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withmuchcrap23 · 10-04-2003, 11:56 PM

Hey...I know...I'm inexperianced...whats the best way to go about this...techniques and whatnot.

oberon · 10-05-2003, 12:03 AM

There's plenty of threads on this in the past. Use the search button next time.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ht=cunnilingus

Well it's not fingering... but it gets her off just the same.

hparcins · 10-06-2003, 09:35 PM

Well now, sometimes a chick is too hit to get some lick.

My advice: don't just shove your finger in and out like every dude does the first dozen times. I'm pretty sure the chicks dig it when you put you flatten your fingers out and just rub away at her clit for a bit, as well. Then again, what do I know, it's not like I get laid every day or anything. That and I'm like totally gay.

arch13 · 10-06-2003, 10:13 PM

The last thing you want to do, is as mentioned just go shoving your fingers in. I'm going to assume you familiar with the female body at least somewhat (if your not then go study the tittie board).

1. Realize that a womans erotic zones encompass more than just her actuall vagina (ohhhhhh, steral terms) This should be something that is led up to with heavy kissing an petting. it's going to be less than half as enjoyable if she's not ready and wet.

2.As stated, flatten your fingers (usualy two will do nicely) and begine to massage the clitoris in a SLOW rotational manner. it's located at the top of her vagina inside several folds of skin. It's extremly senstive and won't come out to play until she's further aroused, so rub the folds of skin at the top gently.

3. pay attention to her breathing and body signs. subtly she's letting you know what feels good, you just have to listen for the no-verbal signs. ask her what feels good

4. realize that your hand is going to get tired the first time you do this. Deal with it. you don;t want to know how her neck feels after blowing you. increase the tempo ever so slightly as her breathing increases. again, use her breathing and the reactions of her body as signs to increase speed.

5. By the time you've got a reasonable speed going, she'll proabably be wondering when your going inside, but slightly delaying your ahhhhm "entrance" is going to make it all the better when you do.

6. keep your pointer finger on her clit, continuing to massage it, begine to use your middle finger and run it up and down the length of her vaginal lips, from bottom to top. you'll notice how wet she is almost immediatly but you need to spread that wetness all over her vagina and liberally coat your fingers with it before you can enter her.

7.after you feel that your finger is sufficiantly wet, use the tip of your middle finger and press it at the base of her vagina. slide it gently in to your first joint and then slowley back out. just like with the clit, you need to pick up tempo slowly. The faster the tempo, the more you slide into her.

8. Go with your gut. get her feedback. do as little or as much as you think she'd like. Pay attention to her and the way's she likes this done will begin to show with practice.

Above all else remember that it's her body, so she call the shots on what happens to it.

Enjoy yourselves kids.

and just how old are you by the way?

jmoz18 · 10-06-2003, 11:00 PM

umm ok

johnnymysto · 10-07-2003, 06:39 AM

Good guide there, arch13. This can be a very nice experience for both people involved. I love doing this with my wife, and it really helps get her wet enough for sex afterward.

Lunchbox7 · 10-07-2003, 09:22 AM

Just get her to teach you the way she likes it. She knows her body better than anyone and has a heap more practice. I have never come across a woman who can give a fraction of as a good a handjob than I can give myself. Ask her how she likes it. Get her to show you using your hand. You cant go wrong with that

Sleepyjack · 10-07-2003, 09:48 AM

make sure you suck your fingers, or they're wet before going in as well.
going in dry is a bit of a no-no.

Averett · 10-07-2003, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sleepyjack
going in dry is a bit of a no-no.

I wonder if my ex-boyfriend ever figured this out..... I tried and tried to tell him. He just never listened!

cas305 · 10-07-2003, 12:15 PM

wow nice guide...... I will be in line to buy the book!

arch13 · 10-07-2003, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oberon
There's plenty of threads on this in the past. Use the search button next time.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ht=cunnilingus

Well it's not fingering... but it gets her off just the same.

Now don't go making me write the guide on that as well!

withmuchcrap23 · 10-07-2003, 07:10 PM

Thanks. that is some good advice.

motdakasha · 10-07-2003, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oberon
Well it's not fingering... but it gets her off just the same.

