Can I just say I think the Honor System blows!!!!!!!!! With massive raids in SS/TM, IF, and SW going on can only mean one thing: massive, mountainous lag for the rest of us. In The Hinterlands my ping was spiking over 1500. If you want to PVP go to a PVP server and let the rest of us play in peace.

/rant off

The PvP "honor system" may be one of the most ill-conceived things ever implemented. And forget the server lag. Lots of people who play have too much system lag to deal with this. Based on what I've read, this is a problem across all server types. I have no idea what Bliz can do to fix this besides turning the system off until they can better regulate it. Right now being in contested territory is basically suicide unless you're 55+. Even then, you better have the greater number of 55+ so your side doesn't get totally smoked. I'll be in instances and obscure (as possible) towns for the next few months. See you in IF....never.

I played for about 2 hours tonight. It came to a point where both lag and all the massive amounts of raids made me say "Ok, I can't get anything done until people start logging off." I'm pretty sure that this spike in raids is just because the honor system was just released. Everyone is just jumping at the chance to get high honor immediately. Soon after people realize it'll take weeks of these constant raids, they'll either drop off tremendously, or they'll be commonplace, every day, every hour. If the latter happens, you can be sure Blizzard will reconsider the honor system. Either by taking it out altogether (they'll lose a ton of customers if they do that) or by giving dishonorable kills for killing grey players and having HUGE penalties for doing so. That would hopefully discourage players from raiding low to mid level towns. I mean, if you could lose your actual level from killing say, 20 grey players, you'd never see raids in Tarren Mill. That may not be the best route, but it'd be much better than seeing a raid at EVERY town you try to level at.

I won't even bring up how imbalanced alliance to horde ratio is...but uh...horde cities may be ghost towns if this isn't looked in to.

Edit: I was in a raid group tonight, DEFENDING Tarren Mill, and I racked up 94 honorable kills in about an hour. I shudder to think how many an alliance character got who raided it...

On Bleeding Hollow the Alliance to Horde ratio is about 6/4 or maybe even 5/5. It's really close. Horde are dominating the server right now. :) Time to rack up some kills it looks like (as soon as I get all of my work done for college anyway). Not gonna let the horde waste the whole Alliance population!

-Lasereth

I joined a raid group attacking TM and somehow acquired 5 HKs. I never even saw the town and somehow still accumulated credit. Very weird.

Over on Destromath my (Alliance) guildie was raiding Tarren Mill and racked up about 80 HKs in an hour, just to give you an idea. I'm not sure what the ratio is on our server, however.

4hours played, 281 honor kills.

Hey guys at last i can join this thread: well i have a question because im a newb at wow at the time..hehe.. Well can you move a character to another server

Character transfers are possible on a few select realms on the US side. As far as I know it has not been enabled on the euro realms.

Check www.worldofwarcraft.com for more info.

--jaded

That honor system doesn't seem too fair to other players.

There's gonna be people like now who devote their entire lives to this game that will ALWAYS be #1 with the game's BEST gear, meaning people like me who play 2-3 hrs a day will NEVER get that chance.

Kinda throws off the balance of the game, don't you think?

The people who devote their entire lives to the game always have the best gear, this just gives them an alternate way to get it. It's no different than going on constant instance raids night after night (which many guilds do).

My problem with the honor system is it locks you into pvp if you want the high end crap. If you don't pvp constantly, you lose access to your gear. And since you were pvping and not running instances, you weren't gaining gear playing naturally so you kinda end up screwed.

The honor system is really screwed up. Just join a raid group and watch them kill, one doesnt even have to touch the enemy just be in a nice 30yrd proximity.

at lvl 49 i have 135 honor kills in 1hr of killing.

The honor system has also destroyed alot of leveling. Places like Hillsbard, Arathi, XR, STV

How does one report a bug? Maybe I'm not putting in the right amount of effort figuring this out... but something is really bothering me that they haven't fixed in the last 3 patches.

Bugs are reported using the forums. There used to be an in-game bug feature but they took out it out due to an overwhelming amount of bug reports to sift through. What bug are you referring to?

-Lasereth

I was at that raid last night...there had to be over 100 of both Alliance and Horde. It was insane lag-o-rama honor farm 3k. There was about a 10 second delay between casting and the spell going off. I managed to get about 104 points in an hour or so. They really need to fix the lag if mass PvP will be viable in current zones otherwise it's like turned based PvP. The battleground zones will probably be optimized for mass amounts of people...at least I hope. As for the ratio on Destromath I think it is close to even now with all the Mannaroth transfers...the Horde may even be a bit ahead.

