Is anyone else making a Lord of the Flies connection?

I've never seen Lord of the Flies. So, nope!

There are definitley ties to Lord of The Flies. A main character in each was named jack, a boar/monster in the forest, a bunch of people on a deserted island, the main group dividing in two.... These are all probably nods to Lord of the Flies, but they are also things that don't seem too out of place in context of this story, so I wonder how much of it is an intentional nod to Lord of the Flies. Anybody else with more insight on the matter? Maybe I should reread the book, but I have a stack of other reading material to get to first.

Man, where do you start with Charlie's metaphors in last night's episode? Charlie emerging from the hole in the ground just like the moth; Charlie announcing "I am a rock God" immediately prior to the rocks falling on him and Jack; the wild, squealing fans chasing rock-God Charlie juxtaposed with the wild, squealing boar chasing drug-addicted Charlie...

I'm starting to really follow Grancey's idea that the notion of the characters being "lost" actually has very little to do with the island.

Huh, I didn't even really catch onto the metaphors. Then again, I usually don't.

Who knocked Sayid upside the head? I think I was spoiled on another site about it...

Spoiler (?): Spoiler: The woman on the SOS tape is still alive. And CRAZY. And she knocked Sayid upside the head

And all the moths taking flight after Charlie tossed his drugs into the fire?

damn.. last night's was good...

And who did knock Sayid upside the head.. I though it was the same person mentioned in Averetts spoiler.. and that'd be pretty cool.. I can't think of who else it would be.

you aren't the only one. That was the first thing that popped into my head when people started choosing sides. Pretty foolish as others have mentioned as a 12 year old could come up with a workable solution to the "We must stay on the beach to watch the fires!" problem. I hope they don't go down that route and are just tossing that up there as a little red herring.

I'll say this for the show...at least it's not reality television and likely signals the death of that genre. Hurray!

Sayid looks to be doing just fine in the previews for next week...

ok so the kid reads a comic book with a polar bear in it, and suddenly there's a polar bear. locke wants to walk, he walks. charlie wants his guitar, he gets his guitar. michael says he'll look for the dog when it stops raining, it stops raining. charlie yells "i'm a bloody rock god!" and rocks fall down around him. this island seems to be like the Sphere from Michael Chrichton's great book / crappy movie, manifesting people's thoughts and wishes.

interesting idea tooblekane. Never saw it like that. I really liked the first couple episodes, but i don't think it is as good now. I'll keep watching cause i want to find out whats going on. Of course last time I did that i only got more confused, loved that Carnivale on HBO.

don't forget preggo girl & suddenly feeling her baby... & Sun now having a loving / caring husband...

is there something with kate always needing to move on & waiting to stay put on the beach?

Really good episode on Wed. The moth imagery was pretty obvious. I liked the coccoon story though. Pretty neat.

I am not buying the transmitter bit, however. It's a bit much.

And does anyone else think that Japanese girl is hot?

I wasn't going to read your spoiler, but it ended up in the quote :(. Anyway, it was conjecture that I've seen elsewhere anyway. I don't believe it.

I think it is pretty clear that Sawyer clubbed Sayid. He knew exactly where Sayid would be at 5:00, and it would have been simple enough for him to connect the fuse to the end of a cigarette. Light the cigarette, and X minutes later (I have no idea how long a cigarette burns), the fuse is lit and the firework goes off. This would explain (a) why they showed Sayid and Shannon lighting their fuses but didn't show Sawyer, and (b) why Sawyer's firework didn't go off right away (the fuse estimate was a little off).

The only question is, what the fuck is wrong with Sawyer?

Oh, and has anyone been to The First Unofficial Drive Shaft Fansite? :D It looks like it was done by the show, as there are some pictures that clearly couldn't have been photoshopped.

Actually she's Korean (character-wise and real life)

regarding my rebuke...

(In the voice of the starfish from "Finding Nemo)

I am ashamed.

ugh. great show concept, great setting, scenery, etc. i really like it and its the first show since 24 that i bothered to follow for any length.

that being said, whoever writes for this and alias should be shot for trying to pander to bloody morons. every episode within the first five minutes we have someone saying something to the effect that "were marooned on an island! we might never survive!" or another saying "the rescue team will be here any day now". these two characters subsequently debate about those topics, and so it repeats. that was one of my biggest peeves with last season of alias, the constant and obvious reinforcement of the shows topic, as if the person who were following the show have an untreatable condition that leaves one with no short term memory.

aside from that, i still enjoy the show and all that bit, hope it does well (well enough to get a msg to execs that the fucking reality shows need to go). i just wish jj abrams didnt take the majority of the viewing audience for dolts.

Charlie's tattoo: Living is easy with eyes closed. I think this applies to Charlie, as well as the other "lost" people. Charlie has, basically, been living his entire life with his eyes closed. Now, when he has begun to open his eyes his life has started to turn around...... when he had to look up to find his guitar, when he had to look to where Locke pointed to see the cocoon, and he had to use use his eyes crawling through the hole to reach Jack. This goes for the others as well. The Korean couple and the father & child seem to be "seeing" for the first time...

Sorry bout the spoiler showing up on the quotes! Interesting ideas there though, hadn't though of that....

Clearly Sawyer's parents never hugged him as a child ;)

And that DriveShaft page? Brilliant!

i still want to know what that large creature that killed the bore was...as for them splitting up into two groups...i think that is an okay plan..but they should rotate members every so often so those on the beach wont feel so isolated from the others

Sawyer couldn't have hit Sayid, because they didn't know when Sayid was going to light the rocket.
If you use a lit cigarette as a fuse, you only have so much time to run over to Sayid to ambush him, and you would need to know the exact moment the rocket would go off.
Even if he did have a time delay device, I don't believe he could have traversed the distance they needed for a good triangulation in the required time.
Too much terrain in his way. And, Sayid was up on a high plateau.

/may be talking out my ass ;)

Didn't you hear? Someone said it sounded familiar to them. And they can't see it, right?
It's Mr. Snuffaluffagus! :thumbsup:

She is definately most beutiful. I'm very intrigued as to how her relationship with the black guy (what he knows about her, etc.) will play out.

What is up with the book Watership Down in this show? It's a great book... but it hasn't been on the best seller list in a while...

I'm unaware of the story/plot in Watership Down. What's the storyline like? Maybe something in the book has some tie-in with the story the writers are trying to tell in Lost?

buncha rabbits moving and being eaten by dogs.

sawyer story.... very interesting twist that I wasn't expecting.

I was wondering why he's so messed up. lol

So do you suppose he was on the plane because he was running from the nice gentlemen in the poolhall? :p They may have said something about why, but I missed it if they did....

And...
Spoiler: I guess we finally get to meet the french lady who's voice was on the distress signal. I'm pretty sure she's the one who trapped and drugged Syiad in the preview for next week. I think I read somewhere that she's also the one who bonked him on the head while he was trying to triangulate the signal.

quite possibly, there was no "definitive" reason why he was in Australia unlike the other tales.

For viewers of "Lost" and "Desperate Housewives", did you notice the uncanny correlation of Sawyer's letter to the letter received by Mary Alice? ABC's two hit shows of the season.......................

Coolio observation Grancey. I did notice.

And for all you fans of Watership Down, which is a fantastic book, the story is about a society of rabbits who have been evicted from their warren and they have to travel for many miles to their new home. The story has a wide variety of political undercurrents, it talks about group dynamics, the rabbits run into different families aka societies of rabbits, the commies, the socialists, etc. The main group is the democratic group, with one leader who has a number of advisors. It's supposed to be a kids book, but it's excellent for adults as well.

edit - sorry this note is so all over the place. Hopefully someone who has read the book like I do can back me up in a more clear coherent post.

I didn't see the Sawyer twist coming. Very well done by the writers. I adore this show. I want to marry it and have lots of babies.

:love:

This bugged me for a while until it finally hit me:

Does the Sawyer character remind anyone else of Brad Pitt's character in "Thelma and Louise"? Not only looks, but accent/voice, the quirky smirk, the bad boy persona...

I'm going to stick with the show, but the last few episodes have only been OK. I haven't had a 'holy shit!' moment since Locke's flashback episode. I figure that they are just setting us up for something even bigger.

My favorite speculation so far (I'll spoilerize it, but I haven't seen any confirmation on it): Notice how we haven't heard anything out of the Beast since it came face-to-face with Locke?
Spoiler: Some think that the spirit of the Beast now possesses Locke, and he is now molding each of the characters to do something, who knows what. This really fits in with Locke's conversation with Sayid this episode.

Sawyer's reveal wasn't Holy Shit? It was for me. I didn't see it coming. I still think he's a swarmy bastard though....


Not reading spoiler... not reading.... Gah this is hard. Locke ate the beast? Locke and the beast became one? Not reading!!!

No, I saw Sawyer's reveal as 'OK, that makes sense' rather than 'holy shit!". And he's an asshole and I'm glad that he got beat up, but on the other hand, that was a serious breakdown in law-and-order. And that moment at the end, where Sawyer didn't burn the letter; 'Nah, I think I'll keep being an asshole'. That was a nice touch.

Yeah I liked that he didn't burn it as well. He needs that letter to continue being who he is. That letter is all he's got.

The torture scene though? That was hard to sit through.

did kate seem to enjoy the kiss a little too much?

I think she knew exactly what she was doing. Remember, she is accustomed to having power over men (marshall: "she got to you also?"). For the last couple of episodes, Saywer has had the upper hand in their conversations, and you could see the annoyance on her face. I think she pretended to get lost in the moment, so Sawyer would think he had "won", and that would affect his judgment.

/my woman is not manipulative