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07-27-2004, 09:21 PM
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classic rock: a comprehensive listing
Ok gang, I'd like your help. I want to put together a comprehensive list of all the "classic rock" bands/artists, for the purpose of filling out my mp3 collection, which has become woefully inadequate to me recently. I have around 500 songs in my collection (plus about 100 cds) and I find that I dont have enough variety. I tend to go on kicks where I'll d/l a bunch of songs by a particular band/artist, so as a result, I have 500 songs by maybe 50 artists. But whenever I try to rack my memory banks for other bands, I get brainlock and cant come up with anything but the obvious bands that I already know I love and have lots of.
So lets try to list all the "classic rock" bands. I'll start with a list of what I consider the most important classic rock acts of all time. This will serve two purposes. First, I will get a significant portion of the obvious ones out of the way. Second, it will give, for those who may be unsure, a good idea of what I consider classic rock. a vague definition of classic rock (as I see it): anything in the rock genre recorded between 1960 and 1990, or by bands that had the majority of their success in that 30 year period. classic rock also tends to be guitar (especially, but not strictly limited to, electric guitar) oriented. the short list, in no particular order: The Beatles The Stones Jimi Hendrix Led Zeppelin The Who Pink Floyd Aerosmith Queen Genesis Cream/Clapton AC/DC Boston The Police Ted Nugent Rush Yes The Allman Brothers Stevie Ray Vaughn Van Halen Black Sabbath Deep Purple Kiss CCR Alice Cooper Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and Young) Steely Dan note: there are lots of artists/bands that fit the vague definition above (ie rock genre from 1960-90) that I do NOT consider "classic rock" such as Poison, Bon Jovi, Cinderella, etc. There are even some classic rock stations that play these bands (and others like them). The difference, as I see it is that bands such as these, though they may have a decent song or three, are fluff compared to heavyweights above. Im talking not only about musical chops, but also songwriting skills, a sound all their own, and originality. so, who else can we add to the list? I'd like to see this get to at least 200 bands, if we can.
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07-27-2004, 11:46 PM
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Some very notable ommissions there. But you probably left some off to urge the participation
 The Doors SANTANA! Grateful Dead Heart Edgar Winter Foghat Cheap Trick ZZ Top The Doobie Brothers Dire Straits Three Dog Night Bad Company Ted Nugent BTO Joe Walsh TRaffic Tom Petty Fleetwood Mac Bruce Springsteen Blue Oyster Cult Moody Blues I'm sure there are more. Come on people. |
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07-28-2004, 01:00 AM
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Ok I'm pissed.
  Emerson Lake and Plamer? SuperTramp? Among others and NOT 1 Person mentions the greatest R&R band ever????? The KINKS Then also needed on the list of a true Classic rocker: Meatloaf The Beach Boys Simon and Garfunkel (more folkish rock) Mamas and the Papas The Yardbirds The Byrds The Hollies Rod Stewart Paul McCartney/ Wings John Lennon George Harrison The Traveling Wilburys Guns and Roses .38 Special William Martin Joel (AKA Billy) Neil Young Eric Burdon and the Animals The Ramones Blondie Berlin Zappa Jefferson Airplane/ Starship America The Guess Who Berlin Pat Benatar Joan Jett Def Leppard The Scorpions (big cult following and HUGE in their native Europe) Journey Styx Kansas Jan and Dean ELO Ozzy Motorhead King Crimson War Billy Idol Early greats: Chuck Berry Little Richard George Thorogood (I know later but much of his stuff is his artistic coverage of Berry/ Richard/ some Hank Sr. turned rock etc.) Jerry Lee Lewis Roy Orbison Motown greats (of course some classify it as R&B but they were considered and played as Rock in the day): The Temptations Marvin Gaye The Supremes Smoky Robinson Phil Specter's Wall of Sound The Commodores/ Lionel Ritchie James Brown
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07-28-2004, 01:22 AM
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Oh yeah and
Jackson 5 Micheal Jackson Stevie Wonder Da Freak himself, Rick James
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
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07-28-2004, 02:23 AM
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Uriah Heep Spirit Jeff Beck The Black Crowes James Gang Bob Welch Tod Rundgren Gordon Lightfoot Nazareth Thin Lizzy Wings Robin Trower The Clash Janis Joplin Ry Cooder The Eagles The Alan Parsons Project Triumph Sammy Hagar Grand Funk Railroad Toto Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band In Living Coloure Wilson Pickett Mountain Whitesnake Dio Buffalo Springfield Billy Squier Free Queensryche Cheap Trick Peter Frampton The MC5 New York Dolls Steve Vai Jeff Healey Joe Cocker Foreigner Badfinger Bread Chicago The Cult Bo Diddley Iggy Pop & The Stooges Fuck I'm totally lost now....can't think of anymore but I'll remember some more by tommorow this afternoon. Asta!!
