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paulaboots · 03-04-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Thagrastay
It is this to which I was responding. You mentioned Christ, whom is found in the Bible. I therefore responded, using the Biblical answer. If this bothered you, ask yourself why that is.

Now, as for other questions concerning spirits/ghosts/ha'ints/spooks/whatever, call them what you will, but their substance remains the same as does their purpose. That's just the way it is. My suggestion to you, if you doubt the veracity of my remarks, is to ask them yourselves. But do be careful. Once they get tired of making fun of you, they'll no doubt eat you.

paulaboots · 03-04-2004, 10:46 AM

i dont believe in ghosts but on this particular day ,as i said when my son was little and when he was talking 2 some 1 ,that really freaked me out. i dont believe in god neither, and reading the bible is a no go ,

theburner · 03-04-2004, 01:59 PM

Paulaboots, I would recommend taking Thagrastay w/ a grain of salt. Or maybe a whole shaker of salt.
U are dealing with an entire realm of reality (or maybe not!!) that is basically unexplored by modern science.
I too have had paranormal experiences, and my strongest and most evident one occured during a time in my life where I really wasn't open to the possiblity of it occuring. The weird part was this was a shared experience ( a buddy and I) and BOTH of us walked away changed.
Just because you don't believe in Ghosts doesn't mean they can't reach out too you. And you don't have to watch for small "signs" either, if they want to get your attention, TRUST ME, they will.
OH yeah, and I personally don't think a belief in God/Jesus?Buddah/Muhammed or anyone else is a precurser to these experiences either.

paulaboots · 03-04-2004, 03:48 PM

what do u mean , u could command them 2 go under the lampshade , i never heard of that b 4 . or is it a trick question , lol ,i scared now

D.C · 03-04-2004, 05:37 PM

I can sympathize with this thread. A little background on my house.

It was built in 1896, for the first 75 years or so it was in the care of one family who passed it from generation to generation. After we bought the house and moved in my wife and I started to notice what sounded like someone walking around the 2nd floor. But everyone would be either gone or in bed asleep. We have seen orbs, heard voices and our kids have told us they have seen, heard things, or have had dreams. A few people we know who are "aware" have talked with us about our house, but we did not tell them beforehand what we were dealing with. The name "Sara" keeps coming up and when we checked our deed, a lady named Sara once owned the house and died in the house. She is harmless, I think for some reason she is tied to the house and is unable to cross over.

Thagrastay · 03-05-2004, 07:05 AM

There's a difference between faith and common sense? I am not presenting my opinion, sir, I am presenting my experience, strength and hope to a person who has stated they have a problem and has asked for answers. There is an enorous difference here between opining and helping. Whereas one person may stand back and postulate their beliefs and theories about ideas, another may present their experiences and I would very much suspect that the proof would be there in the doing. I once had a friend who asked me why I would want to go to Africa and see the people that lived there. I gave him my reasons and he replied that he would never want to go to Africa. I told him, that was the thing which seperated us most- he could say he never wanted to go, and I could say I never wanted to go BACK.
I did not write the Bible. Nor did I invent Jesus or the things He did. I was not there at His crucifixion or resurrection. I was not therer when Paul wrote his epistles, or Peter raised that man from the dead, either. But I have studied this book for decades. I have discussed this book with multitudes of scholars and lay persons. I have seen what I have seen, and I know what I know. In the end, I have come to experience many, many things when it comes to the material and spiritual realms, and I have seen that when the spiritual realm is pierced, or the spiritual realm pierces this one, there is but One Name in all of my experience that has the power to bind and banish these malevolent beings- and that Name is Yeshua, Meshiach. Jesus the Messiah. I have heard testamony from person from all across the world that when they have called upon that name, they have received relief from any number of things, especially possession or oppression. This is personal testamony from persons who have endured things they themselves have chosen to describe in their own words. How, then can this be strictly my opinion?
Choose to believe what you will. You are free to do so. I am speaking from experience, and offer the questioner nothing more than what I have seen and done. I state as fact because that is what it is. I will not argue the historicity, because that is not for this thread and if you question so much about the bIble and your Messiah, I suggest that you study and pray a little harder. It certainly cannot hurt. Meanwhile, be at peace.

