Yu-Gi-Oh..the card game (more of a rant) - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

ICER · 04-19-2003, 08:28 PM

OK. Before you start in and say "It's just another MTG rip-off" (Which it is of course) let me just say that this CCG is really a cut above the rest of them. Aside from having a cartoon and a comic with a movie in the works. This game has a huge fan base. It's quick and simple to learn. but not to simple to lose your interest. And it even made the jump to a board version (Dungeon DiceMonsters) as well as the console game system. and to top in off. It even has a one on one online version.

At first I thought that this was just another CCG for kids, Like Pokemon. But it isn't. Even at it's height of popularity. Hardly any actually played pokemon, the just collected the cards. But nearly everybody that collects this game, plays (Or Duel, as the players call it)

And unlike Magic the Gathering. It’s allot more simple to learn. And the rules keep the decks from getting out of hand. Which was one reason many people stop playing MtG.

But even this game has a cancer eating away at it. and oddly enough, It's the very fans that made it what it is. The kids. a shocking amount of them are nothing but power players. With "Win at any cost (as their parents credit cards will attest too)." They will build their decks with nothing but power cards. and try to over power the other guy. Or the teen and adult players who will use a "Discard" theme. that will drain you down to your last card. Winning the game by default.

I am a duelist. A I think someone needs to say that being a power player, or using a discard deck to win. Isn't worth playing against. Duel monster is supposed to be just that. Monsters dueling against each other. Using magic and traps to help. And when played that way. It's a very fun game. However. Played the other way. Although you will win allot. You’re not really playing. You’re just winning. Winning without any real sense of victory. Just a string of shallow wins. That will get you no respect from other players.

All of my kids are duelist as well (Which is how I got started) And sadly one of they. is just such a player. His deck is a discard one. but my other child. has a deck designed around a warrior theme.

Today. First child won a tournament. While the second placed 26(out of 64). and made to the semi finals. and I was more proud of the second then the first, because he dueled his heart out. used his deck very wisely. got out of tough spots by playing the right card at the right time. not playing his best monster early on. but saved it for when the other person played theirs. Used his wits and strategy to win. While the other just sat there and played his cards.

And I told the first one that (although I was happy for him) I was more proud of the second.

I think that it's more important to earn a win. then by winning by default. It's a good lesson to teach our children in this day and age where respect and honor are in short supply.

Why am I telling you this? Because I think everyone should know. that life lessons can be taught anywhere. And you should not just dismiss something that could not only teach your child something. But you could learn from as well.

Quadraton · 04-19-2003, 08:46 PM

Good rant, and good lesson learned, but I still think the TV show is nothing but an over-glorified, 20 minute commercial.

"Drat! His Shadow monster has put a curse on my White Knight. If only I had a mirror card to reflect the curse, which you can buy at your local Toys 'R' Us today! Get 'em all!"

ICER · 04-19-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Quadraton
Good rant, and good lesson learned, but I still think the TV show is nothing but an over-glorified, 20 minute commercial.

"Drat! His Shadow monster has put a curse on my White Knight. If only I had a mirror card to reflect the curse, which you can buy at your local Toys 'R' Us today! Get 'em all!"

LOL, Now that is funny. Thanks. I needed a laugh.

Mr.Deflok · 04-19-2003, 08:57 PM

"I've got to believe in the cards... and in myself."

I don't see what 80% of you people see in Yu-Gi-Oh, in three more months most of you will be hooked on something else anyway. Remember Pokemon? Digimon? Cardcaptors? Beyblades?

I tell ya, at work at Electronics Boutique I've sold so many Yu-Gi-Oh cards that were I to keep that money I could buy a four bedroom house in the heart of the city.

ICER · 04-19-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Deflok
"I've got to believe in the cards... and in myself."

I don't see what 80% of you people see in Yu-Gi-Oh, in three more months most of you will be hooked on something else anyway. Remember Pokemon? Digimon? Cardcaptors? Beyblades?

I tell ya, at work at Electronics Boutique I've sold so many Yu-Gi-Oh cards that were I to keep that money I could buy a four bedroom house in the heart of the city.

You missed the whole point of the rant. And it doesn't matter what we spend the money on. It's what we do with what we buy afterwards.

