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HarmlessRabbit · 07-07-2003, 06:14 PM

I'm not sure if anyone is still a fan of this guy, but he's been fired from his home station and now MSNBC. I used to see him as just another Limbaugh clone, but he seemed to go off the deep end a few months ago. I say good riddance.

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MSNBC fires Savage on anti-gay remarks

DAVID BAUDER
Associated Press

NEW YORK - MSNBC on Monday fired Michael Savage for anti-gay comments.

The popular radio talk show host who did a weekend TV show for the cable channel referred to an unidentified caller to his show Saturday as a "sodomite" and said he should "get AIDS and die."

"His comments were extremely inappropriate and the decision was an easy one," MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said.

There was no immediate comment from Savage, according to a spokesman at his office in California.

The brash, tough-talking Savage is one of radio's hottest jocks. His Paul Revere Society advocates closing borders, deporting illegal immigrants, mandating health tests for immigrants and eliminating entitlement programs.

The televised version of "The Savage Nation" began March 8 despite the protests of such advocacy groups as the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

Aired at 5 p.m. EDT Saturday, Savage didn't translate into a television hit. He increased the ratings for the time slot marginally, according to MSNBC.

The incident that resulted in his firing began innocently enough. Savage was taking viewer phone calls about airline horror stories, and a male caller began talking about smoking in the bathroom.

"Half an hour into the flight, I need to suggest that Don and Mike take your ..." the caller said, before he was cut off and his words became unintelligible.

"So you're one of those sodomists. Are you a sodomite?" Savage asked.

The caller replied: "Yes, I am."

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites," Savage said. "You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."

He asked for another phone caller who "didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today."

These bums "mean nothing to me," he said.

GLAAD spokeswoman Cathy Renna said of Savage's firing: "It's about time.

"This latest attack made the clearest case for why Savage has no place on any reputable news network. MSNBC witnessed firsthand exactly the kind of verbal assaults GLAAD's been warning them about for the past five months, and to their credit, they backed up their promises to hold Savage accountable."

seretogis · 07-07-2003, 06:33 PM

Good riddance. It's a shame that retards like that try to pass as conservative commentators. Rush may be a bit harsh sometimes, but I don't think I've ever heard him be that much of an ignorant ass.

Kabsnow · 07-07-2003, 06:40 PM

i'm glad.

its disgusting that there are still people like him alive and proud of it

The_Dude · 07-07-2003, 07:08 PM

never heard of the guy, but if he made comments like that, he shouldnt be workin in national tv

papermachesatan · 07-07-2003, 07:19 PM

What an asshole. Good fucking riddance.

JoeyB · 07-07-2003, 08:20 PM

Why did MSNBC think they were going to get anything less from Savage? Did they ever listen to his show in San Francisco? I'm not defending his comments, but MSNBC shares some responsibility for giving him the forum.

I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh's opinions, but I've never heard him cross the line into bigotry and hatred. Rush's blindly partisan politics (just as bad as narrow-minded liberals) is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as people who spout off such hateful rhetoric as Savage.

A closed mind is a dangerous weapon.

seretogis · 07-07-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by JoeyB
Why did MSNBC think they were going to get anything less from Savage? Did they ever listen to his show in San Francisco? I'm not defending his comments, but MSNBC shares some responsibility for giving him the forum.

I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh's opinions, but I've never heard him cross the line into bigotry and hatred. Rush's blindly partisan politics (just as bad as narrow-minded liberals) is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as people who spout off such hateful rhetoric as Savage.

A closed mind is a dangerous weapon.

First off, if I was a conspiracy theorist I would say that they hired Savage only to portray the image that conservative = bigoted asshole and that firing him was inevitible, and even planned.

Secondly, Rush is a Republican and he doesn't pretend otherwise. When you listen to Rush you know what you are getting, whereas major media networks pretend to be unbiased when they are everything but. I would think that presenting a facade of unbiased, objective, information when you in fact are not, would be more "dangerous" than stating your intentions and being up-front about your political beliefs.

JoeyB · 07-07-2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis

Secondly, Rush is a Republican and he doesn't pretend otherwise. When you listen to Rush you know what you are getting, whereas major media networks pretend to be unbiased when they are everything but. I would think that presenting a facade of unbiased, objective, information when you in fact are not, would be more "dangerous" than stating your intentions and being up-front about your political beliefs.

I'm not asking Rush, or anyone else to be someone or something they're not. I agree with you, someone claiming to be one thing, yet actually believing another is also dangerous.

