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rodgerd · 09-27-2003, 03:12 PM

So, the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate who in the administration leaked information about an undercover agent to the press.

For those of you who don't remember, the agent's husband was the one who investigated the claims Iraq had obtained uranium; when his report came back stating this was untrue, the administration lied and claimed they had.

When it eventually came out that the story had been a lie, it was claimed by conservative columnist Robert Novak that an adminstration official had been running around telling all and sundry the details of the CIA agent as revenge.

Of course, there's fat chance that the Ashcroft Justice Department will actually do anything about it, but it's amazing what lengths it appears the present US administration will go to (acts of treason) to "get" anyone on their bad sides.

Superbelt · 09-27-2003, 05:36 PM

From what I read the Traitor who did it was Karl Rove

http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column106.html

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Ambassador Joseph Wilson revealed on August 29 in a symposium in Washington the person in
the Bush administration, who had leaked it out to the Washington Post that Wilson’s wife is a CIA
agent of 26 years. As a consequence of this leak, her entire team of overseas assets were liquidated.

The leaker, it turns out, was none other than the notorious Karl H. Rove, Bush’s so-called White House advisor.
Ambassador Wilson identified him as Karl Roverer, with the umlaut over the “o.”

...

So Karl Rove has been identified as the leaker responsible for the deaths of more than 70 CIA assets overseas.

I hope the fucker who did this hangs.

Nizzle · 09-27-2003, 06:11 PM

Karl Rove makes the Baby Jesus weep.

Superbelt · 09-27-2003, 08:58 PM

Here is some more on this

dailykos
It's a political weblog, but a really good one.

Macheath · 09-28-2003, 04:17 AM

I bet this administration has an "enemies list" and y'know as dodgy as Nixon was at least he wrote his own list - Bush probably doesn't know half the names on the list and Rove isn't willing to explain them.

prb · 09-28-2003, 11:35 AM

I agree with Superbelt. Somebody has to answer for this in a really big way.

Anybody know if Bush is ever going to hold another press conference?

Downtownat10 · 09-28-2003, 11:56 AM

Well, actually, I just wrote a rather lengthy post about this on my own site, and I am happy to see the event mentioned here....

In all honesty, Novak is not really the person to blame in this incident. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the guy for a number of personal reasons, and I think it was completely wrong that he put her name in the article months ago. However, based upon the actual text of the Intelligence Identity Protection Act, the blame goes to the person who had access to the classified information. While I agree that the person responsible should be taken from the White House in a burlap bag and pulled down Pennsylvania Avenue tied to the bumper of Wilson's car, to put the blame on Novak is essentially shooting the messenger.

If anybody wants to know the rest of what I thought on this matter, PM me and I will send you a link to the post on my site. I would post it here, but got in trouble once before for what was considered "plugging."

Bill O'Rights · 09-29-2003, 05:01 AM

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As a consequence of this leak, her entire team of overseas assets were liquidated.

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So Karl Rove has been identified as the leaker responsible for the deaths of more than 70 CIA assets overseas.

Whoa...back-up. You mean that "liquidated" means the <i>deaths</i> of the "assets", or is it the dismanteling of the network?

Serious, either way, but in my own estimation, one is worth a very long prison sentence...whereas the other is worthy of public execution. I really would like to know which.

Either way, I'd call it High Treason.

Superbelt · 09-29-2003, 07:28 AM

Well "her entire team of overseas assets were liquidated. " denotes people in a team. So yeah, people died because of this. Many people.

Food Eater Lad · 09-29-2003, 05:34 PM

"Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this. In July I was interviewing a senior administration official on Ambassador Wilson's report when he told me the trip was inspired by his wife, a CIA employee working on weapons of mass destruction. Another senior official told me the same thing. As a professional journalist with 46 years experience in Washington I do not reveal confidential sources. When I called the CIA in July to confirm Mrs. Wilson's involvement in the mission for her husband -- he is a former Clinton administration official -- they asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else. According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operator, and not in charge of undercover operatives'... " --Robert Novak

Superbelt · 09-29-2003, 05:54 PM

Ok he is changing his story now that the heat is on. But you know what? He still aserts that two senior admin officials TOLD him about it. Just releasing the name breaks treason laws. So the situation hasn't changed, there is just a spin on it now.