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07-28-2004, 08:47 AM
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Hm. I think you need to respecify what is classic rock.
Id try from 1950-1975. I mean, whens the last time youve heard something from 1989 classified as Classic Rock? Plus most radio stations do hits from the 00's, 90's, and 80's, and call them the Latest Hits of Today. Iron Maiden Ringo Starrs All Starr band. Red Hot Chili Peppers damnit cant think of anymore |
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07-28-2004, 11:59 AM
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I define Classic Rock as the time period between "Meet the Beatles" and Zeppelin's "Coda" (roughly 1962/63 to 1980). Plus, there has to be a certain sound to it.
I would not put these bands in Classic Rock: AC/DC The Police Chili Peppers Iron Maiden Sabbath Stevie Ray Vaughn Jackson 5 Stevie Wonder Ramones Motorhead I'm going by the radio definition of the genre here. Some missing: King Crimson Mott the Hoople Alan Parsons Project
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07-28-2004, 12:39 PM
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I had King Crimson listed. I also listed Jackson 5, the Ramones, Motorhead, and Stevie Wonder.....lol
It all depends on who you are, where and when you were raised. I think everyone has a different opinion of what Classic Rock is. I mean CR stations around here play G-N-R, AC/DC, the Ramones and such, but play very little if any Motown. Yet Motown (as a label and sound under Barry Gordy) outsold every other label (except Capitol, I think) in the 60's and was very much considered R&R. So it all depends on who you ask because everyone has a different taste and belief, that's what makes music probably the greatest of all the arts, yet the hardest to classify, because you can have so many different sounds and each sound evokes differing emotions and opinions from each individual. You can subset Classic Rock into groups also like: Hard/Heavy Metal (BOC, AC/DC), Punk (Ramones, Sex Pistols), Motown (because again it had it's own sound), California Surf (Beach Boys, Jan and Dean), Folk (Simon and Garfunkel, Mamas and The Papas), Pop (Billy Joel, Elton John), Brit Invasion (KINKS, the Who), Southern (Skynard, .38 Special), Blues/Orchestral (Floyd, Moody Blues) and Soft/R&B .... all depends. I went by the first list (which seemed to include all the subsets) in my choices. Some group all the subsets in under Classic Rock others choose what groups they think belong. In my opinion, if they were around for any length of time, had good selling albums, can be considered for or are in the R&R HOF and had a distinct sound then they are classic rock to me. But That's just me, and I think the KINKS are the greatest band ever so that right there tells ya how nuts I am.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
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07-28-2004, 04:54 PM
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07-28-2004, 05:55 PM
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We've got Sabbath, BÖC, Rush, Tull, Crimson. Yeah, and in all the british guys and that about sums it up.
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07-28-2004, 08:45 PM
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And that is why I included in my initial post the characteristic that rock music (and in particular the genre called "classic" rock) tends to be driven primarily by the guitar (especially the electric version), which is not a characteristic of Motowns at all. Motown was all about the voice(s), and to a lesser extent, the groove. Motown's artists were always great singers, first and foremost. And the music that they recorded (generally written by in house writers as opposed to the artists themeselves) were often little more than vehicles to show off that singing talent. Nothing wrong with that, nothing at all. There's a lot of Motown stuff that I thoroughly enjoy. I just dont think it quite qualifies as classic rock.