I'm just a bit confused as to why most political discussions turn into angry, partisan rhetoric. Why do people confuse closed-minds and vitriolic comments with passion and commitment???

Believe what you like--why feel the need to disparage others in the process?

HarmlessRabbit · 07-07-2003, 08:59 PM

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I'm just a bit confused as to why most political discussions turn into angry, partisan rhetoric. Why do people confuse closed-minds and vitriolic comments with passion and commitment???

because conservative muckrakers like Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter and Matt Drudge lowered the bar to that level.

/me runs for the door

crumbbum · 07-07-2003, 09:09 PM

I don't know how seriously Savage could have ever been taken- his radio show was certainly amusing though, hearing him go off. Telling anyone that they should get AIDS and die is inexcusable though. He has a right to his opinions, if he is against gay marriage or whatnot, but regardless of one's opinion of homosexuals or homosexuality is, all people in this country are citizens, and all people are human beings. Sorry to hear such hateful statemens coming from him- like I said, I found him amusing the random times I was flipping through the stations and came across his show. Certainly spirited.

seretogis · 07-08-2003, 12:33 AM

Calling Savage and O'Reilly "serious conservative commentators" is like calling Howard Stern a distinguished radio personality.

sixate · 07-08-2003, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Calling Savage and O'Reilly "serious conservative commentators" is like calling Howard Stern a distinguished radio personality.

I have to disagree with you. Stern is a distinguished radio personality wether people like it or not. People know who he is and he's extrememly popular. Let's not forget that every single radio station has a Stern impersonator. How many other people can you say that about? I'll answer that for you...... None.

HarmlessRabbit · 07-08-2003, 09:33 AM

I agree with sixate. Stern changed the face of radio. He's a great entertainer, knows his audience, and made a lot of money along the way.

Really, you can say the same about Rush. I may not agree with the man's politics, but as an entertainer and radio personality, he really delivers the listeners for his stations and his advertisers, and that's what it's all about.

Mojo_PeiPei · 07-08-2003, 10:19 AM

Hey O' Reilly kicks ass. Sure he may be an ass, but he knows his shit and he will bring it to people.

sportsrule101 · 07-08-2003, 10:24 AM

Rush can be fun to listen to in short periods, which is more then i can say for some other extreamist, on both sides.

Sparhawk · 07-08-2003, 10:50 AM

Next up,

Ann Coulter Bitch.

geep · 07-08-2003, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Hey O' Reilly kicks ass. Sure he may be an ass, but he knows his shit and he will bring it to people.

He may be a little pompous, but how many people in the public eye aren't?

Conclamo Ludus · 07-08-2003, 02:48 PM

If only he had some rhyming talent he could at least keep making money off of music.

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JoeyB · 07-08-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Hey O' Reilly kicks ass. Sure he may be an ass, but he knows his shit and he will bring it to people.

I enjoy watching O'Reilly, but he completely loses me when he refuses to listen to his guests when they happen to make a good point. I understand that it's his show, but just because your name is on the credits doesn't mean that you're the only who is allowed to appear intelligent!

Phaenx · 07-08-2003, 05:15 PM

Being that I have a dark sense of humor, Savage is sounding more and more entertaining.

mike059 · 07-08-2003, 06:50 PM

I think that they are all assholes with their own agendas. All talk radio is is a forum for singleminded , pompous assholes to spout their opinion as truth, they are as bad as jerry falwell and pat robertson. Howard Stern hit his high point years ago and has been drifting down into the abyss of boring ever since...

sixate · 07-08-2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Being that I have a dark sense of humor, Savage is sounding more and more entertaining.

I like Savage. So I'm sure that you would too.

tikki · 07-08-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Hey O' Reilly kicks ass. Sure he may be an ass, but he knows his shit and he will bring it to people.

O'Reilly has gotten more and more stuck on himself in the past year and a half. It has gotten so bad that when MSNBC brought back Keith Olberman, I switched over and now watch Countdown.

As for Michael Savage, I enjoy listening to his radio show. It's only on for an hour here, and that is just right. I don't think I could listen to any more of that in a day.

