11-08-2007, 01:45 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Ear candles
My son has waxy ears. I've tried the over the counter cleaning kits (at the recommendation of the doctor we took him to), but they just don't seem to help that much, so I'm considering buying some ear candles. I've spoken to a few people who have used them/seen them used and they all say they work well. Has anyone here tried them? Would you use them again?
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11-08-2007, 02:29 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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I have used them. After diving a 40 ft cliff way too many times i got water on the ear which hurt like hell. After about a week of barely hearing and walking around with minimal balance, my Dr. said to give it a try. Used two candles (one in each ear), and within a day I felt significantly better. Gotta say though, the amount of nasty shit that was in my ears was not pleasant to see.
Don't cut the candles open afterward....you really don't wanna know.
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11-08-2007, 02:44 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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They work freaking great. I must have some genetic defect that makes me produce too much earwax or something. I know my father had the same problem.
Either way, they pull a tremendous amount of wax out of your ears. I do it like twice a year. BTW - I can't imagine Bossnass's comments are based on anything close to firsthand information. You just have to cut it open afterwards to see they are not useless.
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11-08-2007, 02:52 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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I swear by them....and I agree, if you look at the inside when you're done, you will know they work. I always had a problem with earwax, but never since I started using them many many many years ago.
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11-08-2007, 03:02 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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I first heard of them when my wife was completing medical school. A component of her schooling included which holistic/alternative medicines had been shown to work, which were complementary, which had been shown to not work, and which had been shown to be dangerous under modern medical scrutiny. I have personally never used them. I've also never been healed by crystals. I don't think either will hurt you. I just don't think either will help you. The end product you see did not come from your ears.
A amateur video showing that the "wax" comes from the ear candle itself. I like quackwatch. http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery.../candling.html Not a bad, but not a great wiki entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ear_candling And for more credible sources, try Pub-Med http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus I especially like a second other article at Pub-Med. "Ear candles: a triumph of ignorance over science." or Web Md http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/f...n-ear-candling Last edited by Bossnass; 11-08-2007 at 03:06 PM.. |
11-08-2007, 03:09 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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EDIT: Removed for redundency - as the answer to my question was posted while I wrote my post.
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11-08-2007, 03:21 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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yeah I've read all that
all I can say is from my own personal experience I no longer have to indure the painful procedure of having the dr remove impacted wax, it worked wonders on my migraines and for vertigo I dont care what anyone else says...Im living proof they do have some affect on people
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11-08-2007, 03:44 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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The human body is a great thing, and ~25% of the time belief is all it takes - the placebo effect is that strong. This works both ways - if you believe it will make you better it may well make you better even though there's no therapeutic reason it should. Contrariwise if you are convinced it won't help it may not help even though science says it should. What this means is that telling people its fake won't stop it working, unless they believe you. If candles make Shanni feel better, then candles work, until one of us ingrates convinces her that they're hokum...
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11-08-2007, 03:51 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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11-08-2007, 03:52 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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And by all means, I think she should continue to do what works for her.
However, I personally don't think Medusa's kid should be subject to them. I feel better about whatever her decision is if she has taken the time to read the links I provided. |
11-08-2007, 04:28 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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My doctor did an ear flush with warm water, and it was surreal but wonderful. SOOO much crap came floating out of there, and it was completely painless. No candles, nothing fancy... but most doctors should know how to do it.
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11-08-2007, 04:33 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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I really had no knowledge of ear candling prior to this thread. I heard of it, but thats about it.
Interesting take on quack watch which seems to make sense. One reader did their own experiment which I will post here... Quote:
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11-08-2007, 05:44 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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As a hearing aid wearer, I am that much more prone to ear wax. I've had everything from scraping, water syringe, vinegar/water drying mix, etc etc etc. One year I had swimmer's ear infection in the ear where I wear my hearing aid for 3 months. It was sore, bleeding, full of discharge, and incredibly painful. i took the antibioticcs prescribed by my doctor for 2 months as directed, and they did nothing to help.
I was having jaw massage prior to a Jaw surgery/wisdom teeth removal, and when I warned the massuese of my sensitivity in that area, she suggested candling as part of my visit. Modern medicine had not done anything for me for 2 months. She showed me the inner guts from the 2 candles, and you could see which included the swimmer's ear infection which was only in one ear - lots of white pollen looking bits that that were 100% missing from the other candle, and they were from the same set of materials, so exact same type of ash. That is what sold me. I no longer had swelling, discharge, or fluid in my ears after the procedure. That has been my experience.
