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Averett 09-23-2004 04:49 AM

Lost (possible spoilers)
 
Did anyone catch this last night?

Oh.
My.
God.

So good! So so very good. I'm not sure that I actually breathed during the entire hour. Basically the idea is this place crashes on an island, and theres some weird creature on the island that freaks everyone out.

The pilot was split into two parts, part 2 airs next week, and ABC I think is showing both parts together on October 2nd. This show is good. Seriously. Watch it.

Dog of Doom y'all.... Dog of Doom.

Bill O'Rights 09-23-2004 05:49 AM

Yeah...I was entertained.
I am concerned that it may get ridiculous real fast, though. I mean...c'mon, what the hell is that thing that's trampling the trees, and tearing surviving flight crew from the cockpit? :hmm: Did they crash on Isla Nublar (Jurassic Park), or what?
Still...it looks like it has a lot of promise (other than that), and Kate's a babe. :D

warrrreagl 09-23-2004 05:55 AM

Holy crap! The wife and I settled down to watch what we thought would be Gilligan meets Survivor, and we were BLOWN AWAY!

The dog is definitely a big deal somehow. Also, in the flashback before the crash, who was the guy running up the aisle to the bathroom? Was that Charlie, and wasn't he acting funny in the bathroom when they found the cockpit section? What did you make of the comment that someone was positive they'd heard that sound somewhere before? And they guy who sits on the beach and puts orange sections into his mouth?

I spent the first five minutes trying to remember where I'd seen Jack before, and I finally placed him as Charlie from Party of Five.

This show is loaded with Stephen King influence. Langoliers, Dark Tower, etc.

maleficent 09-23-2004 05:56 AM

I didn't watch because it sounded too close in premise to the show on a few years back about the plane that crashes in the Amazon -- hmmm -- guess I'll have to tune in...

Averett 09-23-2004 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrrreagl
The dog is definitely a big deal somehow. Also, in the flashback before the crash, who was the guy running up the aisle to the bathroom? Was that Charlie, and wasn't he acting funny in the bathroom when they found the cockpit section? What did you make of the comment that someone was positive they'd heard that sound somewhere before? And they guy who sits on the beach and puts orange sections into his mouth?

I spent the first five minutes trying to remember where I'd seen Jack before, and I finally placed him as Charlie from Party of Five.

Okay, here's my thoughts:

Dog - Yeah, gonna be a big deal. Dog of Doom!!

Charlie - Pretty sure that was him running down the aisle. I'm thinking he's got himself a little coke habit. Notice he went back into the bathroom when Charlie, Jack and Kate were in the crashed cockpit?

The Comment - I don't remember that, actually. But in things like this theres always that "I've seen/heard something like that before" aspect.

Orange Guy - That part creeped me out!

Jack - Yup, Charlie from Party of Five. I have to remember that he's not Charlie on this show... He's so pretty though. Shirtless Jack. Yeah, we'll need more of that.


From what I've heard, the whole first season takes place over 1 month. My worry is how long they can keep the series going. It's great so far, but can it last? I really hope so. It would really make for a great mini-series I think, but I hope ABC gives it a shot and lets JJ Abrams do his thing.


Mal, watch this show! It's really really good.

Bill O'Rights 09-23-2004 06:26 AM

A.) Didn't catch that Jack was "Charlie" from Party of Five, but then again, when I was watching Party of Five, it wasn't Charlie that I was focusing on. ;)

B.) Yeah, I also caught that they were focusing an inordinant amount of attention on that Golden Lab. :hmm:

C.) I was also thinking cocaine habit for Charlie.

D.) Shirtless Jack, hell. How about a shirtless Kate? Any doubt that these two are gonna be getting it on within...oh, say...3 more episodes? Tops.

onetime2 09-23-2004 06:40 AM

I caught it too and thought it was pretty good. I'll withold judgement for another episode or two though.

The monster thing is a little bizarre and I hope they don't make the show too ridiculous.

I don't think the dog will end up meaning too much though. Probably something like he/she was on the plane as well and once found by Matt (that's the party of five guy's name right?) the dog will probably lead him to the monsters lair or to some other important place.

In USA today they said that the Asian couple only spoke Korean but it seemed more like Japanese to me. Anyone know for sure?

Anyway, I look forward to next week's show.

absorbentishe 09-23-2004 07:11 AM

I only caught the tail end of it. I wish I would have remembered it was on. I'll catch the second part next week.

cartmen34 09-23-2004 07:15 AM

The monster is Godzilla. Why else would the japanese couple be so scared? :p

I also loved the start. Really sucked me in. And speaking of being sucked in, I also liked the engine that was still running on the beach. I told the wife that someones getting sucked into that thing for sure....and sure enough...bam! Some dork gets sucked in.

And isn't there some general rule that airlines have which says that a woman who is almost to term with her pregnancy cannot fly? I don't know really, but I'm not sure the airlines would have let that pregnant woman fly in that condition. :confused:

cartmen34 09-23-2004 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
D.) Shirtless Jack, hell. How about a shirtless Kate? Any doubt that these two are gonna be getting it on within...oh, say...3 more episodes? Tops.

Did you watch the previews for next week? They showed a flash of Kate standing on the beach in a bra and black thong panties. :crazy: :thumbsup:

FaderMonkey 09-23-2004 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartmen34
Did you watch the previews for next week? They showed a flash of Kate standing on the beach in a bra and black thong panties. :crazy: :thumbsup:


http://www.fadermonkey.com/tfp/lost-kate.jpg

cartmen34 09-23-2004 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaderMonkey

FaderMonkey = my hero. thanks for the pic! :crazy:

warrrreagl 09-23-2004 07:56 AM

I forgot to ask this earlier, but I'll give it a go now. How can the first episode of a serial drama be considered to be a "two-parter?" Isn't it just simply episode one and episode two, aired a week later?

