Willravel

*NOTE: see my posty below for explaination*

Recently, I've been very dissapointed in peoples lack of a questioning nature. I've watched as we were fed delicious stories packed full of terrory goodness. I was reflecting on some stories when I rememebred the DC sniper story. We all know the story. There was even a nifty made-for-TV-movie about it on USA network or everyone to enjoy. Supposedly a brainwashed kid was seeking attention and decided to kill random people. The problem? There are several very suspicious happenings coinciding with the murders and the dc sniper trial that stick out enough to mention.

1. Timing: the sniper attack coincided with a two-week debate on the floor of the Senate, led by Sen. Robert Byrd of WV, waving his Constitution in righteous vehemence, sparing no heated words in pressing and examining the truth about the so-called 'justification' and 'war powers' of the President - handed over by Congress, after the President finally agreed to get Congressional approval before proceeding (as he said he did not need Congress approval!) - including the now known Big Lie of WMD in Iraq and that they were aiders and abetters of the infamous "Al-queh-da". This major media distraction could have been meant to instill fear of terrorism, incite war mongering, and prevent newspaper and media coverage of the courageous Senator's lone stand in the Senate. (Byrd's speeches are worth re-reading, and republicans should note that this Senator stands up for Constitutional justice MORE than any other Republican in Congress, save perhaps Ron Paul of Tx).

2. Brainwashing: It has been printed now in the press that the younger Malvo is said to have been "brainwashed" by the elder suspect. BUT they were tried entirely upon circumstantial evidence. There was no evidence to support brainwashing.

3*. Conflicting Witness Reports

4. Federalization of the police: It was an excuse to a) have Military involvement with local police and b) the trial makes use of Virginias new "anti-terrorism" laws in a swift trial to get a legal "precedent" established for quick indictment and death penalty (i.e. rush to judgement on slim evidence).

5. ***THE FBI AGENT that was a victim****. This is the thing that haunted me most. Who was this woman and FBI agent? This is either the biggest coincedence in history, or there is more to this than meets the eye.

6. This is from an unidentified male eye witness seen on WRC-TV Channel 4 News on October 14th in Northern Virginia (Fairfax), outside of a Home Depot: "I was coming from the other side of Route 50 to the Home Depot. When I parked my van, we heard the snap of a shot. And at that moment, I put my car in Park. I left my van. And suddenly I see the people panicking… And a few seconds later we heard the cops and the sirens and the choppers. And thirty or thirty-five yards away, I saw her body facing down. She was across Route 50. She was in the parking lot of the Home Depot. She was facing down…." It took seconds for police to get there. Maybe something, maybe nothing. BTW this was the woman who was an FBI agent.

7. Why did the police stop traffic (after the murder of the FBI agent at Seven Corners Mall)? They created a huge backup on Interstate 66 and Route 50. This was completely unnecessary. The police claimed to be looking for the white/cream-colored van driven by the killer. If the police truly thought the murderer was traveling in such a vehicle, why didn’t they broadcast a description of the van on all the local TV/radio news stations and ask people to call in license plates of similar looking vehicles? This would have been a more efficient method of tracking down the vehicle than creating a colossal traffic jam. All they served to do was expose more people in a closed environment to the supposed sniper.

8. Why would a genuine sniper attempt to flee the murder scene by automobile in a highly congested area like Seven Corners, Virginia? If he in fact made such an attempt, how could he possibly escape? If he did in fact escape the way we’re told, why would he put himself in such a risky situation?

Maybe I'm jsut seeing connections between huge coincedences, but doesn't it deserve consideration?

TheKak

Eye witnesses are extremely unreliable, and what they say should be taken as such and not the actual truth. If you are in the area of a shooting and people are panicing, adrenalin sets in and makes time seem funny. What may have seemed like only a minute may well have been 5 minutes, which isn't an unreasonable response time considering that they were waiting for him and it wasn't unexpected. If you show 10 people a video of a robbery, you will get 10 different accounts of what happened, some of which with be WAY off of what really happened. When I was in psychology we were shown a video of a robbery, waited 20 minutes and were then asked to write a phony police report about what we saw. Some of the responses were so far off it was ridiculous. So just because someone was there and saw what happened doesn't mean that they know what really happened. Anyway, there could be something to your theory, but I would venture to say proabably not.

(and as a side note, the killings were not for attention. Malvo was only a puppet, the other guy (sorry I cannot remember his name at the moment) was trying to scare his wife so he could convince her to get back together with him and move with their kids somewhere else, or something along those lines)

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dX927

I sorta wonder what number 3 was on this list and if it was somehow censored by the government...that's even more freaky, that could be the real piece to this puzzle!