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11-08-2007, 06:52 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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When I was eight years old my mother took me to get my ears candled.
I didn't believe that it worked and immediately wanted to do exactly what that experiment called for, which was to burn them down without it being in my ear. The lady agreed, but then when she went to the back she claimed she was now out of the ear candles. I AM VINDICATED. By the way I use those little dollar squeeze bulbs from walgreens, fill it up with hot water from the tap and squirt until crap comes out of your ears. It isn't pleasant but it works well. Bonus for making your SO throw up watching what comes out. Last edited by hrandani; 11-08-2007 at 06:56 PM.. |
11-08-2007, 06:56 PM | #18 (permalink) | |
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This is one of the reasons I'm a fan of homeopathic medicine--it's considered safe, and if it works (placebo effect or actual effectiveness), awesome.
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11-08-2007, 07:52 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
My son's ears are more waxy than the average person's, hence this thread. We've already made a visit to the doctor, which was the result of q-tips and not so gentle touch of my mother in law. One ear was so full of wax that the doctor could not see his eardrum, and the other ear only had a very thin passage open. The resulting "surgery", which was really just a flush, cost nearly $100 and I'm not paying for it again if I can prevent the problem at home. I've decided to call my doctor in the morning, ask her about candling, and see what she suggests in general. (which, like with any medical thread, is always a smart thing to do )
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11-08-2007, 08:40 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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medusa: can you not do the earflush at home? we used to do it all the time when i was a kid...i'm glad that people here have had success with sticking candles in their ears...but i'd rather go with another all-natural remedy that i can understand. flushing out your ears with hot water or hot water and ethanol...i can understand. sticking a cone of wax in my ear and setting it on fire...i can see how it might be cool in a 'dress up in black robes and make incantations to a forest spirit' kind of way...but if my parents had tried that shit on me when i was a kid, i would have done my best to bitchslap them into next week.
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11-09-2007, 12:10 AM | #21 (permalink) | |
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Dude - I think you've just invented the mulled wine earwash.
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11-09-2007, 06:51 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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Bossnass Great links. Thanks for taking the time to do that. This is an interesting lesson for me. I can only conclude after reading all the evidence that I have only felt better due to the placebo effect. Thanks for changing my mind - not to mention making me feel a little silly.
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11-09-2007, 07:07 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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The "no ear wax in the candle wax" has been sufficently documented, so I'll move on to ear wax removal. Here's a fun one:
A novel method for the removal of ear cerumen, David A. Keegan* and Susan L. Bannister We describe the off-label use of a recreational device (the Super Soaker Max-D 5000) in the alleviation of a socially emergent ear condition. click to show A novel method for the removal of ear cerumen -- Keegan and Bannister 173 (12): 1496 -- Canadian Medical Association Journal
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11-09-2007, 07:10 AM | #24 (permalink) | |
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Personally I think it would be a fun home experiment to do, its not often you can really test the voodoo thats being sold as medicine in such a straight forward manner.
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11-12-2007, 09:53 AM | #25 (permalink) | |
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I am very capable of being wrong. If I were not, I would be just as bad as those who cause me the most frustration in my walk in life. A model for me being wrong usually follows the same patten. There is nothing wrong with my logic, only a problem with my premises. With the ear candle thing, I saw what I thought was ear wax in the spent casing and therefore thought there was no further investigation needed. My logic was fine - just that there was a problem with my premises. This is not to be confused (although it often is) with another defining character trait of mine: an almost complete lack of compromise. Because someone "feels" a certain way does not make it true. Most compromise appears to me to be something like the following: I don't really care what that person thinks, but I can't seem to find it in me to "agree to disagree" or to let some fallacy be accepted by my silent "approval". This does not lead to an easy path in life to say the least.
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11-12-2007, 02:22 PM | #26 (permalink) | |
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It's a hell of a trap, though... because every person you encounter whose position/opinion you can't change, and this will be the vast majority of people (as I'm sure you know), you will just get angry and frustrated. The more it happens, the more angry you become in general and the faster you get angry each time it happens. I was that way for quite a long time. Not so much anymore. Learn to walk away, and save yourself a lot of headache. |
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11-12-2007, 09:17 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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Let me just put in my support for the rational/skeptical side, along with Bossnass. My take on this, and pretty much other 'alternative' medicine treatments is this: There are hundreds, if not thousands of these alternative treatments. If they're safe and effective, they can be tested, and verified as such. Until they are, it's a waste of your time and money to follow them, and possibly dangerous as well.