And what about the other 20%??

quest1mark · 04-19-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by ICER
I am a duelist. A I think someone needs to say that being a power player, or using a discard deck to win. Isn't worth playing against. Duel monster is supposed to be just that. Monsters dueling against each other. Using magic and traps to help. And when played that way. It's a very fun game. However. Played the other way. Although you will win allot. You’re not really playing. You’re just winning. Winning without any real sense of victory. Just a string of shallow wins. That will get you no respect from other players.

i duel, and im going to have to disagree with your analysis. although the game is about dueling monsters, nobody plays that way. thats just the harsh reality. those who win are those who shell out the money to buy the secret/special/ultra rares.

you were talking about longevity in dueling. while playing for fun, i totally agree with taking my time and being a more finesse type player. but in a single elimination tournament, theres no room for that. your trying to win best out of three, and with all that pressure, you want to be sure of a win. thats where the beat down decks come in. just like your sons 'warrior' theme deck, the beat down is a theme of its own and is a staple deck in every tourney. but just because there are more duelists using beat down decks, doesnt mean its the end of the world for duelists and those who play. no deck is perfect because theyre all different. thats the beauty of the game.

im just stating my case because i have a beat down deck and ive won some and lost a whole bunch. and even though i lost, i still shook the other guys hands and commended them on a job well done...even if he was 12 years old and just whooped my ass. i duel in tournaments to share a passion and to learn more about the game and the strategy aspect of it. you gotta remember win or lose, its just a game and were all there to have fun.

Magpie0001 · 04-20-2003, 01:52 AM

Igotta say, I played the poke game thought pekachu was mildly amusing. Ive never seen Yu Gi Oh cartoon but i played the game to death on my Pc (GBA Emulator) & it rules, its really enjoyable, Id love to play against real people buteven still the game rules.

OOh & yeah its not the winning, its the playing but try & tell that to a12 year old thats winning.

Apokx · 04-20-2003, 01:57 AM

Poke'Mon the gameboy game was awesome.Cartoon and little kids gayed it up

Mr.Deflok · 04-20-2003, 01:57 AM

I'm talking about Yu-Gi-Oh/the latest fad in general

ICER · 04-20-2003, 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by quest1mark
i duel, and im going to have to disagree with your analysis. although the game is about dueling monsters, nobody plays that way. thats just the harsh reality. those who win are those who shell out the money to buy the secret/special/ultra rares.

you were talking about longevity in dueling. while playing for fun, i totally agree with taking my time and being a more finesse type player. but in a single elimination tournament, theres no room for that. your trying to win best out of three, and with all that pressure, you want to be sure of a win. thats where the beat down decks come in. just like your sons 'warrior' theme deck, the beat down is a theme of its own and is a staple deck in every tourney. but just because there are more duelists using beat down decks, doesnt mean its the end of the world for duelists and those who play. no deck is perfect because theyre all different. thats the beauty of the game.

im just stating my case because i have a beat down deck and ive won some and lost a whole bunch. and even though i lost, i still shook the other guys hands and commended them on a job well done...even if he was 12 years old and just whooped my ass. i duel in tournaments to share a passion and to learn more about the game and the strategy aspect of it. you gotta remember win or lose, its just a game and were all there to have fun.

I can see your point, And I agree. Using any beat downdeck does take some finesse. But the discard ones do not. and I'm not takeing about shelling out the cash for a Card Destruction (UR) when a Needle Worm or Cyber jar ( Which is a rare, But is real easy and cheap to get) will do just as well. A discard deck is quick and cheap to build. And your winning by default.

Take my Warrior deck. It's side deck has two Ground Collapse and a three Infinite Dismissal traps. Just so when I go up against a beat down deck. I can make their life misable. Which is good. If they have the brains to get around it, Then they should when.

A discard card one. you just play a bunch of cards to drain your opponets cards. Which I think is chessy.

And I also agree that it is just a ghame. And should be played for fun. But you missed the point of my story. There is a oppertuneity to teach my child a important lesson. That Winning isn't everything. But winning well. And although he's just 11. It's a good lesson to teach. He may not understand it now. but someday he will. Someday he will look back and say 'So, That's what dad meant"

Ganguro · 04-20-2003, 01:30 PM

Icer i understand you point. I played against AZ online and it was fun.. Now a week later i played agaisnt a kid and got the beating of alifetime. Why?
This kid had Exodia in his hand. His whole deck was about pulling Exodia out. IT sucked because you couldn't attack him because all of his creatures were the ones that let you pull cards out of your deck and such. Kill a monster.. he pulls out the Exodia leg.. repeat. i talked to the kid's parents.. They were shelling out 100+ dollars a pop and travelling to different states to get this little booger eater some damn cards. I think it just goes with the nature of people who are competitive and dont have the maturity to tell teh difference between a battle well fought and being fortunate enough to have a big cashroll to buy cards. Put these kids in a tourney with unopened boosters and they'd be screwed.

