Menoman

Do you believe that its possible that the earth is merely just a little "Ant Farm" to some other creatures that may exist light years away from us?

A civilization so exceedingly knowledgeable they were able to create human beings, or, we are perhaps a animal/pet on another world that they put here as an experiment to see how things adapt and they enjoy watching us.

Perhaps the flies we have all around are telekenetic cameras that they can use to see day to day life?

Mosquitos are used to analyze our DNA or possibly analyze parts of ourselves we do not even know exist yet.

We are here to see how we interact with the other creatures they created in a enviroment free from their rules or ethics. To see if we form our own ethics similar to their own, so they can try to understand what basic life ethics will become if they are left pure.

There may be hundreds, thousands..... trillions? of other experiments all over the universe, some die off due to their own basic life ethics becoming different than that of what ours are.

What will happen when we are finally capable of deep space travel and we can find our own creators, will they welcome us as beings? enslave us? perhaps we will be intellectual enough that they will accept us as allies in the universe? Maybe as intellectual as we will be by then, we'll be ignorant compared to them and they destroy us like pests they are tired of being bothered by.

How about some of them are living on earth? Famous people living like kings here that on their on world they were peons.

Could "they" be the reason for human conflict? Saddam Hussein, perhaps Hitler, Stalin.... President Bush? They create conflict to watch how we kill each other off laughing as if they were watching a boxing match.



I could write about this for hours its quite entertaining to think about the infinite possibilities.

What do you guys think could be related to this psuedo-theory?

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KellyC

Nope...I don't see how this is even remotely possible. I'd rather believe the notion that we're all alone in this Universe than to believe we're a bunch of "lab rats" (if you will) to a superior alien race. The thought is entertaining though.

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Menoman

Explain why you don't think its even possible please?

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llama8

Fear.

If I was to find out I was someone elses toy I really wouldn't be too happy! I'd much prefer to remain ignorant to that "alternative" life.

Menoman

Thats a reason why you wouldnt want it to be plausible.

Anyone have any reason why it couldnt be true?

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TheKak

There is no reason why it couldn't be true. Also no reason to believe that our brains aren't floating in jars in someone's lab, with electrical signals inputed to our brains. Possible? Yes. Does it matter either way? No.

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CSflim

There are many many things in life which could be possible. A sheer infinitude.

That is why you will always hear the resounding cries of "lets see the evidence!".

If you're going to forego evidence, in your discussions about what may or may not be possible you are essentially just babbling to yourself.

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noahfor

Seems as reasonable to believe that aliens created us as it is to believe GOD did, which to me is completely unreasonable, but quite reasonable to other people.

Menoman

So essentially what your saying is, if its just a theory someone comes up with, then it doesnt matter...



Anyway, I wanted to see what people could come up with to add to the theory.

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KellyC

Because it's like saying God created us, but then watch us suffer and even though God have the power to end the suffering, God choose not to. Sorry, too farfetched...
I think we have a thread that adressed this...God watching us and not doing any thing that is...

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Menoman

I agree with that KellyC, I have a hard time believing in any of the "creation" theories as it sounds like you do also.

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That_Other_Guy

George Bush right now, is sitting in his office with an evil grin, and thinking to himself, "I have fooled them all, the world is mine!"

yster

The fundamental basis for pretty much every experimentation/alien/overseer type theory is that humans are so incredibly amazing and signifigant that someone/something out there must be very interested in us, it seems. I would guess that humans are interesting pretty much only to humans =) If there is one quality we possess over the other life forms here and floating around out there, I'm sure it's our unbelievable arrogance that we are worthy of so much attention ^^

Menoman

Exactly the reason that probably 90% of people will throw this theory out with a chuckle and a pfft! Good point

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tecoyah

Any true christian....already believes this, in essence.

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tisonlyi

Anything is possible, but is it probable?

Up to yourself.

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TheKak

The probabilities of such a situation would be unknown to us since there would be no evidence pointing either way with no logical reason why it should be true over any other theory. So to say it isn't probably probably isn't a very logical statement. It might be possible, but just because someone can think up some crazy idea with no proof or logical backing, doesn't mean it deserves anymore thought than say, actually believing that the Matrix is a TRUE story that has really happened, but that the machines betrayed us and now we are back in pods. See what I mean? Or maybe they are both true......!

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MSD

Seems like a delusion of grandeur to me. Ant farm, God's chosen creation, it seems that we invented these things to make ourselves feel more important.

Another common inflated opinion of ourselves is that we have the capability to destroy the world through our own incompetence, rather than just destroying oureselves.