Superbelt · 09-29-2003, 06:00 PM

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Also, if Novak is correct, then what about the other reporters contacted with the information?
Novak has had a rocky relationship with this administration, but at the end of the day, he would rather have a Republican in the White House than a Democrat. He is a partisan, and his statement (which remember, doesn't exculpate the administration from wrongdoing) is simply the first salvo of the administration's counterattack.
-KOS

2wolves · 09-29-2003, 06:18 PM

Did the current bush administration actually believe the folks at the C.I.A. would forgive and forget?

Bwa - Ha - Ha - Ha.

A category 5 shit tsunami is about to come down on some punk ass bitches in the People's House. Remind me to cry them a river.

2Wolves

Superbelt · 09-29-2003, 06:29 PM

All we need are the phone logs.

One way or another it will prove this. Especially if 6 specific reporters are called by two different Senior Admin officials.

Just turn em all over.

mml · 09-29-2003, 09:33 PM

If it all pans out and this story is true, the person/people involved should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. It is disgusting and politics at its worst.

Lebell · 09-29-2003, 11:57 PM

If all this turns out to be true, I will be very dissappointed in this administration.

Giving up an agent because you don't like the truth being told you by the agent's husband should result in jail time for someone.

rodgerd · 09-30-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
If all this turns out to be true, I will be very dissappointed in this administration.

Giving up an agent because you don't like the truth being told you by the agent's husband should result in jail time for someone.

One claim I've seen circulating puts the death toll of CIA "assets" (informants and the like, I assume) at 70; I haven't been able to find a reliable source for this.

It's pretty believable, though. If you were in the business of trading nuke secrets under the table you'd be checking your people for contact with this woman and likely killing them.

I doubt Bush will be as keen to execute those responsible as he was to authorise executing po' folks when he was the Govenor of Texas...

TawG · 09-30-2003, 03:57 AM

bush sucks!

maximusveritas · 09-30-2003, 05:40 AM

Novak is not only spinning, he's outright lying.
From http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines :

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Novak said on CNN yesterday that "nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this." He said the information about Plame had come out during an interview with a senior administration official about Wilson's Niger mission. But in July, Novak told Newsday, "I didn't dig it out, it was given to me."

Superbelt · 09-30-2003, 06:45 AM

Ooh, and FEL, Novak is a lying SOB.

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According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operator, and not in charge of undercover operatives'... " --Robert Novak

http://truthout.org/docs_03/093003A.shtml

Excerpt:

Ray McGovern, who was for 27-years a senior analyst for the CIA, further confirms the status of Plame within the CIA. "I know Joseph Wilson well enough to know," said McGovern in a telephone conversation we had today, "that his wife was in fact a deep cover operative running a network of informants on what is supposedly this administration's first-priority issue: Weapons of mass destruction."

McGovern further elaborated on the damage done when such an agent has their cover blown. "This causes a great deal of damage," said McGovern. "These kinds of networks take ten years to develop. The reason why they operate under deep cover is that the only people who have access to the kind of data we need cannot be associated in any way with the American intelligence community. Our operatives live a lie to maintain these networks, and do so out of patriotism. When they get blown, the operatives themselves are in physical danger. The people they recruit are also in physical danger, because foreign intelligence services can make the connections and find them. Operatives like Valerie Plame are real patriots."

REPREHENSIBLE

Superbelt · 09-30-2003, 09:35 AM

More proof that this woman was a covert CIA agent

White House Memo

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PLEASE READ: Important Message From Counsel's Office

We were informed last evening by the Department of Justice that it has opened an investigation into possible unauthorized disclosures concerning the identity of an undercover CIA employee. The department advised us that it will be sending a letter today instructing us to preserve all materials that might be relevant to its investigation. Its letter will provide more specific instructions on the materials in which it is interested, and we will communicate those instructions directly to you. In the meantime, you must preserve all materials that might in any way be related to the department's investigation. Any questions concerning this request should be directed to Associate Counsels Ted Ullyot or Raul Yanes in the counsel to the president's office. The president has directed full cooperation with this investigation.

seretogis · 09-30-2003, 09:52 AM

I really don't understand why Novak isn't getting any flak for this. He isn't free of responsibility for putting CIA operatives in danger, since he is the one that exposed them, heh. He should lose his job at the very least.

