Lack of Minorities in Media - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Soggybagel · 10-13-2003, 09:31 PM

I just want to point out that while this has been said before many times, I find it funny how on TV and in Movies minorities are still being represented rather unfairly.

On tv its certainly getting better than years ago and African Americans on tv have been getting their own shows as well as appearing on ensemble style casts. My question though is where the hell are all the asians?

I know for a fact there are many asians out there in Hollywood and the likes trying to get jobs but they typically get thrown into typecasted roles. I'm not saying that asians need to be everywhere...but thinking of some random current films, couldn't one of the random white guys just have easily been a asian guy/gal? I just wish there were more roles with asians in it that didn't always have to involve kung fu or the like. Growing up as a asian american its not like I had a lot people to indentify with at all.

Just wondering what all you folks opinions are...because I love having a good discussion...and this is one of the few forums which that can get done in.

Sledge · 10-13-2003, 09:57 PM

The buzz is that the age of Asian celebrities is due in less than one generation.

Every wave of immigrants has followed a pattern: the first generation is stuck with the shitty jobs; in the second, they enter the professional workforce; in the third, they break into mainstream media. We've been through our laundromat stage, then our doctors 'n' engineers stage - soon we should see an emergence of Asian-American celebrities.

Or so says an Asian sociologist here at Brown. I don't know if I'm that optimistic about it. Be nice, though. In the past year of American theater there was the mildly successful Better Luck Tomorrow, which, amazingly, has nothing at all to do with mystical dragon fu. And boystars like Rick Yoon are making their way out of the woodwork. You could maybe interpret them as the first heralds of the new age.

What I'd really like to see is a megapopular Asian pop star here, like what Jay Chou is to China and Taiwan.

phredgreen · 10-13-2003, 10:09 PM

i'm gonna be un-pc and perhaps a bit rude for a moment. bear with me.

oh my holy god. let's bitch and moan because i don't feel like my television shows (simply 22 minute filler for advertisements being played at intervals) aren't making sure everyone's getting fair coverage. i simply don't feel like it's our duty as americans and patriots to make sure that there is the demanded percentage of each individual minorty out there. it boggles my damn mind when i see commercials with groups of people, and the admakers are painfully careful that every possible standpoint, in terms of race, sex, and orientation, is completely represented to make sure that it appeals to anybody who might be unfortunate enough to watch them shill for whatever useless garbage you simply must have. let's face it. television shows are made for the buying public, so the advertisers will be able to get their names placed somewhere inbetween the shows that draw the highest viewerships. they shill for the majority. it's the cold hard truth.

so let's consider a few shows that have gone against this grain to try to appeal to an ethnic audience. shows that have so many corny jokes about how the man keeps them down or about how their specific racial quirk somehow affected their everyday situations, and about how damn funny/tragic/ironic that was for them. most shows like that are garbage, made by out of work writers dipping down into the dumps for a few bucks while they beg for the latest flavor of the month director to read their "life-changing, oscar winning" manuscript.

i'm sick of watching politically correct television. if people want to create a quality show, viewers will flock to it. they shouldn't have to force it upon the viewing public with multimilliondollar advertising campaigns to make sure people will be glued to theiur couches so they can find out for themselves just how crappy it really is.

an edit, just so i can clarify what i'm saying.

when people of whatever ethnicity or creed start making quality, people will go to see it. except for very select segments of the general public, people don't give a flying fuxor if an actor/actress/show/movie is asian, black, hispanic, gay. straight, or otherwise tilted. if it's good, people will watch it. if it's garbage, it will be ignored and forgotten. you want to see more minorities? get more minorities making quality, watchable media.

Soggybagel · 10-13-2003, 10:10 PM

You bring up a interesting point. Though to be quite honest, one movie that had all lead asian characters and was hardly what I call a smashing success, though you are right that the fact that it even existed is good.

Sledge · 10-13-2003, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phredgreen
except for very select segments of the general public, people don't give a flying fuxor if an actor/actress/show/movie is asian, black, hispanic, gay. straight, or otherwise tilted.

Phred, I think I'd agree with you if I had more faith in America's taste. If I believed that the great majority of our population were neither racist nor heterocentric, you'd be absolutely right.

But the buying public is not that discriminating, and I think it's naive to go in with the attitude that everything is fair to everyone and that talent alone decides success.

I find it hard to believe that the only reason for the dearth of Asian-American celebrities is that Asian-Americans aren't making "quality, watchable media."

/bitching and moaning

jwoody · 10-14-2003, 03:24 AM

I read this article some time ago, it seems relevant.

Quote:

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...lm/3135147.stm

Acting roles for minorities increase
The number of roles for black and Latino actors in the US increased during 2002 in a record year for ethnic minority artists, according to a report.
Along with Asian-Pacific islanders and native Americans, they accounted for almost a quarter of all theatrical and TV roles - up 2.1% on 2001, the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) said.
Black actors accounted for 15.5% of all roles - exceeding the black population of the US which stands at nearly 13%.
Latinos, who account for 13.6% of the population, were cast in 6% of roles, particularly TV series.
SAG president Melissa Gilbert said: "We look forward to the day when all of the employment statistics truly reflect the American scene in realistic and positive ways."
Kweisi Mfume, president and chief executive of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said although the figures were encouraging there was still a long way to go.
However, Alex Nogales, president of the National Hispanic Media Coalition, said he was not satisfied with the progress of Latino artists.
"It's better than it has been, so I guess we should be a little bit grateful," he said.
"But if you consider how far they have to go to be equitable with us, I still have to be strong about the fact that for us, it's been generations of actors we've lost because we haven't been able to find employment."
US TV network CBS agreed that there was "still much progress to be made on diversity".

