Anne coulter...again..."Jews need to be perfected" - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Paq · 10-11-2007, 10:02 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=555880339&play=1

I don't even know where to begin...

actually, i know that spouting s**t will get you noticed and make you money....but ..i don't even think freaking stern goes this far. Insulting an entire religion and then proceeding to speak on behalf of all christians....

wow
just wow.

btw, this can be put in tilted nonsense bc it's another coulter thread, I just thought it'd fit in here.

i'm not even jewish and that hurt me.

connyosis · 10-12-2007, 07:22 AM

Oh lord, Ann Coulter is so batshit crazy it's not even funny. I automatically tune out every time I hear her voice. She is just not worth getting upset over.

mixedmedia · 10-12-2007, 07:38 AM

she is so done...she has to resort to further and further depths of farcical buffoonery to get anyone to pay attention to her.

I'm convinced that she should do her next book tour in the nude.

roachboy · 10-12-2007, 07:50 AM

dear ann coulter:

please do not do your next book tour in the nude.

your pal

roachboy.

the remarkable thing is not that her credibility is now shot to hell, but more that she ever had credibility to shoot to hell.

highthief · 10-12-2007, 09:05 AM

She's the Britney Spears of the political pundits crowd.

Actually, i think Britney has more credibility ...

FoolThemAll · 10-12-2007, 09:36 AM

I really don't get the big deal here. She basically said this: "Christianity is right, Judaism is wrong".

Well... in some loose sense of the word, she's a Christian, isn't she? Why wouldn't she believe that? Why stick with Christianity if it's not the One True Religion?

It's not like there's a shortage of absurd Coulter quotes out there. Coulter's an attention-whoring joke at best.

But I can't get too riled up over this one.

Yakk · 10-12-2007, 09:42 AM

But remember: She is still popular.

Willravel · 10-12-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Yakk

But remember: She is still popular.

A world in which she's popular isn't worth saving.

Lucifer · 10-12-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Yakk

But remember: She is still popular.

So is Hitler.

Elphaba · 10-12-2007, 10:11 AM

She has a new book to shill and she creates a new outrage to drum up sales. It's always worked in the past and it will again for those that agree with her and buy her books. Sadly, there are enough of those to make each book a best seller.

Daoust · 10-12-2007, 11:59 AM

What FoolThemAll said.

You are well within your rights to think that the thinks Coulter says are batshit crazy because they reflect her fundamentalist, backwards, extremist views.

I think the same thing about Dawkins and his views, expressed in his books.

To each their own.

Plan9 · 10-12-2007, 07:00 PM

Here's a good response to Anne Coulter's insanity by Henry Rollins:

...but mostly, Anne? You will shut the fuck up.

...

In the words of Thomas Rogers:

"I'm going to pee in her butt.

Show her who's boss, boooiii!"

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

So is Hitler.

Pfft! You can't find either of them on a lunch box, though.

Baraka_Guru · 10-12-2007, 08:16 PM

I like what one commentator said: That the next logical step in Coulter's thinking implies that Christians need to be perfected by Muslims, since Mohammed is the last of the prophets.

I hope Coulter's ready for that.

Elphaba · 10-12-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

Here's a good response to Anne Coulter's insanity by Henry Rollins:

...but mostly, Anne? You will shut the fuck up.

Oh, what a find. I shall be spreading this far and wide.

Plan9 · 10-12-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphaba

Oh, what a find. I shall be spreading this far and wide.

Oh, don't forget this gem:

A Night w/ Anne Coulter

(cartoon)

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

I like what one commentator said: That the next logical step in Coulter's thinking implies that Christians need to be perfected by Muslims, since Mohammed is the last of the prophets.

I hope Coulter's ready for that.

Elementary! Logic-stack-tastic!

shakran · 10-13-2007, 12:41 AM

one would think she'd get tired of being a parody of herself.

james t kirk · 10-13-2007, 10:10 AM

Ooops, Anne just jumped the Shark.