Superbelt · 09-30-2003, 10:01 AM

He should lose his job, but freedom of speech should protect him (and rightly so) The blame lies with those who gave him the information, Novak signed no non-disclosure documents. He is morally bankrupt but not a criminal.

seretogis · 09-30-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
He should lose his job, but freedom of speech should protect him (and rightly so) The blame lies with those who gave him the information, Novak signed no non-disclosure documents. He is morally bankrupt but not a criminal.

I also recommend a spanking.

2wolves · 09-30-2003, 04:05 PM

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

The Second Gonzales letter, released late Tuesday ...

The following notice was sent to all White House employees:

IMPORTANT FOLLOW-UP MESSAGE FROM COUNSEL'S OFFICE

This communication is a follow-up to the directive I sent you this morning regarding the preservation of certain materials in the possession of the White House, its staff, or its employees.

Pursuant to a request from the Department of Justice, I am instructing you to preserve and maintain the following:

"[F]or the time period February 1, 2002 to the present, all documents, including without limitation all electronic records, telephone records of any kind (including but not limited to any records that memorialize telephone calls having been made), correspondence, computer records, storage devices, notes, memoranda, and diary and calendar entries, that relate in any way to:

1. Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, his trip to Niger in February 2002, and/or his wife's purported relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency;

2. Contacts with any member or representative of the news media about Joseph C. Wilson, his trip to Niger in February 2002, and/or his wife's purported relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency; and

3. Contacts with reporters Knut Royce, Timothy M. Phelps, or Robert D. Novak, or any individual(s) acting directly or indirectly, on behalf of these reporters."

You must preserve all documents relating, in any way, directly or indirectly, to these subjects, even if there would be a question whether the document would be a presidential or federal record or even if its destruction might otherwise be permitted.

If you have any questions regarding any of the foregoing, please contact Associate Counsels Ted Ullyot or Raul Yanes in the Counsel to the President's Office.

Alberto R. Gonzales

Counsel to the President

Knut Royce and Timothy Phelps of Newsday have done some of the best reporting of anyone in town on the whole issue of Iraq, politicized intelligence and the Joe Wilson matter. They've clearly got some awfully good and pretty generous sources. What are their names doing in this memo?

They reported early on Novak's original column. But why that should put them in the mix here isn't immediately clear.

-- Josh Marshall

=========================

Intimadation of journalists? Not just for breakfast anymore.

2Wolves

2wolves · 09-30-2003, 05:34 PM

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/220207.shtml

"Thou shalt not fuck with the spooks because you'll awake to find a live cobra inserted in thy rectum."

2Wolves

2wolves · 09-30-2003, 06:18 PM

Hardball (MSNBC - 9/30/03):

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Don't you think it's more serious than Watergate, when you think about it?

RNC CHAIRMAN ED GILLESPIE: I think if the allegation is true, to reveal the identity of an undercover CIA operative -- it's abhorrent, and it should be a crime, and it is a crime.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: It'd be worse than Watergate, wouldn't it?

GILLESPIE: It's -- Yeah, I suppose in terms of the real world implications of it. It's not just politics.

====================

Even allowing for the disclaimer this is a stunning statement from the Chairman of the RNC.

2Wolves

ctembreull · 09-30-2003, 06:34 PM

Actually, a British journalist here in the states today filed a report that indicates that White House political guru Karl Rove is the source of the leaks.