It would be different if the second part were aired the same night or maybe the next night. But next week?

Averett 09-23-2004 07:59 AM

The pilot was 2 hours long, warrreagle. For some reason stupid ABC split it up. And instead showed a 2 hour Bachelor :rolleyes:

Cynthetiq 09-23-2004 08:23 AM

it's on the Tivo :) looking forward to seeing it.

Troublebot 09-23-2004 10:18 AM

Really enjoyed the first episode. It's too early to make to many guesses, but I'll throw some of mine in anyway. :)

I think Charlie+ Drug problem is a red herring. Way too obvious. However, I think he left something in that front bathroom and that's why he was so anxious to go with Jack and Kate.

Rumor has it that not everyone who is on the beach was on the plane...

Did anyone notice while jack was giving his "count to five" speech that there was a tatoo on his shoulder with the number 5 in it? Just wondering.

I just hope they don't kill off the fat guy too soon. Lord, the fat guy is always one of the first to go.

Averett 09-23-2004 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troublebot
Did anyone notice while jack was giving his "count to five" speech that there was a tatoo on his shoulder with the number 5 in it? Just wondering.

I'm not sure if the tattoo is something the actor, Matthew Fox, actually has. If it is, it could be in reference to his old series, Party of Five.


Oh, and if people have spoiler type things, PLEASE use spoiler tags!!! I'm doing my best to keep myself from being spoiler free with this show. To do this all you have to do is [ spoiler ]Inside info[ /spoiler ] (but without the spaces)

Like this....
Spoiler: Dog of Doom!!!

onetime2 09-23-2004 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troublebot
Rumor has it that not everyone who is on the beach was on the plane...

I was thinking the same thing. Spoiler: That old guy with the oranges or whatever probably crashed there previously. There's got to be a reason that being in a group protects the people somehow since the "monster" wouldn't come near the whole group.

It's definitely some kind of Bermuda triangle type thing where others have crashed or been stranded there before.

cartmen34 09-23-2004 10:44 AM

So where (other than the TFP) are you getting your spoilers from?

I ask so that those of us who want to be spoiled can be. ;)

Averett 09-23-2004 10:54 AM

www.televisionwithoutpity.com has a forum for Lost. Basically it's a website devoted to TV shows. And it's awesome :)

Fremen 09-23-2004 02:17 PM

I absolutely loved it. Great show, imo. :thumbsup:
Here's my theory on the monster:
It's a rogue elephant that somehow was washed up on the island and has slowly gone crazy. (it could happen) ;)

The guy that ran by Jack on the plane was definitely Charlie.
(I taped it starting from when the large gent was passing out food and slow-moed it through the scene.)

Wasn't this plane out of Fiji? If so, they might have different policies regarding pregnant women.

Can't wait for the next one.

Edit:
p.s. Oh yeah, I have a theory on the plane's crash. It was sabotage.

radioguy 09-23-2004 02:32 PM

I loved it also.

The dog - is it possible he is a seeing eye dog for the old guy with an orange in his mouth? I found it odd that he was just sitting on the beach while it was raining. To me, it was like he didn't know how to get anywhere since he was out of his normal area. Just my thoughts. I thought the scratch above and below his eyes made him look like a mime without the makeup when he smiled with the orange in his mouth. I laughed out loud!

Great show, I'm finally going to watch a series on television. I haven't done that since the beginnings of ER.

The monster/weird thing in the jungle is my only concern of this show getting "stupid". Please don't happen!

maleficent 09-23-2004 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartmen34
And isn't there some general rule that airlines have which says that a woman who is almost to term with her pregnancy cannot fly? I don't know really, but I'm not sure the airlines would have let that pregnant woman fly in that condition. :confused:

Flying while pregnant

Quote:

Domestic airlines prohibit women from flying after the 36th week of pregnancy, and most foreign airlines have a cutoff of 35 weeks gestation – to avoid the unpleasant possibility of giving birth en route.
However it's a television show, adds to the drama :)

Roark 09-24-2004 02:30 AM

I thought either Charlie had/has a coke habit and/or something to do with the crash especially since he was running down the aisle towards the cockpit (ie bathroom perhaps he hid something, drugs or whatever, there before the crash and got it back when they found the front half of the plane).

Isn't the dog the little black boys? I thought it was kinda implied because he had said something about him and the dad said he would be okay or something like that.

Could be wrong.. Alot better that I thought it would be definitely stick around for the next episode.

Willravel 09-24-2004 09:02 AM

I've gotta say that Gilligan's Island meets Jurasic Park 3 is an original idea. I'd like to see other pairings of this sort. Star Wars meets Bewitched, Forest Gump meets Gone with the Wind, the Matrix meets the Munsters (thinking Grandpa is Morpheus and Herman is the One), Glory meets Sanford and Son, and Family Ties meets Gladiator. You are welcome, ABC.

quest1mark 09-24-2004 11:54 AM

the whole time i was thinking the island of dr. mereoue. but..nonetheless i cant wait till next week.

cartmen34 09-24-2004 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
www.televisionwithoutpity.com has a forum for Lost. Basically it's a website devoted to TV shows. And it's awesome :)

Awesome indeed. thanks Averett!!

maximusveritas 09-24-2004 09:17 PM

I thought I saw two guys in uniform, probably flight attendents, chasing Charlie after he bumps into Jack. There's something more to it than him just doing coke in the bathroom.