ICER · 04-20-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Ganguro
Icer i understand you point. I played against AZ online and it was fun.. Now a week later i played agaisnt a kid and got the beating of alifetime. Why?
This kid had Exodia in his hand. His whole deck was about pulling Exodia out. IT sucked because you couldn't attack him because all of his creatures were the ones that let you pull cards out of your deck and such. Kill a monster.. he pulls out the Exodia leg.. repeat. i talked to the kid's parents.. They were shelling out 100+ dollars a pop and travelling to different states to get this little booger eater some damn cards. I think it just goes with the nature of people who are competitive and dont have the maturity to tell teh difference between a battle well fought and being fortunate enough to have a big cashroll to buy cards. Put these kids in a tourney with unopened boosters and they'd be screwed.

Last time I played Azh, he was using a discard deck that he found on card guru.com. While the one I used. I put together.

Spinach_Indeed · 04-21-2003, 01:11 PM

The only experience I've had with Yugi-oh is the Manga which I read before anyone in the States really knew about it, and coincidently, a good chunk of the issues of the Manga aren't even about the Card Game

RenegadeSoul · 04-21-2003, 06:07 PM

that rant was quite inspiring

opentocomments · 04-22-2003, 03:30 PM

My friend plays Yu-gi-oh and he always tells me about how he beat some guy with a trick card on his double red eyes purple dragon deck and i just never got...

tinger · 04-25-2003, 04:55 PM

While I know absolutely nothing about Yu-Gi-Oh, I have played Magic competitively, on and off, for the last 8 years and I think I see some parallels.

The 'discard deck' that you railed against appears to be very straight-forward and use a path to victory other than damage. In the early days of Magic (relatively speaking, it is only 10 years old), you would see a lot of posts on the internet with people complaining about decks that either just did direct damage to the player (cheesy) and decks that removed the opponent's deck from the game (thereby causing their opponent to lose).

If these decks are the strongest and you're playing in a tournament then you have to accept it. Either play the best deck, build a deck that can beat them or don't complain. If the rules have more than one way to win, it isn't necessarily a cheap victory just because you won in a different way than most people do.

If you don't enjoy playing against these decks, then play casually. There's nobody forcing you to play in the tournament. When I shell out my $5-$40 (or whatever the entrance fee happen to be), I'm going to do everything I can to win (within the rules).

Tournament Magic has matured as a game to the point where there is more than one accepted "honorable" win condition and if you want to show up with a "cheesy" deck, then feel free to try your luck. I expect that, should Yu-Gi-Oh somehow stick around for several years, the feelings you express will disappear as more people understand the game for what it is.

My point got garbled up in there somewhere, but basically what I am trying to express is that tournaments exist for the purpose of competition. If you just want to play 'warrior decks' then play casually. In a tournament, anything is fair game. If it's possible within the rules then it isn't 'cheesy'.

I guess that's all I've got for now.

ps. I'm not exactly a child psych major, but isn't telling one kid that you're more proud of your other kid not exactly the best thing to do?

guthmund · 04-25-2003, 09:09 PM

I got into it a few months ago. Built what I thought was a pretty good deck, went to a couple of local gatherings and made some trades. But when the league opened up and I started playing against these little snit pizzels who had Mommy and Daddy buy their deck for them or the older fellow (i.e. comic book guy) who gets in it to beat little kids and feel superior, the fun left.

What's the point of playing these kids in an honest and open fashion, if all they want to do is use someone elses strategy to quash you fantasically or wait you out?

I think it is cheesy. Just because there is an obvious exploit in the game, why exploit it?

If I were to use these to my advantage and win; is it really a 'win?' Where is the noblility? where's the fun? Where's the competition?

It's a cheap move. I'd rather my opponent use his/her mind to defeat me rather than a backdoor exploit.

I rather like playing with my nephew, who is one of the few I will play nowadays. Real competition, just me and the little guy playing strategy off one another and reading the field. That is sportsmanship, and say what you will about a "stupid little card game" the values still apply.

