GakFace

Just got done playing some Desert Combat... Right up until I left, I was on a CTF Map with one spawn point per team. From there there were.... 2 Spawn points per team? About five of the enemy rushed out base and waited just outside of the base (behind the gates) and spawned killed us over and over and over and over and over and over..........

Now, They told me while I was "whining" (mind you, I couldn't do anything but talk seeing how I never had the chance to move so that I could play) that Spawn Killing is a Legit Strategy. Honestly is it a Legit Strategy? Sure you can Spawn Kill, and sure it prevents the opponent from doing anything, but by doing so.. are you playing the game? Honestly... if you are.. just what are you playing? I simply cannot find this to be a game when you spawn kill over and over. Where's the Skill? Where's the Honor? Where the.... Strategy?!?

If you DO decide to let me know that Spawn Killing is a Legit Strategy, let me tell you of ANOTHER "legit strategy." Next game, I think I'm going to switch teams and TK EVERYONE!!! Because My original team was blue, now I'm red.. so by killing red over and over.. Blue will win. I want blue to win, and thus this would be a legit strategy. You now can't turn around saying I'm wrong. My goal is still getting achieved.

So basically. What do you people think of spawn killing? From there, what do you think of Team Killing? Is this a new age of "Gamer's " or what?

Me, Personally?
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The only thing more obnoxious that the Spawn Camper is the Telefragger.

If your team took hold of their base and started spawn killing them, they would have "whined" about it.

Lasereth

Well, Desert Combat can be pretty basic when it comes to stuff like that. I ONLY play on servers that have this rule: the only time base camping is allowed is when the other team has ALL of the flags. If ya think about it...what's the other team supposed to do if they have all of the flags? Sit around and wait? No, they attack the enemy base.

Base-camping is fine as long as the enemy team has every flag. If they don't have every flag, then it's pathetic. People get kicked off of the servers I play on if they do. With .6L out, the spawn-copters are making it bad on most servers. A pilot will hover the spawn-point copter above the enemy base so our team can simply parachute in. That's fine and dandy IF WE HAVE ALL OF THE FLAGS! Most people do it anyway. Oh well, they get kicked pretty soon too.

So basically, spawn-camping is fine in Desert Combat if the other team has all of the flags. There's literally nothing else for that team to do except for attack your base. Spawn-camping is ONLY ok under those circumstances, though!

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Halx

I took up UT2k3 for like a month a little while ago.. I was going on old skillz from the original UT, so I impressed a lot of people, but I lost a lot of matches because I refused to spawn kill someone, but they had no reservations about doing it to me.

Oh well.

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NeverBorn

Thats a gamer ..Halx right there. Stick to your honor code man, those other guys are just assholes thats why I don't play many games online anymore, the communities suck and either egotistical retards who can't get their jollies any other way, cheaters, or whiny lil adolescents who can talk shit but cry to their mother if something happens or they lose.

GakFace

Yeah Lasereth. That is acceptable. But this was a CTF MAP! You aren't there to spawn, you're there to ENTER the base and take the flag.. not sit and wait... But yeah. ugh.

There is ONE more case where I find spawn killing acceptable. If you are trying to take over a base... JUST as the flag goes from ENEMY to NUETRAL.. if they spawn... You can't just ignore them, or else you die, and they reclaim the base. This case, you have to spawn kill and even then there may be too many of them for you to do successfully. It IS wrong though If you stay just outside of the flag capture area of effect and spawn... as no matter how long you sit there, you will NEVER claim the base as your own.

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The_Dude

yall should play cs, especially awp map.

never play there if there is no admin on the server.

and no, i dont spawn kill. i used to back in my n00b days, but i'm 1337 now.

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89transam

Yeah roger that, anyone who has played CS can relate Im sure. I usually try and get people to stop, but most of the time one or two people dont listen and ruin it for everyone.

I played tribes exactly once because of spawn killing, it was on some crazy unlimited ammo server and some guy thought it would be fun to constantly shell our base with Motors, he had something like 1000 kills....

Or return to castle Wolfenstein, with those damn freggin airstrkies is the base...espically in that Oasis map..


I dont spawn kill , its obiviously not how the game was meant to be played.

GakFace

The Tribes for the Unlimited Ammo? Thats the XL Mods.. infinate everything except life... so yeah that was easy to do.... Seriously I play Tribes2 all the time to this day! Great game, Join the normal game, RevMod2 Games, or Renegades. Either of those are a sure win. If you do either of the first two, join the Houston Vehicles server. One thing I simply LOVE about Tribes2.. is that I have yet to EVER be spawn killed.... Major Plus in my book.

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TinniT

Good thread;

I personally don't like campers of any kind. I prefer quake matches where people are running around. Battlefield 1942 matches, where strategy for taking over is big instead of people just holding defense until time runs out, and Counter-Strike games where peoplare actually *striking.* I've never played this Desert combat game you speak of, and I really don't FPS game all that much anymore. The only "spawn killing" that i find is legit is in MMORPGs like Everquest, for obvious reasons. But even then, it is quite obnoxious when you're raiding a dungeon, and get to the boss, and some level 65s vs your level 53 are sitting at an hour long timer spawn say to you "this spawn is camped."

Now. Telefragging, Spawn Camping, etc etc... I don't believe in it. in CS, i don't believe in Snipe Camping.. its weak and takes away from the element of the "STRIKE" of the game. Same thing with allowing others to spawn.

NOW. In games like battlefield 1942, sometimes it is necessary. you ahve to win territory, so if you've got someone from the allies on the Iwo Jima map on the Carrier, and its the last spawn, its a given that it is the last thing you strike. That is for selective games such as that.

When I'm playing quake style games, I never camp spawn points (which cycle in a predictable pattern on most 1 on 1 maps) unless the person accuses me of cheating. I truly hate people of that time. I *will* spawn camp them if they accuse me of tsomething that is completely invalid once, twice, or three times, but never more, unless they are a very big ass. I will simply run along, and do my busines. If they say something like "you suck" or "i bet you don't get any pussy irl" or "its fags like you that make this game stupid." because i'm winning in a *legit* fashion, i will spawn camp them for a moment and say something of the nature "<3 -- I'm just playing the game."

I'm nto the greatest twitch player, but i'm better than some. It bothers me when the people who are worse than me complain and don't instead ask for pointers. :-/

bermuDa

the nice thing about cs regarding spawn killing is since it works in rounds and you only spawn once per round, if there's no freezetime for the lamers to line up their shots, technically there is no spawn killing. But yeah, it's annoying in any game.

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copymachineboy

agreed.

The only server I usually play on enforces the no camping rule pretty strictly. It was weird to be on a different one where the server admin/clan members where most of the ones spawn camping.

But yes in a CTF map thats just fucking lamers trying to up their score. [b]Spawn[b] camping is lame under any circumstances. But also, in a game like Battlefield some 'camping' is expected.

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nukeu666

ive ben stuck with cs and q3 till now so i have no idea about spawnkilling

but nething to do with the sniper is L337

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Lasereth

Whoa, I didn't see the CTF the first time. Spawn-camping on a CTF map is simply ridiculous no matter the circumstances. The point is to get the flag back...not kill as many as you can! Kill players if you need to, but the flag is the primary objective!

You get the idea. Desert Combat is a mod for Battlefield 1942. Many people are saying it'll be much more popular than Counter-Strike soon. You should give it a shot! Download the .6F Desert Combat mod, I guarantee you'll like it.

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theburner

I feel for both sides of the arguement. If you get pushed back to your base you can't help but spawn kill. However, if you are the one at your base it really does suck.
Maybe developers should take note and provide TRUELY random spawns, instead of just 1,2 or 3 different areas.

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shakran

Online games generally suck. Tribes sucked because of the spawn killers and other cheaters. Even way back in the earlier days of online gaming, with Interstate 76, you always got the asshole with the hacked cars running around climbing vertical cliffs and sitting halfway up them where no one could get at them, but they had like 7 turreted 7.22mm guns that they'd pick everyone off with. I won't pay for an online-only game anymore because I've never found one that's immune to a bunch of losers taking over and ruining it for everyone else.

R_one

DC .6"L" is out? No wonder I haven't been able to connect to any games. I only have .6"F"

Lasereth

You're right, it's .6F. I haven't been at my computer in a month, so I forgot the version.

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bookerV

i only like to spawn camp when the other team does it to me first. i like to give them a taste of their own medicine, hoping vainly that they will realize how lame it is and wake up and stop doing it.

nothing is better than hearing them whine about it 2 minutes after they told you to quit whining about it.

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Prophecy

I've done that in online gaming before. If some guy named "I r00x" is spawning killing my team repeatedly I have no problem spawn killing his ass for the next twenty mins if he chooses to stay in the game. Of course I only spawn kill that one person and I let everyone know what I'm doing. Once the original offender leaves I'll go back to playing the game the way it was intended. Also I like finding camping snipers, lobbing a grenade into a camping sniper's hiding spot is almost as good as an ice cold glass of lemonade on a hot summer day.

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GakFace

Tribes is NOT filled with Spawn Campers, not Tribes2 at least,I play it a few times a week. Actually a lot of people have added in that you are invisible for a bout 3 seconds. More than enough time to run away. Also in a 60 player game you can't get spawned.. too much chaos.. Gotta go I'll finish this later.

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meh... i dont play online games anymore because of that.

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Spawn Killing is just a pathetic way to win for those who cannot win otherwise. Bastards

Dilbert1234567

you have to understand teh dirfrence between BF1942 and other FPS, in bf1942 the maps are huge, teh game is long and the tide turns due to the suply lines

its not like DOD where everyone spawn in the same exact place with in a 20 sq foot area. in bf1942 you spawn over an aproximat eigth of a mile. the difrence is that in dod you can wipe out the team in a quck couple of burst and the spawn point is usualy farther behind the final flag. in BF1942 the points are the final objective. whether or not you can capture the last flag, the game does not end until the tickets reaches 0 the objective is to kill the team. where as it is not fair to camp the uncapturable spawn when there are otehr flags to get, it is naturaly ok to camp the last flag.

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Im into the competitive Enemy Territory scene, and the is a game where "spawn camping" is an excellent strategic tool. That said, its only for matches, where a win is important to get no matter what you use. People who fire for effect at spawns, mortar, airstrike, w/e in pubs i cant help but think are statwhoring, but its also part of the game, and i hate it even more when ppl complain about it. If youre going to complain, go find another server with a lower skill level, or increase your skill so you dont get spawn killed. You are invincible for the standard 3 secs, so you really have no excuse, other than lack of skills. I dont play any other online games, so this wouldnt apply to anything except ET and maybe BF. Dont really even know much about UT.

sadatx

In Ghost Recon on certain maps spawn killing is just part of the game.

If you get two teams that are fairly matched then I say, why not?

It can be a challenge to get out of a spawn kill, but, in most every situation (in Ghost Recon at least), it is possible to do.

The problem lies with the players and clans who like to pick on newbies and other players with much less skill. I don't see where the fun is in spawn killing a newbies the entire ten minutes the game lasts, just so you can see how high you can push your kill count.

I say, if you're fairly match go ahead and spawn kill. But if it becomes clear you're up against some less skilled players then it's much more fun for everyone if you don't do it.

dragonhawk

In Unreal 2 -XMP, it is part of the game.
Sometimes you are trying to take back a spawn point, and it kicks in.
Still, from the spawner standpoint, it is usually easy to get out of being killed, and maybe save the spawn point for your team.
There are few "one shot" kills.
Plus, you can always try to spawn at another point.

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GakFace

Well yeah, if you're taking over a base.. you HAVE to spawn kill... simply because if you don't, you then die, and you don't get to take over the base that could be crucial to turning the tides in the game.

Aside from this though.. I can't stand people who spawn. I mean if you're evenly matched... why are you spawning? Evenly matched means that it should be a kick ass game.. by spawning you ruin that perfect balance.

All aside, I wish more games did something to prevent spawning. Like in tribes2... lots of people implemented about 3 seconds of invisibility.. so even if you do spawn, people don't know it so you can run off before they have a chance. In Purge... you are invulnerable until you move (don't move within a minute and it drops you), but then once you move you have about 6 seconds of invincibility, or a certain distance (so youcan't run across the map). As soon as you shoot it drops to about 2 seconds. This is great cause if you attempt to spawn them.. you'll die instead...
See with BF1942.. When I get spawned.. I die before my camera has a chance to switch to First Person.. its still in free look, and I die.. That's not right. 2-3 seconds of invulnrability or something so you can run away would be a lot nicer... but again it wouln't for when you take over a base and enemies spawn at the last possible second.. as then you can't kill them. Erg the limitation to keep a game cool sometimes end up leaving room for cheap "Gamers"

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BuddyHawks

What really chaps my ass in Desert Combat is when someone does circles over the respawn in a Little Bird Helicopter with the mini-gun and gets over 100 kills each game.

However, what I do find acceptable is taking the truck with 70 rockets on it and carpet bombing the area for about thirty seconds (when you run out of ammo). People start freaking out "What the fuck is that?!?!". lol

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I hate damn spawn killers, and in Halo for pc the other thing that bothers me, is people that run you over for every kill. All they have to do is hit you! I recently set up a voice server and my friends host games, PM me if you are interested in either.

Phaenx

I pretty much do whatever it is I feel like during FPS'. If I want to have the high score, I can do that easy enough, if I want to have fun, then I'll go goof off, if I want to piss people off then I'll do that as well.

Explosion pack spawn camping is funny. Stabbing a team mate in the face and running in the opposite direction while he plasters you with lead and gets grief points while I yell "TK!!" is fun as well.

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I will Spawn KIll you. I will Type Kill you. I will Grief you in any game you play with me :> ..

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Man/Amazing

I feel spawn killing is accetpable in some maps, but maps like the Coral Sea where some ppl spawn on the Carrier, i just hate when ppl deck bomb and just try to kill everybody and there spawn.

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I love playing against people that try to run me over, if you time things just right they'll drive past you everytime with touching you. In the mean time you can just pop them repeatedly with your pistol till they die.

Of course if they've mastered that slide in the Warthog it a lot harder not to get hit...

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yakimushi

Fuck it.

Kill anything that moves.

losthellhound

Spawn kills...

The bane of slow connections everywhere..

I hated spawn kills, and avoided them. The best implementation though was .. (and Im unsure what game it was exactly) the weapon where the first time you fire you throw a disk and the second time it warps you to where the disk was.. if you got it under someone's feet, you spawn killed them.. It was really hard to do but we had lots of matches where it was the only weapon..

Lots of fun

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Thats in UT2003, possibly one of the coolest weapons ever.

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