, non-practicing but I have my own sense of faith.
4. Pro-life
5. Legal, as much as I disagree with it, it is simply none of the governments business.
6. No, would never ask for one and would advise against it, but it's her baby and ultimately her choice.
7. No
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Old 11-10-2004, 06:02 PM   #51 (permalink)
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1. male - hetero (recently divorced after 10 years)

2. 32

3. athiest

4. pro-choice. why? just because I'm not against it. People should take every effort to avoid pregnancy if it's unwanted, including not having sex if unprepared. Too many people leave it to chance. A child should be a choice, not an accident. But, shit happens. Giving it up for adoption should always be considered, but it's not always practical. I do draw the line a partial birth abortion, though. That seems a little gross.

5. legal. There are many reasons pro and con, but I can't understand why people want to make other people decisions for them.

6. I would support my partner if she wanted one to have one. I would have a hard time ASKING her to have one. It just seems selfish to ask. Plus, I would be afraid that she would change her opinion because of my desire for her to have one. I acted pre-emptively and had a vasectomy.

7. no
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Old 11-10-2004, 06:31 PM   #52 (permalink)
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4. Choice. Because I don't let my own personal beliefs make decisions for other people.
5. Legal. Otherwise, the safety of both lives are at risk.
6. No, unless I had been raped by a psychopath.
7. Nope.
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Old 11-10-2004, 07:07 PM   #53 (permalink)
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2. age 46
3. religion Christian. I go to church twice a month. For many years I was there twice a week, but I've fallen away, because I became bored. I believe in all the supernatural elements of Christianity. I'm just a lousy Christian.
4. are you pro-choice or pro-life? why? Pro-life. The culture of death propagated by abortion is poison to human civilization. Abortion is the murder of sentient beings at their most innocent and helpless state.
5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal? why? It should be restricted and limited but not outlawed completely. It's legality should be decided by states, not by the federal government.
6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)? if so, under what circumstances? No. I am married, so there is no reason to consider abortion.
7. (very optional)if female, have you had one? if male, have you contributed to one? When I was in college, an ex-girlfriend who I had a "reunion" with got pregnant after our weekend fling. She had an abortion, then called to tell me it was done. At the time I thought she had done the right thing, only I was upset that she didn't involve me until after it was done.
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Old 11-10-2004, 07:53 PM   #54 (permalink)
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You all talk about it, like it's an intellectual discussion. So lacking the passion that you'd have if you were discussing leaving a new born baby in the snow, because the mother didn't want to raise it.

Pro-choice vs. Pro-life just isn't really the question. The question really is, when does a human life begin? My answer is that from the moment when two half strands of DNA wind together, becoming a single, unique, and complete human DNA, lying in a human zygote, then you have a new and viable human being, with a distinct identity. Yes, it's very much dependent on its mother for survival. So much so, it will seek a lodging inside her and feed from her through a placenta. Then again, once born, it will still be very dependent on her for survival, and will seek to feed off of her, by nursing.

What is it with people who say the change in the baby's location from inside mom, to outside, means that killing it changes from "choice" and a woman's right to control "HER" body, to murder of a baby? Why is it that when someone murders a pregnant woman, he gets tried for murder of both the woman and the baby, but if she kills the same baby, then she was just excersizing her right of choice?

I've noticed that people who are "pro-choice" really don't like to discuss or think about the question of what is that "thing" inside a pregnant woman's womb. They want to think of it as some kind of tumorous growth, that suddenly "becomes" a human baby when it is born. But the change of birth is mostly a change in the mother, not in the baby. The baby's surroundings change, but it doesn't add or loose any cells over it. The baby doesn't change. From the time it becomes a zygote with a full set of DNA, it is just developing, and getting bigger, on its way to becoming a human adult capable of being self supporting. It will get more and more independent as it matures, surely, but there is no point of sudden change, just a slow progression of development. So there is no point where it suddenly becomes a human, other than when its DNA get together, and it starts that developmental process. So killing a fetus in the womb is murder.