I thought the orange guy was interesting, he looked alot like Marlon Brando who of course did the same bit in The Godfather.

It wasn't anything special, but it was well done. It's normally hard for a show like this to maintain the suspense level as it continues, but as BOR said, the promise is there.

amonkie 09-25-2004 06:07 AM

I read a little bit about the show in our local newspaper, and their description of the "monster": Spoiler: according to them, it's a polar bear

Haven't had a chance to see the show yet, due to a lovely night class. Looks like I'm missing out.

Fremen 09-25-2004 03:36 PM

Amonkie, according to these articles, the thing you mentioned was in addition to the giant creature. :)

Spoiler: There’s a polar bear that doesn’t seem to belong on the South Pacific island on which the characters are stranded. There also seems to be something Kong-size lurking in the distance, but neither we nor the characters get any kind of real look at it. We just see huge chunks of forest getting stomped down. And Greg Grunberg, who cameos as the crashed plane’s pilot, is viciously snacked upon by something both colossal and unglimpsed.

Here's two links to different reviews and interviews with one of the writers.
They contain spoilers and semi-spoilers.
Also, I would have copy/pasted them here, but they are just too damned long.
You'll just have to excersize your finger. ;)

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18025

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18187

Averett 09-25-2004 04:27 PM

Thanks for the spoiler tag usage guys, I do appreciate it! Hopefully I can stay spoiler free.. I'm so tempted to look though :|

amonkie 09-25-2004 04:32 PM

The easiest way to do that Averett, would to be resist the temptation to click on the thread at all! :p Be strong, we'll try not to tempt you any more :)

alicat 09-25-2004 09:19 PM

I am so geeked for this show to succeed. This is the first show since the first CSI (imho) that is truly original. I thought the first episode was a bit overly dramatic and so did my hubby (he was watching a sporting event in another room and was flipping over to "Lost" during commercials, which says a ton 'cuz he never watches t.v. "series" but was interested in "Lost").

I hope they tone it down a little so I can actually get my hubby to watch the show with me. That said....

The first episode had sooo many overtones of Stephen King and/or Michael Crighton. Does anyone know if either of them are invovled with the show?

First off: The engines running on the beach. Neither I or Hubby are experts but he watches Discovery Wings all the time and plays with that Flight Simulator all the time. He said that there is no way the engines, separated from the plane, and therefore their fuel source, could have gone on running that long. I don't know, but logically that makes sense to me (and I was thinking that while watching the show). If that's possibly true, then the guy that got sucked into the engine was just a drama ploy (because it was maybe 1/2 hr. after the plane crashed, givin Jack's supposed blackout time to when he wandered onto the beach and then the time lapse before the engine sucking happend).

The orange guy: The thought, that a couple of you have said, about him being a previous crash survivor is interesting. I didn't come to any conclusions, except that he was too much like a (again) Stephen King or Dean Koontz character to even begin to guess where he might fit in. He's weird, vaigue and didn't even try to interact with anyone.

The dog: See right above

Charlie: It's just cool to see Merri or Pippen (which ever one he is) in an American tv show!! I didn't put too much thought into his character until they were in the nose of the plane. I noticed he was gone by the time the other two got to the cockpit, but didn't even think to atribute it to drugs. I thought he/it was along the lines of the orange guy/dog/Jurassic Park creature in the woods, ala SK, DK or MC (see above), weird and an unknown.

The fat guy: I agree, I hope he's not one of the characters that buys it early on. That'd be one step towards body acceptance in this world if he stayed. I'm not holding my breath though, he was in the first episode but had a bit part and nothing that cemented him to the main story.

The "Creature in the Jungle": This I think they could've done without. The premise is drama enough, can anyone say "Castaway?". I love Sci-Fi or Adventure Fiction as much as the next person, but really, don't these people have enough on their plates to deal with without adding some "scary" beast in the jungle to their burden? I hope it quickly becomes some weird monkey/elephant freak hybreed that they confront and kill and is then out of the picture. I just can't see this show lasting beyond a season or two with the "beast" not killed quickly. I really hope they eventually focus on the people that are on the island (please, otherwise my hubby won't take to it and it'll become a weekly Wed. night battle over who has to watch the 13" tv! :D ).

Ali

radioguy 09-25-2004 09:56 PM

alicat - i actually like the addition of the creature. to me, it adds to the show. they can't just worry about being rescued, they have to worry about surviving the jungle. every trip in to gather food and fire wood will be a risk. i like it, as long as it isn't some godzilla like creature or something WAY over the top.

K-Wise 09-27-2004 12:27 AM

Okay what the hell are you guys talking about? Haha I never watch ABC but I got a feeling I'm missing out on something. Actually I'm not even sure I have it. Are they gonna air this thing again? I'll try and catch it if they are.

Asta!!

Averett 09-27-2004 03:08 AM

The 2nd part of the pilot airs this Wednesday. ABC will air both parts on Saturday night. Probably 8-10.

Troublebot 09-27-2004 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fremen
Here's two links to different reviews and interviews with one of the writers.
They contain spoilers and semi-spoilers.
Also, I would have copy/pasted them here, but they are just too damned long.
You'll just have to excersize your finger. ;)

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18025

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18187

I always read the last pages of a book and find my self peeking at presents so it was no surprise to me when I clicked on those links. (Hey, I'm not addicted to heroin so I have to have some vices.) :D

Now I can't wait till the next episode. Thanks Fremen! :thumbsup:

Grancey 09-27-2004 12:20 PM

The plane was way off course, so could the crash have been intentional to bring these people to the island for some reason.......? Could the "monster" actually be man-made? These are just random thoughts.....