theburner · 03-05-2004, 07:24 AM

<b>Thagrastay</b>
I personally believe there is a difference between faith and common sense. Blind faith may lead to believe Jesus will protect you if you play in traffic, but common sense tells you this is probably NOT a good idea.
I love your line about not presenting an opinion. Experiences, strength and hope SHAPE our opinions not create fact. Before Christopher Columbus proved the world was round, experience, strength and hope illustrated the world was indeed flat.
Religion is one solution to this individuals situation, but common sense indictates there could be another solution (scientific, paranormal). Faith in a higher power is a wonderful thing, but blind faith can just as dangerous to an individual as not having any faith. Jonestown anyone?

Thagrastay · 03-05-2004, 08:39 AM

There is no such thing as blind faith. A faith that is blind is not faith but lunacy. I love it when rationalists try to play at dissecting the unknown. What real experience do you bring to the table?
We are not talking religion, here. I would think that COMMON SENSE would tell you that.
Jonestown? I beg your pardon?
A bit heavy handed, that, wouldn't you say?
But I would expect no less. Having no real substance, personal attacks will suffice. Sound and fury signifying nothing and all that.
Nowe on to the real topic at hand.
Faith is an action.
There that should be simple enough for even the most droll among you to fugure out, theburner.
But let me take that a bit further:
Faith is an action, based upon a belief.
Now, here is the part where you come in with all of your logic:
Define the term Belief.
What is a belief?
Is it a decision?
a reaction?
What is it?
Help me out here, theburner, please.
You see, religion is what Jonestown was- No faith there, mind you- simply linacy. That is becazuse Relkigion demands that you DO something in order to EARN your spot or place in eternity. Whereas spirituality and specifically, the Grace of Christainity states that there is nothing you CAN do, becasue it is already DONE. Salvation is a Free GIFT.
So, theburner, please, get off my toes, thank you, and define "belief" for me, if you're able. And no fair runningto the Websters. Let's find out just how truly smart you really are, shall we? Doctorate anyone?

theburner · 03-05-2004, 08:56 AM

<b>Thegrastay</b>

First off, we are going to consult Websters so that we have a culturally accepted definition of the word. Otherwise we are injecting nothing but conjecture into an arguement already rife with it.

Belief: (Mirriam-Webster)
a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing

Therefore belief is a decision, as you are deciding who to trust and / or confide in. Is it a reaction? Yes, it can be.

Now let's look at Faith:
something that is believed especially with strong conviction

I would submit that based upon the culturally accepted definition of Faith that the worshippers in Jonestown were indeed Faithful. It would take a strong belief and conviction to follow the teachings of Jim Jones.

I request you illustrate a personal attack I have made on you! Have I questioned your comments? Yes. Have I resorted to name calling? No. Am I as impressed with your "credentials" as you are? Not by a long shot.

Thagrastay · 03-06-2004, 08:12 AM

Very well then.
Having slithered from that one casually, I conceded to you your spoils.
I do wonder, though, just how many names you go by.
But that is neither here nor there, and I have no idea what you mean by credentials. Have you any to present? I express only my experience.
Now, However I am done with you as you are not the subject of this thread and niether am I.
The subject is how best to deal with nuisance "Ghosts". My suggestion is, and has been all along, that you trerat them as nothing more than hostile spirits who have entered your home without your permission and are there to do no more than disrupt your life and prey upon the welfare of your family, specifically your children and young ladies and widows. I suggest that their is in fact a spiritual Heirarchy to which they will respond and at the top of that Heirarchy is the Hebrew Messiah, to whom they will, without question give fealty, albeit unwillingly at first.
Furthermore, I suggest that if the subjest of the spiritual invasion were to exercise their right of domain and utilize that NAme of the Messiah in demanding that the aggressive "Ghosts" depart and not return, and then ask that Messiah to enter into that home instead, relief would come and be maintained.
This is my suggestion and my experience.
Do with it what you will.
Be at peace and all of you be safe, in the Name of Yeshua Meshiach.