CamaroRS1967

I agree here. While others believe that a great being or alien creator made us, I think that it is illogical. Why would either create a being that is intelligent enough to possibly travel into deep space to uncover the creator? For fun? I believe that we all have a purpose in life, and once it is fulfilled then we are "deleted". (Matrix pun, sorry) So what kind of experiment would last so long, as the earth has? Surely other beings, if they exist, would cease after millions of years, no? Unless immortality is being discussed such as God. But if God is/was using the earth as an experiment, wouldn't he be contradicting himself by not creating a perfect world already? Why would someone perfect create an unperfect world? If an alien being were our creator, why keep the world and humans to continue with massive information consumption and rapid reproduction of our own kind unless to seem some kind of possible reaction? Death maybe?

llama8

Maybe I'm cynical but if I wanted to sit and watch another world "develop" I would want it to be imperfect as that would be a hell of a lot more interesting to sit and watch. I don't watch soap operas because everything is well and rosy.

pig

I'm not sure if this is taking things in a different direction or not, but it seems that many are looking at this as though we were put here by an alien race. I wouldn't be surprised at all if something stumbled across us and was observing us. We didn't create bacteria - we just found some and starting throwing crap in the petri dish and watching through a microscope. I find it somewhat less probable about the flies and mosquitos - sounds a little too close to Earth:Final Conflict to me. I have thought before that for most people, our paths on a daily basis could probably be described with something very similar to Schroedinger's Equation (sp?). Get up, shower, go to work, eat lunch, go back to work, come home, watch t.v., go to sleep, etc. And then you've got the whacky ones that move around a lot, but you could nip that with statistics.

I think these kinds of ideas are interesting, but aside from being interesting mind exercises I don't see any point in spending too much time on them until we make contact. Unless you want to write sci-fi books. Then it might behoove you to dwell on this for a really long time.

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llama8

Schrodinger's Time-Dependent Equation.

What an interesting concept for how our lives are goverened. I'm quite confident an equation such as that will be found to govern our macro world. Yet another equation for Mathematical students to either get excited over or cry over.

Johnny Rotten

Fair enough, certainly. Given the average topic, this is a safe rebuttal. However, there is a little thorn in the side of being able to rest comfortably in the firm belief that life is as we see it. Rather than getting semantic or metaphysical, I can offer you a concrete problem: Fermi's Paradox. Unfortunately, it can't be distilled into a handy phrase like the one Occam's Razor gets. Instead, here's a snippet taken from a space.com article:

<i>...In 1950, Fermi made a seemingly innocuous lunchtime remark that has caught and held the attention of every SETI researcher since. (How many luncheon quips have you made with similar consequence?)

The remark came while Fermi was discussing with his mealtime mates the possibility that many sophisticated societies populate the Galaxy. They thought it reasonable to assume that we have a lot of cosmic company. But somewhere between one sentence and the next, Fermi's supple brain realized that if this was true, it implied something profound. If there are really a lot of alien societies, then some of them might have spread out.

Fermi realized that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and an immodest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire Galaxy. Within ten million years, every star system could be brought under the wing of empire. Ten million years may sound long, but in fact it's quite short compared with the age of the Galaxy, which is roughly ten </i><b>thousand<i></b> million years. Colonization of the Milky Way should be a quick exercise.

So what Fermi immediately realized was that the aliens have had more than enough time to pepper the Galaxy with their presence. But looking around, he didn't see any clear indication that they're out and about. This prompted Fermi to ask what was (to him) an obvious question: "where is everybody?"</i>

I believe this is a compelling argument for an artificial situation.

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sprocket

Southpark has already tackled this issue. As everyone should know by now, Earth is the Universe's #1 Reality TV Show. We narrowly avoided cancellelation (ie destruction) thanks to Stan, Kyle, Kenny, and Cartman. After a plea to the Universe's network execs, we were allowed to continue with our existence and provide countless hours of entertainment to the citizens of the cosmos.

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Yakk

I also worked this out. Another interpritation:

Intelligence is a relatavistic phenomina. Once a certain threshold is reached, intelligence will spread very close to the speed of light across the universe.

If we can "hear" or "see" intelligence via light waves, then the odds are they should already be here.

This means that:
1> We are the first intelligence in this galaxy.
2> Space travel is much harder than we think.
3> Other.

The "reality TV show" interpritation goes under "Other". As does Sawyer's "intelligent life quickly self-destructs and/or turns completely inward".

Another good one is "intelligent life appeared before, developed a nanotech 'grey ooze' that wiped itself out", where that 'grey ooze' was life as we know it.

(grey ooze refers to a nanotechnology that eats basically anything, and reproduces, consuming entire planets.)

But that's just a varient on "first intelligent life" (ie, second intelligent life, or first intelligent life of this epoch).

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fillips

this sounds like men in black hehe

Seer666

Everything is possible, nothing is true.

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