ICER · 04-26-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by guthmund
I got into it a few months ago. Built what I thought was a pretty good deck, went to a couple of local gatherings and made some trades. But when the league opened up and I started playing against these little snit pizzels who had Mommy and Daddy buy their deck for them or the older fellow (i.e. comic book guy) who gets in it to beat little kids and feel superior, the fun left.

What's the point of playing these kids in an honest and open fashion, if all they want to do is use someone elses strategy to quash you fantasically or wait you out?

I think it is cheesy. Just because there is an obvious exploit in the game, why exploit it?

If I were to use these to my advantage and win; is it really a 'win?' Where is the noblility? where's the fun? Where's the competition?

It's a cheap move. I'd rather my opponent use his/her mind to defeat me rather than a backdoor exploit.

I rather like playing with my nephew, who is one of the few I will play nowadays. Real competition, just me and the little guy playing strategy off one another and reading the field. That is sportsmanship, and say what you will about a "stupid little card game" the values still apply.

Thank you guthmund. I couldn't have said it better myself.

and as for the " ps. I'm not exactly a child psych major, but isn't telling one kid that you're more proud of your other kid not exactly the best thing to do?" comment. No it isn't. But sometimes you have to take a stand and do something that other would not agree with to teach a child a VERY important life lesson. Winning isn't everything. How you win is.

TerresqueÜ · 04-26-2003, 09:40 AM

Ok I was too lazy to read all of your cruddy rant so I'm just gunna give mine (being a hardcore magic player).

Ok...So here are the reason that Yu-Gi-Oh is one of the WORST CCGs EVER!

First off the obvious reason that there is absolutely 0 strategy in this game. It's all who gets the biggest fatty.
Oh no how can I beat the ultimate monster with a 591485.2/431241341234123 attack power?

The next reason is that the biggest idiot can win the world championship of Yu-Gi-Oh if he has alot of money. In Magic you have to think about how to play a move and good combos, not how to play your big fucking fatty.

And you can't draft Yu-Gi-Oh, or at least not have fun doing it! If you open a pack of Yu-Gi-Oh cards and get a god rare it's game over!

In summation, Yu-Gi-Oh sucks and Magic doesn't. The only reason there is no Magic TV show is because people would be too stupid to understand it!

Thank you.

guthmund · 04-26-2003, 01:15 PM

My card game is better than your card game.....give me a break.
NYAH NYAH NYAH!!!!

I think you're right on the money for praising one and not the other. Sure the one child won the tournament, but he showed little skill. While the other took the more honest route and did well.

I fail to see the problem. Are we to praise our children for anything and everything? Can they never do wrong?

If I teach a child about sportsmanship, I expect him to play with sportsmanship.

forgotten_dream · 04-26-2003, 09:08 PM

Terresque, 3 words: One Round Kill. The day I hear about something like that happen in a Yugi-oh card game, I'll accept that it's as cheap as Magic. Not to trash on Magic:The Gathering of course, I personally am an enormous fan of the game. But every time I go up against a black discard deck, I think to myself "What's the point of this?" And as for ultra rare power cards, I think they suck. Whether it's something like Exodia from Yugi or an Avatar of Infinite Destruction, it takes the fun out of the game because you need money, instead of skill. And buying decks off of the net I think takes out the best part of the game- I have more fun putting together decks from my brothers scrap cards and beating the pants off of him than when I'm using my usual deck I've been working on for about a year and a half.

TerresqueÜ · 04-26-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by forgotten_dream
Terresque, 3 words: One Round Kill. The day I hear about something like that happen in a Yugi-oh card game, I'll accept that it's as cheap as Magic. Not to trash on Magic:The Gathering of course, I personally am an enormous fan of the game. But every time I go up against a black discard deck, I think to myself "What's the point of this?" And as for ultra rare power cards, I think they suck. Whether it's something like Exodia from Yugi or an Avatar of Infinite Destruction, it takes the fun out of the game because you need money, instead of skill. And buying decks off of the net I think takes out the best part of the game- I have more fun putting together decks from my brothers scrap cards and beating the pants off of him than when I'm using my usual deck I've been working on for about a year and a half.

Ok...since you are dealing with turn one wins then you are a rich bastard! The decks that have first turn wins are in type one, where cards that cost upwards of a grand are legal and often played! So if you don't wanna deal with that crap play Type II or even Type 1.5 (extended) like the people with enough brain power to comprehend that there is more then one field of play!

forgotten_dream · 04-26-2003, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by TerresqueÜ
Ok...since you are dealing with turn one wins then you are a rich bastard! The decks that have first turn wins are in type one, where cards that cost upwards of a grand are legal and often played! So if you don't wanna deal with that crap play Type II or even Type 1.5 (extended) like the people with enough brain power to comprehend that there is more then one field of play!