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07-28-2004, 08:48 PM
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07-28-2004, 11:39 PM
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Ok, to keep repeats to a bare minimum, I'll be updating the official LIST from time to time, as new suggestions warrant. I've taken the time to alphabetize it for easy reference. I've also added a number of my own suggestions, as well as removing a few that don't, IMHO, quite fit. These are included as appendices at the end of the LIST. If one of your suggestions is included there, please don't be offended, or think that I don't consider that artist's contribution to the music world valid or valuable. Just understand that I don't consider them to quite fit the criteria. The fact is that some of these few (roughly a dozen or so) are in fact good bands that I enjoy. That doesn't make them classic rock.
Remember, as initiator of this thread, I will be the final arbitor of what does or does not make the list. Thanks for your contributions. Final Note: we've got about 170 or so names here. That's pretty good, but I think if we all rack our brains enough, we can push that number over 200 (300?). So keep those suggestions coming in, please. Thanks. The LIST ----------Numeric .38 Special ----------A AC/DC Aerosmith The Alan Parsons Project Alice Cooper Alice In Chains Greg Allman The Allman Brothers The Animals Asia ----------B Bachman Turner Overdrive (BTO) Bad Company Badfinger The Band The Beatles Jeff Beck Pat Benatar The Black Crowes Black Sabbath Blondie Blood, Sweat & Tears Blue Oyster Cult Blues Image Boston David Bowie Buffalo Springfield Eric Burdon The Byrds ----------C The Cars Eric Clapton Cheap Trick Chicago The Clash Tom Cochrane Joe Cocker Phil Collins Cream Creedence Clearwater Revival (CCR) Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and Young) (CSN/Y) The Cult ----------D Roger Daltry Deep Purple Def Leppard Derek and the Domino's Rick Derringer Devo Dio Dire Straits The Doobie Brothers The Doors Dream Theater Dr. John ----------E The Eagles The Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) Emerson Lake & Palmer (ELP) Eurythmics ----------F Faces (aka The Small Faces) Fleetwood Mac Foreigner Peter Frampton Free Foghat ----------G Peter Gabriel Genesis Glen Frye Golden Earring Grand Funk Railroad The Grateful Dead The Guess Who Guns 'n' Roses ----------H Sammy Hagar George Harrison Head East Jeff Healey Heart Don Henley Jimi Hendrix The Herd The Hollies Humble Pie ----------I Billy Idol INXS Donnie Iris (& The Cruisers) Iron Maiden ----------J The James Gang Janis Joplin (& Big Brother & The Holding Company) Jefferson Airplane/ Starship Jethro Tull Joan Jett (& The Blackhearts) The J. Geils Band Billy Joel Elton John Eric Johnson Journey ----------K Kansas King Crimson The Kinks Kiss The Knack Lenny Kravitz ----------L Led Zeppelin John Lennon Gordon Lightfoot Living Color Lynrd Skynrd ----------M Manfred Mann's Earth Band The Marshal Tucker Band Paul McCartney Meatloaf Metallica The MC5 The Steve Miller Band Montrose The Moody Blues Mott the Hoople Mountain ----------N Nazareth The Nazz Stevie Nicks Ted Nugent ----------O Ozzy Osborne ----------P Jimmy Page Graham Parker (& The Rumor) Robert Plant Tom Petty (& The Heartbreakers) Pink Floyd The Police The Pretenders The Pretty Things Prince (Purple Rain album only) ----------Q Queen Queensryche ----------R Rainbow The Ramones Red Ryder REO Speedwagon Paul Rodgers The Rolling Stones David Lee Roth Todd Rundgren Rush ----------S Santana Joe Satriani The Scorpions Bob Seger (& The Silver Bullet Band) Simon and Garfunkel Patti Smith Spirit Bruce Springsteen (& The E Street Band) Billy Squier Ringo Starr (& his All Starr Band) Steely Dan Rod Stewart Sting Styx Supertramp Sweet ----------T Ten Years After Tesla Thin Lizzy Three Dog Night Toto Pete Townshend Traffic The Traveling Wilburys T. Rex The Troggs Triumph Robin Trower ----------U U2 Uriah Heep Utopia ----------V Steve Vai Van Halen Van Morrison Stevie Ray Vaughn ----------W Joe Walsh War Roger Waters Bob Welch Whitesnake The Who Wings Edgar Winter Peter Wolf ----------X XTC ----------Y The Yardbirds Yes Neil Young ----------Z Frank Zappa (& The Mothers Of Invention) ZZ Top ---------- The sort-of-but-not-quite classic rock list: America Bread The Beach Boys Bo Diddley Ry Cooder Jan and Dean The Mamas and the Papas Poco Wilson Pickett ---------- The thrown-out-entirely list (and the reason why): Berlin (too pop, not a rock band in any sense) Cactus (too obscure) Electric Flag (too obscure) Iggy Pop & The Stooges (too punk) Motorhead (too hardcore/metal) New York Dolls (too punk) Red Hot Chili Peppers (too funk)