I disagree.

World's King · 10-08-2003, 12:49 AM

If I could chow box and finger girls for the rest of my life I would be a very happy King.

The.Lunatic · 10-08-2003, 08:55 AM

Maybe i know what i'm talking about maybe i don't, but bassically when my ex girlfriend wasn't scitzo we had some damn good sex. Generally we'd be sitting talking in bed, and watching a movie or talking that kind of thing.

Then start making out.

Follow this by going up the shirt. Good tecnique there is as easy as just doing whatever you want to do.

Then pull her shirt off/unhook bra if shes wearing one

suck on nipples alternate between them and rub her down there a litte through the pants and go back to kissing every once in a while.

really suck on one of the nipples, and when it gets errect just rub your palm over it a bit.

She's wet now don't worry about it, and most likely more ready than ever to jump your bones.

However sometime in this you should get nekked to your nekked bodys together will ensure she's completly turned on. Throw some covers over your if its in the winter don't want to get cold

Anyways then masage clit a little ( i don't like doing this cause the damn thing is a bitch to find )

Then go down on her. Lick the clit don't stick your tounge inside it tastes like pennys, and isn't that great. However you can stick your fingers inside when you are going down on her.

This will rule her. when she gets really close to orgasm i can always tell be cause her g-spot gets all swollen, and kind of rough let off with the tounge and go crazy with your 1 or 2 fingers in there. She'll go off crazy like. Its pretty easy to tell because the g-spot gets a pulse of blood, and then unswells i guess. anyways after that i'm usually rock ass hard, and i pat the g-spot a few times and hold it as it unswells. Then i got up to kissing her if she hasn't already grabbed me and forced me into kissing her.

By this time she's so fucking horney that she'd probobally rape you if you denied her sex so just go with it. I ususally let her go ontop. Because i can't cum like that dunno why i just can't. Sometimes she can but not very often. When i get down to business though its guranteed. Somehow i dunno phermones in the air body temperatures sounds whatever she knows when i'm going to come because she alwasys does about 5-10 seconds before i do, and after the aftershocks are done we just lay there for about 5 min holding eachother, then go again. ( i'm only 19 damn thing just won't go down )

yournamehere · 10-08-2003, 10:00 AM

Here's a suggestion - since you say you're inexperienced.

All women are different, so here's a fool-proof way to make sure you're on the right track:

Place her hand on top of your hand and let her guide you - she'll let you know what she likes.
Just like a Ouija board

air45 · 10-08-2003, 11:12 AM

i am advice to you: astroglide!

the more you slippery, the more this feel good on the love button!

twotimesadingo · 10-08-2003, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yournamehere

Just like a Ouija board

Holy shit, I laughed so hard when I read this.

yournamehere has a darn good point, but she'll only do this if she's really comfortable.

It's probably unfair, but I equate your "inexperience" with your age, so I'm guessing you're not very old. Furthermore, I'm guessing that she's not too experienced either, which I again equate with a younger age...

This being the case, I'd say go with arch13's guide, as there won't be any awkward moments when you ask her to do something she may never have done before (or only rarely). Furthermore, it'll show her you like to take command in some situations, which I've been told is "insanely hot" by numerous females.

*edit* second post in 10 minutes in which I've displayed terrible grammar and spelling... What the hell is wrong with me?

shep729 · 08-19-2004, 12:43 PM

i tried your method and it seems to works thanks for the tips!

LondonsBurning · 08-19-2004, 01:47 PM

One tip. For hygiene purposes, if your a nail biter, stop. Keep your nails well trimmed and clean. Last thing you want is a hang nail scratching her up inside.

Mantus · 08-19-2004, 02:59 PM

Good guide arch13,

If I may add some tips of my own. This is just an example of what one can do. Use it as something to spark creativity and ideas. Yet the best ideas will come for your girl.

Clothing will be restrictive here, so do what you can.

Guys, don’t go right for the mark. Start by our rubbing her thighs, stroking her hips and groping her but. Do broad long strokes first such as moving your hand all the way from her thigh, past her hips up to her breasts and then back down again. Eventually start to focus around groin by rubbing her inner thighs.

