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Legalizing Prostitution
First off, I've already looked up the older threads in accordance to the word "prostitution" and havn't found a topic directly related to my question that's coming up.
I have to write a 5 to 15 page essay on a Sex-Related topic/issue, I chose Prostitution (if you havn't guessed by the title), it's about legalizing it. What I seek in relevance to this thread is ideals from different individuals, and numbers (for minute unpolished statistics). Also, if you could help me clean up my Thesis that would be great. Thesis: Legalizing and promoting regulated Prostitution is beneficial to the person(s) involved, the Province/State and over all societal structures in the bend. (keep in mind the teacher for this subject isn't "anal" and hasn't set a standard for keeping it grammatically correct, structured appropriately, and so on. He's open minded to thoughts that progress beyond what's infront of everyday life. I'm pretty much saying, my essay doesn't have to sparkle, it just needs to look nice, and be qualified as 'actual research'. I doubt he's even going to read it word for word. Still, I like these things done well.) so A: In your opinion should prostitution be legalized (regulated)? - A simple yes or no, and a one to two sentence answer would be perfect. B: Morally, would legalized prostitution be acceptable? (on the basis, the women/men involved are physically safe, protected from exploitation, and so on) - A simple yes or no, and a one to two sentence answer would be perfect. C: What are the pro/cons to legalizing regulated prostitution? I hope I didn't make any of the 3 questions biased. Also if you want to discuss the questions and thread further, please do so in a paragraph after the questions, that way it keeps it easy for me to assess, and you can discuss to your hearts content.
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B: Eventually, yes. See same answer as for above. C: Pro: safer for the women involved for many reasons. For the people about to post who oppose prostitution I ask this: why would an act that is otherwise legal and socially accepted (consensual sex between adults) be vilified by the simple exchange of money? |
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A: Yes. Same answer as Coppertop.. if they want to do it, who are we to say they can't?
B: Yes, but I'm not religious, so it depends if you connect morals to religion. Pro: It happens anyway, so if you legalise it safety standards will hopefully increase - people won't have to hide it as much (no fear of being arrested) |
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A) sure why not
B) The catholic church used to allow it as an acceptical sin C) Pros people can buy sex if they want Cons still risky IMO But, this isn't my cup of tea, so to say. I won't be doing it anytime soon. But I do not think that it happens so lets make it legal is a real argument. |
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In your opinion should prostitution be legalized (regulated)? Yes. It's legal for someone to buy a woman a drink in a bar, then take her home (assuming she agrees) for a fantastic one night stand. How's that any different? B: Morally, would legalized prostitution be acceptable? (on the basis, the women/men involved are physically safe, protected from exploitation, and so on) It's never really been acceptable for a person to be very sexually active, so I don't think it'd ever be something you could just bring up with at the family table or anything. C: What are the pro/cons to legalizing regulated prostitution? I'd have to say health related issues. STDs, especially. Sterilization of people, devices, whatever.. There would have to be some kind of system to make sure people are checked fairly often for diseases, and... that would be very complicated. Now, if they could come up with something that detects immediately.. prick your finger, get some blood, list off any diseases you may have, then it probably won't be a problem.
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I don't support legalization of prostitution because of its link to the human slave trade.
If someone could address that aspect for me, I would change my mind.
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B: I have to answer this two ways. Yes, legalizing prostitution is morally acceptable on that basis. No, legal prostitution is not morally acceptable on that basis. I approve of the legalization, but not of the activity. (Oddly enough, you won't find me applying that reasoning to abortion.) C: Pros: People of the Law concerned with this practice will be freed up to work in other areas which may be in need of help. Increased personal freedom. Cons: Most likely an increase in this often dangerous, virtually always immoral act. It might become more socially acceptable.
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I will address this for you.
Prostitution is not a forced profession. It has been with us for an extremely long time, and is respected as a form of employment in many cultures, or so is my understanding. The primary dissent in our culture is derived from Christian Values, and has little bearing on the base morality of the profession as a whole. Should one decide to undertake this form of employment, it is of ones own volition, and is generally not due to having no choice in the matter. Slavery, was and is a forceful removal of the rights of an individual, rather than an exercise of these rights.
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As wives became more important, their displeasure of the men philandering increased to the point they were able to effect the practice. For a culture at large, prostitution leads to wide spread venereal disease and as such any 'moral' ban would be rooted in good public health. As a profession, I have no problem with it, moral issues do not concern me, but it is only lately we can claim that we can also monitor the problem of venereal disease.