I did want to say something constructive but all I could think of was 'Don't concentrate on the finger....'

Jesus Pimp · 10-14-2003, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phredgreen
people don't give a flying fuxor if an actor/actress/show/movie is asian, black, hispanic, gay. straight, or otherwise tilted. if it's good, people will watch it. if it's garbage, it will be ignored and forgotten. you want to see more minorities? get more minorities making quality, watchable media.

You wouldn't understand because you're a white guy. A lot of white people could care less. It's not their problem. I don't want to see minorities I want to see variety. There just isn't much on tv right now. It's slowly getting there but it's going to be a while. <rant> Being asian and growin up in all white surburban town, went to predominately white school, and seeing mostly white tv shows, I'm personally sick of seeing white people all the time on tv. </rant> BTW I have many white people and we joke about this all the time.

Soggybagle, check out my similar thread from a while ago: http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....ight=diversity

Darkblack · 10-14-2003, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phredgreen
i'm gonna be un-pc and perhaps a bit rude for a moment. bear with me.

oh my holy god. let's bitch and moan because i don't feel like my television shows (simply 22 minute filler for advertisements being played at intervals) aren't making sure everyone's getting fair coverage. i simply don't feel like it's our duty as americans and patriots to make sure that there is the demanded percentage of each individual minorty out there. it boggles my damn mind when i see commercials with groups of people, and the admakers are painfully careful that every possible standpoint, in terms of race, sex, and orientation, is completely represented to make sure that it appeals to anybody who might be unfortunate enough to watch them shill for whatever useless garbage you simply must have. let's face it. television shows are made for the buying public, so the advertisers will be able to get their names placed somewhere inbetween the shows that draw the highest viewerships. they shill for the majority. it's the cold hard truth.

so let's consider a few shows that have gone against this grain to try to appeal to an ethnic audience. shows that have so many corny jokes about how the man keeps them down or about how their specific racial quirk somehow affected their everyday situations, and about how damn funny/tragic/ironic that was for them. most shows like that are garbage, made by out of work writers dipping down into the dumps for a few bucks while they beg for the latest flavor of the month director to read their "life-changing, oscar winning" manuscript.

i'm sick of watching politically correct television. if people want to create a quality show, viewers will flock to it. they shouldn't have to force it upon the viewing public with multimilliondollar advertising campaigns to make sure people will be glued to theiur couches so they can find out for themselves just how crappy it really is.

an edit, just so i can clarify what i'm saying.

when people of whatever ethnicity or creed start making quality, people will go to see it. except for very select segments of the general public, people don't give a flying fuxor if an actor/actress/show/movie is asian, black, hispanic, gay. straight, or otherwise tilted. if it's good, people will watch it. if it's garbage, it will be ignored and forgotten. you want to see more minorities? get more minorities making quality, watchable media.

Okay, So if everyone on every show you watched was black, would you be ok with that? Every now and then they throw in a geeky white guy with a pocket protector that can't seem to get any women and doesn't have any style at all. Would you be ok with that?

If you say yes I would have to pull the bs card out and drop it on the table. Everyone wants to watch shows they can identify with. There are a few Hispanic shows coming out this year and I would hope to see a couple Asian and middle eastern ones to follow in the seasons to come.

Midlandmadman · 10-14-2003, 07:38 AM

You know, I almost always stay away from treads like these cause...

1. I am a white dude and most of this stuff dosen't relate to me.
2. If I voice my opinion the reaction would be like Jesus Pimp said..."you wouldn't know your a white guy."

... but, I am gonna throw my 2 cents in this.

1. The whole politically correct thing can suck my ass. I would rather have people say what the fuck they believe so I know what type of person they are...... If you think I am a fucking cracker... say it. Then I know you don't like me... fine. I can deal with this. But the PC crap thats even more dumb than the race stuff is the whole Fire-person or police-person. HOLY FUCK !!!!!!! its a policeman!!!!!!! and as far a PC goes... who likes politicians???? no one.... why would you wanna be correct like one???

2. When I hear arguments like the one that started this post... "We need more asians in TV" its like the person is saying because there are now alot of asians in the U.S. that there NEEDS to be equal repesentation in the media... I don't feel thats true..... You are more then welcome to try to get a show like that but there is no promise that it will happen... only that your free to try. Do we need "mandatory" asian shows... latino shows .... Indian oh no wait native American shows??? If anything it seems like the miniority races would feel insulted if that was the way it went down.... ok.. your our tolken hindu show you're our show that represents canadians....I'd be pissed (If i was a minority) if this was the case. pitch an Idea see what happens.

For the record... I have been trying to get money togeather to open a comic book store for sometime now... It just so happens that the great white money fairy hasn't dropped by my house yet with loads of cash to help me out. Looks like I'll have to get off my white ass and work for what I wan't. Wait, I know why this is... I have a Puerto Rican wife..... they don't wan't me to suceed cause she will too. The man keeps people down even at the cost of a few of thier own.

If you want something, make it happen. Don't wait around for it to be given to you!!! I truly feel anything else is just an excuse.

Sledge · 10-14-2003, 07:49 AM

The first rule of modern racial issues is this: don't take it personally. Yes, you're white. No, I do not hate you. Yes, I believe that the playing field is not equal. No, that does not mean that I believe all white people ever - BUT ESPECIALLY YOU! - are given a secret cache of WHITE MUNNY and therefore never have to work for anything ever. Take it easy, dude. Don't let minorities' desire to share a few of the privileges held by the majority hurt your feelings.

