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MacGuyver · 12-08-2004, 11:18 PM

SO BAD! How in god's name do you play that poorly at THE BILLBOARD MUSIC AWARDS. This was a pretty big gig for them and they totally choked. For those of you who dont know what I'm talking about, Evanescence was on stage playing "My Immortal" and once the full band came in, one of the guitarists was terribly out of tune. The whole time. It's kind of a shame really... all Amy Lee could say at the end of the song was "WOW" and then looked back at her bandmates with such a dissapointment in her eyes.

Stompy · 12-09-2004, 08:21 AM

If you play poorly in general, chances are you won't make a sudden change elsewhere.

MacGuyver · 12-09-2004, 10:49 AM

Evanescence at Billboard

There should be a video of the performance.

filtherton · 12-09-2004, 10:53 AM

Isn't evanescence just a lacuna coil cover band anyway?

MacGuyver · 12-09-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

Isn't evanescence just a lacuna coil cover band anyway?

mmmm definately not. Evanescence is more well known and out in the open public than Lacuna Coil is.

filtherton · 12-09-2004, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGuyver

mmmm definately not. Evanescence is more well known and out in the open public than Lacuna Coil is.

I know. I was just being a dirty jerk.

vanblah · 12-09-2004, 12:04 PM

Not that I want to come to the defense of Evanescence, but the guitar player probably couldn't hear himself in the monitor mix.

Of course, a band like that can afford some in-line tuners ...

vanblah · 12-09-2004, 12:07 PM

After watching the video I realize now that the guitar was not out of tune ... it sounded more like it was being played out of key.

Wow ... I hereby retract my previous statement.

mrklixx · 12-09-2004, 01:47 PM

At least they weren't lipsynching.

Since the original version was just Amy, a piano, and the Symphony, the other band members pobably felt left out and threw together that piss-poor extra bit so it would be a "band" performance.

Bill O'Rights · 12-09-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

At least they weren't lipsynching.

Hey! There ya go.

Arroe · 12-09-2004, 02:28 PM

oh god, that sounded like crap

TexanAvenger · 12-09-2004, 02:44 PM

Alright, so they choked. Give 'em a break, everybody screws up. Granted, not everybody screws up that bad, and everybody certainly doesn't screw up that badly at the billboard music awards, but they're only human.... Except in that one video.

Spektr · 12-09-2004, 04:33 PM

What?! Linkin Park hired a female singer, and they screwed up?? Astounding...

stonegrody · 12-09-2004, 04:37 PM

Wow, that was pretty bad. There were some hard core wrong notes being played there. Even Amy Lee was amazed by the badness. Sucks.

indigochild111 · 12-09-2004, 04:48 PM

Wow..just....wow. You guys really weren't kidding, were you? I mean, Amy Lee went a little outta tune, but..that's kinda understandable when you're on stage I guess. But that guitarist, wtf?

On a different note (haha had to do it), I think Amy Lee has a nice voice. And she's hott.

MacGuyver · 12-09-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

At least they weren't lipsynching.

Since the original version was just Amy, a piano, and the Symphony, the other band members pobably felt left out and threw together that piss-poor extra bit so it would be a "band" performance.

Totally agree on the lip sync. Fuck Ashley Simpson. Anyways... what they played on stage is the same exact thing as on the album, at least until they fucked up. So it wasn't some last minute, pulled-out-of-the-ass band arrangement.

So what happend was....

guy44 · 12-10-2004, 12:25 AM

Well, that guitarist was way, way, way out of tune or something.

But really, I felt like those violinists and celloists were debasing themselves by playing for this song. That was an extraordinarily bland song, punctuated by moments of true crap. Just because a band utilizes a slow melody and a piano doesn't mean it deserves an orchestra.

I didn't have an opinion on Evanescence before now, but wow, that was a bad song, even if the guitarist would have done fine.

vanblah · 12-10-2004, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGuyver

Totally agree on the lip sync. Fuck Ashley Simpson. Anyways... what they played on stage is the same exact thing as on the album, at least until they fucked up. So it wasn't some last minute, pulled-out-of-the-ass band arrangement.

So what happend was....

It sounded to me like one of the following scenarios:

Since they were using a <i>real</i> orchestra they had to transpose the song to accomodate certain instruments. The guitar player either didn't get the memo or didn't know how to transpose.

-or-

Amy Lee had a cold and the entire song had to be transposed to accomodate her inability to hit the higher notes for this performanace. The guitar player either didn't get the memo or didn't know how to transpose.

-or-

The guitar player was in standard tuning and the song is in an alternate tuning or the other way around.

-or-

The guitar player was miffed because he was playing with Evanescence (or something) and sabotaged the performance.