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07-29-2004, 12:54 PM
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Good points, well argued and fact driven. You need to come to politics....lol we could use a man like you.
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07-29-2004, 01:36 PM
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this motown exclusion seems arbitrary to me.
i understand the argument, but think you underestimate both how good the rhythm sections were and how important they have turned out to be. this is even more a problem if you think about stax recordings. if you are going to apply those criteria to motown, then you probably need to delete war from your list as well. and i do not have any idea how you would defend not including curtis mayfield. and maybe there is an alternate universe in which journey, toto and edgar winter are more classic anything than james brown, but i do not know that construct and i am not sure i would want to be there. blood sweat and tears was primarily about the horn charts and david clayton thomas's voice...devo was primiarily a synth band, if i remember...did supertramp even use guitars? i remember mostly fender rhodes and whiny vocals. if the stooges are too punk, then what is the mc5 still doing on the list? on this, i am just a bit pained, personally. the stooges were among my favorites in the early 1970s--they explain singlehandedly why i thought punk was not a big deal. why is the only blues player on this whole list a white guy? there would have been no 60s "classic rock" had it not been for the systemiatic plundering of the electric blues--howling wolf, albert king, muddy waters, t-bone walker etc etc etc.... no velvet underground? but you include the knack? how is roger waters solo work classic anything at all? you stick the beach boys and bo diddley on the same almost ran list as dreck like america and bread? have you listened to any of these bands? WHERE IS CAPTAIN BEEFHEART? geez.
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07-29-2004, 01:37 PM
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and where is early-to-mid 1970s miles davis?
ok i obviously do not understand this list thing.
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07-29-2004, 04:59 PM
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"blood sweat and tears was primarily about the horn charts and david clayton thomas's voice...devo was primiarily a synth band, if i remember...did supertramp even use guitars? i remember mostly fender rhodes and whiny vocals."
what about "Bloody well right", great stuff right there  I'd incluce blood sweat and tears, some really good stuff there... April Wine atlanta rhythm section Focus 10cc the sweet blue cheer black oaks arkansas canned heat Chilliwack Creation (used the violin bow before jimmy page) country joe and the fish hot tuna Elo Dr John Grand Funk Railroad James Gang Joe Walsh Ten Years After Electric Prunes Strawberry alarm clock Chocolate watch band 13th floor elevators Triumph Johhny/Edgar Winter Pat Travers Kim Mitchell/Max Webster Lighthouse Steve Miller Band Little Feat Vanilla Fudge Moby Grape Rick Derringer Bachman Turner Overdrive Rainbow John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers Paul Butterfield Blues Band sorry if some of those are one hit wonders, or 'obscure', or repeats.... |
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07-29-2004, 05:34 PM
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rune--you're right--i forgot about the first album, for some reason. so there is a guitar in some supertramp song, and one of their better ones no less--so erase them from the question list....
the criteria for inclusion on the list laid out above was guitar driven, and apparently played for the most part by white men. it is a shame, the way this "classic rock" category was defined since the rise of formatted radio (early 1970s in its current form)---most of the music from the 1960s occurred in dialogues that crossed racial and stylistic boundaires--apparently it doesnt any more. maybe that an important reason why the form is dead.