Talking about race issues would be so much easier if white people didn't get offended by the idea that maybe the game is unfair and should be fixed. Of course, it would also help if minorities were less accusatory and more cogent, but that's another complaint. Instead of dividing people up, race dialogue is supposed to bring them together. Which won't happen if you say NO as soon as you come to the table.

I don't really think that it's fair to say "you wouldn't know, you're white," but I certainly understand the sentiment. As a guy, I'm aware that there are a lot of things I don't have to worry about that women generally do. This was illustrated to me this summer, when my girlfriend, living in the city for the first time, would get propositioned by sketchy men walking down the damn street in midday. Am I a pussy for being aware of that, getting pissed off, and never wanting to be like that? I dunno, it's your call. But the issue wouldn't necessarily have crossed my mind if it hadn't been brought to my attention by my girlfriend - I'm not a target of that particular phenomenon, but now I know.

So instead of dismissing your friendly local minority as a whiny, oversensitive, accusatory loudmouth, why not give them the benefit of the doubt and listen to what they have to say, instead of getting SO MAD! and leaving? You might learn something.

Sledge · 10-14-2003, 07:56 AM

Also, why is it offensive that people are now expected to use gender-inclusive nouns? Is it really that much harder to say "firefighter" instead of "fireman"? I guess I don't see... what... bothers you about it. Please explain.

mattevil · 10-14-2003, 08:27 AM

personally yi think minorities are slipping into roles in the media(especially broadcasting). I think we're just going to have to do it gradually for it to take because if it was done all at once the shows would probably not be accepted(judging by failed shows in the past here). only asian sitcom i can think of in a while was all american girl and that didn't last long.

Conclamo Ludus · 10-14-2003, 08:40 AM

I see asians all the time as anchorpeople on our local news. And I don't think we really have a disproportionate asian population with the rest of the world. There are latino shows. There is the Lopez show, can't remember what his first name is. There are several latino cable channels. There are black channels. I see diversity all over the news channels. There are several high profile black anchors on most major networks. There are latino anchors on our local news. Its always seemed somewhat proportianate with minority populations and I think as these populations grow we will see more and more products and shows geared towards them. Doesn't bother me, but I don't see an urgency to it all, its slowly growing and an immediate jump into diversity will probably backlash.

You have to remember that tv is entirely driven by advertising money and ratings. There is money to be made as minority groups grow, and this will eventually be reflected in the programming.

ARTelevision · 10-14-2003, 08:46 AM

yes, well, media is a homogenization of experience.
all the pieces that don't fit into a particular marketing demographic are eliminated and the pieces that are there are there for very clear reasons. media is a candy bar for the brain. it's not the same as real life. media is a fictional presentation of real life, created for ulterior motives.

stating exactly what those ulterior motives are is also like describing why candy bars are the way they are.

media is to real life as candy bars are to real food.

Orodinn · 10-14-2003, 09:41 AM

I think its simply a question of culture. Most asians today in america's are still either immigrants or sons/daughters of immigrants. Basically, that means most asians are still raised with "asian" values. Asian culture encourages much more academic prowness than anything that could be entertainment related. That is why you don't see many asians in the medias. Most of them strive to succeed in professions deemed "succesful" by their culture. (doctors and engineers) Give it a few generations and as more asian-american are raised with american culture, you should see more asians on TV.

On the otherhand, "black" culture doesnt put that as much emphasis on academic success. Thats the reason why there are much more african-americans in the medias. I really don't think its reasonable to think that blacks are better actors, singers, dancers or whatever than asians. Its only culture. My guess is that in a few generations, it everything should be more homogeneous.

Midlandmadman · 10-14-2003, 10:06 AM

I really don't think I sounded mad..... (I knew I should have stayed away from this thread) .

What I really wanted to get across was ............ There isn't anything "owed" to anyone in this country. We are free to do what we want. If there are things that we don't like we should use our means to change them.

Or I shoulda went with my "Its media and Hollywood" so who really gives a damn, speach. yep. I shoulda went with that one. Sorry if i offended you, Sledge.

krwlz · 10-14-2003, 10:58 AM

Phred is right on at least one point. TV shows are a 22 min filler for the commercials. White people being predominant, naturaly they need to play to that interest.

If it was all black people, (might I point out the Cosby's for beign a really good show?) and whites wouldnt or couldnt relate, then they would lose money. Plain and simple.

Its not because we dont like other races, its because other races dont pay.

tj2001cobra · 10-14-2003, 03:10 PM

Maybe we should have affirmative action for all of our networks and cable companies. That way, no races could bitch about not seeing enough of themselves on TV.

Sound ludicrous? Because it is. I'll watch an asian on TV when they bring something to the table that interests me. Martial arts and anime aren't my cup of tea, so dont play that card.

As far as "minorities" go, I just got back from New York. It is hard not to be stereotypical after what I saw. I didn't see one white cab driver. 99% of all of the Asians I saw were selling 6 t-shirts for $10 on Canal Street. Of all of the people trying to sell me fake Rolex's and Ray-Bans, 100% of them were black. I was defintely a minority in the city. The only time I saw a large group of white people was at the Yankee game.

bahhh What is the point? Most "minorities" never feel like they get a fair shake in life and most "non-minorites" are sick of hearing about it.

filtherton · 10-14-2003, 03:31 PM

Maybe if all texans weren't racist proexecution militia gun nuts.

Wait, maybe i shouldn't make broad generalizations about groups of people based on superficial characteristics.