In any case the guitar player came across as very unprofessional. I for one REFUSE to cut anyone slack for playing like that. He should have just dropped out. There is no excuse for it if you are a professional.

Doug

zenmaster10665 · 12-10-2004, 11:12 AM

Ok, so I watched this...It was bad, but not horrible, I think the sound man must have recognised the problem and turned down the guitarist, because he comes in strong at the beginning and then is less audible towards the end....He was definitely playing in the wrong key...

It's a good thing that Amy has a nice voice and can play the piano, otherwise there would have been no redeeming qualities of the performance.

Either way, the music is too whiny and formulaic for my tastes.

Redlemon · 12-10-2004, 12:45 PM

Reminds me of a White Zombie perfomance about 10 years ago, I think it was on an MTV award show. I don't recall what the specific problem was, but I think it was the guitar that was playing at least a beat off from the rest of the group. And I don't think that "More Human Than Human" is that challenging of a piece to play. I distinctly remember people cheering at the end, and the really cute bass player looking at the audience like "Are you serious? Were you even listening?"

wakelagger · 12-10-2004, 03:05 PM

Yeah, that was awful. I don't understand how the guitarist didn't prepare for this or why he didn't stop when he realized he sucked the bag.
Is it just me, or is the 'grand piano' Amy Lee is playing just a keyboard with a 'Baldwin' grand piano mock-up around it?

blitz.fenix · 12-10-2004, 03:21 PM

Well she openly admitted that they were only in it for the money on TV.

vanblah · 12-10-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wakelagger

Is it just me, or is the 'grand piano' Amy Lee is playing just a keyboard with a 'Baldwin' grand piano mock-up around it?

That was a ConcertMaster series ... grand piano WITH synthesizer thing. They're actually kind of cool.

-edit-

Nevermind. I just watched it in it's entirety that is not a ConcertMaster.

Anyway, there were more problems than just the guitar here. It sounded like some of the strings were out too.

Amy Lee was flat throughout the entire thing. I'm thinking she had a cold and they had to transpose the song. Her vocal was obviously auto-tuned, but auto-tune only corrects to the NEAREST pitch so if she was horribly out of tune it will correct incorrectly. Does that make sense?

Since she was playing a "keyboard" instead of a real piano I am going to assume that she did not know how to transpose the song on her own. You can transpose an entire keyboard so that the player just plays it normally but the notes are transposed.

She also said, "Sorry" in the very beginning to the conductor. What was that all about?

This is a classic example of a group of people (excluding the orchestra) with very little performing experience.

Doug

K-Wise · 12-11-2004, 12:43 PM

God dammit I hate this fucking Mac! Does anyone have this shit in another format that I can actually view?(There is no application available to open the document "Evanescence-My Immortal-BBMA 12") n Like mpg, or mov, maybe even wmv or rm? Either way their original guitarist Ben Moody was part of the big orchestral re-make of the song (Shit so didn't fuckin need it) and he left the band. I'm not sure if they've really found a suitable replacement for the guy yet. He was pretty good. From what it sounds like though they had more problems than just the guitarist. And as far as I've heard from both bands the only similarity between them and Lacuna Coil is that both bands have a female vocalist...they don't write the same kind of material, they don't play the same kind of material as far as I know, people should really just leave em alone already with that shit. Just like Bush was ripping off Nirvana and Silverchair were ripping off Pearl Jam, etc. etc.

Asta!!

Scorps · 12-11-2004, 04:06 PM

the 04 billboards??

mikeylips · 12-12-2004, 10:44 AM

That was simply bad. There is no excuse for that, tuning a guitar is not a difficult procedure. Playing in tune is one of the most important aspects of a performance and that was awful. He should have flipped his volume off and just faked it, it sounds better without his part anyway. Amy sounded like she was having some intonation problems as well in the beginning when she was trying to sing softer but when she was belting it out it had that beautiful quality that always gets me. I love her. Screw that guitar player.

Stare At The Sun · 12-12-2004, 10:50 AM

I saw them in concert in cleveland, and they pretty much blew. I was in the first row, and could not hear her singing sometimes, because of how overpowering the drums and guitar were. Still, they just need more experiance on stage i guess?

Locke7 · 12-13-2004, 08:38 AM

Well I just listened to it against the CD. It is tuned down a note or 2 below the cd version. Plus, I don't even know why they put that whole "heavy guitar" part in to it. It's a nice piano, orchestra, amy's voice song on the CD. IMO, they screwed the real song over by adding all that crap in. The first time I heard it with the guitar was when they played it on the radio, maybe the addition of the guitar made it more mainstream playable.

Fallen is a great album though.