Rove, it should be noted, is the subject of the book "Bush's Brain." He is an accomplished political operator who has been quoted as having one of the Tammany Hall bosses as who he wanted to grow up to be. Rove is widely credited for placing George W. Bush in a position to win the 2000 election, and is generally considered to be the eminence grise behind the current administration. He does, however, have a prior history of leaking information in the service of the Republican Party. He was fired from George H.W. Bush's presidential campaign in 1992 for leaking information to a reporter. That reporter, it should be noted, was Robert Novak. Coincidence? Possibly. Joseph Wilson, husband to the recently outed Valerie Plame also fingered Rove in a July appearance in Seattle.

So what happens to George W. Bush if and when Karl Rove is frogmarched out of the White House in handcuffs?

seretogis · 09-30-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by 2wolves
Even allowing for the disclaimer this is a stunning statement from the Chairman of the RNC.

Gillespie is not a very smart guy -- he says a lot of incredibly stupid things, it seems.

Nizzle · 09-30-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
Actually, a British journalist here in the states today filed a report that indicates that White House political guru Karl Rove is the source of the leaks.

Rove, it should be noted, is the subject of the book "Bush's Brain." He is an accomplished political operator who has been quoted as having one of the Tammany Hall bosses as who he wanted to grow up to be. Rove is widely credited for placing George W. Bush in a position to win the 2000 election, and is generally considered to be the eminence grise behind the current administration. He does, however, have a prior history of leaking information in the service of the Republican Party. He was fired from George H.W. Bush's presidential campaign in 1992 for leaking information to a reporter. That reporter, it should be noted, was Robert Novak. Coincidence? Possibly. Joseph Wilson, husband to the recently outed Valerie Plame also fingered Rove in a July appearance in Seattle.

So what happens to George W. Bush if and when Karl Rove is frogmarched out of the White House in handcuffs?

Are you kidding? With the Bush's Justice Department doing the so-called investigation, this case is as good as closed, and the "liberal" media will forget about this story in 2 weeks tops. I mean, the leak happened over 4 months ago, this isn't exactly breaking news. The media is so positively whipped by the Bush administration, they don't dare do anything but report what his PR people tell them to. The message is clear: cross us and you will pay with your reputation and career.

Bush's goons are just getting warmed up. Things are going to get really dirty in 2004.

seretogis · 09-30-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Nizzle
The media is so positively whipped by the Bush administration, they don't dare do anything but report what his PR people tell them to.

Do you watch anything BUT Fox News? On NBC, CBS, ABC, and local Fox stations I've heard very close to what would amount to suggestions that Bush himself is involved in the leak. I'm not sure where you get your "news", but what you see is vastly different than what I see.

Nizzle · 09-30-2003, 11:41 PM

I don't watch television, sir.

Every article in the mainstream newspapers is reporting it, obviously (cough, 4 months after it happend). But the spin is the same. "Bush is fully cooperating." Of course he is, John Ashcroft is conducting the "investigation." The whole thing is a farce.

If I missed an article that is suggesting Bush himself is responsible for the leaks, please, don't hesitate to point it out to me.

rodgerd · 09-30-2003, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by Nizzle
Are you kidding? With the Bush's Justice Department doing the so-called investigation, this case is as good as closed, and the "liberal" media will forget about this story in 2 weeks tops.

Yeah. Remember that guy they were going to string up, what was his name, Ken Lay? Hey wasn't going to get any preferential treatment from his buddy George. Ol' Kenny-boy was going to get it good and hard.

I wonder what happened to him?

Superbelt · 10-01-2003, 03:19 AM

Hey being forced to play on the public golf courses with OJ because everyone knows you are a crook who personally ruined thousands of lives and started the windfall that ruined millions, because the club is too snooty about "ethics", is punishment enough don't you think?

Macheath · 10-01-2003, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Hey being forced to play on the public golf courses with OJ because everyone knows you are a crook who personally ruined thousands of lives and started the windfall that ruined millions, because the club is too snooty about "ethics", is punishment enough don't you think?

Public golf course? - nothing as severe as that. He still has membership at the private course. He just gets one of the lesser parking spaces.

They don't want to turn one of their boys into a TOTAL pariah.

Daval · 10-01-2003, 10:08 AM

I hope that this doesnt 'go away' I'd like to find out who is responsible and hope to god that heads will roll for this.