mgiannelis · 04-04-2004, 12:58 AM

I feel that you may be able to make her happy and invite her family members over to the house for dinner. This may bring some warmth into the house for the ghost. A close family member can take a stab in the dark and attempt to talk to the ghost. All the ghost might need is some closure from her family members so she can move on.

fuzyfuzer · 04-11-2004, 08:37 PM

first off all any updates

and on with my story

when i was younger untill i was 7 we lived in an old house that was built for the worlds fair in 1904 and apparently a lawyer died there in the past well for years i had this one dream nothing else at all i was in a massive room and accross from me was a man sitting in a large marble chair in a black suit with a black hat he only said somthing once in all the years i can remember it was the nite before we moved he said it was nice seeing another person and i hope to see you agian

unfortunatly i have never seen him again and i have had very few dreams

hulk · 04-12-2004, 08:50 AM

Wow. Not one capital letter or sign of punctuation in that entire post. That, and didn't this thread die a month ago?

fuzyfuzer · 04-16-2004, 06:28 PM

didn't you have anything useful to say or did you just want a crap post

say somthing worth saying or say nothing at all is how i feel

UtterlyConfuseD · 05-02-2004, 07:40 PM

Where i come from, we have so many cases like these that a local ghostwriter has compiled them into several books. By 'several' i mean several hundreds. In nearly all of them the problem is solved by getting a medium to convince the ghost that he/she/it kicked the bucket X years ago and should get the hell out.
Priests are not as effective as banishing spirits and indeed often end up getting their asses kicked by rampaging specters.
A spiritual medium is your best bet.

03-04-2004, 10:46 AM	#42 (permalink)
paulaboots Upright Location: rhondda valleys	i dont believe in ghosts but on this particular day ,as i said when my son was little and when he was talking 2 some 1 ,that really freaked me out. i dont believe in god neither, and reading the bible is a no go , __________________ paulaboots

03-04-2004, 01:59 PM	#43 (permalink)
theburner Canadian Beer Ambassador Location: Cumming, GA	Paulaboots, I would recommend taking Thagrastay w/ a grain of salt. Or maybe a whole shaker of salt. U are dealing with an entire realm of reality (or maybe not!!) that is basically unexplored by modern science. I too have had paranormal experiences, and my strongest and most evident one occured during a time in my life where I really wasn't open to the possiblity of it occuring. The weird part was this was a shared experience ( a buddy and I) and BOTH of us walked away changed. Just because you don't believe in Ghosts doesn't mean they can't reach out too you. And you don't have to watch for small "signs" either, if they want to get your attention, TRUST ME, they will. OH yeah, and I personally don't think a belief in God/Jesus?Buddah/Muhammed or anyone else is a precurser to these experiences either. __________________ Take Off Eh!

03-04-2004, 03:48 PM	#44 (permalink)
paulaboots Upright Location: rhondda valleys	what do u mean , u could command them 2 go under the lampshade , i never heard of that b 4 . or is it a trick question , lol ,i scared now __________________ paulaboots