There are still a good number of bugs that have existed since open/closed BETA and are still not fixed....

So be bothered, be very bothered.

Blizzard while was once great has some serious shit to shovel to get out of this hole of a game. Note I do enjoy playing this game, but it has many flaws. THrowing new content that often brings more bugs, doesnt fix anything.

I agree that WoW has many, many bugs and every patch introduces new ones. But is it really any different from any other MMO out there? I'm not a hardcore MMO gamer, I've only played a few others apart from WoW, but it seems to me every MMO introduces new bugs when patched.

I could be wrong, of course, but it seems like a normal development cycle to me. On the other hand, the honor system is a joke. I'm so fed up with raid PvP so I'm going back to instances. Screw the new items and ranks, they are not worth the hassle.

--jaded

After reading this board and a couple others about how crazy things are with the new honor system I've held off logging in until things cool down a while. I just don't have the time to devote to a game to keep up with all that. So it's back to HL2 for a while until things get back to normal!!
Just means its that much longer until I can ride my horse around...

OMG, When Shadowbane came out, there were times you couldn't log into the server for weeks at a time, and that was a game where you had to defend territory, hehe.

Don't raid PVP. It's not worth it and I find it boring. What IS <I>incredibly</I> fun is group PVP. Twice yesterday I got a small group of 3-4 people together and literally hid in the courtyard in the Undercity. I'd go out and /afk in the courtyard and then run to my group's hiding place with the horde on my trail. We'd decimate them, get honor kills, massive points (since it's not a raid) and have the most fun I've had in WoW since it launched. The Honor System is all about group PVP...not just kills. I really hope Battlegrounds promotes group versus group combat instead of the regular zergfest.

-Lasereth

Well said. While the mass raids are fun the lag makes it so unplayable. Rolling around in small groups is so much more fun. I had a few great fights last night in the barrens with a group of 5 alliance. It went on for about an hour or so and was much more enjoyable than the Tarren Mill lag-o-rama. I tell you this also, I am glad to be an engineer these days, lots of chances to use my bombs/dynamite and sheep!

Maybe it's just me, or I'm not at the point where it really affects me, but I think the errors are really few and far between.

The only exceptions are the times when the auth server is down, or when something happens on the realm that causes insane lag or random logouts, but... nothing that really affects gameplay itself.

Even still with all the fuss goin around, I haven't had any big issues whatsoever and have been playing just fine ever since the game was released (again, other than the times I can't login which is VERY seldom).

There's the occasional annoyance such as when you're a Rogue and you do a Cheap Shot and it doesn't give you your 2 combo points, or when you loot a body and you're stuck in the loot position, but.. those are farily trival - few and far between.

I've decided to hold off on the raids until the Honor System novelty dies down a bit. I tried to go on a raid yesterday and the lag was so bad, we had to call it quits. The screen would jump about once every 10-15 seconds which made it impossible to get a spell off, swing at anyone and just about everything else.

By the by, we just started a new Alliance guild on Perenolde called The Black Tower if anyone wants to join. A lot of us have taken names from The Wheel of Time series. I'm Perinn and we also have a Nynaeve and a Verinn. If anyone is starting out and wants to join, come to Perenolde and send me a tell.

Perrinn - lvl 32 Night Elf Rogue

You're gonna get your names and your guild named changed for violating a copyright. :) Hate to be a bastard but Blizzard is really adamant about being creative with character and guild names. And read my above post about small group PVP and the Honor System. Don't go to those raids! They're worthless. Find a small group and you'll have more fun and get more points with no lag.

-Lasereth

Heh. Well this makes me feel better about taking a break.

Eredar has a Darkpaladin, Darkpaladinx, Jrrtolkien, Kameltoh, Gandolf, Raistlin, Killerpally and a bunch of other crappy names I can't remember.

I wish they'd focus on these people instead :p

Nah, those names are fine.

I've had a char "Goatse" for a while and they don't seem to care. Next person in my guild who makes a char is gonna be "Tubgirl" and we're gonna do quests together.

If you name your guy "Jesus" or "GDubyaBush" or some other REAL life thing, they'll make you change it... but you can name your guy "Golbez" "Gandalf" .. or pretty much anything else that ya want (so as long as it isn't a swear word)

I don't know about changing famous names.. my brother has a priest named Chucknorriss...