In all seriousness though. If they had broadcasted descriptions of the van they were looking for it would have been much easier for the person to ditch that vehicle and the number of calls for similar vehicles would have ended up hurting the investigation. Didn't the cream colored van end up being incorrect anyway?

RangerDick

Number 3 was probably about how the other victims that were shot: a bus driver, soccer mom, elementary school kid, a guy walking out of a Ponderosa restaurant, a guy fillling up at a gas station, a woman sitting on a bench in front of a shopping center, and a guy cutting the grass on a riding lawn mower, were all also the biggest coincidences in history. Once you put all of these pieces together, it's very clear there is a government conspiracy cover up here.

By golly, I think the case is cracked!



Oh, and yeah. They were caught in a Chevy Caprice at rest stop off of I270 near Frederick, Md. (Myersville to be exact.)

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archer2371

I live in the area and at the time, I remember seeing white vans galore when they were covering the story. I casually made a comment to a friend of mine one day "Y'know, I betcha that those guys are in some kinda sedan, and that people are just seeing all of these vans, simply because they're everywhere and only now taking notice that there are five million of these things." I should go work for the FBI or something....

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pocon1

Nothing to add except that my parents neighbor three doors down was the one shot while mowing the gas station lawn. Also, the kid who was shot and survived, his 50 year old cousin (who became the family spokesperson) works out at my health club where I work. He is a Fannie Mae employee. Coincidence? HAHAHA! It was me! They have the wrong people locked up. Less than six degrees of seperation. See, it was a plot between me, Sandy Berger, and Tom Daschle (also members of my health club) to get Bush so scared of snipers that we would flub the election. But Micharl Powell (was a member of my club at the time) got wind of a plot at the club and started snooping around (he is good at that). So he sent Mike Tyson (also used to be a member of the club) around to bite people and ferret out the truth. So we created a scapegoat of the poor so-called "snipers". We lured them out from Washington State and told the they were working on a movie, but they did not know the bullets were real. HAHAHA!

slimshaydee

pocon1 the idea of this forum is not to basically call people a whack job. If you don't think what the person is saying is true, refute it with some clear evidence...that's what a discussion is all about.

pocon1

I did not call anyone a whack job and my assertions are as valid as anyone's here. Nobody believes me? All of those people work or worked out at my club. You can check with Andrea Mitchell (news foreign correspondent and wife of Alan Greenspan). She also works out at my club.

Willravel

Okay. Time for me to come clean. I borrowed this "story" from someone who I consider radical in the area of conspiracies. I wanted to illustrate that there is a difference between a conspiracy, and paranoia. If you haven't picked up on it yet, the DC sniper conjectures posted above are part of a paranoid view of the world. The numbered facts (riddled with conjecture) above are at most coincedental. They do not form any sort of case against the official report.
1. "Timing". This was coincedental by any reasonable standard. Debates like this in congress are normal. They happen from time to time, and they are not out of the ordinary.
2. Brainwashing was a stretching of the truth. TheKak pointed that out. Kudos.
3. Whitness reports. TheKak also pointed out that conflicting whitness reports are very much common, espicially in cases like this.
4. Federalization. This was unfortunate, but wholely necessary. They helped a great deal in catching the guilty parties and were working towards justice.
5. FBI agent. Another coincedence. There are plenty of federal agents and employees in that area. It was just her unfortunate luck.
6. Quick response. Once again, hat's offf to you TheKak.
7. Traffic. dX927 called this one pretty well.
8. Getaway. There is not enough information to make that call.

I sincerly apologize to anyone who might feel a bit used by this, but you all did pretty well in difusing the test. I decided to do this because in my looking for information on possible consipracies, I kept running into bogus claims like this. I'm hoping that other people don't get sucked into fairy tales like this one.

Look for coincedences, assumptions, jumps in logic, lack of evidence, and extreme conclusions if you happen to be looking through a conspiracy theory.

SaltPork

phew, willravel, I'm glad this was only a test!!

I didn't really see any connections or coincidences at all. Maybe my brain doesn't work the same way as a conspiracy theorist, but under a microscope these things don't really match up. It's kind of like saying that the Challenger explosion was a set up by Christa McAuliffes' husband so he wouldn't have to divorce her.....or does that make sense...hmmm, think about it.

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MSD

Some say that Jackie Kennedy had JFK shot so that she wouldn't have to go through a public divorce. There are people out there who think this kind of stuff.

zerosk8

Willravel makes several good points.....there is a lot of coincidences that coincide with the murders.....but the fact of the matter is that the guys who were doing it have been cought......but i see where you are coming from

kurtisj

i dont see many coincidences but i guess you never know, has the sniper been on trial, cause maybe they didnt catch the guys who did it, innocent until proven guilty righ....

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Hampshire

there are to many coincidences in todays society. there can be viewpoints from each side that explain it all. Its all about what you believe, i dont really know what i believe.