As you hand finally makes it down there avoid the sweet spot. You want to tease her first. Play with her pubic area, soft strokes and rubbing work well here. Move your hand closer and rub the spot where her leg meets the groin. Move your hand up to the pubic area and back down to massage the other side.

All this doesn’t have to take long. A couple of strokes will do but anticipation works wonders for getting a girl aroused. Meanwhile kiss her neck, lips, breast or whatever you like if it feels right. Sometimes simply gazing into her eyes can have the same effect. Judge for yourself, every situation is differnt.

Once you reach her vulva don’t go inside yet tease her some more by rubbing the outside of it.

Now for the important part; place one finger just bellow her muffin (I believe the spot is called the perineum) and very softly stoke up so you barely even part her lips. Repeat the same stroke a couple of times going deeper each time. Don’t attempt to enter her just yet. If she is wet, you have done a great job If not don’t be discouraged. It just means you have to do some more petting, be patient, it will be worth it and it’s all good fun.

As you finger goes deeper between her lips your strokes will eventually leave you finger right on her clit at which point I hand over the reigns to arch13’s great guide.

A final word: the most common mistake guys make is over stimulation. The area is VERY sensitive when a girl is turned on and the softest strokes are often the best ones. Pay attention, ask qeustions and you should be great.

Have fun.

doncalypso · 08-19-2004, 06:36 PM

The only advice I can give is to go gently and not to neglect the clitoris.

ruggerp11 · 08-23-2004, 11:41 PM

from my experience its about anticipation and thouroughness. Start slowly pull on her lips and lightly touch her thighs. from there differs from woman to woman so play around gently. some like it hard others deep. Find a motion she likes and keep it up. Read her body language and you'll be fine!

yotta · 08-24-2004, 05:33 PM

My girlfriend really enjoys having her g spot rubbed. What I usualy do is use both hands, two fingers on one hand rubbing her g spot, and my other thumb rubbing her clit.

ruggerp11 · 08-25-2004, 09:33 AM

In case you don't know where that 'g-spot' is, try this. Insert one (or two) fingers palm side up into her. When your second knuckle is all the way in curl your fingers back toward her stomach. You should fell a rougher part of her vagina wall. That, typically is the 'g-spot.' Be gentle with it and try pushing on it instead of flailing your fingers all over the place. Good luck!

rider07 · 09-29-2004, 06:08 AM

hmm interesting

Aladdin Sane · 09-29-2004, 06:59 PM

Go what you think is slow, then slow down. Touch her in what you think is a soft manner, then make it softer. Take care with her clit--many are much too sensitive to take direct rubbing.

The human female is a mysterious and lovely creature, and no two enjoy exactly the same things. Take cues from her. Her body language will tell you when you are on the right track.

Cherrymo0n · 10-03-2004, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arch13

The last thing you want to do, is as mentioned just go shoving your fingers in. I'm going to assume you familiar with the female body at least somewhat (if your not then go study the tittie board).

1. Realize that a womans erotic zones encompass more than just her actuall vagina (ohhhhhh, steral terms) This should be something that is led up to with heavy kissing an petting. it's going to be less than half as enjoyable if she's not ready and wet.

2.As stated, flatten your fingers (usualy two will do nicely) and begine to massage the clitoris in a SLOW rotational manner. it's located at the top of her vagina inside several folds of skin. It's extremly senstive and won't come out to play until she's further aroused, so rub the folds of skin at the top gently.

3. pay attention to her breathing and body signs. subtly she's letting you know what feels good, you just have to listen for the no-verbal signs. ask her what feels good

4. realize that your hand is going to get tired the first time you do this. Deal with it. you don;t want to know how her neck feels after blowing you. increase the tempo ever so slightly as her breathing increases. again, use her breathing and the reactions of her body as signs to increase speed.

5. By the time you've got a reasonable speed going, she'll proabably be wondering when your going inside, but slightly delaying your ahhhhm "entrance" is going to make it all the better when you do.