You can say pretty much anything you want against whoever you want, but not against God's chosen people.

She's finished.

Daoust · 10-13-2007, 10:40 AM

Angry people who don't like Coulter:

Your arguments against Coulter are many, but can we sum them up in one statement for the sake of argument, that the reason many people don't like her is because she is intolerant of people who aren't like her. Right? Is that fair?

So your way of showing how much you don't like her is by being intolerant of her and people like her, namely conservatives, even further evangelical Christians and the like?

So you're fighting intolerance with intolerance. Is that an incorrect assumption?

albania · 10-13-2007, 11:04 AM

"Intolerance will not be tolerated."

Anywhoo, I don't know exactly what to make of her comment. Let's see, was it stupid and was it offensive? To answer my own questions, probably, and to some people yes. Should one get riled up because of it? (again I think I'll answer my own question) No, this is status quo, and what I've come to expect from her. Therefore, whenever she's brought up I’ve resigned myself only to comment this much: She’s hot and I wish she'd shut up.

Willravel · 10-13-2007, 11:04 AM

Yes, it's an incorrect assumption.

Baraka_Guru · 10-13-2007, 11:10 AM

For the record, I'm not angry, nor do I dislike Coulter. I have a problem with her ideas.

If by intolerance you mean not supporting the belief in dangerous ideas, then you could call me intolerant of what she said.

Daoust · 10-13-2007, 11:16 AM

Well, willravel and others, all your arguments are essentially the same...

"I hate her, she should die. She's an idiot, she's blind. She's wrong."

What you all really are hating is what you perceive as her intolerance toward anyone who's not like her, which includes most of you. You don't like being the victim of intolerance, or ignorance, or whatever you want to call it. That's fair. I don't like it either when I am the butt of intolerant peoples rants.

I just wonder about the way that people are responding to Coulter. It just seems that many are being intolerant of her views, and justifying it by saying she was intolerant first. I just don't like that kind of arguing. It seems weak.

tecoyah · 10-13-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

Well, willravel and others, all your arguments are essentially the same...

"I hate her, she should die. She's an idiot, she's blind. She's wrong."

What you all really are hating is what you perceive as her intolerance toward anyone who's not like her, which includes most of you. You don't like being the victim of intolerance, or ignorance, or whatever you want to call it. That's fair. I don't like it either when I am the butt of intolerant peoples rants.

I just wonder about the way that people are responding to Coulter. It just seems that many are being intolerant of her views, and justifying it by saying she was intolerant first. I just don't like that kind of arguing. It seems weak.

I think you may be putting opinions into other peoples minds (vs. words in mouth), My perception is not that people actually care one way or another if she is intolerant towards them per se....more that she spews such intolerance at all while she is in a position to influence so many.

But I could be wrong....thats just how I see it.

albania · 10-13-2007, 11:32 AM

I think you’ve mixed up tolerance and acceptance. I think everyone here tolerates Ann Coulter in so far as no one wants her to go to jail, or be killed because of the things she said or believes. That’s tolerance, and it doesn’t mean they have to accept what she says neutrally. That is to say you don’t have to try to understand her side of the story or even have one iota of belief that in some way she could possibly be correct to be tolerant. To this end people are free to disagree strongly or even hate her because of what she says. I don’t see that as being intolerant; I see it as having an opinion.

dc_dux · 10-13-2007, 11:36 AM

I equate Coulter with yellow journalism.

There is obviously a market of millions for such writers, but I am not among them.

If that is intolerance, so be it.

ubertuber · 10-13-2007, 11:38 AM

Being a tolerant individual doesn't mean tolerating intolerance. That's bootstrap problem if I ever heard one.

I prefer not being caught in a rhetorical trap which requires me to listen to Ann Coulter's nearly incoherent hate.

