Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > The Academy > Tilted Life


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-27-2010, 03:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
Junkie
 
rahl's Avatar
 
Location: Ohio
Suicide

So, my uncle shot and killed himself this morning. He has been a life long manic depressive and bipolar. He was an alcoholic and a drug addict. He shot himself once before in the shoulder but survived the attempt. I physically stopped him once after than by tackling him and removing the gun from him.

Over the years we were quite close, had many good times together. I lived about 3.5 hours from him so I didn't get to see him as often as I would have liked. Recently he would call me and ask for money, or just needed someone to talk to. I slowly began resenting him for his behaviour and eventually started to not return his phone calls. I feel responsible for his death. I know I probably shouldn't, but I just can't help it. Maybe if I had taken his calls, or been a shoulder to cry on, he wouldn't have done it. Just two days ago, I was talking with my wife and I told her I was tired of him always threatening suicide and wished he would just do it. I said it in anger. I would give anything to take it back now.

I have no real point, I just really needed to say this outloud.
__________________
"Your life is Yours alone...Rise up and live it"
rahl is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 03:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Location: My head.
Not taking his calls or saying something out of frustrated anger did not cause his suicide. I can start telling you a whole host of things that you could have done to prevent this, get him help ... call the cops ... camp outside his house every night ... etc etc ...

Did that help? Don't beat yourself up. The fact that you made friends with him is good memories that you should cherish.

Sorry for your loss man.
Xerxys is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 03:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
warrior bodhisattva
 
Baraka_Guru's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: East-central Canada
It's not your fault. If you want to blame something, blame the manic/bipolar depression and the substance abuse.

I'm sorry for your loss.
__________________
Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing?
—Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön

Humankind cannot bear very much reality.
—From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot
Baraka_Guru is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 04:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
Junkie
 
rahl's Avatar
 
Location: Ohio
thank you.

I know I shouldn't blame myself, but it's really hard not to.
__________________
"Your life is Yours alone...Rise up and live it"
rahl is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 04:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
She's Actual Size
 
CinnamonGirl's Avatar
 
Location: Central Republic of Where-in-the-Hell
To quote xkcd: "It turns out, you can't take responsibility for someone else's happiness." It wasn't your fault, at all.
__________________
"...for though she was ordinary, she possessed health, wit, courage, charm, and cheerfulness. But because she was not beautiful, no one ever seemed to notice these other qualities, which is so often the way of the world."


"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
CinnamonGirl is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 04:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
More Than You Expect
 
Manic_Skafe's Avatar
 
Location: Queens
I too any sorry for your loss and would hope to think that with time you'll realize that there's only but so much you could have done for someone suffering from such an illness. Despite how much others may need you, you're a person too and it's not your fault for having reached your breaking point. Try to take some solace in the fact that he's no longer suffering and just give it time. Good luck, bro.
__________________
"Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian
Manic_Skafe is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 04:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
Tilted Cat Head
 
Cynthetiq's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Manhattan, NY
sorry to hear that man, you're only responsible for yourself and for a while minors if you've sired them.

may you heal quickly.
__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.
Cynthetiq is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 04:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
Unbelievable
 
cj2112's Avatar
 
Location: Grants Pass OR
Rahl, Memorial Weekend I found myself with my gun pointed at the base of my chin, round in the chamber, wanting to pull the trigger. NOBODY could have stopped me. My reason for being unable to pull the trigger was the fact that I could not leave that kind of legacy for my children (I truly wanted to die, it wasn't about wanting someone to notice). THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Let me say that again: This is not your fault. Your uncle was ill, no different than any other illness, this illness took his life.

I am sorry you have to go through this, it truly sucks.
cj2112 is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 06:26 PM   #9 (permalink)
Junkie
 
rahl's Avatar
 
Location: Ohio
I really appreciate everyones kind words. This is a difficult time, but you folks are making it just a little bit easier.

It's much appreciated.
__________________
"Your life is Yours alone...Rise up and live it"
rahl is offline  
Old 07-27-2010, 08:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
Minion of Joss
 
levite's Avatar
 
Location: The Windy City
Rahl, man, don't blame yourself.

It's not your fault.

Your uncle was clearly dealing with severe psychological issues, and that's not something you could or should be expected to resolve for him. Caretaking-- even just regular visits and phone calls-- is deeply draining and resource-intensive for the caretaker, and it is only natural and normal that, after a lot of neediness from the ill person, the caretaker will be tired of caring, even perhaps resentful. Outbursts, feelings of anger, irritation, are all normal and in no way undercut that you did the right thing while you could, and whatever else your uncle might have needed would have had to come from within, and perhaps from professional help and medication-- things outside your purview.

Also, suicide is a very aggressive gesture. Some people who commit suicide are not even aware of how hostile toward others the act of suicide is. Friends and relatives are left with feelings of shame, regret, insufficiency, anger that they believe they should not feel, and tremendous guilt. But you don't have to accept guilt: what your uncle did was his responsibility, which came from his own internal issues, and which ultimately he chose to do. That is an awful truth, but still a truth. Of course you should mourn your uncle, grieve, and whatever you feel, permit yourself to feel. But don't accept responsibility, because you don't deserve it.

I am so sorry that this happened to you. That is a terrible thing to go through, and I really hope you can find peace and comfort sooner rather than later.
__________________
Dull sublunary lovers love,
Whose soul is sense, cannot admit
Absence, because it doth remove
That thing which elemented it.

(From "A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning" by John Donne)
levite is offline  
 

Tags
suicide


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:25 PM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360