Frosstbyte · 12-13-2004, 01:03 PM

Where was Mr. Sound Guy in the midst of this? I mean, someone's got to be listening and sitting at the sound board. Just drop the guitar out! It wasn't even close to the violin counterpart. Of course, moments after, her voice and the violin's don't match up at all either. I think they collectively dropped the ball on that one. Ah well, I'd be lying if I claimed I haven't fucked up like that in public a time or two myself. Fortunately, of coruse, mine aren't broadcast live on national television.

Zephyr66 · 12-13-2004, 03:35 PM

Bah, Evanescence is just Amaran if you gave the drummer a guitar and vice versa.

Suave · 12-13-2004, 04:11 PM

Greenday on the other hand, did a bang-up job. So did Usher. I just thought I'd point out some good parts, and besides; it's nice to see a decently "old" band like Greenday still able to do their thing.

jonjon42 · 12-13-2004, 05:17 PM

she sounded like she had a cold. The orchestra sounded fine to me the vioinist seemed to be fighting the guitarist to an extent..trying to be louder then the guitarist...either that or the sound guy amped him up to mask the guitar....
yeah the guitarist is a dead one....no instrumentalist should ever keep playing when they are playing so out of tune...either a. stop playing..or b. get on the right page. Never keep playing and hurt the group as a whole. It's too bad because Amy's singing was good. (from working with some vocalists from time to time..I've gotten to expect them to be a little out of tune....)

12-08-2004, 11:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Evanescence at Billboard SO BAD! How in god's name do you play that poorly at THE BILLBOARD MUSIC AWARDS. This was a pretty big gig for them and they totally choked. For those of you who dont know what I'm talking about, Evanescence was on stage playing "My Immortal" and once the full band came in, one of the guitarists was terribly out of tune. The whole time. It's kind of a shame really... all Amy Lee could say at the end of the song was "WOW" and then looked back at her bandmates with such a dissapointment in her eyes. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

12-09-2004, 08:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	If you play poorly in general, chances are you won't make a sudden change elsewhere. __________________ I love lamp.

12-09-2004, 10:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Evanescence at Billboard There should be a video of the performance. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

12-09-2004, 04:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
stonegrody Brooding. Location: CA-USA	Wow, that was pretty bad. There were some hard core wrong notes being played there. Even Amy Lee was amazed by the badness. Sucks. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality. Embrace this moment. Remember. We are eternal. All this pain is an illusion. Tool - Parabola

12-09-2004, 04:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
indigochild111 Crazy	Wow..just....wow. You guys really weren't kidding, were you? I mean, Amy Lee went a little outta tune, but..that's kinda understandable when you're on stage I guess. But that guitarist, wtf? On a different note (haha had to do it), I think Amy Lee has a nice voice. And she's hott. __________________ Breathe out, So I can breathe you in Hold you in

12-09-2004, 10:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Isn't evanescence just a lacuna coil cover band anyway?

12-09-2004, 12:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
vanblah Junkie	Not that I want to come to the defense of Evanescence, but the guitar player probably couldn't hear himself in the monitor mix. Of course, a band like that can afford some in-line tuners ...

12-09-2004, 12:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
vanblah Junkie	After watching the video I realize now that the guitar was not out of tune ... it sounded more like it was being played out of key. Wow ... I hereby retract my previous statement.

12-09-2004, 01:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
mrklixx President Rick Location: location location	At least they weren't lipsynching. Since the original version was just Amy, a piano, and the Symphony, the other band members pobably felt left out and threw together that piss-poor extra bit so it would be a "band" performance.

12-09-2004, 02:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Arroe Insane Location: USA	oh god, that sounded like crap

12-09-2004, 02:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
TexanAvenger Born-Again New Guy Location: Unfound.	Alright, so they choked. Give 'em a break, everybody screws up. Granted, not everybody screws up that bad, and everybody certainly doesn't screw up that badly at the billboard music awards, but they're only human.... Except in that one video.

12-09-2004, 04:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
Spektr Copacetic Location: Nati	What?! Linkin Park hired a female singer, and they screwed up?? Astounding...

12-10-2004, 12:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
guy44 Somnabulist Location: corner of No and Where	Well, that guitarist was way, way, way out of tune or something. But really, I felt like those violinists and celloists were debasing themselves by playing for this song. That was an extraordinarily bland song, punctuated by moments of true crap. Just because a band utilizes a slow melody and a piano doesn't mean it deserves an orchestra. I didn't have an opinion on Evanescence before now, but wow, that was a bad song, even if the guitarist would have done fine. __________________ "You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'"

12-10-2004, 11:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
zenmaster10665 Bokonist Location: Location, Location, Location...	Ok, so I watched this...It was bad, but not horrible, I think the sound man must have recognised the problem and turned down the guitarist, because he comes in strong at the beginning and then is less audible towards the end....He was definitely playing in the wrong key... It's a good thing that Amy has a nice voice and can play the piano, otherwise there would have been no redeeming qualities of the performance. Either way, the music is too whiny and formulaic for my tastes. __________________ "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." -Kurt Vonnegut