That said, I've know women who were pregnant when they couldn't support a child, and I'd not prosecute a woman for having an abortion. If I'm right, that it is murder, God will do the judgement to my satisfaction. But I'd prosecute the abortionist doctor for murder. He should know better, and society, working through its government, has a right and duty to protect the innocent and weakest among us. Surely that means the babies!
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Old 11-10-2004, 09:12 PM   #55 (permalink)
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4. Both. Quality, not quantity.
5. Legal. If you know you can't provide for a child after it's born... I can see no good reason you should be forced to do so before... or after.
6. Yes, if it had been discussed beforehand.
7. Probably not.
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Old 11-10-2004, 10:36 PM   #56 (permalink)
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3. wiccan/pagan, average spirituality
4. Pro-choice... there are too many reasons that I could name, at least for myself, as to why a child should not be brought into this world. If the mother is some random crack-whore with mental problems and the daddy is nowhere to be found, can you really justify putting a child into that situation? Yes, you could fight this with an argument for adoption, but then you hit a double standard. If a woman wants to donate her eggs so that someone else can have kids, she has to go through a full psychological and physical evaluation before she can even be considered... so who'd want a crack-whore's kid? And rape victims, who had no choice in the matter to begin with, certainly don't want to have to hold that child and see that child, and every time they do they're reminded of what happened to them to bring that kid to them in the first place.
5. Legal, see 4.
6. I would if I felt that bringing a child into the world would be more harmful to it than never bringing it at all.
7. No.
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Old 11-11-2004, 04:22 AM   #57 (permalink)
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You all talk about it, like it's an intellectual discussion. So lacking the passion that you'd have if you were discussing leaving a new born baby in the snow, because the mother didn't want to raise it.
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Old 11-11-2004, 09:46 AM   #58 (permalink)
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4. i am pro-life for multiple reasons, some stemming from moral reasoning, some from medical reasoning. i believe that a lot of pro-choice defenses encompass a woman's right to choose what happens to their body: this would be a completely valid argument if there wasn't another body depending on hers. in the case of a pregnancy i believe that the woman, no matter the means through which she became pregnant, has the responsibility to support and care for her physical dependent. a woman should not have the right to terminate a responsibility and treat a child as an inconvenience. it is her choice to decide what to do following the baby's delivery (keep it? adoption?), she has no right to curtail another life out of practicality. medical reasoning includes the physical and mental stresses that a woman can incur following an abortion (inhibited sex drive, severe depression, thoughts of suicide, physical deformities, etc). even considering the woman's right to her body argument, the medical stresses still hold down a pro-life stance without my "bible thumping" moralism.

5. should be illegal for all of the above reasons. additionally, if someone kills a woman carrying a child, he is charged with double murder. this is commonly accepted legislation and should transcend the abortion issue.

6. no, even considering rape and incest, i would openly encourage putting the child up for adoption before so much as thinking of asking her to abort the child.
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Old 11-11-2004, 10:50 AM   #59 (permalink)
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1. sex/gender: (male, female, transgender... i'd be interested in homo- or hetro too, but that's at your discretion to add.) heterosexual male
2. age: 27
3. religion (preferably adding how religous/level of practice): evangelist-lutheran but do not practice
4. are you pro-choice or pro-life? why? pro-choice. it's her body. what business is it of anyone else's?
5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal? why? yes. look above.
6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)? if so, under what circumstances? (edit: possibly clarification made) i don't know. maybe not. i personally would like to have a child. but the thing is, my personal feelings should not dictate whether other people can make the decision for themselves or not. this is what the die hard pro-lifers fail to grasp.
7. (very optional)if female, have you had one? if male, have you contributed to one? nope, haven't. but would not put it past me, if i weren't married that is.
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Old 11-11-2004, 11:47 AM   #60 (permalink)
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2. 23

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4. Pro-choice: others making choices for you and telling you what you can/cannot do with your own body is wrong. As for whether or not it's an actual life at that point, that boils down to personal belief (until proven otherwise). To others, it's a life, but to me, it's just a clump of cells. That being said, there's no excuse to not catch it within the first few months, so if you wait beyond that, might as well just carry through with it.