Heh. I wish I had that kind of money. I was just making the point that magic is just as bad-- Remember the Black Lotus? Part of the one round kill I heard about, and it sickens me to think much that card is worth.

KillerYoda · 04-27-2003, 12:01 AM

The funniest shit about Yu-Gi-Oh when I used to work at this place that sold them was the kids who really weren't "in" on the trend and were trying to catch up with everyone else. This one kid actually asked if we sold "Yugimon" cards. I figure those are the kids who back when I was in junior high started play MTG when the trend had ended.

forgotten_dream · 04-27-2003, 12:14 AM

Heh. Yugimon? I play-- Blue eyes white pikachu!

TerresqueÜ · 04-27-2003, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by forgotten_dream
Heh. I wish I had that kind of money. I was just making the point that magic is just as bad-- Remember the Black Lotus? Part of the one round kill I heard about, and it sickens me to think much that card is worth.

Ok...if you don't have that kind of money then why don't you play an uncostly type ii deck, like Blue Green Madness? U/G Madness (blue green madness) is a tier one deck and it only costs about 80 or 90 bucks! So stop whining and start playing!

forgotten_dream · 04-27-2003, 05:33 PM

I do play, and do enjoy it. I was just pointing out the fact that all CCG's have ultra rare god cards, not just Yugi-Oh.

BuddyHawks · 10-17-2003, 12:55 PM

I play (not often as I would like to) and have assembled an impressive deck over time. Here is my observation. Anyone is capable of beating anyone. The cards in your deck must complement eachother. A beatdown/discard/exodia all have weaknesses that can be exploited. And there is nothing wrong with having decks like these, they are just different strats.

ps - the place to get good cards is on ebay where they are around a dollar.

Cardinal Syn · 10-18-2003, 08:37 PM

I really enjoy the Cartoon. It be kinda neat to actually play the game. What i find best about the series so far. Is that it is a SERIES!!!

The Story keeps on getting told throughout all the many episodes.

Anyways. I'de like to play.

IckUber · 10-19-2003, 12:29 AM

Never got into the whole card game thing. Wait thats not true, i loved me the CCG Starwars when i was in 7th grade, i loved spending all my money trying to find like c3po and all my favorite characters. DAMN those were the days.

BuddyHawks · 10-19-2003, 09:14 AM

its was maybe 7th of 8th grade and my friend and I started started doing th Stat Wars Card game thing, but could never figure out how to play!

CyCo PL · 10-19-2003, 05:08 PM

I never liked card games, unless you count stuff like poker. I got into pogs when I was 11 years old though! Woo, pogs!

NeverBorn · 10-21-2003, 06:58 PM

speaking of magic..wtf are they doing to it.. its being destroyed. Some of these new cards are absolute powergaming crapfests

Esoteric · 10-21-2003, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Quadraton
"Drat! His Shadow monster has put a curse on my White Knight. If only I had a mirror card to reflect the curse, which you can buy at your local Toys 'R' Us today! Get 'em all!"

Rofl, that made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that haha.

floonine · 10-24-2003, 01:56 PM

Sorry, it seems too easy to be enjoyable. I don't know much about it I admit, but if the rules are the same in the cartoon's then the game isn't enough of a challenge.
The cartoon is silly too... Yugi's medalion helps him fuckin cheat, and he uses it all the time, dick head. haha