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Were you addressing this to me? I should have been more explicit, I thought everyone knew that prostitution accounts for over 2 million women and children being enslaved and smuggled internationally. It's been in the news for the past decade. Very few of our US prostitutes are consenting adults. Even the bulk of those are impoverished, beaten, and controlled by violent men. Young girls comprise a large segment of our prostitution population. They aren't consenting, and they aren't adults. Most often they are tricked by dreams of opportunity and sucked into a life of drug dependency. The bulk of our prostitutes are enslaved women and children from other countries. They pour into our nation by the tens of thousands every year at the hands of crime syndicates who either promise citizenship and stable employment or snatch them from their villages. I should also add that in no case that I know of do prostitutes have control over their money. They work for others--so I take issue with the notion that women and men singularly exhange money and relating this to some sort of contractual agreement. The money either goes to the slave traders, pimps, or Madame.
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Its much like the arguments about legalizing narcotics, and of the two I think prostitution being legal is far 'safer' for society.
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There is no reason legalization of the sex trade would stop slavery and smuggling because the product would still be in demand. In fact, in places where it is legal, children prostitution is a huge problem--it hasn't gone away. But if someone has a reason as to why legalization would stop slavery and smuggling, I'd like to hear it. Just saying it will occur is not convincing to me. I have read the reasons people believe narcotics legalization would result in positive benefits. But keep in mind that rarely would one argue that drug use itself would dramatically decrease with legalization, only that we wouldn't be filling our prisons or having violence centered around drug turfs if it became legalized.
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Location: USA
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I oppose legalizing prostitution simply because I prefer not adding more energy to the continuing trends toward the commodification of the human being, human sexuality, and the politicalization of the personal. I don't make social policy. I express an individual opinion.
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While I think that for the most part, you are correct, I also think that there are more exceptions to the above than you may be aware of. There was just an article in my local paper (do they have "sweeps weeks?") regarding strippers and prostitutes. These days, there are so many internet ads for "escorts" that pimps or whatever are not as ubiquitous as in prior years. Simply put, the working girls don't need them as much. I also had difficulty seeing a direct connection between legalization and the slave trade. Yes, as you said, prostitution is linked to the slave trade, but I don't see legalization changing that for better or worse. |
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A: Prostitution would be safer, more sanitary, and economically more beneficial to the business, clients, and society as a whole due to regulations and tax revenue.
B: Morality is not an issue for me. Ethically, I see no reason to prohibit any person from doing something that he or she wants to do so long as it does not harm others in the process. A woman's vagina is her property, and if she wants to charge admission it's none of my business to tell her that she can't do that. C: Pros: -Reduction in sexual assaults thanks to legal outlets for pent up sexual energy -Reduction in stress when people have a legal way to relax (like a strip club, but better) -(Hopefully) the decline of our society's unhealthy taboos regarding sex -Decline in the human trafficking industry as an outlawed activity becomes a legal profession -Decline in organized crime as one of their large sources of income suddenly becomes mainstream and open to competition from all sides Cons: -Conflicts between those who still believe that sex is sacred and those who have no problem with indulging -Exploitation of low-income women who will be much more likely to turn to the sex industry as a way to make a quick buck Just like drugs, I'm pro-legalization, but realize that there is no perfect solution. |
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Also, those escort ads you are referring to--those are the ones I'm referring to that are brought over from Russia and Asia and forced into sex as an occupation to pay for their smuggling costs (HINT: they never manage to pay those debts off). The "working girls" as you put it are sex slaves within very organized crime syndicates. I'm hoping a LEO stumbles across this and can provide more information on how anti-prostitution sweeps help them get to the heart of the matter. The Law & Order episodes of junkies turning to sex are appalling in their own right, but the focus and energy is on the organized crime racket--not the local stripper going home with her favorite patron (which also apparently happens less frequently than people would like to believe--and I use like intentionally because somehow stripping and hooking turn out to be powerful male fantasies, but not particularly grounded in reality).
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Fate, since you appear to be Canadian, I thought you might find these canadian perspectives interesting.
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and here are a long list of links I googled: http://justicenetworkcanada.com/HUMAN.htm I hope your essay addressed this very real aspect of prostitution. Either to suggest ways to address it if legalization were to occur, or just that you recognize it as an issue that must be weighed in the equation.