Averett 09-27-2004 12:21 PM

Shit, I think I spoilered myself. I read something on another board by accident. I hate people who don't use spoilter tags :mad:

I'm glad you guys are though! Please please keep using them! And "speculation" too, put those in spoiler tags! This thread would suck for me if I found out whats going to happen. It would make me very sad :(

K-Wise 09-28-2004 02:04 AM

Hey thanx Ave

Asta!!

Redlemon 09-28-2004 04:46 PM

OK, you guys have convinced me to set up a recording for Saturday. But, how many episodes are there supposed to be for this? I want to know what I'm getting myself into here...

Averett 09-28-2004 06:39 PM

It's a series. So if it's a full season (hopefully!) it'll be somewhere between 18-22 episodes or so. The pilot was 2 hours so they split it into 2.

Averett 09-29-2004 04:06 PM

Christ this show is intense. 6 minutes in and my heart is racing again!

I love this show. I want to marry it and have its babies.

Fremen 09-29-2004 07:21 PM

Man!! This show don't hold back!
Usually, they keep you guessing about the good stuff til half-way through the season, but in this, it's bamm!, bamm!, bamm!, secret, secret, secret.

I like that it can make shivers crawl up my spine, especially with the Spoiler: radio distress-signal revelation.
And that p-bear scene was kick-ass. :D

Anybody notice in Charlie's flashback scene he was walking down the aisle, instead of running like in Jack's flashback?
Do you think it was shown that way because it was from his perspective, or am I reading too much into it?
Btw, what kind of drug was he taking? It looked kinda like brown sugar.

RonRyan85 09-29-2004 07:23 PM

I am watching LOST because it is a creation from the same man that did
ALIAS* and it was good for the first 2 years. I like LOST so far and I know it
has to have a few mistakes in the story but wonder if you have found the
same ones that I have?* J.J Abraims??

1. Plane has violent actions in flight and the whole rear section of tail rips
off and plane crashes on island beach area? (Seems to me any such
disaster to an aircraft would make the crash so complete that there
would not be any survivors.) I can see a plane landing on the beach
with wheels up and having the wings torn off and having a number of
the passengers surviving.

2. Seems like the people would gather all manner of wood, tree limbs, and
anything that would burn and build a big bonfire/signal fire if they could
not get any radio or tranceiver to work.

3. WHY are they said to be 1000 miles off course? Were the pilots drunk or
were they blown off their route by a hurricane? (I know they need to be
out of any search planes to have more time on the island and produce 13
weeks of story.)

alicat 09-29-2004 07:49 PM

Averett: I'm right there with ya! Like I said before, I think this is one of the best shows (non-reality) that has happened to network t.v. in along time.

This show rules!! So now we know that Kate was the (criminal?) that the fed. Marshall was escorting (but the islanders don't). There is atleast one Polar Bear on the island (I digress, but, the producers didn't see fit to show any of the animal as it attacked, and only showed a slightly realistic looking taxidermy type animal that was supposed to be a Polar Bear after it was shot and killed.

I love the acting, setting, movie-like cinematography and whatnot...But I can't help but notice they've really skimped on things like: No outside views and/or effects of the actual plane crash, only flash-back shots from the inside of the plane as the (what?) happened to it. And when the pilot was grabbed from the cockpit, we never actually see anything besides his body being jerked up and out of the plane, not even a glimpse of what pulled him out. Then there's also what I said about the polar bear above. All in all though, that's just nitpicking, I really love the show and will be an avid watcher until the network inevitably yanks it off the air before giving it a fair chance.

One question I still have (among many) though is: Walt supposedly has a labrador that was on the plane. Jack saw a lab when he first came to in the jungle right after the crash. Walt and (I think) his dad talk to Jack and Jack asks them about a lab and then states he saw one/him in the jungle. Are the powers that be that write the show assuming that "we" will just assume there is just one dog/lab on the island. I find it hard to believe a dog would come through a plane crash alive (48 humans as well), but assuming one could, would he be uninjured? I think Walt's dog died in the crash or is still alive but somewhere else on the island (if it is an island) and the yellow lab seen so far was already on the island and means much more than it appears.

Locke, the orange in mouth guy: He still is an unknown but after tonight he doesn't seem so menacing and an unknown, just weird.

Charlie: Definately has a drug problem (herion?) that explains a bit and I no longer think he is a sinister part of the show, just a druggie that was/is freaking out about his next fix.

Hurley: So glad to see the fat guy has still made it to the second part of the pilot. His character seems to be the humble everyman type person. I'd rather see Boone's sister (the stuck-up blond who whines, gives herself a pedicure and insists on being a part of the "trek" up the mountain) die or get eaten before Hurley does!

The Korean couple: What gives with these two?! He's domineering like all get out and she doesn't seem the subservient type at all. Instead she looks at him with digust and what seems like loathing and anger. They're on a freakin' deserted island, if she hates/detests/or something other, him that much, why is she continuing to "obey" him? She could just walk away and join the rest of the people. She also looks at the suchi he prepared like she'd rather eat cat-poop, not because he made it but rather, it seemed, because she wouldn't or couldn't eat it. They are deffinatly a strange pair...