Undead of course.. but with just the slight variation on the name.. I guess he's safe for now!

one of they guys in my guild had to change his name.. it was dawgnutz now it's something else but everyone still calls him dawg.

Notice "Jrrtolkien".Most of the other names may be fine in your opinion, but I think they're retarded.Paladins named Darkpaladin? Come on.

Certain games like Counter-Strike are where names don't matter, but imo if you're playing a Fantasy game with a permanent avatar, the names should be a bit more original.

Omg that would be to good :lol:

Pretty much the only way a name gets changed is if someone actually reports it to a mod. I saw someone the other day named "barrybonds" who was spamming "I LOVE STEROIDS!" in Org. I had seen him before, so I don't think that blizz did anything about his name.

Are there any high lvl enchanters out there who can answer me a few questions? First, is there a list of what can be enchanted and with what? I keeping asking in IF if someone can enchant my stave with +50 spirit and people laugh at me. Is there a website I can consult? Second, can a novice enchanter disenchant a purple/blue item? Thanks for any help, info, etc. you can provide. Much appreciated

Just a little heads up to everyone out there:

You see a group of 60s kiting around lvl 60 elite demons in a place that doesn't usually have demons, don't, for any reason, try to help. The new epic hunter quest apparently makes the hunter fight these demons alone, so they can receive help with buffs before the fight, but they can't receive any help during the fight. If you do anything to the demon at all, it vanishes instantly and there's a 2 hour respawn timer on it. I made this mistake tonight out of complete ignorance of the situation, since I usually jump in on stuff like that to help out, assuming the group has already tagged the mob and usually get a thanks afterwards. Needless to say, they were pretty fucking pissed at me since I wasted two hours of their lives. Also needless to say, I'll never be helping anyone not in my group ever again for any reason unless specifically requested.

Um...

My guild are the Happytime Harriers (taken from Aqua Teen Hunger Force) and I'm Laurelin, which is a direct reference to the Tolkien universe (Laurelin was one of the Two Trees--the other being Telperion). Haven't heard jack from Blizzard about my name, and I've seen PLENTY of other people around with Tolkien names. Heck--Blizzard cribs names from Tolkien, making minor changes if any. They even make famous people jokes in some of their own names--the cooking supplier in IF is named Emrul. Please.

sigh.. way i see it now.. lvling will be a pain now on pvp servers as we are already seeing on bone chewer horde side.. peps farming npc's

what ive never understood about blizzard ever. they put nothing in thier game that hinders you at all. worst thing is durability loss.

you get honor but no dishonor. well you do but it dont mean jack.

and for pvp im pissed about frost nova and polly. not that they didnt work good before now its pfft time. I tried to frost nova a warrior twice last night only to have him break my nova in under 2 sec after tossing it up. and he was 7 lvls under my lvl 60 frost mage. even my frost bite blows now.

although for pve its still nice, but the warping effect of critters is annoying with root type frost spells breaking..

and with all the honor "gear" high lvl instance drops are pretty much pointless

btw even though it takes a regent.. arcane brilliance pwns. I dont have to blow a ton o mana anymore. And now that spirit actually works a bit better i keep at least 65% of my mana in reserve even after a 2 min battle.

hahaha on lothar we tried for lord kazzak in blasted lands got wiped twice. when they say you got about 3 min to tank him believe it.

but lothar is fun but a bit boring. got a lvl 13 mage, 13 warlock and a lvl 6 shaman all horde baby on bonechewer now

As far as I can tell, any name you choose is safe to use UNLESS Blizzard is directly informed by someone you are using it (via the in-game report tool). My friend was using Chewbacca and it was fine until someone reported him. He changed it to Chewiee ;)

My mage is Marajade, also a Star Wars reference, but I have had no issues using it...yet.

And thanks for the group PvP tip Las, it was a lot more fun and rewarding!

--jaded

Haha, 3 minutes indeed. Have you tried Azuregos post patch? Damn near impossible in my opinion.

--jaded

If you ever get reported, they'll change your name and guildname. :) They don't go searching for it but they'll change a name if it refers to any type of media. It is sort of hypocritical, but it's the truth. I wish they'd be more adamant about it...I'm so tired of seeing Gimly and Gimlie and Legolazzz and Raistlinn, etc.

-Lasereth

I'm level 44 right now and I cannot find anywhere to grind quests. All I have are a bunch of random quests that hardly anybody has that I need to do with a party. It's stupid. Where do I head next?