His MSNBC show was destined for failure anyway. Saturday afternoon? Please! If they were serious about getting his message out, he would be on in place of Dan Abrams going up against Hannity and Colmes.

seretogis · 07-09-2003, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by sixate
I have to disagree with you. Stern is a distinguished radio personality wether people like it or not. People know who he is and he's extrememly popular. Let's not forget that every single radio station has a Stern impersonator. How many other people can you say that about? I'll answer that for you...... None.

s/distinguished/respectable/

He's popular among 12 year old boys who think the word "penis" is hilarious. I think it is wrong to suggest that he is a "pioneer" simply because he managed to lower comedic standards for DJs.

tikki · 07-09-2003, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by seretogis
s/distinguished/respectable/

He's popular among 12 year old boys who think the word "penis" is hilarious.

Well, his real name is Michael Weiner

geep · 07-09-2003, 05:38 AM

Whatever you think of Michael Savage, one thing is clear, he has a right to say whatever he wants (just like the Natalie Maines does). The people at MSNBC also have the right to fire him, too. Ain't freedom grand?

HarmlessRabbit · 07-09-2003, 09:06 AM

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Whatever you think of Michael Savage, one thing is clear, he has a right to say whatever he wants

I know you're just making a brief statement, but I can't let that slide. Savage couldn't, for example, encourage his listeners to riot in the street and kill people.

Freedom of speech has important limits.

Sparhawk · 07-09-2003, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
I know you're just making a brief statement, but I can't let that slide. Savage couldn't, for example, encourage his listeners to riot in the street and kill people.

Freedom of speech has important limits.

No, but he did something comparable, and was justly fired for it, like geep said.

geep · 07-09-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
No, but he did something comparable, and was justly fired for it, like geep said.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can encourage people to break the law. Mr. Savage was an "employee at will" and, essentially, gave up his individual right to free speech when he chose to represent MSNBC.

sixate · 07-09-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
s/distinguished/respectable/

He's popular among 12 year old boys who think the word "penis" is hilarious. I think it is wrong to suggest that he is a "pioneer" simply because he managed to lower comedic standards for DJs.

Just because you don't think that what he does is distinguished/respectable doesn't mean that it isn't. The funny thing is that all over TV I see shows doing things that he's been doing for twenty years, but somehow that's OK. It makes no sense. He changed the way radio is broadcast and has influenced many things that are on TV. I'm sure that some of those things you like. I consider him distinguished because he has changed so many things, does what he wants, and has a shitload of imitators all over the place. His show is top rated and it doesn't even reach as many markets as the other top shows in the country. All that is ignored for some reason.

The great thing about Stern is that people of all ages, genders and, races like him. The downside is that because he may be controversial to some, many people also hate him.

seretogis · 07-09-2003, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
The funny thing is that all over TV I see shows doing things that he's been doing for twenty years, but somehow that's OK.

Please list TV shows that Stern influenced, which are better than others.

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Originally posted by sixate
His show is top rated and it doesn't even reach as many markets as the other top shows in the country. All that is ignored for some reason.

The great thing about Stern is that people of all ages, genders and, races like him. The downside is that because he may be controversial to some, many people also hate him.

Stern is an idiot. The fact that an idiot who says "boobs" and "penis" a lot can get high ratings is not a positive observation about Stern himself, it's a sign of how low comedic standards have gotten. If anything, he's helped bring comedy down to its lowest form -- is that something to be proud of?

Macheath · 07-09-2003, 11:18 PM

That's just crude. The whole modern conservative MO is to say, for example... "Well I'm a pretty tolerant guy but when you people have those nude gay parades, why do I have to explain to my six year old what those two men are doing, etc."...or something like that.

I though that was one of the first things they learnt in right wing pundit school? This Savage fella is probably some kind of parody a la seretogis' conspiracy theory.

geep · 07-10-2003, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by Macheath
That's just crude. The whole modern conservative MO is to say, for example... "Well I'm a pretty tolerant guy but when you people have those nude gay parades, why do I have to explain to my six year old what those two men are doing, etc."...or something like that.

I though that was one of the first things they learnt in right wing pundit school? This Savage fella is probably some kind of parody a la seretogis' conspiracy theory.

Tolerance is not a one way street.

Sparhawk · 07-10-2003, 08:16 AM

You gotta come up with a better example, Macheath...

"nude gay parades"

lol

seretogis · 07-10-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
You gotta come up with a better example, Macheath...

"nude gay parades"

lol

Well, I agree with Macheath in a way. The "gay community" / "gay groups" claim to want tolerance, and then sponsor events which are so racey that it shoves it in the face of those nearby who are straight. If you want people to accept gays, you don't shove nude men and penises in their face 24/7 to convince them. The only way that the "gay community" can win is to show that they, too, can be as responsible as straight people when it comes to marriage, raising children, and contributing to society -- not by parading around in thongs. Contrary to popular belief (thanks to said gay groups), every gay man is not a bathroom-lurking slut interior decorator. They're so desperate for any sort of recognition, that they're going about it in a very wrong way.