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Forgot a few how about these?
UFO Zebra John Spencer Blues Explosion Kings X (not sure if they're old enough but still pretty good) Mark Knopfler Saga (lotta keyboards though) Starcastle (sound a lot like Yes) The Firm (I think Page[or someone who looked like him] played for these guys for a little while) Cruzados (If you like a lil bit a latin rock) The Fabulous Thunderbirds (mostly their older stuff though. Some of the 80's stuff was pretty good but he started sounding a little too much like Tom Jones) Asia Hmm little blank now but I'll think of more later. Asta!!
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07-29-2004, 10:42 PM
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roachboy, before I address your concerns point by point, I wish to make a few general comments. you are obviously passionate about music, and not just the current crop of top-40 stuff that will be forgotten in a few months time. I see that you appreciate the importance of what has gone before, as it relates to what is made today. And that's great. I wish more people had your zest for music. But I think you overlooked my comments that preceded the list. To wit:
"I've also added a number of my own suggestions, as well as removing a few that don't, IMHO, quite fit. These are included as appendices at the end of the LIST. If one of your suggestions is included there, please don't be offended, or think that I don't consider that artist's contribution to the music world valid or valuable. Just understand that I don't consider them to quite fit the criteria. The fact is that some of these few (roughly a dozen or so) are in fact good bands that I enjoy. That doesn't make them classic rock. Remember, as initiator of this thread, I will be the final arbitor of what does or does not make the list." Also, please remember that the basis for my defintion/criteria of "classic rock" is the rather generic formula that is in use by mainstream radio. If you think my list is too small, you should listen to one of ClearChannel's "classic rock" stations. I think you'd find that 30% of what is on the above list is NEVER played on these stations. Their definition is so narrow that it starts with 1967 and ends with 1985. And of course, there are other stations that consider anything older than 10 years "classic rock". I tried to give some very basic and general guidelines that would be neither too inclusive nor too exclusive. And in point of fact, if you think about it, as the list grows, it will, of neccesity include a wider range of styles. ok, on to your comments. my responses are enclosed by the {} brackets. Quote:
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07-29-2004, 10:53 PM
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keep those suggestions coming in folks. I'll be updating the list sometime over the weekend.
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sion:
thanks for the responses. i was in fact relatively calm when i wrote that (to my surprise) but this is interesting, and i want to read it over again when i have had more coffee.
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later in the day, after coffee, before i have to face the outside world...
