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cchris · 08-10-2003, 04:19 AM

The first reaction people have when you tell them that you "believe" is one of mild agreement.
When you start to theorize it becomes a futile effort as the average person in the street couldn't care less about this sort of stuff and will be inclined to dismiss and think of you as a borderline nutcase.
It is natural human behaviour.
Afterall,the mortgage to pay and the kids to raise is the dominating factor in our lives.
No one needs to think about life outside the planet Earth.

A few people here do though by the looks of it.

I have only had a few things happen to me that might be described as "out of the ordinary" and these are nothing more than deja vu experiences.

At the end of the day I am of the view that something may be out there and to just simply dismiss is to have a closed mind.

Tilted Paranoia.(Who would have thought)?

Got massive reservations about posting here but you only live twice and I am always up for a good probe.

I was hoping to be able to update this thread on a regular basis because I like to keep all my conspiracies in one place,and Iv'e got a lot of stuff to share.
So if thats OK I will continue like this.

EACH PICTURE IS THE LINK

To start.

MPEG format video footage of various sightings around the world.

VIDEO EVIDENCE ARCHIVE

redravin40 · 08-10-2003, 06:28 AM

I have to admit to a great deal of skepticism at pictures (too many ways to doctor the darn things) but I have seen some video of moving lights that are damned hard to explain.
It comes down to two factors.
One, can we be so egotistical as to think there are no planets in the universe where there are no intelligent life.
Carl Sagan did a better job of the numbers but the basic idea was that if only one solar system in 500,000 had the right circumstances for life to flourish and only 1 in 500,000 of those developed into sentient beings, then only 1 in 500,000 of those reached our level of tech then there would still be thousands of planets with beings who are trying to raise kids and pay the mortgage.
The tougher part is the speed of light.
I have seen many theories on how the beat the problem of huge distances and the wall created by the speed of light but I don't think we are going to be solving that problem for a very long time.
So while I think they are out there, I'm not so sure that they care we are here.
My one side thought is that when the speed of light problem is broken we will have a form of time travel. Perhaps our visitors are humans checking out their ancient ancestors.

cchris · 08-10-2003, 07:08 AM

Yeah,very good point.
Who knows what lays behind or indeed ahead of us.

Moving forward.

At the speed of light through the universe

Earth to the moon 1.28 seconds

Sun to Earth 8.5 minutes

Sun to the nearest star 4.3 years

Sun to the furtherest stars 18 billion years

Even if the light went out at some stage we would still see it.

Speed of light info.

Barely visible link.

TwistedFate · 08-10-2003, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by redravin40
The tougher part is the speed of light.
I have seen many theories on how the beat the problem of huge distances and the wall created by the speed of light but I don't think we are going to be solving that problem for a very long time.
So while I think they are out there, I'm not so sure that they care we are here.

Don't have much time to check out the links right now but I will later. Just wanted to check in with something real quick, though, on the problem of lightspeed. While light speed is considered by many to be the a speed barrier that can't even be approached much less broken, remember that the same thing was thought about the sound barrier not too long ago. And once the sound barrier was broken we were quickly able to double it. Thank you, Mr. Yeager.

redravin summed up my feelings nicely. I feel it is exceedingly arrogant to believe that we are the only life in a Universe the size of ours.

grumpyolddude · 08-10-2003, 03:30 PM

Cchris, I am a believer I believe that someday science will find a way around the light-speed problem with "worm holes" or "slipstream" drives, most likely from reverse-engineering an alien craft.
Many of the pics in your first link are familiar and believable. C3PO in the sky over Redfish, FL is hilarious, though!

macmanmike6100 · 08-10-2003, 05:50 PM

grumpy, a bit too much StarTrek there, eh? Wormholes and slipstream...I want a proof-of-concept!

:-)

Stare At The Sun · 08-11-2003, 11:00 PM

I hope that their is life out there, and ^ i wish i lived in the ST universe, cause i am a huge nerd, but really, its a better time, more hopeful, peaceful, idealistic, etc. Anyways, back to the topic at hand, i believe aliens exist, though, i think they would follow something similar to the prime directive, and not communicate w/ us, only observe, but jeb the alien sometimes forgets to activate the cloaking device...-_-. My rambling isnt making much sense is it..

Still though, i think aliens probably figured a way around the laws of physics that we know. But, then again, maybe not...

cchris · 08-12-2003, 06:50 AM

The laws of physics may not even exist in the depths of space and we will probably never know what may be out there.
It's interesting however that so much research has been put in by various governments and military funds have been dedicated to actually de-bunking the subject that makes for the intrigue.

The site below is basically a timeline of military involvement and history.

Most of it makes for an interesting read and some of it may be crap,but the interest remains for me as a lot of what has happened throughout history indicates that Man has experienced strange lights in the sky and sightings galore.

He may never be able to explain it with proof,but at least the "Government" is excited when he gets close.