ARTelevision · 10-14-2003, 03:43 PM

Hey, guess what.
This thread is a hair's breadth away from being moved to the Tilted Politics Forum.
Why?
Because that's how it's turning out.

It's political biases that are fueling the discussion.
It doesn't have to be this way...but politics wins when other forms of discourse get lost.

Let's see if there's a way to discuss this without doctrinaire polarization.

If there isn't - you'll soon find it in the Politics Forum.

Jesus Pimp · 10-14-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tj2001cobra
Maybe we should have affirmative action for all of our networks and cable companies. That way, no races could bitch about not seeing enough of themselves on TV.

Sound ludicrous? Because it is. I'll watch an asian on TV when they bring something to the table that interests me. Martial arts and anime aren't my cup of tea, so dont play that card.

As far as "minorities" go, I just got back from New York. It is hard not to be stereotypical after what I saw. I didn't see one white cab driver. 99% of all of the Asians I saw were selling 6 t-shirts for $10 on Canal Street. Of all of the people trying to sell me fake Rolex's and Ray-Bans, 100% of them were black. I was defintely a minority in the city. The only time I saw a large group of white people was at the Yankee game.

bahhh What is the point? Most "minorities" never feel like they get a fair shake in life and most "non-minorites" are sick of hearing about it.

Are you form Texas by any chance?

Quote:

Phred is right on at least one point. TV shows are a 22 min filler for the commercials. White people being predominant, naturaly they need to play to that interest.

If it was all black people, (might I point out the Cosby's for beign a really good show?) and whites wouldnt or couldnt relate, then they would lose money. Plain and simple.

Its not because we dont like other races, its because other races dont pay.

True, but wouldn't it make even more sense to market more shows to other races and groups to attract more viewers? More viewers=more money. Now that's a concept. White people aren't the only people who watch tv

filtherton · 10-14-2003, 07:47 PM

Of course minorities are underrepresented, we live in a covertly racist society. The media is just a reflection of that fact. There is really nothing you could do to change it outside of trying to spread acceptence.

Soggybagel · 10-14-2003, 07:55 PM

Goddamnit...my thread...I blame this on myself for it turning into a sour turd. The bottom line is I'm by no means trying to play the PC card that maybe it sounded like I was. I'm sorry. I don't think anything is "owed, or due" due to the fact that I'm asian. I just thought that it was funny how I just was sitting down watching TV the other day and saw the lack of asians. Its just a thing I noticed all of a sudden...that I found comical in a sense. I'm not making a movement for a goddamn affirmitive action movement on Tv or any bullshit. I just thought it was funny, I joke with my many friends of many backgrounds about it and I thought that we as a "Mini Community" of sorts didn't have to turn it into a "Soggybagel obviously wants more asians on TV and doesn't give a damn how it happens article. I agree with Art...don't make this so political.

Sledge · 10-14-2003, 07:58 PM

Sorry, Soggy

I think we ruined it for you.

XenuHubbard · 10-14-2003, 08:27 PM

Let's not forget that half of the latinos in media are played by Danny Trejo.

But seriously, when shows get too PC, they just make me angry.
It feels too contrived. I could understand people being upset about this if the portrayal of their minority was constantly negative. Equal employment opportunities are important, but if I was an African-American, I would firebomb NAACP's offices for caring more about celebrities and actors than the education system.

In my opinion, actors are overpaid, unnecessary, and anybody who pursues dreams of being an actor have no right to complain about anything. They want fame and fortune without bringing society anything. I will not feel sorry for an actor who can't get a job.

I could also write an essay on the ridiculous portrayal of Swedish people in American media, but I just don't care.

It's just media.

And as for Rick Yune - well, he's out of the woodworks, but HATED in Korea. Doing "Die Another Day" was not a good career move if he, let's say, wants to visit South Korea again.

Soggybagel · 10-14-2003, 09:49 PM

The media was just one facet that I found funny to have such a slanted view of sorts. I too agree that if a show just got totally PC and has the wheel chair bound albino vision impared boy, and the inner city youth hugging it does get rediculous. Its just a funny part of society how every thing works and what not. One thing I can say for sure, is that I'M TIRED...haha good night.

Midlandmadman · 10-15-2003, 06:42 AM

I think we are just about 2 post away from a group hug now. hahaha Soggy sorry if we jacked your post. I am taking my ass back to tilted nonsence. I fit in alot better there!!!

fallen_angel · 10-15-2003, 12:31 PM

bullshit, if you group all the minorities together or even take two of them and put them together you will find that the regular anglo saxon american, is the minority compared to all other minorities.

I am right in my own mind, if this isnt true i dont care because thats how i feel, and just for the record i think if you live in this country you should speak english, cuz im sure not gonna put up with someone who wont learn just cuz they are too lazy to learn. also i am paying for college outta my own damn pocket and im getting no help because my parents make over 40000 a year even though i no longer live with them and havent for 2 years.

THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS!!!!!!!!1

Ganguro · 10-15-2003, 01:50 PM

wow that was the most pointless post ive read this side of nonsense.

I agree that minorities are underrepresendted/ misrepresendted in the media, but until people's attitudes chage about the issue.. it wont ever change. If you dont like it, change what media your view, read a book, make your own shows.. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.. dont just complain. I will make this one personal statement and then let it go..
If you aren't any type of minority.. wheither it be based on race, gender, or sexual orientation.. you could have no idea how deeply it wounds you not seeing accurate representation of "your kind" in the media. It's a truth. A lot of liberals can feel empathy, but at the end of they day.. they didnt grow up all their lives thinking they werent normal, or wondering why none of the things they see on television happen in their communities.