5. It should remain legal. If you or your partner becomes pregnant and you aren't ready to have a child, you should have the option to have it removed.

6. Yes, my g/f and I have discussed it, and if she were to ever become pregnant (she's on the pill), we'll have no problems with getting an abortion. Why? Because we don't want kids right now. She's still in college, so am I (while working and paying for my house), having a kid would ruin that in the worst way possible. Not worth it at this point in my (our) life.

7. Never contributed to one.
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Old 11-11-2004, 12:33 PM   #61 (permalink)
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1. Male, hetero, married w/1 child
2. 29
3. Lutheran - not very active in religion
4. I am pro-choice. I don't believe that someone should have any say in what goes on with another persons body.
5. Abortion should be legal. The only problem I have with it are those who think of it as a birth control method.
6. My wife and I have discussed this a long time ago. It would be a consideration if there was a complication which put her at risk of dying.
7. No contribution
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:41 PM   #62 (permalink)
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2: 34
3: Ordained minister, I'm an objective deist now-days.
4: um, I don't actually see those as REAL opposites. I love life, and love to know people that enjoy theirs. Let's say pro-choice for lack of a better option on that question.
5: legal. Why: from a practical standpoint, it's going to happen anyway, making it illegal only makes it unsafe. from a religious standpoint, the only reference I have been able to find in the Bible, Quoran, or the Torah, is "breathed life" indicating to me that life begins with the first actual breath... not sure I buy it completely, but to play it by the book...
6: yes, reconsidered after confirming that wife was farther along than we ever imagined, and yes, my first wife had one while we were in college. Now, no consideration unless life threatening.
7: again, yes, one. sometimes it bothers me, but it's rare.
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:51 PM   #63 (permalink)
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1. Female

2. 27

3. Agnostic (w/ mildly Catholic upbringing, and I have a strange fascination w/catholocism, which is more aesthetic than religious).

4. Pro choice. You could even call me pro-abortion, that's fine with me. Why? Many reasons.
1. I'm relatively logical, rather than 'emotional' or 'sentimental'.
2. I believe life begins, exists, when it can exist outside of it's 'host'.
2a. there is a grey area of life, when it requires some assistance to continue. It's the degree of assistance...and I'm not sure exactly where the line is, but I'm confident with my belief of where a foetus falls within that scale.
2b. It may be a long time, if ever, before a scientific consensus is reached on the definition of life. That, to me, is relatively irrelevant. As much as I'm a fan of scientific proofs, well, refer to 2a.
3. I am quite in favor of planned families. (even though I'm a direct result of the opposite).
4. I firmly believe in control and responsibility, at any point. Even if a 'mistake' is made, if there is a way out of it, by all means, go ahead.

5. Legal. Relatively easy and unrestricted, but with full safety of the mother as top concern. Through the 1st and 2nd trimester, I don't think I have any problems/concerns. I would also be interested in ways to make it possible for <18 yrs w/o parental consent. Not sure of the details on that one.
***edit: I also strongly believe that primarily personal belief/opinion-based things such as abortion should not be dictated by law. The abortion 'debate' as it is currently is primarly moral, not ethical, and therefore should be relatively unrestricted.

