MooseMan3000

Well, you see... they're not. The examples you used (in case you forgot, they were "nude patches and over-boobed fem characters") don't really mean a thing. Let's take them one at a time.

1) Nude patches. NOT RELEASED BY THE COMPANIES THAT MAKE THE GAMES. How many times do we have to go over this? Nude patches are always - ALWAYS - user modifications that are NOT sanctioned by the makers of the game. That has NOTHING to do with game development, it's the people who BUY the game who are doing it.

2) "over-boobed fem characters." Well, if we take a look at example one, we'll notice that just about every PC game with females in it (they don't even have to be attractive - just look at The Sims) at one point or another (often within a week of the release date) has a nude patch released for it. And those nude patches are snatched up like wildfire by - you guessed it - horny little boys. Those horny little boys make up a large part of the market share.

Then there's the majority of the market that doesn't in fact use the nude patches. Well, even if they're not desperate to see naked pixels, the simple fact is... men like looking at attractive women. Get used to it. Women like looking at attractive men. Get used to it. Men like looking at attractive men. Women like looking at attractive women. The word attractive means that we enjoy it.
You may not like the fact that most men like looking at fake girls with large, jiggly breasts bouncing all over the place while they're kicking each other's asses clad in little more than thongs, but guess what? We do like it.

We live in a capitolist society. By definition, if companies make games that people don't like, they fail. They HAVE to tailor to the audience. Nobody wants to play "Extreme Teenaged Flat-Chested Pizza Face Adventures VII." They want Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Boob Bouncing.



One final note... how on earth did this discussion end up here? I still think it's an overly sensitive society's fault. But since you can't blame a society, it's obviously the parents' fault. That is all.

astrahl

I'm not complaining about attractive women - did you READ my post? I am complaining about an environment being created of women as sex receptacles. Fem characters can't just play the game, we have to jiggle and be scantily clad. How does it make any sense to have a nightie as ARMOR?? Male warrior characters get kick ass armor and fem warrior get bikinis.

You want equity, good, so do, I. Make gorgeous, lightly dressed male characters with their packages bulging and ripped muscles. Oh wait - computer geek guys would feel uncomfortable with that standard...

I think it is hard for you to understand my and MANY other womens' complaint because you don't have to deal with the harrassment online and offline. You don't get solicited for back alley cyber sex online every fucking day...you don't think anything of it when there is a group of male characters around your female character screaming RAPE HER.

The atmosphere that is being created online is partly due to the irresponsibility of game designers who see fit to treat the women in their games as erection fodder.

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Tophat665

I'm with you 75%. If there weren't morons who completely ignored what their kids brought home, then Hillary wouldn't have a leg to stand on. As it is, she can eat dick this she hiccoughs. (What an awesome turn of phrase.)

So Hillary is perhaps 10% responsible. The reamining 15% of responsibility belongs to the kind of jackasses who think sex is dirty - Falwell, Shrub, Santorum - who create a situation where this could even be an issue.

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MooseMan3000

Actually, just about every fighting game EVER MADE has that. As do most RPGs. Last I checked, there aren't many FPS where the main character is a sweaty, greasy 15 year old who wheezes when he walks. In much the same way that there are very few girls without gargantuan breasts, there are very few (read: no) fat, hairy, ugly guys. They're all rippling, well-endowed hunks of man meat. Yes, it's an unfair standard. But people like it.

And this has never once happened to me. I've never even seen the word "rape" used in any game outside of a twelve year old telling ME (no, not the female playing next to me at the LAN) that he was going to "r4p3 [me] 4 b31ng such a h4xxxx0rrr!!1"

If you see this behavior, you're quite obviously gaming with the wrong people. Yes, pubescent boys might behave like that in games. But have you ever spoken with a pubescent boy? They talk like that ALL THE TIME. Get some grown up friends and you won't have this problem any more. Seriously, the only people who talk like that aren't even worth talking to anyway. It's not the games, it's the people.

Strelich

This whole thing reminds me of two things that happened years ago, though neither hit the mainstream media.

I remember years ago a hubbub in the sim B-17 Flying Fortress 2, when a kid wandered through the huge volume files which contained all the graphical and sound assets for the game and ran across a bunch of porn links. Apparently, when they compiled the volume files, the empty space between individual files ended up being assorted bits of data from his hard drive, which included his IE history files. A designer seemed to like the porn, suffice it to say. I must admit it was back in 2001, so I can't remember how far the kid's mother got with her protest outside of Hasbro Interactive, but at least in the computer world, it caused a hubbub. The game's first (and only) patch 'blanked out' the blank areas in those volume files, and that was that.

Around the same time, there was a programmer in a published game who was released after people discovered he seemed to use racial epithets or somesuch as variable names and commented lines of code. Admittedly, I'd like to have remembered the game's name rather than report this second-hand without evidence, but as they say, the internet is a big place, and I can't remember where to look to refind stuff I read years ago.

In both examples, they solely depended on the wanderings of people whose curiosity revealed things that would never be seen otherwise. If anything, I'd blame the media and overreactive elements (though in both cases, to my knowledge they never reached the mainstream media) in stirring things up. If anything, it says something about curiosity, just as in this current example.

It's the first step in game modification to look at the file structure of games and see what can be modified and how, but if anything time and boredom has shown that sometimes developers have pretty funny/strange senses of humor when their code is dissected.

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shakran

She still doesn't. That's part of what I blame the parents for. If you can't be bothered to know what your kid is up to, you shouldn't be a parent.

Tophat665

When I said "leg to stand on", I didn't mean she would be right, but that she would have a reason to suspect that this was something she could score brownie points by ranting about. I am Not a big fan of Hillary (though I would vote for her over any republican likely to be nominated.)

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the_ref

My feeling? It's their own darn fault.

Look, given the heat the previous incarnations of the game had already taken from all & sundry, it stands to reason that if you leave something as dorky as this in the code SOMEONE on the internet is going to figure out how to get to it and then splat it all over the place. Yeah, Hilary went off too heavy, very definitely, but she would have had no ammo if Rockstar hadn't been so stupid in the first place.

They got caught in their own backwash. They shoulda knowed bettah.