Its going to take a huge shift in the way people think for this to be resolved, and I dont think we'll see it in our lifetime.

tj2001cobra · 10-15-2003, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jesus Pimp
Are you form Texas by any chance?

Yes I am FROM Texas.

It says so in my location. Does that have some sort of bearing on my statement?

I think I need to step back from the forum and decide what I want to get out of it. Seems as though I can't have an opinion today.

ARTelevision · 10-15-2003, 03:21 PM

fallen_angel

you ignored the first post I made here.

you just got a public warning from me.

we're here for dialog not ranting.

bonbonbox · 10-15-2003, 09:52 PM

Stop identifying people by the color of their skin and see how fast none of this matters. People that choose to be hyphenated Americans are the problem. The government also shares in this insane behavior, giving different treatment to those it selects for whatever reason, including gender. What happened to all men are created equal, not that they really meant it at the time, but it is a great idea.

seretogis · 10-15-2003, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bonbonbox
Stop identifying people by the color of their skin and see how fast none of this matters. People that choose to be hyphenated Americans are the problem. The government also shares in this insane behavior, giving different treatment to those it selects for whatever reason, including gender. What happened to all men are created equal, not that they really meant it at the time, but it is a great idea.

It's human nature for one group to attempt to wrangle superiority over another. Playing the "minority" card is one way for a group to obtain dominance over the "majority."

filtherton · 10-16-2003, 04:17 PM

You minorities have just got to stop paying attention to the fact that you get treated differently because of your skin color, it just that simple. Then all of this minority-equality nonsense will go away.

Besides all white people know the only discrimination worth complaining about is affirmative action. No other kind really exisits.

OFKU0 · 10-16-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
You minorities have just got to stop paying attention to the fact that you get treated differently because of your skin color, it just that simple. Then all of this minority-equality nonsense will go away.

Yes and no. But it not sensible to ignore indifferent attitudes directed toward any ethnic or religious groups because it is very profitable to these groups who relish in victimhood these days as if it is a badge of honor and pride.

The more ignorance directly or indirectly attributed to a certain group through other means brings exposure and political jockeying basically as a reward. Affirmative action,hate crime legislation,special interest groups invited to select commitees etc,..wouldn't happen if sensitivities were in check.

This is not to say legitimite claims don't arise but the problem is that people have become apathetic mainly due to the overwhelming amount of unnecessary whining these minorities partake in to strictly profit from.

Food Eater Lad · 10-16-2003, 07:09 PM

Isnt it obvious? The way to make people stop treating people different because of race is to treat them different due to their race.

BigGov · 10-16-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Darkblack
Okay, So if everyone on every show you watched was black, would you be ok with that? Every now and then they throw in a geeky white guy with a pocket protector that can't seem to get any women and doesn't have any style at all. Would you be ok with that?

If you say yes I would have to pull the bs card out and drop it on the table. Everyone wants to watch shows they can identify with. There are a few Hispanic shows coming out this year and I would hope to see a couple Asian and middle eastern ones to follow in the seasons to come.

So, you're telling me, a conservative white male, that it's wrong for me to find shows like My Wife and Kids, and The George Lopez show funny, and absolutely despise almost every other show that ABC has?

I don't give a shit if I "identify" with the main character, I want to be entertained, thus, I watch shows that I like. The color of someone's skin doesn't play a factor.

Food Eater Lad · 10-16-2003, 08:40 PM

Jimmy,

Dont you get it? Liberals think that people need to see the same race as themselves on tv. Conservatives think a show should only be judged on content, and for that we are called racists? Irony anyone?

bonbonbox · 10-16-2003, 10:12 PM

Human nature is obviously not the answer to any problems we have here. Higher intellect and teaching is the only way. Since our government has control over most people's learning, to refrain from labeling people, hyphenating them, would appear to be a first step towards eliminating racial discrimination. That is our goal is it not? "Red or yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight..."

Jesus Pimp · 10-17-2003, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
Jimmy,

Dont you get it? Liberals think that people need to see the same race as themselves on tv. Conservatives think a show should only be judged on content, and for that we are called racists? Irony anyone?

Eh? I just want to see more variety of people on tv whether it's racial, gender, whatever. It's not about affirmative action or being politically correct. It's ludicrous to say variety isn't marketable because anything can be marketable if done right.

10-13-2003, 09:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	Lack of Minorities in Media I just want to point out that while this has been said before many times, I find it funny how on TV and in Movies minorities are still being represented rather unfairly. On tv its certainly getting better than years ago and African Americans on tv have been getting their own shows as well as appearing on ensemble style casts. My question though is where the hell are all the asians? I know for a fact there are many asians out there in Hollywood and the likes trying to get jobs but they typically get thrown into typecasted roles. I'm not saying that asians need to be everywhere...but thinking of some random current films, couldn't one of the random white guys just have easily been a asian guy/gal? I just wish there were more roles with asians in it that didn't always have to involve kung fu or the like. Growing up as a asian american its not like I had a lot people to indentify with at all. Just wondering what all you folks opinions are...because I love having a good discussion...and this is one of the few forums which that can get done in.