Baraka_Guru · 10-13-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

I just wonder about the way that people are responding to Coulter. It just seems that many are being intolerant of her views, and justifying it by saying she was intolerant first. I just don't like that kind of arguing. It seems weak.

I don't think Jews need to be perfected by Christians. I would say that to her face, and I would be prepared to tell her why I think that. You call that weak?

She thinks everyone should be Christians. Are you saying we should accept that or appear weak or intolerant and hateful? I think the Dalai Lama would agree with me. Does that make him intolerant and hateful too?

Willravel · 10-13-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

Well, willravel and others, all your arguments are essentially the same...

"I hate her, she should die. She's an idiot, she's blind. She's wrong."

Don't make me post my strawman pictures again.

She's an idiot alright, but I don't like the people that listen to her because they were the same type of people who thought Man, that Hitler guy has some good ideas. I don't have hatred for people.

Plan9 · 10-13-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ubertuber

Being a tolerant individual doesn't mean tolerating intolerance.

Daoust · 10-13-2007, 12:12 PM

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Being a tolerant individual doesn't mean tolerating intolerance.

I love this argument. 'In the name of tolerance I denounce your intolerance!' Or, 'tolerance = intolerance of intolerance'. I think we're all intolerant. Tolerance is an absolute to which many may aspire to but none may reach. As soon as you identify an intolerant person you yourself become intolerant.

I can accept that I'm intolerant. I'm intolerant of people who do things or say things that are contrary to, or violate, my moral/ethical code. Very few people don't violate my moral/ethical code at some point in their lives. And I don't like it. I don't want to tolerate it. If I did tolerate it, on some level I'd be accepting it.

I'm intolerant of people who think they're tolerant, but really they're the grossest examples of intolerance.

Plan9 · 10-13-2007, 12:19 PM

(does the vernacular Safety Dance)

filtherton · 10-13-2007, 01:02 PM

Daoust, you're presuming that one's attitude towards tolerance must necessarily be either black or white. Not all intolerance is created equal. There also isn't necessarily anything inconsistent about promoting tolerance in some situations and not in others. I can be tolerant of some things and intolerant of others and the fact that i'm intolerant of some things does not make me intolerant of all things.

That being said, fuck ann coulter. She's anathematic to anything even remotely resembling civilized political discourse. You can wring your hands about the ironic way in which that statement was made all you want- it doesn't make for interesting or compelling criticism to me.

Willravel · 10-13-2007, 01:28 PM

I am surprised that anyone would fight for Anne.

filtherton · 10-13-2007, 01:32 PM

Peter cetera would- he wrote a song about it, but it got co-opted by the elitist hollywood liberals who made the karate kid part 2. It's partly how miyagi got his speaking gig at the 2000 democratic national convention.

JohnBua · 10-13-2007, 08:37 PM

Isn't she saying that her religon is the right one? Isn't that the point of religon? When she starts killing or calling for the death of the infidels, I will be concerned. I was always taught that Jews are to be pitied cause they failed to recognise the messiah. Isn't that the same thing she just said?

Plan9 · 10-14-2007, 05:44 AM

Omigod... religion is such a bad idea!

mixedmedia · 10-14-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

I love this argument. 'In the name of tolerance I denounce your intolerance!' Or, 'tolerance = intolerance of intolerance'. I think we're all intolerant. Tolerance is an absolute to which many may aspire to but none may reach. As soon as you identify an intolerant person you yourself become intolerant.

I can accept that I'm intolerant. I'm intolerant of people who do things or say things that are contrary to, or violate, my moral/ethical code. Very few people don't violate my moral/ethical code at some point in their lives. And I don't like it. I don't want to tolerate it. If I did tolerate it, on some level I'd be accepting it.

I'm intolerant of people who think they're tolerant, but really they're the grossest examples of intolerance.

So have you ever voiced any kind of displeasure with anyone? An annoying celebrity? An overrated pop star? An obnoxious relative? Is that intolerance?