Spoiler: The looped message in French: So they heard an obscure message by a woman, in french, that doesn't tell them anything except "It" killed them all. And Sayid "thinks" it add's up to 16 yrs. that it's been transmitting. That could be meant that it "has" been 16 yrs. or that just due to his possibly faulty math, it "might" be 16 yrs. I read on another site from someone in France that what (Shannon?) the blond bitch, translates isin't all that's said. There's also something said in the loop about "Go to the Black Rock". This person is and speaks french so I trust they can understand what's being said in the taped loop during the show. That being said, why would the producers have the actor in english only translate part of the message when the show is mainly a US program? That's assuming this french person knows what they're saying.

All in all, I'm hooked and can't wait for a weekly dose of "Lost". If anyone is curious, just do a Google search and you'll find quite a few sites already devoted to Lost, and a lot of spoilers also (so consider yourselves warned!).

Ali

Seething 09-29-2004 07:59 PM

Oh wow! This is the ONLY tv show that has kept me so glued to the tv set. During both episodes shown so far, I've found myself unable to get up, do something else, or even look away from the tv. If they're able to keep this up, it may be one of the best shows ever. Just....wow...

Fremen 09-29-2004 08:21 PM

alicat, would you please put a spoiler tag around a good bit of that?
Some people haven't seen it yet.

guthmund 09-29-2004 09:00 PM

I was waiting to reserve judgement until I saw the second installment.

This show is, by far, one of the better new shows this season. It's got this patina of "weird," and enough goosebump moments to make me want to know more.

I also like the idea that they didn't show anything when the pilot was ripped out. It makes it much more frightening to not know what's lurking on the island and what "it" is. Too many shows jump the gun in this respect and I certainly appreciate that whoever is writing/producing this has decided to take the long route in developing the story.

I only hope it can keep up with my expectations and doesn't turn "stupid."

Averett 09-30-2004 03:06 AM

Yeah, alicat, please remember to use spoiler tags on things that you are speculating about. That bit about the transformer wasn't all on the show, and it might be key information. And I don't want to know about it before it happens, as I'm sure others don't.

This is the kind of show that is ruined for a lot of people once you figure out what's going to happen next. Part of what will keep me tuned in is that aspect of "What's going to happen next??"

K-Wise 09-30-2004 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
Christ this show is intense. 6 minutes in and my heart is racing again!

I love this show. I want to marry it and have its babies.

What about Chris Carrabba?
http://image2.sina.com.cn/ent/p/d/20...0903165215.JPG

That reminds me of that Tiny Toons Summer Vacation movie where the big croc man wants Buster Bunny to marry his 3 daughters and he's like "I can't marry all three of them! Thats bigamy!" and the croc is like "No son that big a me!" That was totally irrelevent wasn't it? :| Oh well

This bunny's name is Buster Bunny too! :D
http://www.bhrabbitrescue.org/Rainbow/Buster-Bunny.jpg

Asta!!

warrrreagl 09-30-2004 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fremen
alicat, would you please put a spoiler tag around a good bit of that?
Some people haven't seen it yet.

We need to get straight on the spoiler tag. As I see it, it is not out of bounds to openly discuss scenes that have already been aired. If some TFPers have taped or TiVo'd it and haven't seen it yet, then they should NOT read this thread until after they view it. Simple common sense.

I don't feel any compulsion to put a spoiler tag around something that has already been aired coast-to-coast. Otherwise, we'll never be able to discuss anything about the show, and this thread needs to be closed down.

If this is not agreeable, then I propose we have two separate "Lost" threads; one where we can have rational, intellectual discussions about the ramifications of certain scenes in each episode, and another where people can post things like, "Matthew Fox is hot," and "What a cool show, " and the ever-popular "When will she do a bikini scene?" without worrying about spoilers.

Averett 09-30-2004 04:19 AM

I love you too K-wise ;)

Mmmm Chris Carraba...

Oh wait, Lost, right? I agree with you, warrrreagle. If you haven't watched the show yet, don't check out the thread. But alicat did post some "spoiler-esque" type information in her post, and that's what I'd like to see put in spoiler tags.

As far as what happens on the show, I think that's fair game. Just be aware that we very well will discuss the show right after it airs here on the East coast. So those of you who are in other time zones, just be aware.

MikeyChalupa 09-30-2004 05:20 AM

Being from New York and transplanted to Norfolk, I'm all for the East-Coast bias! But still, it's not totally fair to the whackos over on the west coast. If you want them to use spoiler tags before the show airs, then you should have to wait for the show to air for them before discussing the episode they haven't had a chance to watch yet. Granted it's only an hour or two but it's not their fault and they can't control when the show airs.

Oh yeah... Spoiler: I have a 12" penis.

-Mikey

Averett 09-30-2004 05:25 AM

Well yeah, but they should realize that the rest of us might want to discuss it, and not check out the thread until after they've seen it. Makes sense to me!


Spoiler! Spoiler: I just wanted to use the spoiler tags. Dog of Doom!!!

Bill O'Rights 09-30-2004 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
Part of what will keep me tuned in is that aspect of "What's going to happen next??"

Part of what will keep me tuned in is the aspect of hoping to see Kate in her bra and panties again. :D

Averett 09-30-2004 06:41 AM

Girlfriend could use a couple of sammiches though ;)

Maybe they should have dragged the polar bear down to the beach? Dems good eatins!

alicat 09-30-2004 08:14 AM

Sorry guys, in the future I will refrain from posting about the show until it is done airing on the west coast, big brain fart, I just didn't think. Once it's finished airing I agree with Warrrreagl, we should be able to discuss what happened in the episode. Otherwise, what's the point of this thread?