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But if you are arguing that regulation would reduce human exploitation and slavery, I'd like to hear the details. I would be pretty surprised to hear many people advocating stringent regulation, however. How would the police determine who was legally here as opposed to smuggled in? The resources to create a regulating agency would be enormous, but how do they conduct regular inspections without wholesale violation of what our nation believes to be its right against governmental infringement of privacy? I'd be interested in hearing how jons would feel about periodic 'inspections.' All other cases of regulation by the government that I have heard center around the notion that government involvment results in subsidized activity or price-controlled behavior. Why would this be any different than regulating airlines, energy, or pharma corps?
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The following is a longer article, so I hope people go to it and read it in its entirety so we can continue commenting on this aspect. Quote:
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Location: Padded Playhouse
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Sure why not. I view it like drugs, those that would do it, or a large majority of them, are already doing.
I think very few people would like to try it, but arent because its illegal... So people that WILL do it ARE doing it. IMHO. |
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I still have yet to see you answer my question in my first post (if indeed you oppose it on moral grounds): why does the simple exchange of money make an otherwise socially accepted act immoral? If you oppose it only on the grounds that it would lead to increased slavery, well, I just don't see that happening in a well regulated industry. It certainly would be an improvement over what we have now. |
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Getting Medieval on your ass
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Ok, I read the two articles provided. I don't see the direct correlation between legalized prostitution and slavery. Look at it this way: prostitution happens now, already. It is here, it ain't going away. We need to think about what we can do to help the women who are in the industry to regain control of their lives. All I've heard form you is to leave them where they're at. Which means with the pimps. What's your solution if not legalization?
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In your opinion should prostitution be legalized (regulated)?
- A simple yes or no, and a one to two sentence answer would be perfect. Yes, it should be legalized, regulated and taxed. B: Morally, would legalized prostitution be acceptable? (on the basis, the women/men involved are physically safe, protected from exploitation, and so on) - A simple yes or no, and a one to two sentence answer would be perfect. Prostitution is going to happen, in some form or another, no matter what. If it's legal it's easier to keep people safe. C: What are the pro/cons to legalizing regulated prostitution? You can tax it, you can keep people safe, you can hopefully limit the spreading of disease. |
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The adult film is self-regulated, but what does that even have to do with the topic? I know you want it regulated in the US. Why are you using an example like a diner? The police don't need to raid diners in order to see if they are in compliance. Maybe if illegal diners were around, that analogy would make sense. But they aren't, however, so you still need to explain how police or a regulating body would be able to differentiate between legal prostitutes and illegal ones without random raids on brothels. And yes, jons are not going to appreciate being raided. Eating at a diner while it's inspected is not likely to ruin a marriage or create tension at home. I really hope others reading this realize how ludicrious the analogy was. Obviously, the articles aren't about what would happen in the US, because it isn't legal here. Yet, they examine two places where it is regulated and legal, yet slavery and exploitation have increased. You can't see the correlation between the two? You don't see it as a large problem in the US? I can't help you, then. The articles made the connection more than clear. I also already pointed out that the sex slave trade is a huge business in the US. If you want to refuse to believe the fact of the matter, whatever. It's becoming apparent that you want to be able to buy sex, your position has little respect for the women you want to buy sex from.
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As far as the comment about it leading to more slavery, the article(s) also cite that policing the sex trade is lax. Prohibition doesn't work. Read up on its history sometime. And I note you still have yet to offer a single solution to what you obviously consider a problem. All you have is negativity for what solutions others have presented. You also have yet to answer my question posted above. This is the thrid time I'll ask it: why does the simple exchange of money make an otherwise socially accepted act immoral? |
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Location: University of Maryland
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What is the situation in Nevada, where prostitution is legal? Is trafficking a major problem there?
I think prostitution should be legal. There could be a voluntary cerfication program where a women shows she is clean of STDs and a legal adult, and in response she gets a little card that says so. Coupled with modifying the focus of vice squads to illegal activities such as child prostitution and trafficking, and things work out. At least in my eyes.
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Location: California
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A: No, because it harms society as a whole, especially women.
B: Prostitution is pretty clearly immoral, but it depends on the moral standard being used. The perception of prostitutes as resourceful entrepreneurs is horribly false. Most prostitutes are controlled and sold by pimps. In prostitution, women are exploited and taken advantage of. It amounts to a slave trade, and legalizing it would worsen the situation of impoverished women, rather than provide an economic opportunity. |
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