10-13-2003, 10:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	i'm gonna be un-pc and perhaps a bit rude for a moment. bear with me. oh my holy god. let's bitch and moan because i don't feel like my television shows (simply 22 minute filler for advertisements being played at intervals) aren't making sure everyone's getting fair coverage. i simply don't feel like it's our duty as americans and patriots to make sure that there is the demanded percentage of each individual minorty out there. it boggles my damn mind when i see commercials with groups of people, and the admakers are painfully careful that every possible standpoint, in terms of race, sex, and orientation, is completely represented to make sure that it appeals to anybody who might be unfortunate enough to watch them shill for whatever useless garbage you simply must have. let's face it. television shows are made for the buying public, so the advertisers will be able to get their names placed somewhere inbetween the shows that draw the highest viewerships. they shill for the majority. it's the cold hard truth. so let's consider a few shows that have gone against this grain to try to appeal to an ethnic audience. shows that have so many corny jokes about how the man keeps them down or about how their specific racial quirk somehow affected their everyday situations, and about how damn funny/tragic/ironic that was for them. most shows like that are garbage, made by out of work writers dipping down into the dumps for a few bucks while they beg for the latest flavor of the month director to read their "life-changing, oscar winning" manuscript. i'm sick of watching politically correct television. if people want to create a quality show, viewers will flock to it. they shouldn't have to force it upon the viewing public with multimilliondollar advertising campaigns to make sure people will be glued to theiur couches so they can find out for themselves just how crappy it really is. an edit, just so i can clarify what i'm saying. when people of whatever ethnicity or creed start making quality, people will go to see it. except for very select segments of the general public, people don't give a flying fuxor if an actor/actress/show/movie is asian, black, hispanic, gay. straight, or otherwise tilted. if it's good, people will watch it. if it's garbage, it will be ignored and forgotten. you want to see more minorities? get more minorities making quality, watchable media. __________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine Last edited by phredgreen; 10-13-2003 at 10:15 PM..

10-14-2003, 07:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
Midlandmadman Redwing fan extraordinaire Location: Michigan	You know, I almost always stay away from treads like these cause... 1. I am a white dude and most of this stuff dosen't relate to me. 2. If I voice my opinion the reaction would be like Jesus Pimp said..."you wouldn't know your a white guy." ... but, I am gonna throw my 2 cents in this. 1. The whole politically correct thing can suck my ass. I would rather have people say what the fuck they believe so I know what type of person they are...... If you think I am a fucking cracker... say it. Then I know you don't like me... fine. I can deal with this. But the PC crap thats even more dumb than the race stuff is the whole Fire-person or police-person. HOLY FUCK !!!!!!! its a policeman!!!!!!! and as far a PC goes... who likes politicians???? no one.... why would you wanna be correct like one??? 2. When I hear arguments like the one that started this post... "We need more asians in TV" its like the person is saying because there are now alot of asians in the U.S. that there NEEDS to be equal repesentation in the media... I don't feel thats true..... You are more then welcome to try to get a show like that but there is no promise that it will happen... only that your free to try. Do we need "mandatory" asian shows... latino shows .... Indian oh no wait native American shows??? If anything it seems like the miniority races would feel insulted if that was the way it went down.... ok.. your our tolken hindu show you're our show that represents canadians....I'd be pissed (If i was a minority) if this was the case. pitch an Idea see what happens. For the record... I have been trying to get money togeather to open a comic book store for sometime now... It just so happens that the great white money fairy hasn't dropped by my house yet with loads of cash to help me out. Looks like I'll have to get off my white ass and work for what I wan't. Wait, I know why this is... I have a Puerto Rican wife..... they don't wan't me to suceed cause she will too. The man keeps people down even at the cost of a few of thier own. If you want something, make it happen. Don't wait around for it to be given to you!!! I truly feel anything else is just an excuse. __________________ Its good to be back.

10-14-2003, 07:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	The first rule of modern racial issues is this: don't take it personally. Yes, you're white. No, I do not hate you. Yes, I believe that the playing field is not equal. No, that does not mean that I believe all white people ever - BUT ESPECIALLY YOU! - are given a secret cache of WHITE MUNNY and therefore never have to work for anything ever. Take it easy, dude. Don't let minorities' desire to share a few of the privileges held by the majority hurt your feelings. Talking about race issues would be so much easier if white people didn't get offended by the idea that maybe the game is unfair and should be fixed. Of course, it would also help if minorities were less accusatory and more cogent, but that's another complaint. Instead of dividing people up, race dialogue is supposed to bring them together. Which won't happen if you say NO as soon as you come to the table. I don't really think that it's fair to say "you wouldn't know, you're white," but I certainly understand the sentiment. As a guy, I'm aware that there are a lot of things I don't have to worry about that women generally do. This was illustrated to me this summer, when my girlfriend, living in the city for the first time, would get propositioned by sketchy men walking down the damn street in midday. Am I a pussy for being aware of that, getting pissed off, and never wanting to be like that? I dunno, it's your call. But the issue wouldn't necessarily have crossed my mind if it hadn't been brought to my attention by my girlfriend - I'm not a target of that particular phenomenon, but now I know. So instead of dismissing your friendly local minority as a whiny, oversensitive, accusatory loudmouth, why not give them the benefit of the doubt and listen to what they have to say, instead of getting SO MAD! and leaving? You might learn something. Last edited by Sledge; 10-14-2003 at 08:07 AM..

10-14-2003, 07:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	Also, why is it offensive that people are now expected to use gender-inclusive nouns? Is it really that much harder to say "firefighter" instead of "fireman"? I guess I don't see... what... bothers you about it. Please explain. Last edited by Sledge; 10-14-2003 at 07:59 AM..

