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siryn · 09-28-2003, 08:03 PM

What is the nature of fame in relation to the people concerned?
When someone becomes famous, do they change as a person (i.e. becoming skeptical of friends, etc.)?
When someone becomes famous, do their friends and audience relate to them differently?
Why do people get starstruck?
Why do a star's clothes matter more than their message?
Explain.

MacGnG · 09-29-2003, 03:21 PM

money, power, fame corrupts

fame give you money
money controls everything
with money you have power
you get some power when your famous

ARTelevision · 09-29-2003, 03:21 PM

fame: when a bunch of strangers think they know you - has a deleterious effect on a person - as it exponentially expands the human ego. anyone who has an ego should know what a disaster that is for everyone involved - especially the one suffering the malignancy.

siryn · 10-09-2003, 09:48 PM

I guess I started this thread in relation to my appreciation of Rivers Cuomo and my disappointment in the Green album and endeavors since. I was hoping for more explanatory input. Anyone?

lordjeebus · 10-10-2003, 12:23 AM

I knew someone who became very famous in a short period of time and underwent a significant personality change as a result.

My take on it was that when she became famous, she could no longer be sure as to whether the people she was friends with (and people she did not know) acted a particular way because they were genuinely interested in her as a person or if they had some sort of ulterior motive. It didn't help that many people really were finding ways to profit from their familiarity with her. In the end, she severed all her old relationships and I have no idea if there are many people she feels she can trust. I don't think money was the factor -- it was the fact that other people were able to use her for personal gain without her knowledge, and so she lost her faith in everyone, whether or not they did so.

There's also something dehumanizing about having people who don't know you obsess over you, and the complete lack of privacy that results.

It's quite sad, really.

Rubyee · 10-11-2003, 06:46 AM

As for the caring about clothes over message, that comes with jealousy and hatred. People are jealous because they want to be famous; some try to dress just like that person, in hopes of becoming famous themselves, and some try to look for a "mistake" in that person's wardrobe, because they are so jealous of them that they hate them.

Scipio · 10-11-2003, 05:52 PM

As far as Rivers is concerned, perhaps old(er) age and a harvard degree have influenced his thought process more than fame has. Musical inspiration comes from personal experience, and when your life changes so drastically, so might the music.

More generally, Fame changes self-perception and the people around you. Many people go through life seeking approval, and when fame comes along, they are suddenly faced with more approval than they can handle. When pleasing others ceases to be a struggle, you are free to act differently. For some people anyway. Others become cynical about the sort of "fake" approval they receive. Kurt Cobain fits into this category.

sailor · 10-20-2003, 02:37 PM

I think excessive fame is a bad thing. For many people it does go to your head. However, it is those that do not let it get to their heads that tend to be the most respected. People like Churchill come to mind (although I am sure there are better examples).

I have always liked my anonymity, and don't think I would like to be famous. In that old (and stupid) question, would you rather be rich or famous, I have always answered rich. Being famous holds no appeal to me.

Doesn't Matter · 10-30-2003, 12:25 AM

Umm..depends on who you are.

If you grew up rich, then probably nothing.

If you grew up poor, you'd probably flip out and become J-Lo.

Gun · 10-30-2003, 08:59 PM

Fame strikes those who have talent and are provided an opportunity to efficiently utilize said talent to it's fullest extent. You could be the most talented person in the world, but if you can't deliver when your opportunity is granted, you are nothing.

People change as a person on many base levels. They begin to view themselves with more value, and therefore begin to demand more valuable things surrounding them. It's like the classic economics model: As income goes up, demand for superior goods goes up.

Friends and families will relate relatively to them. Depending on how much the person has changed, for the good or for the bad, will dictate how they will be viewed by friends and family.

People get starstruck because fame is an intoxicating and invigorating position. Emotions are highly addictive chemicals. As far as getting them flowing, fame can do the trick.

Society demands nice clothes.