12-10-2004, 12:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	Reminds me of a White Zombie perfomance about 10 years ago, I think it was on an MTV award show. I don't recall what the specific problem was, but I think it was the guitar that was playing at least a beat off from the rest of the group. And I don't think that "More Human Than Human" is that challenging of a piece to play. I distinctly remember people cheering at the end, and the really cute bass player looking at the audience like "Are you serious? Were you even listening?" __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

12-11-2004, 04:06 PM	#25 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	the 04 billboards?? __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

12-10-2004, 03:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
wakelagger Insane Location: Toronto	Yeah, that was awful. I don't understand how the guitarist didn't prepare for this or why he didn't stop when he realized he sucked the bag. Is it just me, or is the 'grand piano' Amy Lee is playing just a keyboard with a 'Baldwin' grand piano mock-up around it?

12-10-2004, 03:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
blitz.fenix Insane Location: Toronto	Well she openly admitted that they were only in it for the money on TV.

12-11-2004, 12:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	God dammit I hate this fucking Mac! Does anyone have this shit in another format that I can actually view?(There is no application available to open the document "Evanescence-My Immortal-BBMA 12") n Like mpg, or mov, maybe even wmv or rm? Either way their original guitarist Ben Moody was part of the big orchestral re-make of the song (Shit so didn't fuckin need it) and he left the band. I'm not sure if they've really found a suitable replacement for the guy yet. He was pretty good. From what it sounds like though they had more problems than just the guitarist. And as far as I've heard from both bands the only similarity between them and Lacuna Coil is that both bands have a female vocalist...they don't write the same kind of material, they don't play the same kind of material as far as I know, people should really just leave em alone already with that shit. Just like Bush was ripping off Nirvana and Silverchair were ripping off Pearl Jam, etc. etc. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

12-12-2004, 10:44 AM	#26 (permalink)
mikeylips Crazy	That was simply bad. There is no excuse for that, tuning a guitar is not a difficult procedure. Playing in tune is one of the most important aspects of a performance and that was awful. He should have flipped his volume off and just faked it, it sounds better without his part anyway. Amy sounded like she was having some intonation problems as well in the beginning when she was trying to sing softer but when she was belting it out it had that beautiful quality that always gets me. I love her. Screw that guitar player.

12-12-2004, 10:50 AM	#27 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	I saw them in concert in cleveland, and they pretty much blew. I was in the first row, and could not hear her singing sometimes, because of how overpowering the drums and guitar were. Still, they just need more experiance on stage i guess?

12-13-2004, 08:38 AM	#28 (permalink)
Locke7 Insane	Well I just listened to it against the CD. It is tuned down a note or 2 below the cd version. Plus, I don't even know why they put that whole "heavy guitar" part in to it. It's a nice piano, orchestra, amy's voice song on the CD. IMO, they screwed the real song over by adding all that crap in. The first time I heard it with the guitar was when they played it on the radio, maybe the addition of the guitar made it more mainstream playable. Fallen is a great album though.

12-13-2004, 01:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Where was Mr. Sound Guy in the midst of this? I mean, someone's got to be listening and sitting at the sound board. Just drop the guitar out! It wasn't even close to the violin counterpart. Of course, moments after, her voice and the violin's don't match up at all either. I think they collectively dropped the ball on that one. Ah well, I'd be lying if I claimed I haven't fucked up like that in public a time or two myself. Fortunately, of coruse, mine aren't broadcast live on national television.

12-13-2004, 03:35 PM	#30 (permalink)
Zephyr66 My custom title's the shit! Location: Canada	Bah, Evanescence is just Amaran if you gave the drummer a guitar and vice versa.

12-13-2004, 04:11 PM	#31 (permalink)
Suave Twitterpated Location: My own little world (also Canada)	Greenday on the other hand, did a bang-up job. So did Usher. I just thought I'd point out some good parts, and besides; it's nice to see a decently "old" band like Greenday still able to do their thing.

12-13-2004, 05:17 PM	#32 (permalink)
jonjon42 Psycho Location: inside my own mind	she sounded like she had a cold. The orchestra sounded fine to me the vioinist seemed to be fighting the guitarist to an extent..trying to be louder then the guitarist...either that or the sound guy amped him up to mask the guitar.... yeah the guitarist is a dead one....no instrumentalist should ever keep playing when they are playing so out of tune...either a. stop playing..or b. get on the right page. Never keep playing and hurt the group as a whole. It's too bad because Amy's singing was good. (from working with some vocalists from time to time..I've gotten to expect them to be a little out of tune....) __________________ A damn dirty hippie without the dirty part....