04-19-2003, 08:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
ICER Chilled to Perfection Location: Dallas, TX	Yu-Gi-Oh..the card game (more of a rant) OK. Before you start in and say "It's just another MTG rip-off" (Which it is of course) let me just say that this CCG is really a cut above the rest of them. Aside from having a cartoon and a comic with a movie in the works. This game has a huge fan base. It's quick and simple to learn. but not to simple to lose your interest. And it even made the jump to a board version (Dungeon DiceMonsters) as well as the console game system. and to top in off. It even has a one on one online version. At first I thought that this was just another CCG for kids, Like Pokemon. But it isn't. Even at it's height of popularity. Hardly any actually played pokemon, the just collected the cards. But nearly everybody that collects this game, plays (Or Duel, as the players call it) And unlike Magic the Gathering. It’s allot more simple to learn. And the rules keep the decks from getting out of hand. Which was one reason many people stop playing MtG. But even this game has a cancer eating away at it. and oddly enough, It's the very fans that made it what it is. The kids. a shocking amount of them are nothing but power players. With "Win at any cost (as their parents credit cards will attest too)." They will build their decks with nothing but power cards. and try to over power the other guy. Or the teen and adult players who will use a "Discard" theme. that will drain you down to your last card. Winning the game by default. I am a duelist. A I think someone needs to say that being a power player, or using a discard deck to win. Isn't worth playing against. Duel monster is supposed to be just that. Monsters dueling against each other. Using magic and traps to help. And when played that way. It's a very fun game. However. Played the other way. Although you will win allot. You’re not really playing. You’re just winning. Winning without any real sense of victory. Just a string of shallow wins. That will get you no respect from other players. All of my kids are duelist as well (Which is how I got started) And sadly one of they. is just such a player. His deck is a discard one. but my other child. has a deck designed around a warrior theme. Today. First child won a tournament. While the second placed 26(out of 64). and made to the semi finals. and I was more proud of the second then the first, because he dueled his heart out. used his deck very wisely. got out of tough spots by playing the right card at the right time. not playing his best monster early on. but saved it for when the other person played theirs. Used his wits and strategy to win. While the other just sat there and played his cards. And I told the first one that (although I was happy for him) I was more proud of the second. I think that it's more important to earn a win. then by winning by default. It's a good lesson to teach our children in this day and age where respect and honor are in short supply. Why am I telling you this? Because I think everyone should know. that life lessons can be taught anywhere. And you should not just dismiss something that could not only teach your child something. But you could learn from as well. __________________ What's the difference between congress and a penitentiary? One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners. ~~David Letterman

04-19-2003, 08:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Quadraton Addict Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada	Good rant, and good lesson learned, but I still think the TV show is nothing but an over-glorified, 20 minute commercial. "Drat! His Shadow monster has put a curse on my White Knight. If only I had a mirror card to reflect the curse, which you can buy at your local Toys 'R' Us today! Get 'em all!" __________________ "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

04-19-2003, 08:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	"I've got to believe in the cards... and in myself." I don't see what 80% of you people see in Yu-Gi-Oh, in three more months most of you will be hooked on something else anyway. Remember Pokemon? Digimon? Cardcaptors? Beyblades? I tell ya, at work at Electronics Boutique I've sold so many Yu-Gi-Oh cards that were I to keep that money I could buy a four bedroom house in the heart of the city. Last edited by Mr.Deflok; 04-19-2003 at 08:59 PM..

04-20-2003, 01:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Magpie0001 Nobody Loves Me Location: Irish In Madrid	Igotta say, I played the poke game thought pekachu was mildly amusing. Ive never seen Yu Gi Oh cartoon but i played the game to death on my Pc (GBA Emulator) & it rules, its really enjoyable, Id love to play against real people buteven still the game rules. OOh & yeah its not the winning, its the playing but try & tell that to a12 year old thats winning. __________________ Music is my first love & It will be my last.

04-22-2003, 03:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
opentocomments Psycho Location: St. Louis	My friend plays Yu-gi-oh and he always tells me about how he beat some guy with a trick card on his double red eyes purple dragon deck and i just never got... __________________ How do we know that the sky is not green and we are all color-blind?

04-20-2003, 01:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
Apokx Yo dawg, I herd u like... Location: memes.	Poke'Mon the gameboy game was awesome.Cartoon and little kids gayed it up

04-20-2003, 01:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	I'm talking about Yu-Gi-Oh/the latest fad in general

04-20-2003, 01:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	Icer i understand you point. I played against AZ online and it was fun.. Now a week later i played agaisnt a kid and got the beating of alifetime. Why? This kid had Exodia in his hand. His whole deck was about pulling Exodia out. IT sucked because you couldn't attack him because all of his creatures were the ones that let you pull cards out of your deck and such. Kill a monster.. he pulls out the Exodia leg.. repeat. i talked to the kid's parents.. They were shelling out 100+ dollars a pop and travelling to different states to get this little booger eater some damn cards. I think it just goes with the nature of people who are competitive and dont have the maturity to tell teh difference between a battle well fought and being fortunate enough to have a big cashroll to buy cards. Put these kids in a tourney with unopened boosters and they'd be screwed.

