Jason762

So I'm getting anxious and wanting to explore and I'm thinking about getting out of California.

Basically I can be pretty much guaranteed a job in any of these states:

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What would you pick?

I like the idea of working in Hawaii but I don't know about the costs of living and stuff like that. Besides, the calling of life as a beach bum would be too tempting

So what would you pick, and why?

snowy

Washington. Or Oregon.

1) I love the West coast laid-back attitude.
2) The PacNW is one of those last surviving outposts of the polite and friendly.
3) The PacNW is the most beautiful area of the country, in my opinion, and I've seen most of the United States.
4) Cost of living has yet to skyrocket here. Housing in most areas is still affordable.
5) Washington is better than Oregon simply because education has not gone down the tubes there. WA schools are relatively well-funded and suffering fewer cuts.
6) Washington has the most restrictive public smoking laws in the nation, which you're probably used to by now in California--and moving somewhere else where people smoke would be a shock. Oregon's laws are patchy--a lot of municipalities and counties have passed smoking bans, but Oregon's workplace smoking law does not cover bars and taverns.
7) People recycle here.
8) If you like the outdoors, there's no better place to go--where I live, the mountains are an hour one way and the beach is an hour the other. Washington is dominated by the beautiful Puget Sound.

Downsides:
1) Seattle traffic is horrible, so look at somewhere like Olympia or Bellingham if you want to live on the Sound.
2) It rains.

If you're interested in the Pacific Northwest, remember it's a diverse place--from the Rogue River Valley in the south of Oregon to the Inland Empire around Spokane, WA, there are all kinds of climates, attitudes, and people.

I wouldn't live anywhere else.

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Ch'i

Well, many parts of Hawaii can be as expensive as the Bay Area in California. My brother-in-law is a manager of one of the Starbucks in Lanai, and his rent, with a small appartment is a little more expensive than it is here in San Jose. It's still gorgeous there thought.

I, personally, would try Anchorage; I'm a sucker for cold weather.

Oregon is awesome too. I spent two weeks up there on vacation and it was great; I've seldom breathed air that clean. They don't let you pump your own gas there though, caught me off guard.

Lady Sage

Alaska.

There are only two states I want to visit before I die. Maine and Alaska. Think of it.... a cabin in the woods a roaring fire place.... waking up to nature..... relatively low cost of living.... and Alaska... every year you stay there the government PAYS you!!!!

raeanna74

To be honest - Right here in Wisconsin.

I haven't lived outside of Wisconsin since I was 4. Most of the time it's been in Northcentral Wisconsin.

It doesn't have much of a nightlife - in the city sense of the word. But on the warm summer nights... when I walk down to the corner of my street, I can watch deer just across the road grazing in the field, some nights I can look out my patio window and watch the northern lights, The city lights (what city lights) don't fade out the stars, the back yard is CRAWLING with froggies that the kids love to catch and then let go before they come in for a thorough bath. The grasshoppers, cicadas, peepers making their night time music. The bats wizzing overhead, the owls or hawks hunting at night.
Then during the daytime - the bald eagles floating over the river nearby. I saw a fawn last spring at the edge of my back yard. I saw two fawns only 3 weeks ago on my way home when I was only about 6 blocks away. There was a Moose downtown years ago. A baby bear cub stuck in a tree on the courthouse lawn.

It's a place you can get close to nature without getting eaten by the mosquitos all the time. What better place to live.

Sure it's cold in the winter time - Aren't snowdays GREAT?

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I'd head to Arizona, for the lack of humidity and the versatility. Growing up in the South, the humidity is a killer. Or maybe to the north, where it snows, and it really gets cold. I'd say no to Hawaii. You'd sink with the COL. I'd also say no to the Midwest, since I've lived there and I really hated living there. Alaska would be a fun choice and a true adventure. Also, the opportunity for experiencing the "great outdoors" can't be beat.

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Jason762

Man! You guys sounds JUST like me!

The outdoorsy cold-weather-loving type. It's cool, but freaky at the same time.

Especially Lady Sage. I almost went to the University of Maine at Agusta. Unfourtenly, my mom convinced me that I wouldn't be able to make it out there. Damn, for once in life, I wish I had done my usual and ignored her.

blktour

wow, I am in Anchorage, and it IS GREAT! i was born and raised here and i love the place. I have been to Jersey, and Georgia, and i didnt like it that much. too much fast life stuff. like people trying to keep up with the Jones' and what have you.
I am surprised how many people said Alaska!
See I knew that i liked this place!
Yes AK is great, the winters are a little long but its great, you get use to it, and its not as snowy as CO or other places. Also the summers are great. perfect to me that is. about 80's and mostly 70's. The people here in Anchorage are nice, and down to earth! I love it!

Zar

Although I've never had the opportunity to visit there, I'd say the Pacific Northwest for all the reasons onesnowyowl mentioned.

I'm from Missouri, and have lived here all my life, mostly in exurbia. Personally, I prefer cold weather to hot, and I abhor humidity above all else, and so the climate here isn't too appealing. Also, I find the major cities here (St. Louis and Kansas City) to be rather generic in most regards. I now actually live in a small college town in rural Missouri, and I find that I prefer that to St. Louis. It's refreshing to be able to walk to most of the places you need to go to, rather than driving for 30 minutes. It's also nice that all the bars here are within 3 blocks of my apartment .

I've also visited Florida, Colorado, California, much of the east coast, and Wisconsin. I'd probably pick Wisconsin over Missouri, but the others seemed to have too many of their own negatives attached to really make a move worthwhile.

I've read a lot about the Pacific NW, and from what I've determined, it's ideal for me. I'm looking into a trip there on my next Spring Break, and, assuming I like what I see, I hope to land a job up there sometime.

Jason762

Well with all the votes going for the northwestern states, I'm going to seriously look at Washington.

So here's the cities that have CostCos. I'm looking at North Spokane at the moment.

Washington
Aurora Village
Bellingham
Burlington
Clarkston
East Wenatchee
Everett
Federal Way
Fife Business Center
Issaquah
Kennewick
Kirkland
Kirkland (Costco Home)
Lacey
Lynnwood Business Center
North Spokane
Puyallup
Seattle
Sequim
Silverdale
Spokane
Tacoma
Tukwila
Tumwater
Union Gap
Vancouver
Woodinville

Is there a difference between North Spokane and just Spokane? Apartment reviews.com doesn't have a city under North Spokane.

Zeraph

Heh, I read that as your dream state, like in a dream state of mind.

Arizona, Alaska, Colorado, or Washington I'd say. Only one I havn't visited is Alaska, but it just sounds interesting. I don't like the weather here in Az, but otherwise I like it (winters are nice though) but then you could live in Northern Az where the weather is nicer (I'm near phoenix).

Jason762

Yeah I know. I wanted it to mean two different things to attract more people.

I's smart isn't I?

Impetuous1

I live in AZ and I do like a lot of it. I'm in the Phoenix area. Although the summers are hell here, as the old addage says, "It's a dry heat". I've lived in Chicago and I hated the winters there. Especially with the evil wind chill. Brrr. At least here there's nothing to shovel up. Also there's several places you can drive to from Phoenix such as Las Vegas and also you can go skiing up near Flagstaff. Also, the job market here is incredible. There are so many different kinds of jobs available.

However, I did visit Seattle and Portland, Oregon a couple of years ago. I absolutely fell in love with Portland. Sure it rained the whole time I was there but everything was so green and alive. They have several large open gardens and woods. There was no sales tax. Public transportation was good. The people were friendly and the air was so clean. The air here in Phoenix isn't that great. There's almost always dust in the air. So now, my dream place is Portland. Though the proximity to Mt St Helen's worries me since they did get a lot of ash from the last eruption in the 80's. Right now I'm actually debating whether I should buy a house here or pick up and move to Portland. The only problem is finding a new job that would pay as well as the one I'm currently at. Oh well, maybe in a few years...

Zeraph

I always hear people say the job market is so good here, but never having lived in another place for long enough to matter, I don't know the difference. What do you do if you don't mind me asking? And what other job areas are so nice, or pay more here?

SSJTWIZTA

The state of euphoria, that i am in soo much already.

i kid, i kid. floridas nice buy i would like to give the north a try..perhaps new hampshire or boston.

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Personally, even with the hurricanes and all, I love living in Florida. Cost of living varies depending on where you live. Panhandle areas are cheaper, and they get more expensive the further south you go. I just enjoy the general weather, and winter in my area lasts like 6 weeks! Personally I prefer the warm water and weather. Maybe because I like to scuba dive too much!

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dd3953

i think it would be Seattle. it rains almost every morning and the temp stays between 35-80 degrees F. i like that. not too hot, not too cold & i heart rain

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Jason762

Hmm, anyone got good links on Washington's cities? I'm shorta lookin at Tacoma and Seattle, but I don't want to miss out on another city that may be better.

Who here lives in Maine? I almost went to college there but I didn't. I still dream about it though.

Crack

Prescott, Scottsdale Arizona. It's nice.

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snowy

Tacoma is a bit, erm...ghetto. Because of the large military presence on the edge of town, the income level tends to be lower. However, there are some very nice parts of Tacoma, like University Place.

Seattle is nice and interesting, but expensive.

Traffic is horrible in both places. Tacoma is especially bad at the moment as they are currently lifting the bridge deck for the new Narrows Bridge into place, so people stop to gawk, car and all, on the existing bridge.

If you're interested in moving to the Puget Sound, I would suggest looking at either Olympia (south sound) or Bellingham (north sound). Both are college towns with vibrant downtowns and lots of stuff to do. Olympia has a very active farmer's market and fantastic restaurants (as well as lots of hippies due to Evergreen State College). Bellingham, by contrast, is both a college town (Western Washington University, my dad's alma mater) and a former mill town, so it has an interesting variety of people. Bellingham is also about an hour from Vancouver, B.C. Vancouver is awesome--definitely one of my favorite places to visit. Bellingham is also very close to the San Juans and skiing/snowboarding at Mt. Baker.

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ratbastid

And it smells. Don't forget that.

Seriously: consider North Carolina. There are plenty of CostCos here, and it's a cheap, beautiful place to live, where both the people and the weather are warm and friendly.

Sage

^ I'll second that!

Some areas are cheaper than others... personally I like the mountains better than any other part of the state but then again I'm biased

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snowy

Actually, it smells a lot less than it used to. Downtown Tacoma is very up and coming, with lots of museums, restaurants, and good public transportation. The Port of Tacoma is on pace to become the largest port north of Los Angeles within the next 10 years. It's already the largest port in the Pacific Northwest.

And while extensive parts of it are still seedy, there are some very nice places too. Even the Hilltop neighborhood has cleaned up considerably in the last 5 or so years, which is saying something.

It's also worth looking at the West Sound--Gig Harbor, Port Orchard, Bremerton/Silverdale, and Poulsbo. That is also an area worth looking at, with relatively low housing costs, good economy (thanks to the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Bremerton) and an easy ferry connection to Seattle (a 1-hr ride, but at least you're not in traffic). There, you're very close to the Olympics and the Washington coast, as well as being right on the Sound. My parents live on the Kitsap Peninsula, near the Hood Canal. It's really beautiful, and not quite as built up as other places yet. Once they finish the new bridge to Tacoma, the trip there will also be much easier.

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essendoubleop

I live in Bellingham, and I do have to say, is probably the best place in the world to live when you think about it. It has EVERYTHING. There's a college, a retirement community, it's close to the border, there's farmland, there's forests and parks, the ocean, lakes, rivers, mountains, beaches. Some parts are pretty urban, a lot of suburban areas, really green everywhere. Prices are fairly low. It's probably the perfect blend that you won't find anywhere else.

Jason762

Hmm. Bellingham and the surrounding areas vs. Olympia and the surrounding area, what would your choice?

Assume you LOVE fishing (of all kinds), camping, backpacking, shooting (competitively - Imagine biathalon without the skiing), weightlifting, martial arts, and could get into/are interested in snowboarding, hunting, and sportsbike riding.

I don't know what the CostCo in Washington pays, but here it's $ 10 to start.

Ummm... I don't know what other information would be important in determining cities/regions/locale but if you want to know, then by all means, ask.

Sage

Asheville. Hands down.

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Ch'i

You should go to the Bakersfield one first, then transfer to you dream spot. It will give you a whole new perspective on life.

snowy

Definitely Bellingham. There is excellent salmon fishing in and around the San Juans as well as good lake fishing in the area. Camping/backpacking--well, you're a stone's throw away from the North Cascades and all it has to offer, as well as the San Juans. Mt. Baker has some of the best snowboarding in the Pacific Northwest, from what I hear, and hunting is very common in the area as well. Like I said, it's a sizeable city about an hour and a half from Seattle (drive your car, or take the train), or an hour from Vancouver, Canada (could be less if there's no border traffic, and again, there's a train too) with plenty to do in and of itself, because it developed on its own, versus as a suburb, and it's a college town too.

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Jason762

Sage, is there one in Washington? I could only find references to an Ashville in NC.

Ch’i, what Bakersfield? The one in California? Why?

Onesnowyowl, sweet thanks. I’ll start doing some research on apartments and such. Can you give me more information on general living in the area? Gyms, martial arts, people, culture, restaurants (damn that’s an odd word!), you know stuff like that.

What is the diversity like over there? I’ll be honest and say I don’t much care for my own ethnicity. I’m still attracted to my ethnicity, but I’d choose another race over “my own”. I dunno, some weird quirk with me.

snowy

Unfortunately, my favorite restaurant in Bellingham closed down a few months ago. It made me very sad when I found out. Fairhaven Pizza was awesome.

My cousin goes to Western Washington University, so I'll ask her about specifics.

As for diversity, well, it's a college town, so it's more diverse than most places in Washington. There is a significant Native American population in the area as well as more than a few Asians. But like the rest of the state, it's pretty white though that is changing.

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Jason762

Ha ha.

Was talking to some co-workers about moving out and when they heard Washington they bugged out saying it's so boring, nothing to do, etc.

Ha ha. One guy said he even visited Washington just to visit. He doesn't reccomend it...

snowy

There are the same things to do as in any other place--movies, shopping, public parks, theatre and other performing arts, rock concerts, etc. But then there's the outdoors--sailing, fishing, hiking, boating, camping, backpacking, skiing, snowboarding, hunting, etc.

Not to mention it's beautiful:

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Ample

I love Bellingham, I used to go there once a month when I was stationed in Oak Harbor. I grew up in Vancouver, WA though. Being right over the bridge from Oregon I got to experience all of what Portland had to offer, but get to go home to better housing, better roads, and better schools. Down in Vancouver it rains a lot less than it does up in the norther area of the state too.

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snowy

The problem with Vancouver, Washington is that it doesn't have the urban growth controls that the Portland area does, and so it has become a place of constant construction and sprawl. Clark County, WA is growing incredibly fast, and acres of farmland and greenspace are being eaten up in the process. Furthermore, the people of Clark County have twice refused to have the MAX expanded across the river, and so the only public transportation connection between the two sides is bus, which gets stuck (just like I do) in the traffic across the I-5 and 205 bridges.

Once they get the construction done on that giant section of I-5 that they have torn up (and have had torn up for 5 years now), Vancouver will be a lot better.

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Jason762

Beautiful place.

After thinking about it for a while, it has occured to me that these guys are not the same type of guy I am.

They prefer the more indoor stuff, while I like being outdoors.

So while it's true they don't like Washington, I might LOVE it.

snowy

Yes, and I think you will. But a word of warning...if someone calls you a Californicator, don't get offended, it's a joke. It wasn't a joke 10 years ago or so, but now there are so many former Californians in the PacNW we've just about given up. Despite being disgruntled about the Californians taking over, the welcome wagon will still come out. People in Washington, unlike other parts of the country, are still polite.

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Jason762

Ha ha a Californicator, eh?

Because I'm hearing imparied I have a rather wierd accent so people think I come from Russia.

Needless to say they won't figure out my state of orgin from my accent alone.

If I take a trip up there, would anyone be willing to show a fellow TFPer around?

snowy

I'm in Oregon, unfortunately, but there are lots of TFP Washingtonians...they just tend to stay hidden I also don't get out or get home much as I am but a poor student.

But ask around, and maybe someone will pop out of the woodwork.

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Grasshopper Green

No one has said Utah yet???

Hm. I don't blame anyone.


Kidding aside...another for NC here. I've never been to PacNW...but it sounds beautiful too.

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Painted

North Spokane is more of an area than an actual town. A lot of it is just farms and ranches, slowly encroached by housing developments and shopping centers. It really isn't that far from Spokane, and it doesn't get a lot of traffic problems that plauge the western part of the state.

Spokane itself is a very old looking town, there aren't a lot of new buildings/stuff, and it is pretty conservative. It's also a lot poorer than Seattle/Portland. Not...ghetto poor, but almost in a white trash kind of way. Oh yeah, it's 98% white.

That being said, you can look in the local newspaper for cool old apartments downtown, and not expensive at all, probably could find a 1br1bath for $500-700, while in a newer apartment complex on the skirts of town it'll run $400-600.

There's the everyday city stuff (malls, theaters, downtown, bars, etc..) but a lot of it lacks the newness and trendiness of Seattle/Portland.

It has tons of mountains, forests, rivers, lakes, & skiing. I grew up nearby in North Idaho/NW Montana. Beatiful mountains. Gorgeous trees, a mix of pines, cedars, firs, and deciduous. Millions of acres of hunting property. Definately very rural and sparsley populated, something that you don't really get in the Cascades.

Temperatures are more extreme than by the Sound, with warmer summers (90's often) and colder winters (negative temperatures, snow) however it usually suffers from the same endless rain in spring/fall.

Be forewarned: Due its northerly location it has really short days in December and really long ones in June, the same goes for West WA. We're talking 6 hour days in Dec., 16 in June. Well.. thats exaggurating a bit, but it feels like that!

It depends on what you're looking for. Western Washington is more urban, has a lot of high-paying jobs, is more expensive, and is far more crowded. Spokane is less expensive, also urban (but not world-class urban), mildly conservative, and definatley less crowded. Both are pretty cool places. Visit.