03-05-2004, 07:05 AM	#46 (permalink)
Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	There's a difference between faith and common sense? I am not presenting my opinion, sir, I am presenting my experience, strength and hope to a person who has stated they have a problem and has asked for answers. There is an enorous difference here between opining and helping. Whereas one person may stand back and postulate their beliefs and theories about ideas, another may present their experiences and I would very much suspect that the proof would be there in the doing. I once had a friend who asked me why I would want to go to Africa and see the people that lived there. I gave him my reasons and he replied that he would never want to go to Africa. I told him, that was the thing which seperated us most- he could say he never wanted to go, and I could say I never wanted to go BACK. I did not write the Bible. Nor did I invent Jesus or the things He did. I was not there at His crucifixion or resurrection. I was not therer when Paul wrote his epistles, or Peter raised that man from the dead, either. But I have studied this book for decades. I have discussed this book with multitudes of scholars and lay persons. I have seen what I have seen, and I know what I know. In the end, I have come to experience many, many things when it comes to the material and spiritual realms, and I have seen that when the spiritual realm is pierced, or the spiritual realm pierces this one, there is but One Name in all of my experience that has the power to bind and banish these malevolent beings- and that Name is Yeshua, Meshiach. Jesus the Messiah. I have heard testamony from person from all across the world that when they have called upon that name, they have received relief from any number of things, especially possession or oppression. This is personal testamony from persons who have endured things they themselves have chosen to describe in their own words. How, then can this be strictly my opinion? Choose to believe what you will. You are free to do so. I am speaking from experience, and offer the questioner nothing more than what I have seen and done. I state as fact because that is what it is. I will not argue the historicity, because that is not for this thread and if you question so much about the bIble and your Messiah, I suggest that you study and pray a little harder. It certainly cannot hurt. Meanwhile, be at peace. __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"

03-05-2004, 07:24 AM	#47 (permalink)
theburner Canadian Beer Ambassador Location: Cumming, GA	<b>Thagrastay</b> I personally believe there is a difference between faith and common sense. Blind faith may lead to believe Jesus will protect you if you play in traffic, but common sense tells you this is probably NOT a good idea. I love your line about not presenting an opinion. Experiences, strength and hope SHAPE our opinions not create fact. Before Christopher Columbus proved the world was round, experience, strength and hope illustrated the world was indeed flat. Religion is one solution to this individuals situation, but common sense indictates there could be another solution (scientific, paranormal). Faith in a higher power is a wonderful thing, but blind faith can just as dangerous to an individual as not having any faith. Jonestown anyone? __________________ Take Off Eh!

03-04-2004, 05:37 PM	#45 (permalink)
D.C Upright Location: Midwest	I can sympathize with this thread. A little background on my house. It was built in 1896, for the first 75 years or so it was in the care of one family who passed it from generation to generation. After we bought the house and moved in my wife and I started to notice what sounded like someone walking around the 2nd floor. But everyone would be either gone or in bed asleep. We have seen orbs, heard voices and our kids have told us they have seen, heard things, or have had dreams. A few people we know who are "aware" have talked with us about our house, but we did not tell them beforehand what we were dealing with. The name "Sara" keeps coming up and when we checked our deed, a lady named Sara once owned the house and died in the house. She is harmless, I think for some reason she is tied to the house and is unable to cross over.

03-05-2004, 08:39 AM	#48 (permalink)
Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	There is no such thing as blind faith. A faith that is blind is not faith but lunacy. I love it when rationalists try to play at dissecting the unknown. What real experience do you bring to the table? We are not talking religion, here. I would think that COMMON SENSE would tell you that. Jonestown? I beg your pardon? A bit heavy handed, that, wouldn't you say? But I would expect no less. Having no real substance, personal attacks will suffice. Sound and fury signifying nothing and all that. Nowe on to the real topic at hand. Faith is an action. There that should be simple enough for even the most droll among you to fugure out, theburner. But let me take that a bit further: Faith is an action, based upon a belief. Now, here is the part where you come in with all of your logic: Define the term Belief. What is a belief? Is it a decision? a reaction? What is it? Help me out here, theburner, please. You see, religion is what Jonestown was- No faith there, mind you- simply linacy. That is becazuse Relkigion demands that you DO something in order to EARN your spot or place in eternity. Whereas spirituality and specifically, the Grace of Christainity states that there is nothing you CAN do, becasue it is already DONE. Salvation is a Free GIFT. So, theburner, please, get off my toes, thank you, and define "belief" for me, if you're able. And no fair runningto the Websters. Let's find out just how truly smart you really are, shall we? Doctorate anyone? __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"

