MSD

What irregularities? They looked like the planes they were supposed to be, they left big, plane-shaped holes, and they exploded like planes filled with enough fuel for cross-country flights. Nobody has seen those planes or the people on them (with the exception of suspects who may have been misidentified, but I haven't researched that at length) since the attack.

Sun Tzu

I think I'm getting a dose of my own medicine here.

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Miss Mango

Were lacking a lot of information that could verify many things. The way I see it, there hasnt been reliable proof to back up the official stories - so if that proof is there, why not reveal it and wipe conspiracies out of the water? Because a lot is being hidden about the true motives and perpetrators of the attacks.

fastom

Just one tiny little detail is that the AA flight 11 plane was recently offered for sale on aviatorsale.com

They've pulled the ad in the last few weeks when people started asking questions about it's serial number.

Serial no.: 22332

The tail number was N334AA. In September 2001 it had 58000 airframe hours, in September 2007 it had 70000 airframe hours .

Weird! No wonder the hijackers are alive.

UKking

Read this page and then read the three articles on the bottom of the page. If you're still convinced that 9/11 = conspiracy then I don't know what to tell you.

kate jack

Zeitgeist.

Herk

I'm speechless. One more lemming just walked over the edge. Not you, but the author(so I don't get into trouble).

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Miss Mango

Ha, I love Maddoxs ramblings.

But I still say were not giving the government enough credit concerning their capabilities. Its totally plausible the U.S. government was involved, if not responsible.

UKking

What do you mean?

jjjjj501

Mango, I cannot agree with you more.

Everyone else YOUTUBE - 9/11 Loose Change 2nd Edition - Until you watch that you dont 1/2 the facts....

blktour

this is something that i came across a while ago but i guess i never posted it.


way better than what was fed on the news/911 commission report...

to think they had the culprit as fast as they did?

Osama is not even wanted for these attacks anymore on the fbi's wanted list.

makes you "wonder".

Martian

Just for fun, I suggest watching The Annotated Version.

...

Are we really still talking about this?

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blahblah454

I suppose until they say what actually happens then yes, people will still talk about it.

Iliftrocks

Do you believe every internal police investigation that turns up the conclusion that the cops did nothing wrong? The feds investigated themselves and concluded that the story they gave out was correct. Lots of the information that would really prove this is top secret, but we can go ahead and believe them.

Having someone as funny as Maddox make fun of people really shouldn't convince anybody, either...

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MSD

[citation needed]

highthief

LMAO!

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fastom

Considering that a plot by Bin Laden with 19 Arab hijackers would actually be a conspiracy ...

Walt

Sept 12, 2001 - American patriotism at an all-time high. Feb 3, 2001. The Patriots win the Super Bowl. 26 pages later and nobody has made the connection?

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Plan9

I just spit Diet Dr. Perky on my laptop screen. Thank you, sir.

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Willravel

All I remember is the Raiders getting robbed by the shitty refs and then I blacked out for a few months. The Pats won, then?

Force 10

If you're still not convinced, PLEASE STAY IN THE UK. kthanxbai.



Scientists for 9/11 Truth

AE911Truth.org

Fire Fighters For 9-11 Truth FF 911 Truth

Journal of 9/11 Studies

Military Officers for 9/11 Truth

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://pl911truth.com/

Eddie38

Can anyone explain why the government failed to tell us that investigators found nano-thermite and molten steel in the rubble of the World Trade Center? 7 hijackers with 2 planes destroyed 9 buildings in Manhattan including two of the largest buildings in the world? Yeah, I don't think so. But hey, if you're content to be spoon fed the truth by the handful of people who run Big Media, that's your prerogative.

MSD

Show me evidence that molten steel and nano-thermite were found in the rubble and I'll explain how they got there.

Eddie38

You'll explain how it got there? Yeah, sure you will.

Read, Ruprex's 'Scientists for 9/11' truth link. In fact, read all those links if you have time. You'd be surprised how much evidence is out there that the general public is unaware of.

Baraka_Guru

Of passing interest:

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Eddie38

More proof that WTC was a controlled demolition:

Strange Famous

If you were to want my opinion (which probably is not the case) the truth about 9/11 is more stark and simple than most people are prepared to accept

The truth to me as that the means of destruction (just as the means of production) are so developed in the late social capitalist world, that such awful carnage is rather simple to engineer.

I see no grand conspiracy, no Saudi hatemonger living in a James Bond villian style cave in Pakistan pulling the strings, no government cover up, no international terrorist attack. The truth is that the world's only super power was brought to its knee's, 3000 innocent people murdered, by a group of 25 or so murderers, armed with steak knives and trained out of some dump of a flying school in Florida and some flight simulators on a PC.

It did not take any great cunning, any special technology, and strategy or planning that a 10 year old child would not be capable of... simply a hatrid and a desire to kill, and a little brute force.