As far a speculation goes, it's just that, speculation. What I posted about the show is simply my thoughts, ideas and questions about the episode, much like what alot of others in this thread have done, only a bit more rammbling :lol:. I have no inside knowledge, I'm just as much in the dark as everyone else is.

The exception in my last post is what I said about the part of the looped message not spoken that I had read about on another site. I can see how that could possibly be a spoiler for future episodes and I will certainly edit that with spoiler tags.

If someone would please help me out, I've never used spoiler tags before. Averett wrote: "To do this all you have to do is [ spoiler ]Inside info[ /spoiler ] (but without the spaces)". Simple enough but I don't understand what spaces in bold I should leave out. Thanx for the help anyone!

Ali

Edit by Bill O'Rights - I've gone ahead and and fixed it for you, but go ahead and scroll up to it, click the edit button, and look at the change that I've made at the beginning and end of your next to last paragraph. It's just as simple as that. :)

Averett 09-30-2004 09:02 AM

Ali, the spaces you need to leave out are the ones in the spoiler tags. Like this... {spoiler}Info{/spoiler} but with [] instead. Does that help?

Spoiler: It should look like this, try it out!

Oh, I see Bill explains it too. I should read more carefully! And to read a spoiler tag you just highlight the spoiled information.

alicat 10-02-2004 08:27 PM

Averett: Thanks for clarifying that for me, now I get it. I know how to view spoilers, just not how to post them.

Bill O'Rights: Thanks to you too, just noticed your edit in my post! I think maybe you and Averett crossed over with your posts! But, I don't see how the first three sentences of the last paragraph that you edited qualify as a spoiler. Those first three sentences are just rumination (or speculation or guessing) on my end about what was shown and happened in the 2nd. episode, and not spoiler type info. I truly appreciate your help, however, you edited my post for me in a way I don't think is quite right (although that is of course, up to you) and I don't know how to go back in my post and "unspoiler" the part that isin't a "spoiler" to begin with (if that makes sense?!). The only possible spoiler part is the 4th. sentence that starts with "I read on another site....". As I stated in my last post that is the part I would gladly put in spoiler tags because it isin't my own supposition, but something I gleaned from another source, whether correct or not.

I love this site and the show this thread is about, so I just want to be sure what goes and doesn't go when discussing something like this in the entertainment forum. As of right now, I'm a bit confused.

Ali

MikeyChalupa 10-03-2004 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
Maybe they should have dragged the polar bear down to the beach? Dems good eatins!

Except for their liver, which is poisonous. One of the very few things I remember from a Navy correspondence course on survival I did once.

-Mikey

maleficent 10-03-2004 01:58 PM

So I finally got to watch the show yesterday -- and y'all are correct - I'm hooked - goooooood show...

but some of it was a little bit icky -- (and that doctor person is just F-I-N-E - -FINE!!!)

Fremen 10-03-2004 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyChalupa
Except for their liver, which is poisonous. One of the very few things I remember from a Navy correspondence course on survival I did once.

-Mikey

That aroused my curiosity, so I went looking for more info...

Quote:

You find polar bears in practically all arctic coastal regions, but rarely inland. Avoid them if possible. They are the most dangerous of all bears. They are tireless, clever hunters with good sight and an extraordinary sense of smell. If you must kill one for food, approach it cautiously. Aim for the brain; a bullet elsewhere will rarely kill one. Always cook polar bear meat before eating it.

CAUTION

Do not eat polar bear liver as it contains a toxic concentration of vitamin A.

http://www.survivaliq.com/survival/c...rvival_s10.htm

Quote:

ANIMALS / Polar Bear

Some Inuit tribes believed that polar bears were mystical creatures - half man, half animal. They told tales about bears that walked upright, shedding their skins at night and living as men do. When a polar bear was killed, the skin would be displayed in the home for several days, with tools and other gifts placed before it. Hunters believed that bears would sacrifice themselves to hunters in order to gain use of these tools in the afterlife, and that the bear's spirit would return to tell other bears which hunters treated it with respect.

Virtually every part of the bear was used, from the meat and bones to the fur. The only part that was thrown away was the liver, so poisonous as to make even the sled dogs ill.
http://www.arctickingdom.com/animals...ar_hunting.htm

Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the info, Mikey. :thumbsup:

choskins 10-03-2004 05:05 PM

I love this show so far! Looking forward to Desperate Housewives too.

Palamidian 10-03-2004 05:12 PM

So far this is a great show, and i almost never watch anything on TV.

Anyways, this is what i think will end up happening....Spoiler: I was discussing it with a friend and we came to the conclussion that the polar bears were on the plane crash the happened there 16 years ago. The bears excaped and killed everyone except for the French lady who ran the loop, probably her too later on :hmm: . Then the bears the adapted to the island, thriving due to the large amounts of prey to feed upon. Thus, they grew into enourmus, blood craving, behemoths, for polar bears are the most aggresive bears towards humans in real life, as well as already being the biggest four legged carnivores on earth. In addition, i don't see how the polar bear that was killed could be the only one there, for they said it looked young, especially if the huge monster(s) is a polar bear. If the polar bear was young then how would it get there and be the only one? After all if i penguin can survive on the Galapagose Islands, why can't a polar bear survive near Fiji :lol:

Well those are my thoughts so far about the monster, and I'm hoping that i could possibly get some more feedback on that teory here at TFP.