LINK

grumpyolddude · 08-12-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macmanmike6100
grumpy, a bit too much StarTrek there, eh? Wormholes and slipstream...I want a proof-of-concept!

:-)

Like I said, I believe, and I want to believe. The terms I quoted may be familiar from SciFi, but the concepts of folding space/time, generating gravity wells and other alternate methods of propulsion are already being theorized. Just because these do not project from our current technology doesn't make them impossible. Go back to 1803 and "prove" that microwaves can cook food. (You can't take any technology back with you!)
Yes, I've read tons of SciFi. The best of it has a sound scientific base. Gene Roddenberry does tend to flex the laws a bit, but his universe is conceptually possible. "We are the dreamers of dreams...."

08-10-2003, 04:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
cchris Junkie Location: Sydney	Musings of a cigarette smoking Man The first reaction people have when you tell them that you "believe" is one of mild agreement. When you start to theorize it becomes a futile effort as the average person in the street couldn't care less about this sort of stuff and will be inclined to dismiss and think of you as a borderline nutcase. It is natural human behaviour. Afterall,the mortgage to pay and the kids to raise is the dominating factor in our lives. No one needs to think about life outside the planet Earth. A few people here do though by the looks of it. I have only had a few things happen to me that might be described as "out of the ordinary" and these are nothing more than deja vu experiences. At the end of the day I am of the view that something may be out there and to just simply dismiss is to have a closed mind. Tilted Paranoia.(Who would have thought)? Got massive reservations about posting here but you only live twice and I am always up for a good probe. I was hoping to be able to update this thread on a regular basis because I like to keep all my conspiracies in one place,and Iv'e got a lot of stuff to share. So if thats OK I will continue like this. EACH PICTURE IS THE LINK To start. MPEG format video footage of various sightings around the world. VIDEO EVIDENCE ARCHIVE __________________ There's a fine line between participation and mockery

08-10-2003, 07:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
cchris Junkie Location: Sydney	Yeah,very good point. Who knows what lays behind or indeed ahead of us. Moving forward. At the speed of light through the universe Earth to the moon 1.28 seconds Sun to Earth 8.5 minutes Sun to the nearest star 4.3 years Sun to the furtherest stars 18 billion years Even if the light went out at some stage we would still see it. Speed of light info. Barely visible link. __________________ There's a fine line between participation and mockery

08-10-2003, 03:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Cchris, I am a believer I believe that someday science will find a way around the light-speed problem with "worm holes" or "slipstream" drives, most likely from reverse-engineering an alien craft. Many of the pics in your first link are familiar and believable. C3PO in the sky over Redfish, FL is hilarious, though! __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

08-12-2003, 06:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
cchris Junkie Location: Sydney	The laws of physics may not even exist in the depths of space and we will probably never know what may be out there. It's interesting however that so much research has been put in by various governments and military funds have been dedicated to actually de-bunking the subject that makes for the intrigue. The site below is basically a timeline of military involvement and history. Most of it makes for an interesting read and some of it may be crap,but the interest remains for me as a lot of what has happened throughout history indicates that Man has experienced strange lights in the sky and sightings galore. He may never be able to explain it with proof,but at least the "Government" is excited when he gets close. LINK __________________ There's a fine line between participation and mockery

08-10-2003, 06:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
redravin40 Loser Location: With Jadzia	I have to admit to a great deal of skepticism at pictures (too many ways to doctor the darn things) but I have seen some video of moving lights that are damned hard to explain. It comes down to two factors. One, can we be so egotistical as to think there are no planets in the universe where there are no intelligent life. Carl Sagan did a better job of the numbers but the basic idea was that if only one solar system in 500,000 had the right circumstances for life to flourish and only 1 in 500,000 of those developed into sentient beings, then only 1 in 500,000 of those reached our level of tech then there would still be thousands of planets with beings who are trying to raise kids and pay the mortgage. The tougher part is the speed of light. I have seen many theories on how the beat the problem of huge distances and the wall created by the speed of light but I don't think we are going to be solving that problem for a very long time. So while I think they are out there, I'm not so sure that they care we are here. My one side thought is that when the speed of light problem is broken we will have a form of time travel. Perhaps our visitors are humans checking out their ancient ancestors.

08-10-2003, 05:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
macmanmike6100 High Honorary Junkie Location: Tri-state.	grumpy, a bit too much StarTrek there, eh? Wormholes and slipstream...I want a proof-of-concept! :-)

08-11-2003, 11:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	I hope that their is life out there, and ^ i wish i lived in the ST universe, cause i am a huge nerd, but really, its a better time, more hopeful, peaceful, idealistic, etc. Anyways, back to the topic at hand, i believe aliens exist, though, i think they would follow something similar to the prime directive, and not communicate w/ us, only observe, but jeb the alien sometimes forgets to activate the cloaking device...-_-. My rambling isnt making much sense is it.. Still though, i think aliens probably figured a way around the laws of physics that we know. But, then again, maybe not...