09-28-2003, 08:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
siryn Tilted Location: Long Beach CA	fame - how does it change people What is the nature of fame in relation to the people concerned? When someone becomes famous, do they change as a person (i.e. becoming skeptical of friends, etc.)? When someone becomes famous, do their friends and audience relate to them differently? Why do people get starstruck? Why do a star's clothes matter more than their message? Explain.

09-29-2003, 03:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	fame: when a bunch of strangers think they know you - has a deleterious effect on a person - as it exponentially expands the human ego. anyone who has an ego should know what a disaster that is for everyone involved - especially the one suffering the malignancy. __________________ create evolution

10-11-2003, 06:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
Rubyee I'm baaaaack!	As for the caring about clothes over message, that comes with jealousy and hatred. People are jealous because they want to be famous; some try to dress just like that person, in hopes of becoming famous themselves, and some try to look for a "mistake" in that person's wardrobe, because they are so jealous of them that they hate them. __________________ You don't know from fun.

10-11-2003, 05:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	As far as Rivers is concerned, perhaps old(er) age and a harvard degree have influenced his thought process more than fame has. Musical inspiration comes from personal experience, and when your life changes so drastically, so might the music. More generally, Fame changes self-perception and the people around you. Many people go through life seeking approval, and when fame comes along, they are suddenly faced with more approval than they can handle. When pleasing others ceases to be a struggle, you are free to act differently. For some people anyway. Others become cynical about the sort of "fake" approval they receive. Kurt Cobain fits into this category. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

10-20-2003, 02:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	I think excessive fame is a bad thing. For many people it does go to your head. However, it is those that do not let it get to their heads that tend to be the most respected. People like Churchill come to mind (although I am sure there are better examples). I have always liked my anonymity, and don't think I would like to be famous. In that old (and stupid) question, would you rather be rich or famous, I have always answered rich. Being famous holds no appeal to me. __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

09-29-2003, 03:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	money, power, fame corrupts fame give you money money controls everything with money you have power you get some power when your famous

10-09-2003, 09:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
siryn Tilted Location: Long Beach CA	I guess I started this thread in relation to my appreciation of Rivers Cuomo and my disappointment in the Green album and endeavors since. I was hoping for more explanatory input. Anyone?

10-10-2003, 12:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
lordjeebus ‚±‚Ìˆó˜U‚ª–Ú‚É“ü‚ç‚Ê‚© Location: College	I knew someone who became very famous in a short period of time and underwent a significant personality change as a result. My take on it was that when she became famous, she could no longer be sure as to whether the people she was friends with (and people she did not know) acted a particular way because they were genuinely interested in her as a person or if they had some sort of ulterior motive. It didn't help that many people really were finding ways to profit from their familiarity with her. In the end, she severed all her old relationships and I have no idea if there are many people she feels she can trust. I don't think money was the factor -- it was the fact that other people were able to use her for personal gain without her knowledge, and so she lost her faith in everyone, whether or not they did so. There's also something dehumanizing about having people who don't know you obsess over you, and the complete lack of privacy that results. It's quite sad, really.

10-30-2003, 12:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Doesn't Matter Banned	Umm..depends on who you are. If you grew up rich, then probably nothing. If you grew up poor, you'd probably flip out and become J-Lo.

10-30-2003, 08:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gun Banned Location: Long Island	Fame strikes those who have talent and are provided an opportunity to efficiently utilize said talent to it's fullest extent. You could be the most talented person in the world, but if you can't deliver when your opportunity is granted, you are nothing. People change as a person on many base levels. They begin to view themselves with more value, and therefore begin to demand more valuable things surrounding them. It's like the classic economics model: As income goes up, demand for superior goods goes up. Friends and families will relate relatively to them. Depending on how much the person has changed, for the good or for the bad, will dictate how they will be viewed by friends and family. People get starstruck because fame is an intoxicating and invigorating position. Emotions are highly addictive chemicals. As far as getting them flowing, fame can do the trick. Society demands nice clothes.