6. keep your pointer finger on her clit, continuing to massage it, begine to use your middle finger and run it up and down the length of her vaginal lips, from bottom to top. you'll notice how wet she is almost immediatly but you need to spread that wetness all over her vagina and liberally coat your fingers with it before you can enter her.

7.after you feel that your finger is sufficiantly wet, use the tip of your middle finger and press it at the base of her vagina. slide it gently in to your first joint and then slowley back out. just like with the clit, you need to pick up tempo slowly. The faster the tempo, the more you slide into her.

8. Go with your gut. get her feedback. do as little or as much as you think she'd like. Pay attention to her and the way's she likes this done will begin to show with practice.

Above all else remember that it's her body, so she call the shots on what happens to it.

Enjoy yourselves kids.

and just how old are you by the way?

I just wanted to say "good job" you really turned me on! Now I'm going to take a nice shower...

Orpheus · 10-05-2004, 03:36 PM

I just wanted to thank the thread's author for prompting arch13's reply...whether the question posed was genuine or not is besides the point (if not, that was very well done my friend).

10-04-2003, 11:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
withmuchcrap23 Upright	fingering Hey...I know...I'm inexperianced...whats the best way to go about this...techniques and whatnot.

10-05-2003, 12:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	There's plenty of threads on this in the past. Use the search button next time. http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ht=cunnilingus Well it's not fingering... but it gets her off just the same. __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

10-06-2003, 10:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
arch13 Loves my girl in thongs Location: North of Mexico, South of Canada	ok, here goes.... The last thing you want to do, is as mentioned just go shoving your fingers in. I'm going to assume you familiar with the female body at least somewhat (if your not then go study the tittie board). 1. Realize that a womans erotic zones encompass more than just her actuall vagina (ohhhhhh, steral terms) This should be something that is led up to with heavy kissing an petting. it's going to be less than half as enjoyable if she's not ready and wet. 2.As stated, flatten your fingers (usualy two will do nicely) and begine to massage the clitoris in a SLOW rotational manner. it's located at the top of her vagina inside several folds of skin. It's extremly senstive and won't come out to play until she's further aroused, so rub the folds of skin at the top gently. 3. pay attention to her breathing and body signs. subtly she's letting you know what feels good, you just have to listen for the no-verbal signs. ask her what feels good 4. realize that your hand is going to get tired the first time you do this. Deal with it. you don;t want to know how her neck feels after blowing you. increase the tempo ever so slightly as her breathing increases. again, use her breathing and the reactions of her body as signs to increase speed. 5. By the time you've got a reasonable speed going, she'll proabably be wondering when your going inside, but slightly delaying your ahhhhm "entrance" is going to make it all the better when you do. 6. keep your pointer finger on her clit, continuing to massage it, begine to use your middle finger and run it up and down the length of her vaginal lips, from bottom to top. you'll notice how wet she is almost immediatly but you need to spread that wetness all over her vagina and liberally coat your fingers with it before you can enter her. 7.after you feel that your finger is sufficiantly wet, use the tip of your middle finger and press it at the base of her vagina. slide it gently in to your first joint and then slowley back out. just like with the clit, you need to pick up tempo slowly. The faster the tempo, the more you slide into her. 8. Go with your gut. get her feedback. do as little or as much as you think she'd like. Pay attention to her and the way's she likes this done will begin to show with practice. Above all else remember that it's her body, so she call the shots on what happens to it. Enjoy yourselves kids. and just how old are you by the way? __________________ Seen on an employer evaluation: "The wheel is turning but the hamsters dead" ____________________________ Is arch13 really a porn diety ? find out after the film at 11. -Nanofever

10-06-2003, 11:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
jmoz18 Upright Location: TAMUK	umm ok __________________ "Bitch Maker, Heart Breaker"

10-07-2003, 06:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
johnnymysto Overreactor Location: South Ca'lina	Good guide there, arch13. This can be a very nice experience for both people involved. I love doing this with my wife, and it really helps get her wet enough for sex afterward. __________________ "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request." - Capt. Barbossa

10-06-2003, 09:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
hparcins Upright	Well now, sometimes a chick is too hit to get some lick. My advice: don't just shove your finger in and out like every dude does the first dozen times. I'm pretty sure the chicks dig it when you put you flatten your fingers out and just rub away at her clit for a bit, as well. Then again, what do I know, it's not like I get laid every day or anything. That and I'm like totally gay.