first, let me say that when i read through my own post a snippiness came through that was not at all what i was feeling as i was writing it--for that, well, i dunno--email is funny and sometimes it slides away from how you actually talk even as you treat it as though it was talking. anyway, such snippiness as was conveyed was a function of the writing itself. (except maybe about captain beefheart). second, i did blur your list in with the classic rock format--the latter i really dislike, and i do think it a non-trivial explanation for the death of the form. btw, the guy whose brainchild format radio was is lee abrams--i think the splitting took hold in different makrets at different times--i remember it going on in boston in the early 1970s, first by the recognition that fm was a commerically viable radio band, then by the transformation of what were more free-form stations into tightly formatted ones--wbcn in particular i remember because they WOULD play captain beefheart and the byrds and country joe and the fish and "help i'm a rock" and curtis and james brown one after the other, for example. and i remember wbz fm being one of the earliest stations to use an automated playlist within a dj at more or less the same time. i dunno, however--maybe boston had the misfortune of being one of the earlier markets to test this kind of thing out. maybe it percolated gradually to other parts of the country. i have long had a pet theory that correlated fm radio and its relatively open format during the late 60s-early 70s with the frame of reference that enabled much of the cultural work of the period to happen. so from that i drew the conclusion that the seperation of genres was a political act first--and that this political act had predictable effects--kinda like gentrification has--the bourgeoisie is drawn to the interesting, but cant deal with disorder--so it rearranges things in terms of its general aesthetic and in so doing kills what drew it there in the first place. as for the specific comments above, in general fine....i tip my hat in your direction on most of them. i dont understand why you think the velvets as you do-they made great pop songs in addition to making more "out" things---and turned out to be one of the most innovative bands of the period in terms of guitar sound. as for why i equated them with the knack--i just thought it strange that one was on and the other wasnt. james brown was in his earlier phases as much a blues artist as anything else--its a mans world---and pretty much invented funk...i dunno, maybe i just dont buy the genre boundary that gets set up around him to quarantine his amazing work. curits mayfield--well, i suggest him then. particularly his solo stuff up to and including super fly. excellent stuff--and right in between the r&b/rock division. and a great guitarist. captain beefheart---there is more than trout mask. most of it is amazing stuff---it is good, i think, to keep in mind that there were other possibilities that arose during the period you are talking about. and his style is in close contact with elements of zappa's. so if one is there, the other should be as well, in my humble opinion. miles in the early 1970s--the greatest rock band in the world. from bitches brew through panagea, the greatest. particularly, in this context, for the guitarists--mclaughlin at his best--much more interesting than in the mahavishnu orchestra (which is lilke nonetheless, and would also add to your list--shakti as well)--pete cosey one of the great blues players you will ever hear. just great stuff. on the corner---live evil---panagea---maybe leave that phase of miles' work off your list but load up your itunes with the tracks anyway i cant imagine that you would regret it. and if it turns out you do, yell at me on a subsequent thread about it. i do think that steve ray vaughn is one of the most over-rated guitarists i have ever encountered...but this would require more time and i gotta go.
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What about George Thorogood & The Destroyers? I mean they're <b>bad</b> to the <b>bone</b>. Get it? <b>BAD</b> to the <b>BONE</b>? <font size=2>Bad to the bone, eh?</font> <font size=1>Bad to the...</font>
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08-01-2004, 04:26 PM
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Sion,
I gotta take issue with a fair number of the bands you list, not because they're bad (some are, some aren't but that's not what this is about), but because classic rock should end somewhere in the early 80's. '84 at the latest, with bands well established well before that allowed to push into the late 80's. No members of the Seattle Grunge Scene are classic rock, fr'instance. Therefore, I submit that the following are not Classic Rock: Alice in Chains, the Black Crowes, The Cult, Dream Theater, Guns N Roses; Iron Maiden (While to can be argued that Iron Maiden had their early success in the early 80's, I suspect they are too hard to be considered Classic rock. Probably ought to be listed with Mötorhead.) Eric Johnson, Joe Satriani & Steve Vai (I think you have succumbed to the laudable desire to claim the best for the genre, but, though Steve Vai at least spent some time with Classic rock Bands, their individual success is too recent to warrent inclusion.); Lenny Kravitz (Tough call - the style of music he plays is, IMO indistinguishable from Classic Rock, but he's too young.) Living Color (Great Band, just after the period closed.) Metallica? METALLICA? Old Metallica was too hard by far for any classic rock radio station to play. Therefore, they might belong in the Mötorhead list, but not in the main list. New Metallica is not Classic Rock, but sounds more like it than Old Metallica, but is too new. The beginning of the end, the black album, came out when I had been at college a couple of years. That's pushing the 90's for sure. So they started sounding right 5 years too late. XTC. No band that I can remember being played on the functonal equivalent of "Alternative" radio stations could possibly be Classic Rock. Or does REM belong on the list? They Might Be Giants? I might toss Gordon Lightfoot into the Sort of but not quite list, and add Rupert Holmes and Cristopher Cross to tthat list as well. Couple of other suggestions: I might stick Velvet Undergound on there if only for Sweet Jane. Boston Now, this is all just my opinion. I think you're doing a great job with this thread, and it's quite fun, but man, you keep listing these early ninties bands and you are going to make me feel old.