03-05-2004, 08:56 AM	#49 (permalink)
theburner Canadian Beer Ambassador Location: Cumming, GA	<b>Thegrastay</b> First off, we are going to consult Websters so that we have a culturally accepted definition of the word. Otherwise we are injecting nothing but conjecture into an arguement already rife with it. Belief: (Mirriam-Webster) a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing Therefore belief is a decision, as you are deciding who to trust and / or confide in. Is it a reaction? Yes, it can be. Now let's look at Faith: something that is believed especially with strong conviction I would submit that based upon the culturally accepted definition of Faith that the worshippers in Jonestown were indeed Faithful. It would take a strong belief and conviction to follow the teachings of Jim Jones. I request you illustrate a personal attack I have made on you! Have I questioned your comments? Yes. Have I resorted to name calling? No. Am I as impressed with your "credentials" as you are? Not by a long shot. __________________ Take Off Eh!

03-06-2004, 08:12 AM	#50 (permalink)
Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	Very well then. Having slithered from that one casually, I conceded to you your spoils. I do wonder, though, just how many names you go by. But that is neither here nor there, and I have no idea what you mean by credentials. Have you any to present? I express only my experience. Now, However I am done with you as you are not the subject of this thread and niether am I. The subject is how best to deal with nuisance "Ghosts". My suggestion is, and has been all along, that you trerat them as nothing more than hostile spirits who have entered your home without your permission and are there to do no more than disrupt your life and prey upon the welfare of your family, specifically your children and young ladies and widows. I suggest that their is in fact a spiritual Heirarchy to which they will respond and at the top of that Heirarchy is the Hebrew Messiah, to whom they will, without question give fealty, albeit unwillingly at first. Furthermore, I suggest that if the subjest of the spiritual invasion were to exercise their right of domain and utilize that NAme of the Messiah in demanding that the aggressive "Ghosts" depart and not return, and then ask that Messiah to enter into that home instead, relief would come and be maintained. This is my suggestion and my experience. Do with it what you will. Be at peace and all of you be safe, in the Name of Yeshua Meshiach. __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"

04-04-2004, 12:58 AM	#51 (permalink)
mgiannelis Upright	Ghost I feel that you may be able to make her happy and invite her family members over to the house for dinner. This may bring some warmth into the house for the ghost. A close family member can take a stab in the dark and attempt to talk to the ghost. All the ghost might need is some closure from her family members so she can move on. __________________ If the world lived in harmony there would be war anyways

04-11-2004, 08:37 PM	#52 (permalink)
fuzyfuzer Insane Location: st. louis	first off all any updates and on with my story when i was younger untill i was 7 we lived in an old house that was built for the worlds fair in 1904 and apparently a lawyer died there in the past well for years i had this one dream nothing else at all i was in a massive room and accross from me was a man sitting in a large marble chair in a black suit with a black hat he only said somthing once in all the years i can remember it was the nite before we moved he said it was nice seeing another person and i hope to see you agian unfortunatly i have never seen him again and i have had very few dreams __________________ "The difference between commiment and involvment is like a ham and egg breakfast the chicken was involved but the pig was commited" "Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history. Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt

04-12-2004, 08:50 AM	#53 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Wow. Not one capital letter or sign of punctuation in that entire post. That, and didn't this thread die a month ago? __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

04-16-2004, 06:28 PM	#54 (permalink)
fuzyfuzer Insane Location: st. louis	didn't you have anything useful to say or did you just want a crap post say somthing worth saying or say nothing at all is how i feel __________________ "The difference between commiment and involvment is like a ham and egg breakfast the chicken was involved but the pig was commited" "Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history. Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt

05-02-2004, 07:40 PM	#55 (permalink)
UtterlyConfuseD Upright	Where i come from, we have so many cases like these that a local ghostwriter has compiled them into several books. By 'several' i mean several hundreds. In nearly all of them the problem is solved by getting a medium to convince the ghost that he/she/it kicked the bucket X years ago and should get the hell out. Priests are not as effective as banishing spirits and indeed often end up getting their asses kicked by rampaging specters. A spiritual medium is your best bet.