6. Yes, under any circumstance where I was pregnant and did not want to be, for whatever reason.

7. Technically, no. Closest I've come is 'inducing' late menstruation.

***Important note: as much as I favor abortion, I am a much bigger supporter of Birth Control. Easy, affordable, regardless of age or location.
Prevention is always best, and I don't count abstinance as prevention, rather, avoidance.
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Old 11-11-2004, 02:08 PM   #64 (permalink)
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1. male, hetero
2. 28
3. Catholic, very much
4. I'm pro life, i believe that no one has the right to take someone else's life just because they want. I beleive there is life since the moment the egg and sperm got together.
5. I beleive it has to be regulated by law, as i said before i don't believe anyone has the right to take eway other's life, but there are speciall cases, like when the mother's life is at risk, when an abortion would be acceptable.
6. Never
7. No
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Old 11-11-2004, 05:18 PM   #65 (permalink)
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1.female - heterosexual
2. 20 (21 in less than a month!)
3. raised as a baptist (grandpa is a preacher), i'm a christian but i have a mix-n-match belief system because i don't believe everything "modern christianitY" teaches us. but then again, i don't like orthodox christianity, either.
4. i think my view can be described as "nunya". it's "nunya" business if another woman chooses to discard cells from her body. i think it's the woman's choice, it's her body. she participated in the act that got those cells fused together, so she can decide what to do with said cells, though i do think she should consult the male partner in most circumstances.
5. legal. women are going to do it anyway....if you keep them from it, they're going to sneak around doing it illegally and unsafely, thus causing more problems.
6. yes. if i were unable to take care of a child...if i knew the child would be forced into poverty and/or a situation where he/she would not be loved, i would have the brains to know not to bring another human into the world under those circumstances. also if i were a rape victim, i would....i definitely would. if the child were going to have deformities or an uncurable disease....or if my life were in danger...
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Old 11-11-2004, 06:20 PM   #66 (permalink)
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2. age
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3. religion
Goddess worship, cult of 1, not very into ritual
4. are you pro-choice or pro-life? why?
pro-choice, reluctantly. I dislike abortion but there are too many cases where all the choices are awful for me to make someone else's decision comfortably.
5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal? why?
legal, see 4. I would probably support limiting it more and/or sterilization after, say, abortion #3.
6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)? if so, under what circumstances?
Only if the woman's life were endangered.
7. (very optional)if female, have you had one? if male, have you contributed to one?
Nope.
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Old 11-11-2004, 06:48 PM   #67 (permalink)
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3)Pagan
4)Pro choice
5)Laws should remain as they are....Fetus does not show "thinking" brainwave patterns until the third trimester...at the very earliest. Before that, cellular matter.
6)Yes....See above.
7)No....and no intention of having to make such a call.
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Old 11-11-2004, 06:53 PM   #68 (permalink)
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2. 20
3. Protestant
4. Pro-choice if used appropriately and in moderation
5. legal-solves potential problems a person may have to suffer that was not directly caused by their actions. Prevents children from growing up with a poor mother that does not want her children.
6. No. Tricky, I'd consider it for sure. Right now, I say no, but I'm not facing that situation luckily.
7. No, protection is nice. And not having random sex.
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Old 11-12-2004, 10:40 AM   #69 (permalink)
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2)32
3)Pagan
4)Pro choice
5)I agree with my Pagan Philosopher, Tecoyah : It should be legal, period.

Your US aws should remain as they are. 12 weeks from conception is the longest I would consider abortion as an option for myself, WERE I faced with that gut wrenching decision. Correct: a fetus does not show "thinking" brainwave patterns until the third trimester, prior to which it is a rapidly dividing cluster of cells we know as a zygote.
6)Being a woman I feel it is 100% that woman's body.
She creates, she births, she makes the call.
7)I have never had an abortion to this date, and hopefully won't be faced with this.

Please let me leap onto my soap box just for one second :

With the number of reliable birth control options available today, there is virtually no excuse for getting quote unquote accidentally knocked up.
Zero, actually. It's 100% about [accessible] education and prevention.

Rather than making abortion a regularly discussed issue, what should be at the forefront of the issue is how readily anyone can get birth control.
Any human capable of impregnantion should be provided free condoms via any medical clinic, hospital, school or institution. If they can provide needles to drug addicts, they can provide rubbers to the responsible.