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08-01-2004, 05:04 PM
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I listed The Black Crowes because they are an old band.....been around since the late 80's I agree I don't think they even really broke out until a little later than that too but their style is just like that of an actual classic rock band....I mean they'll fit in with everyone else on his list ya know? Dunno bout the rest of the guys you've argued against. I think I'm the one who suggested Steve Vai...only because he had already accepted a couple a other dudes from his time.
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08-01-2004, 05:33 PM
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Im working on the updated list right now. I can tell you one thing though, REM will NEVER make my list. I HATE those guys.
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08-01-2004, 05:58 PM
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here is the revised and updated list. some new additions based on comments/arguments from participants. and a new appendix at the end.
The LIST ----------Numeric 10cc .38 Special ----------A AC/DC Aerosmith The Alan Parsons Project Alice Cooper Alice In Chains Greg Allman The Allman Brothers The Amboy Dukes The Animals April Wine Asia The Atlanta Rhythm Section ----------B Bachman Turner Overdrive (BTO) Bad Company Badfinger The Band The Beatles Jeff Beck Pat Benatar The Black Crowes Black Oak Arkansas Black Sabbath Blondie Blood, Sweat & Tears Blue Cheer Blue Oyster Cult Blues Image Boston David Bowie Jackson Browne Buffalo Springfield Eric Burdon Paul Butterfield Blues Band The Byrds ----------C Canned Heat Captain Beefheart The Cars Eric Clapton Cheap Trick Chicago The Clash Tom Cochrane Joe Cocker Phil Collins Country Joe and the Fish Cream Creedence Clearwater Revival (CCR) Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and Young) (CSN/Y) The Cult ----------D Roger Daltry Deep Purple Def Leppard Devo Dio Dire Straits The Doobie Brothers The Doors Dream Theater Dr. John ----------E The Eagles The Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) Emerson Lake & Palmer (ELP) Eurythmics ----------F The Fabulous Thunderbirds Faces (aka The Small Faces) The Firm Fleetwood Mac Focus Foghat Foreigner Peter Frampton Free ----------G Peter Gabriel Genesis Glen Frye Golden Earring Grand Funk Railroad The Grateful Dead The Guess Who Guns 'n' Roses ----------H Sammy Hagar George Harrison Head East Jeff Healey Heart Don Henley Jimi Hendrix The Herd The Hollies Hot Tuna Humble Pie ----------I Billy Idol INXS Donnie Iris (& The Cruisers) Iron Maiden ----------J The James Gang Janis Joplin (& Big Brother & The Holding Company) Jefferson Airplane/ Starship Jethro Tull Joan Jett (& The Blackhearts) The J. Geils Band Billy Joel Elton John Eric Johnson Journey Judas Preist ----------K Kansas King Crimson The Kinks Kiss The Knack Lenny Kravitz ----------L Led Zeppelin John Lennon Gordon Lightfoot Little Feat Living Color Lynrd Skynrd ----------M Manfred Mann's Earth Band The Marshal Tucker Band John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers Curtis Mayfield Paul McCartney Meatloaf Metallica The MC5 The Steve Miller Band Montrose The Moody Blues Mott the Hoople Mountain ----------N Nazareth The Nazz Stevie Nicks Ted Nugent ----------O Ozzy Osborne ----------P Jimmy Page Graham Parker (& The Rumor) Robert Plant Tom Petty (& The Heartbreakers) Pink Floyd The Police The Pretenders The Pretty Things Prince (Purple Rain album only) ----------Q Queen Queensryche Quicksilver Messenger Service ----------R Rainbow The Ramones Red Ryder REO Speedwagon Paul Rodgers The Rolling Stones David Lee Roth Todd Rundgren Rush ----------S Saga Santana Joe Satriani The Scorpions Bob Seger (& The Silver Bullet Band) Simon and Garfunkel Patti Smith John Spencer Blues Explosion Spirit Bruce Springsteen (& The E Street Band) Billy Squier Ringo Starr (& his All Starr Band) Steely