Pardon the off-topic-edness.

smooth · 07-10-2003, 09:37 AM

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood Macheath. That's a Bill O'Reilly quote, not a condemnation of "nude gay parades".

Or, maybe you did understand Macheath. After all, you confirmed his point about the conservative MO.

Macheath · 07-10-2003, 01:11 PM

Full points smooth, amazing you got the O'Reilly connection - I didn't even quote him verbatim.

ahem...

"There are straight parades with nude folks and lurid costumes.."

/in case I ever have to argue with O'Reilly.

HamiC · 07-13-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by seretogis
They're so desperate for any sort of recognition, that they're going about it in a very wrong way.

I suspect that the group you describe is a small, but very visible, minority of the overall gay population. I also suspect that this minority's motivation has less to do with a need for "recognition" and more to do with a desire to rebel in a very open way (with other like-minded individuals) against a society where many who consider them worthy of catching some disease and dying (as evidenced by Mr. Savage) are idolized, emulated, and put on pedestals.

While I personally question the effectiveness of wearing a thong as a political statement, I can't begin to understand the frustration of having society try to teach you to hate yourself.

HarmlessRabbit · 07-14-2003, 02:09 PM

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Well, I agree with Macheath in a way. The "gay community" / "gay groups" claim to want tolerance, and then sponsor events which are so racey that it shoves it in the face of those nearby who are straight. If you want people to accept gays, you don't shove nude men and penises in their face 24/7 to convince them. The only way that the "gay community" can win is to show that they, too, can be as responsible as straight people when it comes to marriage, raising children, and contributing to society -- not by parading around in thongs. Contrary to popular belief (thanks to said gay groups), every gay man is not a bathroom-lurking slut interior decorator. They're so desperate for any sort of recognition, that they're going about it in a very wrong way.

You say that as-if the "gay community" is some big membership group that has a big convention every year to plan the "gay agenda". It's the uptight sexual morals of middle-america the produce many of the problems in the USA today. In Europe, if you turn on Canal+ after 10pm you get hardcore porn on public TV, and I don't see european kids turning into sexual deviants. People who act like "gay" is a sickness that will rub off on their kids if they see too much of it are funny.

With the USA divorce rate around 50%, I'm wholly unconvinced that the "straight" population has any skill whatsoever at raising kids or having a good marriage. Our of my entire circle of friends, I can think of ONE person whose parents are still married, on their first marriage, and still like each other. In fact, how about we outlaw straight marriage for a few years and give the gay population a chance? They certainly can't do any worse.

seretogis · 07-15-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
You say that as-if the "gay community" is some big membership group that has a big convention every year to plan the "gay agenda".

There is a reason that I used quotes, and also referred to "gay groups". The whole of gays (aka community), myself included, are being vocally represented by a minority (aka groups) who are shameless elitests. So in the end, being gay has been turned from merely a sexual preference to a complete lifestyle which has its own strict set philosophical and political beliefs. That, in my opinion, is wrong and something that I do not want to be a part of.

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
It's the uptight sexual morals of middle-america the produce many of the problems in the USA today. In Europe, if you turn on Canal+ after 10pm you get hardcore porn on public TV, and I don't see european kids turning into sexual deviants. People who act like "gay" is a sickness that will rub off on their kids if they see too much of it are funny.

Tell me again how hardcore porn on public TV will solve our problems.

I think you are really off-base here.

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
With the USA divorce rate around 50%, I'm wholly unconvinced that the "straight" population has any skill whatsoever at raising kids or having a good marriage. Our of my entire circle of friends, I can think of ONE person whose parents are still married, on their first marriage, and still like each other. In fact, how about we outlaw straight marriage for a few years and give the gay population a chance? They certainly can't do any worse.

I agree with you here. However, good luck on gay parenting skills being seen as anything but laughable while the community itself is seen as sex-crazed cross-dressing fruits that will suck anything for a dollar. The public image of gays in the US is not a positive one, and will remain negative as long as such ridiculous stereotypes are reinforced by the politically inactive public.