10-13-2003, 09:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	The buzz is that the age of Asian celebrities is due in less than one generation. Every wave of immigrants has followed a pattern: the first generation is stuck with the shitty jobs; in the second, they enter the professional workforce; in the third, they break into mainstream media. We've been through our laundromat stage, then our doctors 'n' engineers stage - soon we should see an emergence of Asian-American celebrities. Or so says an Asian sociologist here at Brown. I don't know if I'm that optimistic about it. Be nice, though. In the past year of American theater there was the mildly successful Better Luck Tomorrow, which, amazingly, has nothing at all to do with mystical dragon fu. And boystars like Rick Yoon are making their way out of the woodwork. You could maybe interpret them as the first heralds of the new age. What I'd really like to see is a megapopular Asian pop star here, like what Jay Chou is to China and Taiwan.

10-13-2003, 10:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	You bring up a interesting point. Though to be quite honest, one movie that had all lead asian characters and was hardly what I call a smashing success, though you are right that the fact that it even existed is good.

10-14-2003, 08:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
mattevil Addict Location: Virginia	personally yi think minorities are slipping into roles in the media(especially broadcasting). I think we're just going to have to do it gradually for it to take because if it was done all at once the shows would probably not be accepted(judging by failed shows in the past here). only asian sitcom i can think of in a while was all american girl and that didn't last long.

10-14-2003, 08:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	I see asians all the time as anchorpeople on our local news. And I don't think we really have a disproportionate asian population with the rest of the world. There are latino shows. There is the Lopez show, can't remember what his first name is. There are several latino cable channels. There are black channels. I see diversity all over the news channels. There are several high profile black anchors on most major networks. There are latino anchors on our local news. Its always seemed somewhat proportianate with minority populations and I think as these populations grow we will see more and more products and shows geared towards them. Doesn't bother me, but I don't see an urgency to it all, its slowly growing and an immediate jump into diversity will probably backlash. You have to remember that tv is entirely driven by advertising money and ratings. There is money to be made as minority groups grow, and this will eventually be reflected in the programming. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

10-14-2003, 08:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	yes, well, media is a homogenization of experience. all the pieces that don't fit into a particular marketing demographic are eliminated and the pieces that are there are there for very clear reasons. media is a candy bar for the brain. it's not the same as real life. media is a fictional presentation of real life, created for ulterior motives. stating exactly what those ulterior motives are is also like describing why candy bars are the way they are. media is to real life as candy bars are to real food. __________________ create evolution

10-14-2003, 09:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
Orodinn Crazy	I think its simply a question of culture. Most asians today in america's are still either immigrants or sons/daughters of immigrants. Basically, that means most asians are still raised with "asian" values. Asian culture encourages much more academic prowness than anything that could be entertainment related. That is why you don't see many asians in the medias. Most of them strive to succeed in professions deemed "succesful" by their culture. (doctors and engineers) Give it a few generations and as more asian-american are raised with american culture, you should see more asians on TV. On the otherhand, "black" culture doesnt put that as much emphasis on academic success. Thats the reason why there are much more african-americans in the medias. I really don't think its reasonable to think that blacks are better actors, singers, dancers or whatever than asians. Its only culture. My guess is that in a few generations, it everything should be more homogeneous. Last edited by Orodinn; 10-14-2003 at 09:45 AM..

10-14-2003, 10:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
Midlandmadman Redwing fan extraordinaire Location: Michigan	I really don't think I sounded mad..... (I knew I should have stayed away from this thread) . What I really wanted to get across was ............ There isn't anything "owed" to anyone in this country. We are free to do what we want. If there are things that we don't like we should use our means to change them. Or I shoulda went with my "Its media and Hollywood" so who really gives a damn, speach. yep. I shoulda went with that one. Sorry if i offended you, Sledge. __________________ Its good to be back.

10-14-2003, 10:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Phred is right on at least one point. TV shows are a 22 min filler for the commercials. White people being predominant, naturaly they need to play to that interest. If it was all black people, (might I point out the Cosby's for beign a really good show?) and whites wouldnt or couldnt relate, then they would lose money. Plain and simple. Its not because we dont like other races, its because other races dont pay.

10-14-2003, 03:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
tj2001cobra Insane Location: Austin, Texas .. Y'all	Maybe we should have affirmative action for all of our networks and cable companies. That way, no races could bitch about not seeing enough of themselves on TV. Sound ludicrous? Because it is. I'll watch an asian on TV when they bring something to the table that interests me. Martial arts and anime aren't my cup of tea, so dont play that card. As far as "minorities" go, I just got back from New York. It is hard not to be stereotypical after what I saw. I didn't see one white cab driver. 99% of all of the Asians I saw were selling 6 t-shirts for $10 on Canal Street. Of all of the people trying to sell me fake Rolex's and Ray-Bans, 100% of them were black. I was defintely a minority in the city. The only time I saw a large group of white people was at the Yankee game. bahhh What is the point? Most "minorities" never feel like they get a fair shake in life and most "non-minorites" are sick of hearing about it.

10-14-2003, 03:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Maybe if all texans weren't racist proexecution militia gun nuts. Wait, maybe i shouldn't make broad generalizations about groups of people based on superficial characteristics.

10-14-2003, 03:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Hey, guess what. This thread is a hair's breadth away from being moved to the Tilted Politics Forum. Why? Because that's how it's turning out. It's political biases that are fueling the discussion. It doesn't have to be this way...but politics wins when other forms of discourse get lost. Let's see if there's a way to discuss this without doctrinaire polarization. If there isn't - you'll soon find it in the Politics Forum. __________________ create evolution

10-14-2003, 07:47 PM	#22 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Of course minorities are underrepresented, we live in a covertly racist society. The media is just a reflection of that fact. There is really nothing you could do to change it outside of trying to spread acceptence.