10-07-2003, 09:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lunchbox7 Addict	Just get her to teach you the way she likes it. She knows her body better than anyone and has a heap more practice. I have never come across a woman who can give a fraction of as a good a handjob than I can give myself. Ask her how she likes it. Get her to show you using your hand. You cant go wrong with that

10-07-2003, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sleepyjack Fast'n'Bulbous Location: Australia, Perth	make sure you suck your fingers, or they're wet before going in as well. going in dry is a bit of a no-no.

10-07-2003, 12:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
cas305 Insane Location: Indiana	wow nice guide...... I will be in line to buy the book!

10-07-2003, 07:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
withmuchcrap23 Upright	Thanks. that is some good advice.

10-08-2003, 12:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	If I could chow box and finger girls for the rest of my life I would be a very happy King. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

10-08-2003, 08:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
The.Lunatic Psycho Location: Somewhere just beyond the realm of sanity...	Maybe i know what i'm talking about maybe i don't, but bassically when my ex girlfriend wasn't scitzo we had some damn good sex. Generally we'd be sitting talking in bed, and watching a movie or talking that kind of thing. Then start making out. Follow this by going up the shirt. Good tecnique there is as easy as just doing whatever you want to do. Then pull her shirt off/unhook bra if shes wearing one suck on nipples alternate between them and rub her down there a litte through the pants and go back to kissing every once in a while. really suck on one of the nipples, and when it gets errect just rub your palm over it a bit. She's wet now don't worry about it, and most likely more ready than ever to jump your bones. However sometime in this you should get nekked to your nekked bodys together will ensure she's completly turned on. Throw some covers over your if its in the winter don't want to get cold Anyways then masage clit a little ( i don't like doing this cause the damn thing is a bitch to find ) Then go down on her. Lick the clit don't stick your tounge inside it tastes like pennys, and isn't that great. However you can stick your fingers inside when you are going down on her. This will rule her. when she gets really close to orgasm i can always tell be cause her g-spot gets all swollen, and kind of rough let off with the tounge and go crazy with your 1 or 2 fingers in there. She'll go off crazy like. Its pretty easy to tell because the g-spot gets a pulse of blood, and then unswells i guess. anyways after that i'm usually rock ass hard, and i pat the g-spot a few times and hold it as it unswells. Then i got up to kissing her if she hasn't already grabbed me and forced me into kissing her. By this time she's so fucking horney that she'd probobally rape you if you denied her sex so just go with it. I ususally let her go ontop. Because i can't cum like that dunno why i just can't. Sometimes she can but not very often. When i get down to business though its guranteed. Somehow i dunno phermones in the air body temperatures sounds whatever she knows when i'm going to come because she alwasys does about 5-10 seconds before i do, and after the aftershocks are done we just lay there for about 5 min holding eachother, then go again. ( i'm only 19 damn thing just won't go down ) __________________ Proud memeber of the Insomniac Club.

10-08-2003, 10:00 AM	#16 (permalink)
yournamehere Invisible Location: tentative, at best	Here's a suggestion - since you say you're inexperienced. All women are different, so here's a fool-proof way to make sure you're on the right track: Place her hand on top of your hand and let her guide you - she'll let you know what she likes. Just like a Ouija board __________________ If you want to avoid 95% of internet spelling errors: "If your ridiculous pants are too loose, you're definitely going to lose them. Tell your two loser friends over there that they're going to lose theirs, too." It won't hurt your fashion sense, either.

10-08-2003, 11:12 AM	#17 (permalink)
air45 Loser Location: Midwest	i am advice to you: astroglide! the more you slippery, the more this feel good on the love button!

08-19-2004, 12:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
shep729 Upright	i tried your method and it seems to works thanks for the tips!

09-29-2004, 06:08 AM	#26 (permalink)
rider07 Upright	hmm interesting

08-19-2004, 01:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
LondonsBurning Upright	One tip. For hygiene purposes, if your a nail biter, stop. Keep your nails well trimmed and clean. Last thing you want is a hang nail scratching her up inside.