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11-12-2007, 09:56 PM | #30 (permalink) | |
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- think that belief is evidence and - keep silent when there are others who may be listening wondering if they are the last sane people on the planet. I'll take your advice on the don't get angry thing and have been working on that a lot to some degree of success. I can also walk away without getting stuck in the "tar" (ibid abaya). But I just won't give my silent approval.
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11-12-2007, 10:46 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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i have been a user, believer, then non-believer of ear candling.
my first experience was in mexico 3 yrs ago after too much scuba diving to depths of almost 100 ft. i was deaf in one ear for a few days (and starting to enjoy being able to ignore my S.O. when she was on one side of me), but thought that it might cause problems with hearing the baby. (awesome super soaker link, redlemon). the lady in la farmacia told me to try candles. i did, and my hearing was instantly restored. that seems like a heck of a coincidence. how do they naysayers explain this? was it psychosomatic? about one year later, when ear pain returned (but not the accompanying deafness) i tried them again to no avail. (i was then still a believer) but was amazed at the amount of "gunk" in the used/burnt candle. so i conducted the above mentioned experiment. one candle in the ear, one candle out. the "in ear" candle was a different person with ear pain so there was no possibility that my ear was cleaned out from the initial candling. both the in and out candles looked identical after burning. i was no longer a believer. BUT i am in love with the warm water pressure wash at the doctor's office. in july, severe ear pain returned to me, i went to doctor to be told that i had the familiar impacted ear wax. after a very long wash with the spray bottle (it felt really good!) the nurse gasped and i heard a clunk in the pan below my ear. she had removed a garbanzo bean sized lump of ear wax and said that it was easily the largest thing to come out of an ear she'd seen in her 20+ yrs of service. sweet! the other ear, same story, only she broke up the "bean" so we couldn't really tell it's full size. we could only surmise that too much swimming had caused the problems. isopropyl alcohol (not ethanol as far as i know) does help to dry the ear out if necessary. i do not use q-tips, as i have been advised against them by my doctors, who said they only push heavy wax down in. i produce an excessive amount of ear wax. it normally just falls out. seriously. i feel it rolling out when it does. invest in an otoscope, spray/squeeze bottle, and a little ear bedpan type thingy to catch the water and wax. and learn to do the washing out at home. then i'll pay you to do mine next time i need it.
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11-13-2007, 05:48 AM | #32 (permalink) |
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I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned the 'drop of peroxide' treatment for persistent earwax and that Medusa's doctor didn't suggest it. Just soak the tip of a QTip in some hyrdrogen peroxide, squeeze gently into the ear canal. It will sound like sizzling-this is the peroxide breaking up the wax. After a minute, tilt the head sideways so the peroxide runs out. Do it every other day.
As someone who suffered an entire childhood with ear infections, resulting in scarred eardrums, I shudder when I read of people putting things into their ears to clean'em. One small error and an eardrum could get pierced or at the very least, the pressure could cause immense pain. Peroxide avoids both if it's not poured in. |
12-01-2007, 03:19 PM | #34 (permalink) | |
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Setting aside the fact that it doesn't do anything, I have issues with any procedure involving shoving a tube into the orifice responsible for my most delicate sense and lighting it on fire.
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12-01-2007, 06:44 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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Just a couple of notes here: one, never ever ever put cold water into your ear, or you'll end up with nasty pass-out worthy vertigo. Two, USTWO! Shame on you! Didn't they tell you in school - nothing smaller than your finger should be shoved in your ear? No Q-Tips! You can cause a worse wax impaction that way, plus all kinds of other things.
As for Medusa's son, you can try to use a curette at home, but it's often painful if he's got any kind of serious buildup. But basically, you'd get the doctor to show you how and you'd scrape out the excess wax. If you're worried about this leading to increased ear infections, you can dropper a solution of half alcohol and half vinegar into his ear. Other ideas to ask the doctor about: • Cerumenex • Carbamide Peroxide (Debrox) • Mineral Oil • Docusate sodium • Curretage • Irrigation • Peroxide/Water combo (50:50) * Be sure solutions are BODY temp before applying or else severe vertigo/puking may occur! These are all ideas to solve cerumen impaction. From my fundamentals of ENT treatment course, so I'd say they're pretty reliable ideas.
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12-07-2007, 07:00 AM | #36 (permalink) |
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Cecil Adams, self-described know-it-all, has written a column about ear-candling: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_098.html.
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12-07-2007, 08:56 AM | #37 (permalink) | |
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Hot shower + 2 Q tips = squeaky clean for me.
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