( Before you argue me : I've heard it before. Doing this would increase promiscuity, wah wah wah.... would you rather have more underage pregancies, more abortions, more disease or risk more people screwing ???? )
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Old 11-12-2004, 03:01 PM   #70 (permalink)
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first i'd like to thank everyone who's responded so far, they've all been excellent. with the 2 exceptions (kid who got banned underage anyways) and one other, i've been so pleased with everyones responses.

thank you all so much!!!

i think a lot of other boards this probably would have turned into a major flame war.

keep 'em coming! when i'm done with my paper (i might actually turn this into my final presentation), i think i'll post it (assuming i'm happy with how it turned out).

thanks again!
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Old 11-12-2004, 03:29 PM   #71 (permalink)
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1. male - hetero
2. 31
3. none
4. pro-choice: People should have control over their bodies. That said, I think that there has to be limits. Such as 1st trimester unless there is a immenent medical danger to the mother, or the child will be non-viable.
5. Legal: see 4.
6. Well since I have, I would have to answer yes. I have been snipped to avoid that decision ever again.
7. Yes. See 6.

I would count going through that with my girlfriend (now wife and mother of my 2 children) the lowest point in my life, although I am not sure that I regret doing what we did.

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Old 11-12-2004, 03:39 PM   #72 (permalink)
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1. Sex: Male
2. 19
3. Atheist
4. I’m a pro choice, I value life very highly and I wish that no one would get an abortion, but I also realize that it is a legit medical practice and should not be banned. Because it can be used to save a woman’s life.
5. I think it should be legal, but I again it should be a last resort. i think there should be restrictions on late term abortions, where as the mother's life must be in danger to receive one.
6. If it was a necessity to save my GF's/wifes's life then most certainly, other then that I would look for alternatives, i.e. adoption.
7. No.
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Old 11-12-2004, 04:14 PM   #73 (permalink)
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1. sex/gender
male
2. age
18
3. religion (preferably adding how religous/level of practice)
agnostic
4. are you pro-choice or pro-life? why?
choice. i think if you can not support a child or don't want to support a child, there's no sense in giving it a crappy life so that it can suffer just like you.
5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal? why?
legal. it would help domestic situations i think no more "well now we HAVE to stick it out so we will do a half-ass job"
6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)? if so, under what circumstances? (edit: possibly clarification made)
i would offer the suggestion. it isn't my choice.
7. (very optional)if female, have you had one? if male, have you contributed to one?
nope.
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Old 11-12-2004, 11:32 PM   #74 (permalink)
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1. Sex: Male
2. Age: 18
3. Religion: practicing Roman Catholic
4. Pro-Life. I believe that life starts at conception and abortion = murder as far as I see it.
5. Illegal. Abortion takes away someones oppurtunity to live a life on this planet that is a miracle in and of itself. Life is beautiful - no matter how shitty your life is, it's still beautiful - and it's hard for me to describe exactly how I feel but I think abortion is spitting on the face of humanity.
6. No, I would never consider asking my partner to have an abortion. I would raise the kid on my own and would rather barely be able to pay the bills than have my only glimpse of my son/daughter be of their remains being thrown in a trash bin.
7. No and I would rather die myself than contribute to the death of my unborn child.
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:37 PM   #75 (permalink)
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1. sex/gender (male, female, transgender... i'd be interested in homo- or hetro too, but that's at your discretion to add.)

Male... hetero.


2. age

22


3. religion (preferably adding how religous/level of practice)

Christian...born Catholic but currently non-denominational... struggling to get my spiritual walk going right.


4. are you pro-choice or pro-life? why?

Pro-choice because I believe that if a woman is raped she shouldn't be forced to carry that pregancy to term... I'm also pro-life because I don't believe that abortion should be used as a means for birth control, and I think that people ought to assume responsibility for their actions when they have sex.


5. do you feel that abortion should be legal or illegal? why?

It should be made legal for certain circumstances (i.e. if a woman gets raped or if the pregnancy could be fatal for her).