Nizzle · 10-01-2003, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rodgerd
Yeah. Remember that guy they were going to string up, what was his name, Ken Lay? Hey wasn't going to get any preferential treatment from his buddy George. Ol' Kenny-boy was going to get it good and hard.

I wonder what happened to him?

Ken Lay and Karl Rove are worlds apart.

Astrocloud · 11-02-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by Daval
I hope that this doesnt 'go away' I'd like to find out who is responsible and hope to god that heads will roll for this.

There was a good interview on Boston's Talking Point where Joseph Wilson (Former Bush Sr. and Reagan diplomatic appointee) seems to contradict what Dick Cheney says. Things we know now like the fact that Iraq didn't seek enriched Uranium from Nigeria.

Cheney made the assertion that he got that information from a daily brief. This was the same information that Wilson was sent to Nigeria to investigate. Wilson said that he found no evidence that Iraq had attempted to buy enriched Uranium from Africa. Yet somehow his oral report either a) changed or b) ignored.

There are some in the media that want to paint Wilson as some sort of Democratic activist. Wilson himself discounts this as he was the US ambassador to Iraq during the first gulf war.

Here is his Resume' if anyone wants to look at it.

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AMBASSADOR JOSEPH C. WILSON, IV

Ambassador Wilson is CEO of JCWilson International Ventures, Corp., a firm specializing in Strategic Management and International Business Development.

Ambassador Wilson served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998. In that capacity he was responsible for the coordination of U.S. policy to the 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa. He was one of the principal architects of President Clinton’s historic trip to Africa in March 1998.

Ambassador Wilson was the Political Advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces, Europe, 1995-1997. He served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995. From 1988 to 1991, Ambassador Wilson served in Baghdad, Iraq as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy. During “Desert Shield” he was the acting Ambassador and was responsible for the negotiations that resulted in the release of several hundred American hostages. He was the last official American to meet with Saddam Hussein before the launching of “Desert Storm.”

Ambassador Wilson was a member of the U.S. Diplomatic Service from 1976 until 1998. His early assignments included Niamey, Niger, 1976-1978; Lome, Togo, 1978-79; the State Department Bureau of African Affairs, 1979-1981; and Pretoria, South Africa, 1981-1982.

In 1982, he was appointed Deputy Chief of Mission in Bujumbura, Burundi. In 1985-1986, he served in the offices of Senator Albert Gore and the House Majority Whip, Representative Thomas Foley, as an American Political Science Association Congressional Fellow. He was Deputy Chief of Mission in Brazzaville, Congo, 1986-88, prior to his assignment to Baghdad.

Ambassador Wilson was raised in California and graduated from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1972. He is a graduate of the Senior Seminar (1992), the most advanced International Affairs training offered by the U.S. Government. He speaks fluent French.

Ambassador Wilson holds the Department of Defense Distinguished Service Award, the Department of State Superior and Meritorious Honor Awards, the University of California, Santa Barbara Distinguished Alumnus Award, and the American Foreign Service Association William R. Rivkin Award. Additionally, he has been decorated as a Commander in the Order of the Equatorial Star by the Government of Gabon and as an Admiral in the El Paso Navy by the El Paso County Commissioners.

He is married to the former Valerie Plame and has two sons and two daughters.

His interview can be reached via this webite.

Or downloaded here.

09-27-2003, 03:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
rodgerd Psycho Location: Wellington, New Zealand	CIA Wants to Get Heavy on Administration So, the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate who in the administration leaked information about an undercover agent to the press. For those of you who don't remember, the agent's husband was the one who investigated the claims Iraq had obtained uranium; when his report came back stating this was untrue, the administration lied and claimed they had. When it eventually came out that the story had been a lie, it was claimed by conservative columnist Robert Novak that an adminstration official had been running around telling all and sundry the details of the CIA agent as revenge. Of course, there's fat chance that the Ashcroft Justice Department will actually do anything about it, but it's amazing what lengths it appears the present US administration will go to (acts of treason) to "get" anyone on their bad sides. Last edited by rodgerd; 09-27-2003 at 03:17 PM..