CityOfAngels 10-04-2004 12:57 AM

Spoiler: Spoiler: The French message that was first transmitted 16 years ago is kinda creepy. "It killed them all." Crazy stuff. Let's see...16 years ago was...1988? Anyone know of any "bigfoot/loch ness"-type legends that originated in the late 80's? Maybe the monster is a legendary character that most people have forgotten about. It would be awesome if it was Domo Kun! But my bets are the directors of "Lost" aren't that cool.
So, what do you think?

Spoiler: Now time to type some random crap to make all the people who aren't reading the spoiler stuff antsy, hehe:
I heard that Spoiler: blahblah is gonna kill Spoiler: blahblahblah on the Spoiler: blah episode! It's confirmed! More confirmed news is that the monster is a Spoiler: blahblahblahblahblahblah!!! OMG!

Averett 10-04-2004 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyChalupa
Except for their liver, which is poisonous. One of the very few things I remember from a Navy correspondence course on survival I did once.

-Mikey

How weird!!

Thanks for the spoiler usage! So far I'm still staying away from them ;)

Except for that last one CityofAngels... That's totally going to happen! :lol:

radioguy 10-04-2004 02:39 PM

for all of the spoiler stuff: is that just speculation that you, the poster, think will happen or is it stuff that you have found on different websites that give away the show? i want to read the spoilers if it's just speculation, but not if it's going to happen. thanks and this show seriously kicks ass!

Palamidian 10-04-2004 06:54 PM

The spoiler in my post was a specualatio/prediction that i came to after watching the 2 hour pilot. It contains stuff from the pilot if you havn't seen it, but otherwise it is speculation.

Hope that helps :)

Averett 10-05-2004 04:33 AM

Maybe for speculation stuff, that you yourself are thinking put it in Spoiler tags but also put *Speculation* before it? That way people can choose for themselves if they want to read the speculation stuff or not.

Am I being too anal about this? :|

Cynthetiq 10-05-2004 05:58 AM

I'm still interested in seeing how they are keeping these people lost.

I didn't think it's all that; it's still an interesting show and I'll keep it on the Tivo list.

warrrreagl 10-05-2004 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
Am I being too anal about this? :|

Yes, ma'am.

radioguy 10-05-2004 01:33 PM

i want to read the spoilers sooooo bad, but if they contain credible information, i'll shoot myself!!! i like averett's idea....could ya'll put speculation next to it if possible?

Fremen 10-05-2004 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett

Am I being too anal about this? :|

No, ma'am.
*winks at warrrreagl*

**speculation**Spoiler: I read a guy's theory on another site about the possible origin of the monster.
He speculated it could be a mutation from the nuclear tests that took place in the Marshall Islands, specifically the Bikini atoll area.
If the Lost ones were going to Australia from the Fiji Islands, and they're 1000 miles off course, they could've come into contact with a place that had some adverse reactions to the radiation over the years.

Anyway, it's about as good a theory as any I've read. :D

thriolith 10-06-2004 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
From what I've heard, the whole first season takes place over 1 month. My worry is how long they can keep the series going. It's great so far, but can it last? I really hope so. It would really make for a great mini-series I think, but I hope ABC gives it a shot and lets JJ Abrams do his thing.


Mal, watch this show! It's really really good.

Well consideringthey found a distress singal that's been broadcasting for what was it? 16 years? I think it'll all depend if they get off the island or not.

The show seems really good so far. I'm just glad the creator's of Alias didn't disappoint.

Cynthetiq 10-06-2004 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fremen
No, ma'am.
*winks at warrrreagl*

**speculation**Spoiler: I read a guy's theory on another site about the possible origin of the monster.
He speculated it could be a mutation from the nuclear tests that took place in the Marshall Islands, specifically the Bikini atoll area.
If the Lost ones were going to Australia from the Fiji Islands, and they're 1000 miles off course, they could've come into contact with a place that had some adverse reactions to the radiation over the years.

Anyway, it's about as good a theory as any I've read. :D


**speculation**Spoiler: OH NO!!! GOJIRA!!!!!!**speculation**

Seething 10-06-2004 05:12 PM

After seeing tonight's episode, I have a couple things that stuck in my mind. I think they've laid out most of the "essentials", like back story on main characters, attmepts at contacting the outside world, and answering a couple of questions here and there. I feel the show is now ready to branch out into more in depth story lines. Such as the monsters on the island, the Spoiler: "ghosts" that will show up in the next episode, and other character's back stories. I am very interested in seeing where the show goes. Definitely the first show in years that I'll make an effort to watch every week.

A couple of things that I found odd... The guy with the scar on his eye's clothes always seem spotless. Almost everyone else is wearing dirty, ragged clothes and look like the haven't changed since the crash. But this guy is soapy clean and his shirts are still perfectly white. Odd...

Also, the asian "couple". In the one scene he says to her, Spoiler: "I love you." But it's left aligned on the screen, almost as if he said more than that. Now I don't speak Vietnamese or Korean or whatever, but it'd be interesting to know if he said more.

Just my thoughts.

Averett 10-07-2004 04:38 AM

I'm still hooked. I like how they showed a bit more to Kate's story. Although there are still a ton more questions there...

Yeah, Locke (scar eye guy) definitly has something up with him. The Korean couple is really very interesting. The first two shows he seemed very dominering, and he still does, but it was shown that he does care for her. I'm interested to see their story.

cartmen34 10-07-2004 05:10 AM

Out of all the things that are a mystery right now, I think the one I want to know most is what Kate did to become a criminal/fugitive. I think they aren't telling us for a reason, but I can't imagine what she could have done that would be important that the writers feel they need to keep it a secret.

And somebody help me out here.....was her "captor" a US marshall, or just a bounty hunter? I can't remember if we were ever shown a badge or not.