Dan Rod Stewart Sting Styx Supertramp Sweet ----------T Ten Years After Tesla Thin Lizzy Pat Travers Three Dog Night George Thorogood & the Delaware Destroyers Toto Pete Townshend Traffic The Traveling Wilburys T. Rex The Troggs Triumph Robin Trower ----------U U2 UFO Uriah Heep Utopia ----------V Steve Vai Van Halen Van Morrison Stevie Ray Vaughn The Velvet Underground ----------W Joe Walsh War Roger Waters Bob Welch Whitesnake The Who Wings Edgar Winter Peter Wolf ----------X XTC ----------Y The Yardbirds Yes Neil Young ----------Z Frank Zappa (& The Mothers Of Invention) Zebra Warren Zevon ZZ Top ---------- The sort-of-but-not-quite classic rock list: America Bread The Beach Boys Bo Diddley Ry Cooder Jan and Dean The Mamas and the Papas Poco Wilson Pickett ---------- The thrown-out-entirely list (and the reason why): Berlin (too pop, not a rock band in any sense) Cactus (too obscure) Electric Flag (too obscure) Iggy Pop & The Stooges (too punk) Motorhead (too hardcore/metal) New York Dolls (too punk) Red Hot Chili Peppers (too funk) ---------- The help-me-out list: Chilliwack (who?) Creation (used the violin bow before jimmy page) Electric Prunes (make an argument) Strawberry Alarm Clock (make an argument) Chocolate Watch Band (who?) 13th Floor Elevators (who?) Kim Mitchell/Max Webster (make an argument) Lighthouse (who?) Vanilla Fudge (make an argument) Moby Grape (make an argument) Kings X (make an argument) Starcastle (who?) Cruzados (who?)
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sion: pedantic point--small faces were a mod band that humble pie eventually spun out of (somehow--i cant remember--its early) and faces were rod stewarts band. they're both good, just two different bands.
suggestion: soft machine i forgot about them entirely until a friend played them for me on the weekend. their first two albums in particular, the recordings that feature robert wyatt fully integrated into the band. they are just amazing--great musicians, great arrangements, great everything. would put their keyboard player up there with anyone on the list or elsewhere: technically and conceptually more advanced thatn emerson, for example. all that and hendrix "discovered them" toured the states with them on his first go round. from the "help me out" list: vanilla fudge was an interesting organ-driven band--they were known for a long and trippy version of a beatles song, but which one i cant remember. they were a fine thing. quicksilver messenger service--a great, underrated, underrecognized psych band. (remembered them here) 13th floor elevators: roky erikson's band! excellent sludgy psych-music, very odd---great stuff, however: this is one of the better aspects of generating a list like this--you get to find out about some stuff you did not know that will twist your head up a bit and open your musicworld at the same time. soft machine, 13th floor elevators are both like that. lighthouse: they were a one-hit band, but it was a pretty good one hit if i remember---cant recall the title and coffee is not helping--all i remember is that they featured a flute player who sucked less than ian anderson does, and that it was a long track. it might have been started "one fine morning girl i wake up[/wipte the sleep from my eyes...." and the chorus turned on flying east, flying west there is no place we cant call our own or something. hazy on it. they were from marblehead massachusetts, though, and for that alone should maybe be on the list? other suggestions: eno, for the 1970s albums (here come the warm jets, another green world, before and after science, etc.) for your list. also---for your own head, listen to king crimson albums like "larks tongues in aspic" "starless and bible black" or "red" if you havent, sir! dont let the classic rock thing stop you at 21st century schizoid man or in the court of the crimson king--thereis cool stuff out there in the later (well middle) period....
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