09-27-2003, 06:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	Karl Rove makes the Baby Jesus weep. __________________ Nizzle

09-28-2003, 11:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Downtownat10 Crazy Location: A Fortified Compound, East Coast	Well, actually, I just wrote a rather lengthy post about this on my own site, and I am happy to see the event mentioned here.... In all honesty, Novak is not really the person to blame in this incident. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the guy for a number of personal reasons, and I think it was completely wrong that he put her name in the article months ago. However, based upon the actual text of the Intelligence Identity Protection Act, the blame goes to the person who had access to the classified information. While I agree that the person responsible should be taken from the White House in a burlap bag and pulled down Pennsylvania Avenue tied to the bumper of Wilson's car, to put the blame on Novak is essentially shooting the messenger. If anybody wants to know the rest of what I thought on this matter, PM me and I will send you a link to the post on my site. I would post it here, but got in trouble once before for what was considered "plugging." __________________ Heh. Oops. Sorry about that one...

09-29-2003, 09:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	If it all pans out and this story is true, the person/people involved should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. It is disgusting and politics at its worst. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

09-29-2003, 11:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	If all this turns out to be true, I will be very dissappointed in this administration. Giving up an agent because you don't like the truth being told you by the agent's husband should result in jail time for someone. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

09-27-2003, 08:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Here is some more on this dailykos It's a political weblog, but a really good one.

09-28-2003, 04:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	I bet this administration has an "enemies list" and y'know as dodgy as Nixon was at least he wrote his own list - Bush probably doesn't know half the names on the list and Rove isn't willing to explain them.

09-28-2003, 11:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
prb Psycho	I agree with Superbelt. Somebody has to answer for this in a really big way. Anybody know if Bush is ever going to hold another press conference?

09-29-2003, 07:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Well "her entire team of overseas assets were liquidated. " denotes people in a team. So yeah, people died because of this. Many people.

09-29-2003, 05:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	"Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this. In July I was interviewing a senior administration official on Ambassador Wilson's report when he told me the trip was inspired by his wife, a CIA employee working on weapons of mass destruction. Another senior official told me the same thing. As a professional journalist with 46 years experience in Washington I do not reveal confidential sources. When I called the CIA in July to confirm Mrs. Wilson's involvement in the mission for her husband -- he is a former Clinton administration official -- they asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else. According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operator, and not in charge of undercover operatives'... " --Robert Novak

09-29-2003, 05:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Ok he is changing his story now that the heat is on. But you know what? He still aserts that two senior admin officials TOLD him about it. Just releasing the name breaks treason laws. So the situation hasn't changed, there is just a spin on it now.

09-29-2003, 06:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Did the current bush administration actually believe the folks at the C.I.A. would forgive and forget? Bwa - Ha - Ha - Ha. A category 5 shit tsunami is about to come down on some punk ass bitches in the People's House. Remind me to cry them a river. 2Wolves

09-29-2003, 06:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	All we need are the phone logs. One way or another it will prove this. Especially if 6 specific reporters are called by two different Senior Admin officials. Just turn em all over.

09-30-2003, 03:57 AM	#18 (permalink)
TawG Crazy	bush sucks!

09-30-2003, 09:52 AM	#22 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I really don't understand why Novak isn't getting any flak for this. He isn't free of responsibility for putting CIA operatives in danger, since he is the one that exposed them, heh. He should lose his job at the very least. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

09-30-2003, 10:01 AM	#23 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	He should lose his job, but freedom of speech should protect him (and rightly so) The blame lies with those who gave him the information, Novak signed no non-disclosure documents. He is morally bankrupt but not a criminal.