I think this is more frightening to many people than to believe that Al Qieda is some huge and advanced criminal network (the truth is that is a lose coalition of criminals and warlords, who's figurehead probably died 5 years ago of kidney failure)or that somehow the NWO plots such atrocities against its own people. Because there is no defence against 25 mad man armed with nothing but hatrid and lust to destroy.

Stanley Baldwin famously said in the 1930's "the bomber will always get through"

This to me is more true today than it ever was. The technical means to commit mass murder lie in the hands of EVERY ONE OF US.

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Eddie38

And what about WTC 7? Wasn't struck by a plane no jet fuel, just some office fires. And it collapsed.

Baraka_Guru

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Eddie38

The government is incompetent, that's for sure. But it's only incompetent in preserving and protecting the rights of it's citizens. It is wholly competent in sustaining and providing continued wealth and power for those few elite that run the world.

FuglyStick

Say, I haven't seen this thread before...





Oh for fuck's sake.

NEVER GO INTO TILTED PARANOIA. EVER.

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Baraka_Guru

Do you mean this in a "Foucauldian power-knowledge" kind of way or in a "tin foil hat" kind of way?

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Pearl Trade

Ain't that the truth.

Conspiracy theorists always make me laugh. They try so hard to make everyone see what usually isn't there.

It isn't there, Eddie

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Slims

I have stayed away from this thread until now because I knew I would get sucked in by the lunacy.

What the hell is nano-thermite anyway?

If you don't know then sit back for a moment while I explain:

It is normal thermite, just with really really fine grains. Thermite is basically just Iron Oxide (rust) and aluminum powders mixed together.




So check it out:

How many pictures of skyscrapers being built have you seen where there is *no* rust on the steel girders being erected? Answer: None of them. To make it even better fire drastically accelerates oxidation.

How many airplanes don't have aluminum? Maybe a few pre-dating jet engines.


What do you think might get left behind as a residue when you smash a giant aluminum airplane against a rusty steel girder?

If you said a fine grained aluminum and iron oxide residue you are correct.





If the government had the discipline necessary to orchestrate and maintain secrecy on a large scale conspiracy to kill thousands of American citizens then we would have taken over the world a long time ago. Additionally, Julian Assange would be out of business because there would be no 'leaks' for Wikileaks to publish.

We can't even keep basic secrets, let alone a giant conspiracy.

Sometimes the simplest explanation really is correct, and in this case, to quote from the Onion: "We [Al-Qaeda] crashed a giant airplane into a building, what do you think would happen?"


9/11 Conspiracy Theories 'Ridiculous,' Al Qaeda Says | The Onion - America's Finest News Source | Onion News Network




<iframe frameborder="no" width="480" height="270" scrolling="no" src="http://www.theonion.com/video_embed/?id=14222"></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.theonion.com/video/911-conspiracy-theories-ridiculous-al-qaeda-says,14222/" target="_blank" title="9/11 Conspiracy Theories 'Ridiculous,' Al Qaeda Says">9/11 Conspiracy Theories 'Ridiculous,' Al Qaeda Says</a>

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Eddie38

Well, since you say so...I'm convinced.

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Try the Google machine. Or, just check out ruprex's link about scientists for 9/11 truth.

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Galileo was definitely wearing the tin foil hat we he had the audacity to challenge the almighty catholic regime in their assertion that the sun revolved around the earth. I suppose "tin foil hat" is a relative term. For your average American who has their head in the sand or up FOX/CNN/NBC's ass, anything that isn't told to them by Shepard Smith or that pretty boy Anderson Cooper is a tin foil conspiracy. I'd rather challenge everything the Establishment says than mindlessly believe it.

Sun Tzu

There will always be people that take an account such as the USS Liberty as a six hour mistake because thats the official version.

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Baraka_Guru

The Matrix has you, but there is no escape because there is no reality external to the one you know.

We must cease once and for all to describe the effects of power in negative terms: it "excludes," it "represses," it "censors," it "abstracts," it "masks," it "conceals." In fact, power produces; it produces reality; it produces domains of objects and rituals of truth. The individual and the knowledge that can be gained of him belong to this production.

—Michel Foucault, Discipline and Punish

You might as well make the most of it. For all the bad it does, governmentality is also responsible for most of the good you know.

Challenge the "Establishment" all you want. They've already accounted for it. For everything you do, they have contingency.

You are an individual of the state.

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Sun Tzu

So do you think we have a Star Trek future or going out with a whimper?

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Eddie38

Yeah, where would I be without endless bureaucracies? Living in a cave, alone I'm sure.

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Well, unfortunately we can't just ship all the muslims, commies and liberals to different planets. So I'm gonna go with the whimper.

Baraka_Guru

I'm not one to make that kind of prediction, but I would be remiss to deny that the future is at risk.

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