08-19-2004, 02:59 PM	#21 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	Good guide arch13, If I may add some tips of my own. This is just an example of what one can do. Use it as something to spark creativity and ideas. Yet the best ideas will come for your girl. Clothing will be restrictive here, so do what you can. Guys, don’t go right for the mark. Start by our rubbing her thighs, stroking her hips and groping her but. Do broad long strokes first such as moving your hand all the way from her thigh, past her hips up to her breasts and then back down again. Eventually start to focus around groin by rubbing her inner thighs. As you hand finally makes it down there avoid the sweet spot. You want to tease her first. Play with her pubic area, soft strokes and rubbing work well here. Move your hand closer and rub the spot where her leg meets the groin. Move your hand up to the pubic area and back down to massage the other side. All this doesn’t have to take long. A couple of strokes will do but anticipation works wonders for getting a girl aroused. Meanwhile kiss her neck, lips, breast or whatever you like if it feels right. Sometimes simply gazing into her eyes can have the same effect. Judge for yourself, every situation is differnt. Once you reach her vulva don’t go inside yet tease her some more by rubbing the outside of it. Now for the important part; place one finger just bellow her muffin (I believe the spot is called the perineum) and very softly stoke up so you barely even part her lips. Repeat the same stroke a couple of times going deeper each time. Don’t attempt to enter her just yet. If she is wet, you have done a great job If not don’t be discouraged. It just means you have to do some more petting, be patient, it will be worth it and it’s all good fun. As you finger goes deeper between her lips your strokes will eventually leave you finger right on her clit at which point I hand over the reigns to arch13’s great guide. A final word: the most common mistake guys make is over stimulation. The area is VERY sensitive when a girl is turned on and the softest strokes are often the best ones. Pay attention, ask qeustions and you should be great. Have fun.

08-19-2004, 06:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
doncalypso TFP Mad Scientist Location: Philadelphia, PA	The only advice I can give is to go gently and not to neglect the clitoris. __________________ Doncalypso... the one and only Haitian Sensation

08-23-2004, 11:41 PM	#23 (permalink)
ruggerp11 Cautiously soaring Location: exploring my new home in SF	from my experience its about anticipation and thouroughness. Start slowly pull on her lips and lightly touch her thighs. from there differs from woman to woman so play around gently. some like it hard others deep. Find a motion she likes and keep it up. Read her body language and you'll be fine! __________________ Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain Do What makes you happy --Me BUT! "Happiness is the absence of the striving for happiness" - Chuang-Tzu

08-24-2004, 05:33 PM	#24 (permalink)
yotta Irresponsible	My girlfriend really enjoys having her g spot rubbed. What I usualy do is use both hands, two fingers on one hand rubbing her g spot, and my other thumb rubbing her clit. __________________ I am Jack's signature.

08-25-2004, 09:33 AM	#25 (permalink)
ruggerp11 Cautiously soaring Location: exploring my new home in SF	In case you don't know where that 'g-spot' is, try this. Insert one (or two) fingers palm side up into her. When your second knuckle is all the way in curl your fingers back toward her stomach. You should fell a rougher part of her vagina wall. That, typically is the 'g-spot.' Be gentle with it and try pushing on it instead of flailing your fingers all over the place. Good luck! __________________ Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain Do What makes you happy --Me BUT! "Happiness is the absence of the striving for happiness" - Chuang-Tzu

09-29-2004, 06:59 PM	#27 (permalink)
Aladdin Sane Degenerate Location: San Marvelous	Go what you think is slow, then slow down. Touch her in what you think is a soft manner, then make it softer. Take care with her clit--many are much too sensitive to take direct rubbing. The human female is a mysterious and lovely creature, and no two enjoy exactly the same things. Take cues from her. Her body language will tell you when you are on the right track. __________________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

10-05-2004, 03:36 PM	#29 (permalink)
Orpheus Upright Location: Los Angeles, CA	I just wanted to thank the thread's author for prompting arch13's reply...whether the question posed was genuine or not is besides the point (if not, that was very well done my friend).