09-30-2003, 04:05 PM	#25 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ The Second Gonzales letter, released late Tuesday ... The following notice was sent to all White House employees: IMPORTANT FOLLOW-UP MESSAGE FROM COUNSEL'S OFFICE This communication is a follow-up to the directive I sent you this morning regarding the preservation of certain materials in the possession of the White House, its staff, or its employees. Pursuant to a request from the Department of Justice, I am instructing you to preserve and maintain the following: "[F]or the time period February 1, 2002 to the present, all documents, including without limitation all electronic records, telephone records of any kind (including but not limited to any records that memorialize telephone calls having been made), correspondence, computer records, storage devices, notes, memoranda, and diary and calendar entries, that relate in any way to: 1. Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, his trip to Niger in February 2002, and/or his wife's purported relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency; 2. Contacts with any member or representative of the news media about Joseph C. Wilson, his trip to Niger in February 2002, and/or his wife's purported relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency; and 3. Contacts with reporters Knut Royce, Timothy M. Phelps, or Robert D. Novak, or any individual(s) acting directly or indirectly, on behalf of these reporters." You must preserve all documents relating, in any way, directly or indirectly, to these subjects, even if there would be a question whether the document would be a presidential or federal record or even if its destruction might otherwise be permitted. If you have any questions regarding any of the foregoing, please contact Associate Counsels Ted Ullyot or Raul Yanes in the Counsel to the President's Office. Alberto R. Gonzales Counsel to the President Knut Royce and Timothy Phelps of Newsday have done some of the best reporting of anyone in town on the whole issue of Iraq, politicized intelligence and the Joe Wilson matter. They've clearly got some awfully good and pretty generous sources. What are their names doing in this memo? They reported early on Novak's original column. But why that should put them in the mix here isn't immediately clear. -- Josh Marshall ========================= Intimadation of journalists? Not just for breakfast anymore. 2Wolves

09-30-2003, 05:34 PM	#26 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/220207.shtml "Thou shalt not fuck with the spooks because you'll awake to find a live cobra inserted in thy rectum." 2Wolves

09-30-2003, 06:18 PM	#27 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Hardball (MSNBC - 9/30/03): CHRIS MATTHEWS: Don't you think it's more serious than Watergate, when you think about it? RNC CHAIRMAN ED GILLESPIE: I think if the allegation is true, to reveal the identity of an undercover CIA operative -- it's abhorrent, and it should be a crime, and it is a crime. CHRIS MATTHEWS: It'd be worse than Watergate, wouldn't it? GILLESPIE: It's -- Yeah, I suppose in terms of the real world implications of it. It's not just politics. ==================== Even allowing for the disclaimer this is a stunning statement from the Chairman of the RNC. 2Wolves

09-30-2003, 06:34 PM	#28 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	Actually, a British journalist here in the states today filed a report that indicates that White House political guru Karl Rove is the source of the leaks. Rove, it should be noted, is the subject of the book "Bush's Brain." He is an accomplished political operator who has been quoted as having one of the Tammany Hall bosses as who he wanted to grow up to be. Rove is widely credited for placing George W. Bush in a position to win the 2000 election, and is generally considered to be the eminence grise behind the current administration. He does, however, have a prior history of leaking information in the service of the Republican Party. He was fired from George H.W. Bush's presidential campaign in 1992 for leaking information to a reporter. That reporter, it should be noted, was Robert Novak. Coincidence? Possibly. Joseph Wilson, husband to the recently outed Valerie Plame also fingered Rove in a July appearance in Seattle. So what happens to George W. Bush if and when Karl Rove is frogmarched out of the White House in handcuffs? __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

09-30-2003, 11:41 PM	#32 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	I don't watch television, sir. Every article in the mainstream newspapers is reporting it, obviously (cough, 4 months after it happend). But the spin is the same. "Bush is fully cooperating." Of course he is, John Ashcroft is conducting the "investigation." The whole thing is a farce. If I missed an article that is suggesting Bush himself is responsible for the leaks, please, don't hesitate to point it out to me. __________________ Nizzle

10-01-2003, 03:19 AM	#34 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Hey being forced to play on the public golf courses with OJ because everyone knows you are a crook who personally ruined thousands of lives and started the windfall that ruined millions, because the club is too snooty about "ethics", is punishment enough don't you think?

10-01-2003, 10:08 AM	#36 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	I hope that this doesnt 'go away' I'd like to find out who is responsible and hope to god that heads will roll for this. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill