Super Model

Dear TFP,

I need help finding out what are the side effects, and most importantly what are the chemical componets of the Inter Bangkok Clinic (IBS) Thailand Diet pills. They have a variety of products, ranging from 1 week programs to 6 months ones, and all include a whole bunch of pills that one has to take in the morning, afternoon and at bedtime. None of the pills are marked or carry a number, so it is impossible to trace them in the directory. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Sage

Repeat after me: eat less exercise more

That's the only way you're going to lose weight safely and effectively.

Diet pills, if I do recall correctly, aren't regulated by the FDA or if they are they're loosely regulated. I can't remember. The point being, there could be ANYTHING in those pills. There is no "magic suppliment" you can take that will make you lose weight without making an effort. There's no "fat-away" cream you can rub on that will make your fat disappear. There's no "Wash the fat down the drain" soap. It's all marketing and hype, directed at people like you, who are looking to lose weight and not have to work at it.

Having a hot body takes work. If you really want to become a supermodel like your moniker says, love yourself enough to get into shape and eat healty- your body will appreciate it far more than a handful of questionable pills every morning. Or you could do it like Kate Moss does and snort cocaine, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Getting into shape isn't as hard as people think. It just involves toning down the Big Mac Meals, moving around more, and taking the time to learn about nutirtion. I'm always suprised at what people don't know about losing weight. They think they can "starve" themselves and lose weight effectively, but they don't know the metabolic chain reactions that causes.

I recommend the books Fitness for Dummies and Nutrition for Dummies- they are written by people who know what they're talking about and are super easy to follow and understand. Trust me, your body will thank you in thirty years!

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Jinn

You made a big assumption that "Super Model"s motivation for wanting to know the ingredients was because she believed pills were the cure. It's entirely possible (and I, myself, am curious) that she just wanted to know what was in them.

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The_Jazz

Pills like this are loosely regulated, and a lot of them have some ephedra or psuedoephedra in them. Given that there's some data showing potential heart problems that develop from longterm use, I would stay away.

It should also be a big, red warning sign with bells and whistles that they aren't telling you (the consumer) what the active ingredients are. There could easily be things that you are allergic to. There's also the issue that the name of the company implies foreign manufacturing which means that even the folks selling them to you have no good way of knowing what is or isn't in them. It has "scam" written all over it, althought I obviously don't have the full story.

There are a bunch of reputable weight loss supplements out there that are affordable and work. You need to use them as directed and make sure that you stay off them when you are supposed to. This one just seems to hokey to be worth messing with.

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Super Model

I totaly agree. I am trying to dig up as much info as possible, becuase:
1. There is absolutely no clinical trials
2. Manufactured in Thailand, as they clame with 17 years of experience.
3. Even though they are mostly herbal, but one component isn't - which is Aspartame. It is know to have pretty bad side effects.

But what i am curious about if someone did use or researched on them.

Thank you for your replies and suggestions, and I would appreciate to have them coming

The_Jazz

Over the counter medication has no clinical studies as a rule, with the notable exception being name brand drugs (ibuprofin, etc.). For instance, there have only been 2 large-scale cough syrup studies in the past 35 years.

Drugs manufactured in Thailand could be perfectly safe and perform exactly as expected. However, given the lack of ingredients listed, it's a crap shoot. I can tell you that the going rate for product liability insurance on weightloss drugs manufactured abroad is something around $35 per $1,000 in sales. That's very, very high, which means that the insurance industry distrusts these products quite a bit.

Aspartame is a perfectly legal sugar substitute that doesn't have "pretty bad side effects" that have ever been documented. There is no study showing any pattern of side effects. If you drink Diet Coke, you should know that.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

I also looked at the manufacturer's website and noticed a few things:

Don't exercise while taking weight loss pills? That's counterintuitive.

Under "side effects":

It's a stimulant of some sort. Be very, very careful.

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Redlemon

Well, all I know is it gives me a wicked headache.

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maleficent

Recent studies I've seen say that asparatame has been known to stimulate the appetite...

kinda silly that tehy'd put that in a diet pill...

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Super Model

Thats the thing, it is all couter-productive. Wierd. On one side it supposed to stop the appetite, but at the same time stimulates it. "Eat regularly and keep away from sweets, fat, alcohol (well, ok at least that was noticed), sparkling water". I don't get it.

level five

exactly. why bother wondering if you don't plan to use the stuff.

gee, let's see - eat regularly, no sweat or drinking or fat - sounds like they could be sugar pills and you'd lose weight from eating right!

As was said earlier by sage - eating right and excercise is the way.

Ch'i

In the cases of most diet pills they will not be effective unless coupled with diet and excercise. So why not cut out the seemingly unnecessary, vague, possibly health detrimental part of the equation?

In my opinion, diet pills are not worth the risk.

The_Jazz

You're supposed to use their other products in conjunction with the weight loss ones. It says in once place that alcohol is fine but in another that it's not. That's bad.

And since when is Thailand known for weight loss clinics or even as a major contributor to Western or Eastern medicine? Not that there aren't brilliant Thai doctors, but some of the claims on the website are just ludacris. Hopefully, you're already looking for a more reputable product.

Redlemon, if you follow the FDA link on the Snopes story, you'll see that some people don't process one of the amino acids in aspratame. That could be the cause of your headaches, not that it will help them go away.

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thingstodo

Most Thai people I've seen have been pretty skinny. Perhaps the real Thai diet is to just live over there for a few years!!

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Kaie_n_tx

In November 2010 I was 257lbs. (extremely skeptical of pills & diet scam salespeople) however after paying $1600 for a personal trainer and a severe diet change I only lost a discouraging 11lbs in 3 1/2 months. I purchased some very effective diet pills and by New Years day i was 213lbs after stretching a 1mth supply over a 2mth period. As of today's date i am 208lbs and i've never felt better. Not one jitter, or crazy heart palpatations. And "NO" the pills didnt make me starve myself. I ate 7 to 8 times a day, till as late as i desired however the pills do make u feel full once u've eaten a valid portion of ur meal, but an hr or so later ur hungry & u can eat the rest of it and feel full for a few more hrs before ur next small meal.

I've never felt better and i look amazing with all of my curves in the right place. I agree exercise is very important but there's differnt strokes for different folk. What i've found to be fun and easy to commit to as a form of exercise is pole dancing and pole fitness/conditioning.

find what works for u... & share it with some1 it could benefit!

Be encouraged all of u!

Kaie (pronounced Kay)

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So idk... about all diet pills from Thailand but the ones i've taken are awesome and i'd swear bye them! You wont regret it! I've only got another 35lbs more to go and i'm sure within the next month and 1/2 i'll be there.

dont knock it if u havent tried it! Btw i havent used them since dec 21st 2010 and i havent gained a lb... in fact i've continued to lose weight and i still eat the same (small portions 7 to 8 times a day).

Iliftrocks

I get the same thing, plus muscle aches when I use aspartame or sucralose. My daughter doesn't seem to be phased by it, nor my other family.

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locky61

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I agree with you " whatever works for you" Could you please tell me the name of the diet pills you are talking about , I am going to thailand in a couple of days and would like to try them.

chinese crested

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Please check in a herbal or with a herbalist when you are messing with unknown herbs. They can cause damage or even death - its not the case thats all thats green and comes from nature is good for you.
I used to have Tenuate Dospan - no longer prescribed here as there is risk to the heart - cand help think, so is being overweight, so maybe it should be a choice of what size box you want to be buried in.