04-21-2003, 01:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
Spinach_Indeed Banned? Location: Artic Tundra	The only experience I've had with Yugi-oh is the Manga which I read before anyone in the States really knew about it, and coincidently, a good chunk of the issues of the Manga aren't even about the Card Game

04-21-2003, 06:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
RenegadeSoul Banned Location: British Columbia	that rant was quite inspiring

04-25-2003, 04:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
tinger Tilted	While I know absolutely nothing about Yu-Gi-Oh, I have played Magic competitively, on and off, for the last 8 years and I think I see some parallels. The 'discard deck' that you railed against appears to be very straight-forward and use a path to victory other than damage. In the early days of Magic (relatively speaking, it is only 10 years old), you would see a lot of posts on the internet with people complaining about decks that either just did direct damage to the player (cheesy) and decks that removed the opponent's deck from the game (thereby causing their opponent to lose). If these decks are the strongest and you're playing in a tournament then you have to accept it. Either play the best deck, build a deck that can beat them or don't complain. If the rules have more than one way to win, it isn't necessarily a cheap victory just because you won in a different way than most people do. If you don't enjoy playing against these decks, then play casually. There's nobody forcing you to play in the tournament. When I shell out my $5-$40 (or whatever the entrance fee happen to be), I'm going to do everything I can to win (within the rules). Tournament Magic has matured as a game to the point where there is more than one accepted "honorable" win condition and if you want to show up with a "cheesy" deck, then feel free to try your luck. I expect that, should Yu-Gi-Oh somehow stick around for several years, the feelings you express will disappear as more people understand the game for what it is. My point got garbled up in there somewhere, but basically what I am trying to express is that tournaments exist for the purpose of competition. If you just want to play 'warrior decks' then play casually. In a tournament, anything is fair game. If it's possible within the rules then it isn't 'cheesy'. I guess that's all I've got for now. ps. I'm not exactly a child psych major, but isn't telling one kid that you're more proud of your other kid not exactly the best thing to do?

04-25-2003, 09:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I got into it a few months ago. Built what I thought was a pretty good deck, went to a couple of local gatherings and made some trades. But when the league opened up and I started playing against these little snit pizzels who had Mommy and Daddy buy their deck for them or the older fellow (i.e. comic book guy) who gets in it to beat little kids and feel superior, the fun left. What's the point of playing these kids in an honest and open fashion, if all they want to do is use someone elses strategy to quash you fantasically or wait you out? I think it is cheesy. Just because there is an obvious exploit in the game, why exploit it? If I were to use these to my advantage and win; is it really a 'win?' Where is the noblility? where's the fun? Where's the competition? It's a cheap move. I'd rather my opponent use his/her mind to defeat me rather than a backdoor exploit. I rather like playing with my nephew, who is one of the few I will play nowadays. Real competition, just me and the little guy playing strategy off one another and reading the field. That is sportsmanship, and say what you will about a "stupid little card game" the values still apply. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously. Last edited by guthmund; 04-25-2003 at 09:12 PM..

04-26-2003, 09:40 AM	#19 (permalink)
TerresqueÜ Hiding Out	Ok I was too lazy to read all of your cruddy rant so I'm just gunna give mine (being a hardcore magic player). Ok...So here are the reason that Yu-Gi-Oh is one of the WORST CCGs EVER! First off the obvious reason that there is absolutely 0 strategy in this game. It's all who gets the biggest fatty. Oh no how can I beat the ultimate monster with a 591485.2/431241341234123 attack power? The next reason is that the biggest idiot can win the world championship of Yu-Gi-Oh if he has alot of money. In Magic you have to think about how to play a move and good combos, not how to play your big fucking fatty. And you can't draft Yu-Gi-Oh, or at least not have fun doing it! If you open a pack of Yu-Gi-Oh cards and get a god rare it's game over! In summation, Yu-Gi-Oh sucks and Magic doesn't. The only reason there is no Magic TV show is because people would be too stupid to understand it! Thank you. __________________ Say yes to the 'Tilted Roleplaying' Forum http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1932&highlight=petition Last edited by TerresqueÜ; 04-26-2003 at 11:14 PM..

