aliali

If you really want to know, here it is. It is believed that the President moved quickly following 911 to confront the enemy who in restrospect has been at war with us for about 25 years. He understood the threat and the losses that would come with inaction. He correctly stated that are enemy includes those who wage terrorism, those that fund it, and those that knowingly harbor terrorists. He identified not just Al Qaeda as the enemy (if you doubt that they are the enemy, you can read their training manuals--http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm), but also the Taliban. Even though many disagree with the invasion, and many said it couldn't work (see Russia, circa 1979), and others still called it a quagmire after only few days, most believe that the invasion was a success and severly limited the operational ability of the enemy--even though UBL was not captured. He went after the financial resources of the enemy and his agencies have been vigilant in securing funds bound for terrorist activities. He has won the cooperation of a number of nations, including Pakistan, which was not easy to do and has been valuable. He has convinced Libya to stop development of WMDs and nukes. He has remade a large portion of the federal government to create the dept. of homeland security. He has provided more funding for intelligence and torn down barriers that impeded the sharing of necessary information between agencies. It is believed that the federal gov't has busted several terrorist cells between our shores and on many others. It is believed that several attacks have been thwarted. After 911 he told us that any failures would be immediately known, but that successes would not be. It's fair to say we don't know about all of the successes. We do know that 911 was a spectacular success for UBL and he and his have been trying to exceed it every day since. There are those that believe that instead of bombs, airplanes, or wmds, all UBL was able to send us this election (and since 911) was a videotape. Those who would have been killed had W. not acted will never know the true impact of the federal governments efforts to stop terrorism. He promised after 911 that he would not waiver, would not relent, and would not forget. He has made mistakes, but has not broken that promise.

My point is not to argue the details of every sub-issue above, but that there are those, whether right wing or not, who believe it. Discounting it or acting like W. is just a liar who isn't even trying or making statements like we gave up the search for UBL may make you feel better when talking to your smart left-thinking friends, but I don't know what else it accomplishes.

aliali

Al Gore got 48% of the vote in 2000. And yes, he lost.

The right has everything. The presidency, the congress, the governerships, some say the supreme court. It may not have been an ass-kicking of JFKerry, but it was a significant part of the thorough ass-kicking that has been going on for 10 years now. I'm not happy about what happened, particulary in my state, but to sit here and start telling the right how it has to characterize its ascendency doesn't make any sense to me.

kutulu

lol, duh... Gore.

How are your property rights being infringed?

As to hiring and firing are you saying you SHOULD be allowed to not hire people based on sex and color? That view is archaic and outdated. People are free to hate minorities all they want, however they are not permitted to make that influence their hiring practices.

There are thousands of private schools. If you don't like the trend in public schools, take your kid to private school.

Multiple wives: It's not just the Dems who are against that. Lol, you can bash gay marriage but support plural marriage. Nice "morals"

psyday

My father is a hardcore republican, I've found that it's easier to not even discuss politics around him at all. It makes for much more enjoyable visits. He pretty much buys into the party line hook line and sinker. Drives me nuts. :P

Pacifier

thats as ridiculus as the claim the reagan smashed russia singlehanded.
Libya was "tame" for some time already...

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aliali

My property rights are infringed by democrat supported taxes, limitations on sale, land use restrictions, easements, lots of ways

There are many other democrat supported ways of limiting who I can and cannot hire and fire other than sex and color. I agree that hiring based upon color and sex is wrong, archaic and outdated. The policies supported by democrats are those that impose such hiring practices.

There are thousands of private schools, yes, but the democrats require that I pay for the public ones even if I don't like them. If I have a certain budget to educate my children and the government requires a full allotment of that money through taxes to a school I don't like, I'm out of luck. Most democrats do not support voucher plans that provide choice. After I'm taxed on my property and income and for SS and for medicare and pay local taxes, there may not be a lot left. Its kind of easy for a democrat to just say, hey you got choices man. I guess I'm wrong for feeling squeezed.

I don't bash gay marriage or support polygamy. Please read more closely. I'm just asking what the difference is if we are going to be calling marriage a right.

aliali

What do you mean Reagan did not smash the russians single handly? Am I not getting the right talking points? This is very disturbing news to me.

just kidding. don't yell at me.

ravenradiodj

Don't you think it's significant that "THE MOST LIBERAL MAN IN THE SENATE" got at least 48% of the people in the country to vote for him? Doesn't that tell you Republicans anything? Or is it just that you're right, everyone else is wrong, and you don't give a damn what half of your neighbors think? Oh, I get it, we're minorities now, and we know how you all feel about minorities.

For many links to the many problems with the vote count, go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

If there's no paper trail to double check votes on an electronic voting machine, how can you put any faith in its accuracy, especially when the president of Diebold, the company that makes the machines, promises publicly to deliver Ohio to Bush?

A government that cannot prove the integrity of its elections has no legal right to tax you, or force you to obey any of its laws.

gcbrowni

Do you ofton read anti-semetic sites full of foolish nonsence?

The mossad killed Van Gogh? Really?

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ravenradiodj

There's a vast difference between being anti-semitic and anti-ZIONIST. Religious extremists of ANY faith are to be watched. The whole "WE are God's chosen people and the rest of you can kiss our asses or smolder in hell" attitude that's used to justify murder is wrong coming from any group, even the Zionists. I have Holocuast survivors - and liberators - in my family, don't dream of calling me anti-semitic.

More Ohio voter suppression info: http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php

This isn't going to go away anytime soon, you Bushistas might as well deal with it.

mrbuck12000

Things i hate hearing from the Right:

Where is Iraq???

mrb

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jcookc6

remember the old expression "Shoot the Messenger"

cbr9racr

To all the Hillary lovers, look up her past views on policy issues. Her plans for healthcare was absolutely crazy. She is one scary radical who is hiding it to gain power in New York, waiting for her day to come FREAK OUT with her real policies.