10-14-2003, 07:55 PM	#23 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	Goddamnit...my thread...I blame this on myself for it turning into a sour turd. The bottom line is I'm by no means trying to play the PC card that maybe it sounded like I was. I'm sorry. I don't think anything is "owed, or due" due to the fact that I'm asian. I just thought that it was funny how I just was sitting down watching TV the other day and saw the lack of asians. Its just a thing I noticed all of a sudden...that I found comical in a sense. I'm not making a movement for a goddamn affirmitive action movement on Tv or any bullshit. I just thought it was funny, I joke with my many friends of many backgrounds about it and I thought that we as a "Mini Community" of sorts didn't have to turn it into a "Soggybagel obviously wants more asians on TV and doesn't give a damn how it happens article. I agree with Art...don't make this so political.

10-14-2003, 07:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	Sorry, Soggy I think we ruined it for you.

10-14-2003, 08:27 PM	#25 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	Let's not forget that half of the latinos in media are played by Danny Trejo. But seriously, when shows get too PC, they just make me angry. It feels too contrived. I could understand people being upset about this if the portrayal of their minority was constantly negative. Equal employment opportunities are important, but if I was an African-American, I would firebomb NAACP's offices for caring more about celebrities and actors than the education system. In my opinion, actors are overpaid, unnecessary, and anybody who pursues dreams of being an actor have no right to complain about anything. They want fame and fortune without bringing society anything. I will not feel sorry for an actor who can't get a job. I could also write an essay on the ridiculous portrayal of Swedish people in American media, but I just don't care. It's just media. And as for Rick Yune - well, he's out of the woodworks, but HATED in Korea. Doing "Die Another Day" was not a good career move if he, let's say, wants to visit South Korea again. __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

10-14-2003, 09:49 PM	#26 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	The media was just one facet that I found funny to have such a slanted view of sorts. I too agree that if a show just got totally PC and has the wheel chair bound albino vision impared boy, and the inner city youth hugging it does get rediculous. Its just a funny part of society how every thing works and what not. One thing I can say for sure, is that I'M TIRED...haha good night.

10-15-2003, 06:42 AM	#27 (permalink)
Midlandmadman Redwing fan extraordinaire Location: Michigan	I think we are just about 2 post away from a group hug now. hahaha Soggy sorry if we jacked your post. I am taking my ass back to tilted nonsence. I fit in alot better there!!! __________________ Its good to be back.

10-15-2003, 12:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
fallen_angel Psycho Location: Somewhere between the Havens and the Earth	bullshit, if you group all the minorities together or even take two of them and put them together you will find that the regular anglo saxon american, is the minority compared to all other minorities. I am right in my own mind, if this isnt true i dont care because thats how i feel, and just for the record i think if you live in this country you should speak english, cuz im sure not gonna put up with someone who wont learn just cuz they are too lazy to learn. also i am paying for college outta my own damn pocket and im getting no help because my parents make over 40000 a year even though i no longer live with them and havent for 2 years. THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS!!!!!!!!1 __________________ from the Havens I have fallen. . . to the earth as a mangled form. . . writhing in pain, my wings torn and bloodied. . . I have one purpose, only one goal. . . to find you and love you, for I am your. . . fallen angel

10-15-2003, 01:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	wow that was the most pointless post ive read this side of nonsense. I agree that minorities are underrepresendted/ misrepresendted in the media, but until people's attitudes chage about the issue.. it wont ever change. If you dont like it, change what media your view, read a book, make your own shows.. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.. dont just complain. I will make this one personal statement and then let it go.. If you aren't any type of minority.. wheither it be based on race, gender, or sexual orientation.. you could have no idea how deeply it wounds you not seeing accurate representation of "your kind" in the media. It's a truth. A lot of liberals can feel empathy, but at the end of they day.. they didnt grow up all their lives thinking they werent normal, or wondering why none of the things they see on television happen in their communities. Its going to take a huge shift in the way people think for this to be resolved, and I dont think we'll see it in our lifetime.

10-15-2003, 03:21 PM	#31 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	fallen_angel you ignored the first post I made here. you just got a public warning from me. we're here for dialog not ranting. __________________ create evolution

10-15-2003, 09:52 PM	#32 (permalink)
bonbonbox Banned	Stop identifying people by the color of their skin and see how fast none of this matters. People that choose to be hyphenated Americans are the problem. The government also shares in this insane behavior, giving different treatment to those it selects for whatever reason, including gender. What happened to all men are created equal, not that they really meant it at the time, but it is a great idea.

10-16-2003, 04:17 PM	#34 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	You minorities have just got to stop paying attention to the fact that you get treated differently because of your skin color, it just that simple. Then all of this minority-equality nonsense will go away. Besides all white people know the only discrimination worth complaining about is affirmative action. No other kind really exisits.

10-16-2003, 07:09 PM	#36 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	Isnt it obvious? The way to make people stop treating people different because of race is to treat them different due to their race.

10-16-2003, 08:40 PM	#38 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	Jimmy, Dont you get it? Liberals think that people need to see the same race as themselves on tv. Conservatives think a show should only be judged on content, and for that we are called racists? Irony anyone?

10-16-2003, 10:12 PM	#39 (permalink)
bonbonbox Banned	Human nature is obviously not the answer to any problems we have here. Higher intellect and teaching is the only way. Since our government has control over most people's learning, to refrain from labeling people, hyphenating them, would appear to be a first step towards eliminating racial discrimination. That is our goal is it not? "Red or yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight..."