Averett 10-07-2004 05:43 AM

Well, Sawyer stole the badge and the gun from him, so he could be a US marshall. I don't think bounty hunters have them... Or maybe they do. I've never had the chance to come in contact with either to find out :p

alicat 10-07-2004 08:36 AM

I thought it was great that they showed Locke doing something positive like carving the dog whistle to find Vincent for Walt, and then letting his dad take the credit. It's like the writers are trying to show he's one of the good guys. But did anyone else notice at the end of the show, they were playing happy, sappy music while panning all the people, and at the very last the camera stopped on Locke and the music changed to "forboding" and spooky? What's that supposed to imply?

Also, don't you think at least someone would point out that because of the possibility of never being rescued, they should find every single man-made item in the fuselage for future use? And the sooner the better considering it'll only get nastier the longer the dead bodies are in there.

Glad to see they still kept up the great pace in the first "normal" episode.

Ali

espi 10-07-2004 09:14 AM

Okay, I have to ask the question: why the hell don't they go find where that transmitter is? If I were stranded on a deserted island somewhere the first thing I would do is scout the island and make sure there's not a Club Med, or something, down the beach.

Also, where did all those tarps comes from? Sure seems handy.

Cynthetiq 10-07-2004 09:17 AM

Besides just wandering about which seems unsafe due to the animals on the island, it's not easy to locate where a radio transmission is coming from without another radio and the ability to triangulate the signal.

Averett 10-07-2004 09:25 AM

Yeah, after the polar bear (Which not everyone knows about), people aren't going to want to wander around. Everyone knows about the Scary Clanging Thing in the jungle, so they're not going to want to explore too much...

warrrreagl 10-07-2004 10:08 AM

Why are there still Spoiler: dead bodies. aboard the Spoiler: airplane? I would imagine the Spoiler: smell must be Spoiler: horrific by Spoiler: now.

Averett 10-07-2004 10:11 AM

Smartass :lol:

espi 10-07-2004 10:37 AM

I know it's not easy to find the source of a transmitter without triangulation. But on what I assume is a smallish island, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to find the remains of a camp that was big enough to house a generator to run a radio transmitter for 16 years. (Solar? Wind? Nuclear? It's certainly not batteries or diesel).

I guess it hasn't been long enough since the crash, but I'm thinking monsters be damned, I'm checking out the island.

Grancey 10-07-2004 12:16 PM

Do we know how much time has actually passed since the crash?

Averett 10-07-2004 12:19 PM

Going into the 3rd day I think....

Himbo 10-07-2004 12:24 PM

"What's that supposed to imply?"

I'm thinking the old man has a thing for young boys or something. In the first episode didn't the old man start teaching the young boy Backgammon then say something like, "hey you want to know a secret" then the camera fades out. Then again at the end of last nights episode him staring that the father and son was just friggin creepy.

crossova 10-08-2004 11:35 AM

i was thinking that the Locke might be bad. didnt u see the coming attractions, somebody got a big suitcase of knives or weapons. i thought they burried the bodies already

Redlemon 10-11-2004 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Himbo
"What's that supposed to imply?"

I'm thinking the old man has a thing for young boys or something. In the first episode didn't the old man start teaching the young boy Backgammon then say something like, "hey you want to know a secret" then the camera fades out. Then again at the end of last nights episode him staring that the father and son was just friggin creepy.

The boy told his dad in the 3rd episode, "He said a miracle happened to you". Dad responded "A miracle happened to everybody, we survived the crash". (not exact quotes).

Didn't you like how the downpour ended immediately after his father said "I'll look for your dog when the rain stops"? I don't think that was coincidence...

Cynthetiq 10-11-2004 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redlemon
The boy told his dad in the 3rd episode, "He said a miracle happened to you". Dad responded "A miracle happened to everybody, we survived the crash". (not exact quotes).

Didn't you like how the downpour ended immediately after his father said "I'll look for your dog when the rain stops"? I don't think that was coincidence...

it rains like that all over islands like that... squalls come and go instantly and quickly.

they are still setting up characters I'm still waiting to find out more about the island they are on.

Did they figure out how to make polar bear steaks?

Fremen 10-11-2004 03:08 PM

From what I've gathered from different sites, I don't think there's anything mystical going on on the island.

speculation:Spoiler: From one guy comes a theory that the island is actually an inverted tropical island in a pocket of the South pole protected from viewing by the pole's magnetic waves. :eek: We-ird!

Eweser 10-12-2004 07:43 AM

i kinda wanted to watch the show before, but after listening to ya'll i am going to make it a point to watch it this week. THANKS!

Averett 10-12-2004 08:13 AM

Definatly check it out!

Is it still going to be on tomorrow? What with the debates? I know the last debates were at 9pm, hoping this one is too. Don't take Lost from me!!

Cynthetiq 10-12-2004 08:30 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...tiq/advice.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

according to zap2it, in NYC it will be on at 8pm like it's supposed to be.

Redlemon 10-12-2004 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
[IMG]according to zap2it, in NYC it will be on at 8pm like it's supposed to be.

Good, I'll have something to watch while the debates are on (go TiVo)! (I looked up the same question about two hours ago, didn't want to miss Lost.)

Averett 10-12-2004 09:16 AM

Okay Cynthetiq.... THAT is AWESOME!

I love me some Google, but why ask Google when there's TFP? ;)

Booray 10-13-2004 05:53 PM

anybody notice in mr. locke's (weird bald guy) flashbacks in tonight's episode that his boss told him to get working on his TPS reports? :)


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