04-26-2003, 01:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	My card game is better than your card game.....give me a break. NYAH NYAH NYAH!!!! I think you're right on the money for praising one and not the other. Sure the one child won the tournament, but he showed little skill. While the other took the more honest route and did well. I fail to see the problem. Are we to praise our children for anything and everything? Can they never do wrong? If I teach a child about sportsmanship, I expect him to play with sportsmanship. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

04-26-2003, 09:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
forgotten_dream Psycho	Terresque, 3 words: One Round Kill. The day I hear about something like that happen in a Yugi-oh card game, I'll accept that it's as cheap as Magic. Not to trash on Magic:The Gathering of course, I personally am an enormous fan of the game. But every time I go up against a black discard deck, I think to myself "What's the point of this?" And as for ultra rare power cards, I think they suck. Whether it's something like Exodia from Yugi or an Avatar of Infinite Destruction, it takes the fun out of the game because you need money, instead of skill. And buying decks off of the net I think takes out the best part of the game- I have more fun putting together decks from my brothers scrap cards and beating the pants off of him than when I'm using my usual deck I've been working on for about a year and a half. __________________ "A ouija board just works better if you've made it yourself. It's sortof like how 'Clue' is more interesting when one of you has actually killed someone."

04-27-2003, 12:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
KillerYoda The Original Emo Gangsta Location: Sixth Floor, Texas School Book Depository	The funniest shit about Yu-Gi-Oh when I used to work at this place that sold them was the kids who really weren't "in" on the trend and were trying to catch up with everyone else. This one kid actually asked if we sold "Yugimon" cards. I figure those are the kids who back when I was in junior high started play MTG when the trend had ended. __________________ "So you're Chekov, huh? Well, this here's McCoy. Find a Spock, we got us an away team."

04-27-2003, 12:14 AM	#25 (permalink)
forgotten_dream Psycho	Heh. Yugimon? I play-- Blue eyes white pikachu! __________________ "A ouija board just works better if you've made it yourself. It's sortof like how 'Clue' is more interesting when one of you has actually killed someone."

04-27-2003, 05:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
forgotten_dream Psycho	I do play, and do enjoy it. I was just pointing out the fact that all CCG's have ultra rare god cards, not just Yugi-Oh. __________________ "A ouija board just works better if you've made it yourself. It's sortof like how 'Clue' is more interesting when one of you has actually killed someone."

10-17-2003, 12:55 PM	#28 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	I play (not often as I would like to) and have assembled an impressive deck over time. Here is my observation. Anyone is capable of beating anyone. The cards in your deck must complement eachother. A beatdown/discard/exodia all have weaknesses that can be exploited. And there is nothing wrong with having decks like these, they are just different strats. ps - the place to get good cards is on ebay where they are around a dollar. __________________ Watch More TV

10-18-2003, 08:37 PM	#29 (permalink)
Cardinal Syn Insane Location: Arizona	I really enjoy the Cartoon. It be kinda neat to actually play the game. What i find best about the series so far. Is that it is a SERIES!!! The Story keeps on getting told throughout all the many episodes. Anyways. I'de like to play.

10-19-2003, 12:29 AM	#30 (permalink)
IckUber Funran Location: Norman, OK	Never got into the whole card game thing. Wait thats not true, i loved me the CCG Starwars when i was in 7th grade, i loved spending all my money trying to find like c3po and all my favorite characters. DAMN those were the days. __________________ How much is y'all Piolkles?

10-19-2003, 09:14 AM	#31 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	its was maybe 7th of 8th grade and my friend and I started started doing th Stat Wars Card game thing, but could never figure out how to play! __________________ Watch More TV

10-19-2003, 05:08 PM	#32 (permalink)
CyCo PL Addict Location: Tulsa, OK	I never liked card games, unless you count stuff like poker. I got into pogs when I was 11 years old though! Woo, pogs!

10-21-2003, 06:58 PM	#33 (permalink)
NeverBorn I'm a pepper bitch..	speaking of magic..wtf are they doing to it.. its being destroyed. Some of these new cards are absolute powergaming crapfests

10-24-2003, 01:56 PM	#35 (permalink)
floonine Insane Location: Silicon Valley, Utah	Sorry, it seems too easy to be enjoyable. I don't know much about it I admit, but if the rules are the same in the cartoon's then the game isn't enough of a challenge. The cartoon is silly too... Yugi's medalion helps him fuckin cheat, and he uses it all the time, dick head. haha __________________ Political arguments do not exist, after all, for people to believe in them, rather they serve as a common, agreed-upon excuse. Foolish people who take them in earnest sooner or later discover inconsistencies in them, begin to protest and finish finally and infamously as heretics.