The grossest examples of intolerance? You can't be serious.

filtherton · 10-14-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnBua

Isn't she saying that her religon is the right one? Isn't that the point of religon? When she starts killing or calling for the death of the infidels, I will be concerned. I was always taught that Jews are to be pitied cause they failed to recognise the messiah. Isn't that the same thing she just said?

Well, if she's being a bigot because her god told her to, then i guess that's okay.

Plan9 · 10-14-2007, 07:44 PM

Show of hands:

How many people would still have sex with her simply because she's mentally disgusting?

Baraka_Guru · 10-14-2007, 08:05 PM

*Sheepishly raises his hand*

10-11-2007, 10:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	Anne coulter...again..."Jews need to be perfected" http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=555880339&play=1 I don't even know where to begin... actually, i know that spouting s**t will get you noticed and make you money....but ..i don't even think freaking stern goes this far. Insulting an entire religion and then proceeding to speak on behalf of all christians.... wow just wow. btw, this can be put in tilted nonsense bc it's another coulter thread, I just thought it'd fit in here. i'm not even jewish and that hurt me. __________________ Live. Chris

10-12-2007, 07:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
connyosis Psycho Location: Sweden - Land of the sodomite damned	Oh lord, Ann Coulter is so batshit crazy it's not even funny. I automatically tune out every time I hear her voice. She is just not worth getting upset over. __________________ If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

10-12-2007, 07:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	she is so done...she has to resort to further and further depths of farcical buffoonery to get anyone to pay attention to her. I'm convinced that she should do her next book tour in the nude. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

10-12-2007, 07:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	dear ann coulter: please do not do your next book tour in the nude. your pal roachboy. the remarkable thing is not that her credibility is now shot to hell, but more that she ever had credibility to shoot to hell. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-12-2007, 09:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	She's the Britney Spears of the political pundits crowd. Actually, i think Britney has more credibility ... __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

10-12-2007, 09:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	I really don't get the big deal here. She basically said this: "Christianity is right, Judaism is wrong". Well... in some loose sense of the word, she's a Christian, isn't she? Why wouldn't she believe that? Why stick with Christianity if it's not the One True Religion? It's not like there's a shortage of absurd Coulter quotes out there. Coulter's an attention-whoring joke at best. But I can't get too riled up over this one. __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

10-12-2007, 09:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	But remember: She is still popular. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

10-12-2007, 10:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	She has a new book to shill and she creates a new outrage to drum up sales. It's always worked in the past and it will again for those that agree with her and buy her books. Sadly, there are enough of those to make each book a best seller. __________________ "You can't ignore politics, no matter how much you'd like to." Molly Ivins - 1944-2007

10-12-2007, 11:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	What FoolThemAll said. You are well within your rights to think that the thinks Coulter says are batshit crazy because they reflect her fundamentalist, backwards, extremist views. I think the same thing about Dawkins and his views, expressed in his books. To each their own. __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

10-12-2007, 08:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	I like what one commentator said: That the next logical step in Coulter's thinking implies that Christians need to be perfected by Muslims, since Mohammed is the last of the prophets. I hope Coulter's ready for that. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-13-2007, 12:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	one would think she'd get tired of being a parody of herself.

10-13-2007, 10:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	Ooops, Anne just jumped the Shark. You can say pretty much anything you want against whoever you want, but not against God's chosen people. She's finished.

10-13-2007, 10:40 AM	#18 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	Angry people who don't like Coulter: Your arguments against Coulter are many, but can we sum them up in one statement for the sake of argument, that the reason many people don't like her is because she is intolerant of people who aren't like her. Right? Is that fair? So your way of showing how much you don't like her is by being intolerant of her and people like her, namely conservatives, even further evangelical Christians and the like? So you're fighting intolerance with intolerance. Is that an incorrect assumption? __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

10-13-2007, 11:04 AM	#19 (permalink)
albania Psycho	"Intolerance will not be tolerated." Anywhoo, I don't know exactly what to make of her comment. Let's see, was it stupid and was it offensive? To answer my own questions, probably, and to some people yes. Should one get riled up because of it? (again I think I'll answer my own question) No, this is status quo, and what I've come to expect from her. Therefore, whenever she's brought up I’ve resigned myself only to comment this much: She’s hot and I wish she'd shut up.