6. would you ever consider having one or asking your partner to (if male)? if so, under what circumstances? (edit: possibly clarification made)

If my girlfriend were to get raped I would ask her to have an abortion because she shouldn't have to carry the product of a violation to term. I couldn't love or care for such a child, and I know that its chances for getting adopted would be slim to none.


7. (very optional)if female, have you had one? if male, have you contributed to one?

Nope...

Quote:
Originally Posted by hannukah harry
i realize that #'s 4 and 5 are similar, but i'm sure that there are some pro-life people who do feel it should be illegal even though they would not choose to have one themselves.

feel free to add anything you feel is relevant!

oh, and mods, if you don't think this is the right place, feel free to move as always.

thanks everyone!
I just think it's stupid how a bunch of people voted Republican a the last election simply based on the issue of abortion or stem cell research. It's one thing to vote for a party (Democrat, Republican, etc.) if you agree with their views and find that most of a candidate's positions on many issues are in accord to yours.... but to vote for someone solely because they claim to be a born-again Christian or because they don't support abortion and stem cell research is stupid and immature. Such individuals are not fit to live in a democracy and should be stripped of all voting rights.
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Old 11-14-2004, 07:25 PM   #76 (permalink)
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1. Male-hetrosexual
2. 23
3. raised catholic, but currently athiest
4. pro-choice, I feel that everyone should be give the chance to make the choice of what they want to do with their life. I do feel that people should be given all the information and options available so that they can make an informed choice.
5. Legal, I don't think it's the goverment's responsibility to tell people what they can or can not do with their bodies.
6. Yes, I would consider it as a possible option, but really it would be part of a discussion of what we should do and ultimately it would be the woman's choice.
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:56 AM   #77 (permalink)
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1. Female, straight

2. 22

3. christian, but very low level of participation as i am questioning/protesting some of the things ive been taught my entire life.

4. very pro-choice. i believe that it is wrong to put the life of the unborn child over the life functioning member of society (the mother). It is more ethical in my opinion to choose to bring a child into the world when it can be given everything he/she deserves. i do not want anyone making my choice for me and i will not make a choice upon anyone else.

5. Abortion should very much be legal. The issue of abortion is a moral issue. morals are most often derived from religious beliefs. it is a violation of the seperation between church and state to make this issue illegal, as well as federal privacy laws. the decision to terminate a pregnancy should be left to the mother and her doctor. the father as well if that is the case.

6. a few years ago had i gotten pregnant i probably would have chosen an abortion. i still would probably make that decision depending on the situation in my life right now. i am in my early 20's, about to finish school and will need to enter the workforce. this time comes with so many changes and uncertainty that i am unsure of my ability to raise a child, let alone carry one to term. however, i do feel that, if the circumstances are right, i am at a point in my life that i could very capable of bearing and raising a child. that is a decision that would have to ultimately be made at that time.

7. no, i do everything in my power, short of abstinence, to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:18 AM   #78 (permalink)
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1. male, straight
2. 32
3. atheist
4. pro-choice -- I believe in a woman's right to make a choice
5. legal -- if illegal, unsafe back alley abortions would happen; it may be better overall to end an unborn life than to cause possibly greater hardship, but that is for the woman to choose
6. no, I would never encourage somebody to do so -- it is a personal choice
7. never contributed to one
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:46 PM   #79 (permalink)
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1. Male, Bisexual
2. 18
3. Pagan
4. Pro-Mind-Your-Own-Fucking-Business/Choice (If you have no affiliation with the parties, then your opinion is irrelevant, and for purposes of my opinion, quite obviously Choice)
5. Legal; there's no need to explain
6. No if we got pregnant, yes if she was raped and we agreed it was best for us.
7. -
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:01 PM   #80 (permalink)
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1. male
2. 20
3. athiestic/agnostic/apathetic
4. pro choice... if it cant survive outside of the womb its living off the woman... its a parasite
5. legal... if its illegal they will still be done... just not in safe conditions
6. depends on the situation...
7. once...wasnt somethin I liked to encourage but it was the best option at the time...
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