07-07-2003, 06:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Good riddance. It's a shame that retards like that try to pass as conservative commentators. Rush may be a bit harsh sometimes, but I don't think I've ever heard him be that much of an ignorant ass. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-07-2003, 07:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	never heard of the guy, but if he made comments like that, he shouldnt be workin in national tv __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-07-2003, 08:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Why did MSNBC think they were going to get anything less from Savage? Did they ever listen to his show in San Francisco? I'm not defending his comments, but MSNBC shares some responsibility for giving him the forum. I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh's opinions, but I've never heard him cross the line into bigotry and hatred. Rush's blindly partisan politics (just as bad as narrow-minded liberals) is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as people who spout off such hateful rhetoric as Savage. A closed mind is a dangerous weapon. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

07-07-2003, 09:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
crumbbum Crazy Location: CT,NYC,NJ(have been all over)	I don't know how seriously Savage could have ever been taken- his radio show was certainly amusing though, hearing him go off. Telling anyone that they should get AIDS and die is inexcusable though. He has a right to his opinions, if he is against gay marriage or whatnot, but regardless of one's opinion of homosexuals or homosexuality is, all people in this country are citizens, and all people are human beings. Sorry to hear such hateful statemens coming from him- like I said, I found him amusing the random times I was flipping through the stations and came across his show. Certainly spirited. __________________ Truth is peace. We are all souls in bodies.

07-08-2003, 12:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Calling Savage and O'Reilly "serious conservative commentators" is like calling Howard Stern a distinguished radio personality. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-07-2003, 06:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kabsnow Registered User Location: CA	i'm glad. its disgusting that there are still people like him alive and proud of it

07-07-2003, 07:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
papermachesatan Psycho Location: Texas	What an asshole. Good fucking riddance.

07-08-2003, 09:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
HarmlessRabbit Junkie Location: San Jose, CA	I agree with sixate. Stern changed the face of radio. He's a great entertainer, knows his audience, and made a lot of money along the way. Really, you can say the same about Rush. I may not agree with the man's politics, but as an entertainer and radio personality, he really delivers the listeners for his stations and his advertisers, and that's what it's all about.

07-08-2003, 10:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Hey O' Reilly kicks ass. Sure he may be an ass, but he knows his shit and he will bring it to people. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

07-08-2003, 10:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	Rush can be fun to listen to in short periods, which is more then i can say for some other extreamist, on both sides. __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-08-2003, 10:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	Next up, Ann Coulter Bitch. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

07-08-2003, 02:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	If only he had some rhyming talent he could at least keep making money off of music. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RgDVAswVfhJnZhMxT7oeAA9oJZRTdKhp!8vSa4pfmyFIh7WvotYFjmcetFbpY0ueyXIBAEUVgg3DMHtZkW!pw6zoV2VC!ybWUNWE3GcaE/eminem.jpg?dc=4675429470884078510[/img] __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

07-08-2003, 05:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Being that I have a dark sense of humor, Savage is sounding more and more entertaining. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-08-2003, 06:50 PM	#21 (permalink)
mike059 Tilted Location: Pensacola, Florida	I think that they are all assholes with their own agendas. All talk radio is is a forum for singleminded , pompous assholes to spout their opinion as truth, they are as bad as jerry falwell and pat robertson. Howard Stern hit his high point years ago and has been drifting down into the abyss of boring ever since...

07-09-2003, 05:38 AM	#26 (permalink)
geep Insane Location: Imprisoned in Ecotopia	Whatever you think of Michael Savage, one thing is clear, he has a right to say whatever he wants (just like the Natalie Maines does). The people at MSNBC also have the right to fire him, too. Ain't freedom grand?

07-09-2003, 11:18 PM	#32 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	That's just crude. The whole modern conservative MO is to say, for example... "Well I'm a pretty tolerant guy but when you people have those nude gay parades, why do I have to explain to my six year old what those two men are doing, etc."...or something like that. I though that was one of the first things they learnt in right wing pundit school? This Savage fella is probably some kind of parody a la seretogis' conspiracy theory.

07-10-2003, 08:16 AM	#34 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	You gotta come up with a better example, Macheath... "nude gay parades" lol __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

07-10-2003, 09:37 AM	#36 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	I'm pretty sure you misunderstood Macheath. That's a Bill O'Reilly quote, not a condemnation of "nude gay parades". Or, maybe you did understand Macheath. After all, you confirmed his point about the conservative MO. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

07-10-2003, 01:11 PM	#37 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	Full points smooth, amazing you got the O'Reilly connection - I didn't even quote him verbatim. ahem... "There are straight parades with nude folks and lurid costumes.." /in case I ever have to argue with O'Reilly.