10-13-2007, 11:04 AM	#20 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Yes, it's an incorrect assumption.

10-13-2007, 11:10 AM	#21 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	For the record, I'm not angry, nor do I dislike Coulter. I have a problem with her ideas. If by intolerance you mean not supporting the belief in dangerous ideas, then you could call me intolerant of what she said. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-13-2007, 11:16 AM	#22 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	Well, willravel and others, all your arguments are essentially the same... "I hate her, she should die. She's an idiot, she's blind. She's wrong." What you all really are hating is what you perceive as her intolerance toward anyone who's not like her, which includes most of you. You don't like being the victim of intolerance, or ignorance, or whatever you want to call it. That's fair. I don't like it either when I am the butt of intolerant peoples rants. I just wonder about the way that people are responding to Coulter. It just seems that many are being intolerant of her views, and justifying it by saying she was intolerant first. I just don't like that kind of arguing. It seems weak. __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

10-13-2007, 11:32 AM	#24 (permalink)
albania Psycho	I think you’ve mixed up tolerance and acceptance. I think everyone here tolerates Ann Coulter in so far as no one wants her to go to jail, or be killed because of the things she said or believes. That’s tolerance, and it doesn’t mean they have to accept what she says neutrally. That is to say you don’t have to try to understand her side of the story or even have one iota of belief that in some way she could possibly be correct to be tolerant. To this end people are free to disagree strongly or even hate her because of what she says. I don’t see that as being intolerant; I see it as having an opinion.

10-13-2007, 11:36 AM	#25 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	I equate Coulter with yellow journalism. There is obviously a market of millions for such writers, but I am not among them. If that is intolerance, so be it. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

10-13-2007, 11:38 AM	#26 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Being a tolerant individual doesn't mean tolerating intolerance. That's bootstrap problem if I ever heard one. I prefer not being caught in a rhetorical trap which requires me to listen to Ann Coulter's nearly incoherent hate. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

10-13-2007, 12:19 PM	#31 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	(does the vernacular Safety Dance) __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-13-2007, 01:02 PM	#32 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Daoust, you're presuming that one's attitude towards tolerance must necessarily be either black or white. Not all intolerance is created equal. There also isn't necessarily anything inconsistent about promoting tolerance in some situations and not in others. I can be tolerant of some things and intolerant of others and the fact that i'm intolerant of some things does not make me intolerant of all things. That being said, fuck ann coulter. She's anathematic to anything even remotely resembling civilized political discourse. You can wring your hands about the ironic way in which that statement was made all you want- it doesn't make for interesting or compelling criticism to me.

10-13-2007, 01:28 PM	#33 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I am surprised that anyone would fight for Anne.

10-13-2007, 01:32 PM	#34 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Peter cetera would- he wrote a song about it, but it got co-opted by the elitist hollywood liberals who made the karate kid part 2. It's partly how miyagi got his speaking gig at the 2000 democratic national convention.

10-13-2007, 08:37 PM	#35 (permalink)
JohnBua Banned	Isn't she saying that her religon is the right one? Isn't that the point of religon? When she starts killing or calling for the death of the infidels, I will be concerned. I was always taught that Jews are to be pitied cause they failed to recognise the messiah. Isn't that the same thing she just said?

10-14-2007, 05:44 AM	#36 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Omigod... religion is such a bad idea! __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-14-2007, 07:44 PM	#39 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Show of hands: How many people would still have sex with her simply because she's mentally disgusting? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-14-2007, 08:05 PM	#40 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Sheepishly raises his hand __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot