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If at all possible please give a spoiler free review since I won't be seeing it until this weekend. Thanks.

Radio Monk33

Does it really matter dude? I mean you're seeing it either way this weekend, no?

I wont be seeing it for another...22 odd hours.

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Damijin

Just got home from the 10:00 showing.

Personal thoughts... well.... It seemed more complicated then the first. Perhaps in a bad way, but theres enough action that if you're stupid and not a fan of plot you will still like it. Lots of stuff for programmers and comp security people to enjoy. More emphasis on how all the data works. The fighting is amazing.... blows the other movie away.

Oh and I'm sure you've seen the trailer scenes of the freeway-chase right? Sit close enough to the screen and that will make you sick to your stomach... its just SO fast. Overall, good movie although it is obviously unfinished since they have the next movie comming out. The ending kinda reminds me of the feeling you got when you saw the end of Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring. They leave you waiting for the next episode but I'm going to be busy with the video game cause I need more matrix

Gambit

I feel the same way. I can't wait until I get the game tomorrow.
Anyway, overall, I enjoyed it. It wasn't without it's problems, of course, but it was still fun. I heard so many people sighing or complaining anytime someone on screen spoke for more than a few lines....HEAVAN FORBID the film actually have some story to it! (jerks!) These peopel obviously just came for the visuals. which were great. If you're a fan of the first film's story or overal mythology, I don't think you'll be disapointed.

AND STAY AFTER THE CREDITS!!! A PREVIEW FOR "REVOLUTIONS" FOLLOWS!!!

Damijin

We left before the preview... when I see it again this weekend I'll stay and watch them. Or I'm sure I could just find the Revolutions preview on kazaa

Jadey

How long was it? I tried to go to one of the 3 10pm showings, but they were all sold out by the time I got there?

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I just got back from the 10:00 showing as well.

I can say that it is one of the most confusing movies I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot. The Wachowski Brothers go totally overboard with this one, throwing WAY too complicated of a plot onto viewers.

Now that I've said that, onto the other parts of the movie: the action. Holy shit. I've never seen anything rival this in a production of entertainment. Never. Not even in a videogame. If you've seen the trailers, then you've seen the main aspects of each action sequence, even though there is one more part of the highway scene that was not shown in the trailers....DAMN.

The scene that is shown in the trailers when everyone in Zion is dancing and raving...well, it just went on too long. I shit you not; that dance scene went on for about 10 minutes at least, with interludes of Trinity and Neo having sex. That dragged on too much, but didn't really affect the overall movie too badly.

When giving your thoughts on a good movie, the bad parts always stand out. That's right, The Matrix: Reloaded is a VERY good movie. Technically, I'd say it was better than the first one. I have to tell about the bad parts because when something is so good, the flaws stand out big time. The Burly Brawl Scene (when the 100 Agent Smiths fight Neo) was actually better than shown in the trailers. It's also much longer than shown in the trailers.

Overall, I can honestly say that watching the Matrix: Reloaded was an amazing experience. The gaps in between the action were WAY too long sometimes (one gap in the beginning was a full hour of non-action, with the hour containing extremely confusing plot elements), but the action scenes were definitely rewarding. I'll probably have to see Reloaded at least 5 times to understand what the movie was about. Yes, the plot is that complicated.

In conclusion, the Matrix Reloaded was just as good as I expected, but was 100% totally different than what the trailers and tv spots portrayed it to be. Trust me, you will be surprised at how different Reloaded is from the first Matrix. They seem like completely different storylines with the same characters at points. When going in to the movie, be prepared for the best action sequences ever seen in a movie, one of the most confusing plots in a movie (it puts Fight Club and the first Matrix to shame), and one of the most exhilarating experiences you'll witness. The highway scene is the best car chase sequence of all time, end of story.

If I had to review it, I would give it about a 9 out of 10. The 1 point off is simply because the audience that will only see it once will never know what the movie is about because of the plot. The talking scenes that drag on and the overwhelming plot hinder Reloaded, but just encourage you to see the movie more than once. Yes, that's good. You'll definitely want to see it more than once -- again for the action scenes, and again to understand what the movie was about. The Wachowski Brothers are my heroes.

-Lasereth

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AMAZING!!! I loved it!

Xenophobik

This movie blew me away. I would say that it was a bit confusing but that made me like it even more. I believe there should be elements of stories that you need to think about after the movie to keep you more interested in it. The thing that makes me mad is reviewers saying its not good that the movie was complicated and also they seem to complain about how it has a cliffhanger ending...its supposed to because its only half a movie. Theres no way they would make a 5 hour movie like this. The only way to do it was make two movies. I give 9 out of 10

koriktavik

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I loved the ending! The Bum-Bum-Buuuuuum as they show Bane was the icing on the cake of a great movie. While the plot could be described as confusing I found it enthralling. The whole concept of whether or not a choice is actually a choice or rather a result of a cause was very interesting. I loved Merovingian, especially his little slice of cake, as a student of the Culinary Arts, I would LOOOVE to get my hands on that recipe. Overall I would give this a 10 I didn't have a problem following the plot but I can definitely understand if some do.

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Alright. I'll bite. I'll usher in the big discussion. Is the architect telling the truth at the end? Or is it the other possibility...is Zion and the "real" world simply another Matrix? What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I'm going with it being another Matrix. A couple reasons: 1) How can Agent Smith survive in the "real" world? He's a program. Reprogramming himself into a human program is one thing - binding himself to a human brain is quite another...or maybe not *shrug*. 2) How does the Oracle know about the dreams Neo is having in the "real" world? 3) How did Neo stop the Sentinals at the end? This is what finalized my opinion. Please precede any discussion of this with some sort of VERY obvious spoiler tag.

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I haev to say, those are good points... I honestly don't see anything wrong with Smith being able to survive in the real world; when an agent takes someone over, it seems they pretty much destroy that person because the mind gets fucked. So it would seem possible that if you unplugged that person correctly, the agent would be able to survive as just a mind. *shrug* just my two cents. As for the oracle.... that's a bit more damning, I have no good reason for that. Other than intelligence given to her by someone else, perhaps? Or maybe since Neo's consciouness is in the Matrix, she can acess his thoughts, making her more programlike? Dunno. anyway, the last of your points is the most important, because if Neo has powers in the real world, I'm going to lose all respect for this series. From the beginning, they've made it very clear that the shit that flies in the matrix cannot happen in the real world because there are no such things as magic or "special powers". I dunno, the idea of Neo having powers in the real world seems like a shitty sci-fi cop-out.

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I agree with the Neo having powers thing. That would be really stupid. A couple of my friends mentioned that maybe the hovercraft that saved them shot a EMP beam at the sentinels right when Neo put his hand up, and that's why they disabled like that. The EMP beam may have hit Neo and knocked him unconscious.

Another theory I've heard is that the real world, or Zion, is another Matrix in itself. None of the humans have awoken yet, but the ones that begin to rebel are unplugged from the outer layer Matrix, and put into the inner Matrix, which is Zion. Either way, they're still all connected to the battery machines. If Zion is a Matrix within a Matrix, then some serious shit is gonna go down. I really want to see what the hell happened. Neo did save Trinity and bring her back to life, presenting the whole Messiah imagery like Jesus. I sure as hell hope they don't make Neo a Christ figure that can do stuff in real life and in the Matrix. Either way, Reloaded was awesome, and I really want to see it again.

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Thought about it just being another matrix, and it seems like quite a likely plot twist/ending to me. The best point made here is probably #2 by Secret . She can either be a rouge program that's travelled through (I guess this is right) two matrices (hehe), or she could just be what she said in this movie, that she's just doing the job that she was designed to do - fortell the future (all she really did was allude to this, but hey, I'm taking a bit of license).
I'm thinking Agent Smith is basically the same as he always was, except that now he isn't controlled by whatever higher power in the machines is fueling this. Seems to me he's doing the same stuff he was the first time around, except that now he can alter people's minds so that they mentally become him. On this, though, what happens to these clones? Should we expect in the third one to see an army of a billion of them walking the earth in search of Neo (similar to The Langoliers)? Just a thought, since all we see them do is walk out after fight scenes.
As for Neo's powers to stop the sentinels, I have to hope that he's in another matrix, otherwise, like OMFUG said, this would be a really sad cop-out.

I was thinking a good ending would be for the movie to just suddenly twink out to a white dot on a tv screen, and to have someone come by and turn it off. Just trying to think of something highly unlikely, since I've found that's really the only way to predict what's going to happen in this movie series (i.e. when Merovingian's wife moves to the two open doors to shut them, I thought, "What's the coolest thing they could do with this? Have them lead somewhere else," and they did. I give myself no credit here, however, just a lucky guess).

OK, one more point before I give my fingers a rest, what exactly was The Architect talking about with the last set of choices that Neo has to make? I completely understand the decision that they've set in front of him, but why would they do that to begin with? Why give the humans however many people he said and give them a chance to rebuild? Maybe that would give the machines purpose, I don't know. That didn't make much sense to me, but I guess the point is moot now anyway, seeing as how he didn't take that one.

After all this, I'm thinking the most probable story line would be that it's all another matrix. That's the only concievable way that Neo could sense anything different when he's not plugged in.

That's all I've got. Whew.

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Ok, first of all, ditto on the Matrix in a Matrix.
Second, there was a lot presented to take in on just one sitting of the movie (especially the scene with the Architect), so my interpretation will most likely change as I see the movie again…and again.

Here is my attempt at this one, assuming matrices: According to the Architect, Zion has been rebuilt 6 times (or 5, I don't remember, I also don’t remember if the Matrix was also reset each time). I think at some time there existed only one matrix and as long as everything works the way it supposed to, the humans don't know what is going on. Well, somewhere along the line "The One" realizes something is wrong, and what he does at this point, I don't really know. But the machines realize his awareness, and I'm guessing that his awareness spreads to other humans. At this point or somewhere along first, second or third resets, the machines realize that their plan isn't going to work. Their inability to mimic "the lack of perfection in the human world" is going to be their downfall, so they create a second Matrix layered below the first and allow those humans who find something wrong with "The Original Matrix" to wake up. Only they aren't waking up to the real world, they are waking up to the "The Second Matrix."

Ok, bear with me now, I might be grasping at straws here.

So, given enough time, humans start to realize the inconsistencies in the First Matrix, and are allowed to awake into the Second Matrix. Perhaps, given enough time existing in the Second Matrix, ("Wait, something’s different" -Neo) humans will become conscious of the Second Matrix. The machines again realize this, but instead of creating a Third Matrix, they create the Oracle, whose purpose is to guide The One to the Architect. If there is a Second Matrix, everything we have seen the first movie and second movie that takes place outside of “The Matrix” is actually predetermined. (Thus emphasizing the concept of a choice) If this is the case, then the dreams that Neo is having could actually be images the machines want him to see in order to lead him to the “choice” with the Architect. The Oracle knows everything because it’s her purpose to know everything, like she states. So to answer the question as to “why,” The reason is: If the Second Matrix is not reset, The One will become aware of it too. The interesting thing is, Neo for the first time in 6 other Neos (presumably) picks a different path, or at least we are lead to believe that he always picked the other door in the past, which would imply that there are choices…and the machines don’t control everything. Perhaps the machines are not capably of resetting The One’s mind completely, and 6 awakenings has lead his consciousness in a different direction, one that the machines did not see with the previous Neos.

I could ramble on and on, but I think I will stop for now. The one thing I have not developed a theory about yet, relating it to the theory of matrices, is what was Merovengian’s purpose? Has it been served? With the depths of this movie, I can’t imagine his character was added to just present the audience with an incite into “programs,” a means to get to the Key Maker, and a lead in to a very cool action sequence…

Anyway, things to ponder until I see the movie again…and yes, I think this movie was more than worth wait!

THE MAC GOD

Yeah... it was AMAZING... and the more I think about it after I have seen it makes me love it even more... Being an action junkie and a plot lover, this movie made it good... I disagree that it was difficult to understand... I took my GF who has a tough time understanding movies and she grabbed onto it pretty quick... AS i've told my friends, I'm afraid that reviewers will review it as a stand-alone movie, which it isn't. It is a second in a 3 part story (this one takes place only a little after the first one and the third just continues where 2 left off). It's not like DIE HARD or INDY where each story is separate and complete... it's like LOTR in that it may seem like it is missing something here and there ONLY because we haven't seen it come to fruition yet! Anyway, GO SEE IT THIS WEEKEND!

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Ok, one question that I don't think has been asked yet...

Did I miss something??? What happened to Tank?? I am going to have to watch the first movie again, but he is supposed to still be alive, right???

Can someone field this one???

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I think the layer above the second matrix is being controlled by humans and Merovengian is one of them. Maybe they have trully escaped the matrix or are a ruling class and they keep all of the "lesser" people locked in the matrix as a playground for themselves. Remember his wife states that he was once like Neo so that is what got me thinking along these lines.

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AsianRage

The guy playing Tank was replaced by the dude from OZ

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That's an interesting concept. If he were a human, that would explain his personality/actions...and I would also think he will appear in the 3 movie.

TheIceMan

**I LIKE this theory. Man, I wish you were sitting next to me in the theatre to explain the Matrix Reloaded. I was a bit lost there. Reading your post helped to clarify or theorize on many important points in the movie.

**Re: Someone asked about Tank. I believe the new guy is married to Tank & Dozer's sister. So he's Tank's brother-in-law.

**Also, I think Agent Smith is now a "VIRUS" because as he said himself, he is no longer part of the "program". And the things that he does (take over people, even taking over other Agents) is characteristic of Viruses. This also leads to how he is able to remain "alive" outside the Matrix in Zion. But as someone had mentioned, I too, think "Zion" is another Matrix, in which case, Agent Smith (as the Virus) can survive in the host body and then be activated (like a Trojan Virus) later on when they attempt to revive the "only survivor."

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matrix revolutions trailer for those that missed it in the theaters:

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/The%20Mat...railer.torrent

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Yeah, that happened . . . . . . and the crew from the first movie caught him stealing stuff (props, etc.), and they kicked him off the rest of the movies. Don't quite remember where I heard that, but yeah, that's why he's not back.

NeverBorn

OMG..thats all I have to say

neoinoakleys

Am I doing something worng?? Why is this link not working for me? All I get is a ".torrent" file....what do I do with it?

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I don't think Zion has to be a second matrix for the story to work, though that is an appropriately brain-warping idea.

Zion is a pressure-valve for the building inconsistencies in the programming of The Matrix. That 1% that don't accept the program escape and build until there's a community in Zion, and eventually, along comes The (well... A) One, whose job is to zero out the accumulated inconsistencies and reset Zion to its starting point. It's been 100 years since the sixth Zion reset. The myth of The One as a savior was planted in each new batch of Zion settlers in order to have them continue collecting those who don't accept the program. Morpheus turns out to be just another Machine dupe.

I'm also puzzled about the choice thing. Why should The One be given any choice in the matter at all? Why does the architect offer two doors? Except to allow the Brothers to explore a "love is the choice" theme? Thoughts on that?

Kadath

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I'm apparently squarely in the minority, but I thought it was a steaming pile. So disappointing. Poor writing, both plot and dialogue wise, careened wildly from fight scene to fight scene with incomprehensible babble in between. I found nothing surprising from beginning to end, with the exception that the Oracle was a program and the prophecy was nothing more than a regressive control system. The Merovengian was so god damned irritating I begged God to end his scene. His twins were sort of neat, but if they really could phase whenever they pleased, why didn't they phase before the car exploded? I refuse to believe that Morpheus, who has demonstrated his ineptitude against agents time and again, was able to defeat the pair. I wanted to like it, had even convinced myself that it was not a total loss, but then the ending came. God, Neo uses his powers outside the matrix, and then the "surprise" of Bane being the survivor; what, did the sentinels just move aside as the Hammer came through to pick him up? Ugh, I'm sick. The best I can say about that movie is it didn't give me cancer. That I know of.

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I DO see your point, there are definitely some criticism that could be made about the movie.

Like the one you pointed out, how is it that Morpheus and Trinity are suddenly able stand up against the agants all of the sudden??

And how about at least an explanation in some sort conversation that would explain the sudden disappearance of Tank. (Link IS Tank's brother-in-law, and Tank's replacement). What actually happened to the Tank character, there needed to be at least some explanation.

...and what was up with the fake ass CG?? There were countless times that the CG was just not right. You can really pick out the "cartoonish" parts.

But I would have to disagree about the movie being "a steaming pile". Even with it's inconsistancy that are not yet explained, the movie was definitely thought provoking and entertaining....WOOO HOOO can't wait for the next one....BRING IT ON!!!

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yodapaul

I reserve the right to pass jugement on this movie after i have seen the 3rd Matrix movie.

I shall post my thought around Nov 03.

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Tank's dead. The sister says she's lost two brothers to the Nebuchadnezzar.

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I went to New Jersey to a friends house and then go see the Matrix and it got sold out!! We showed up at 9:45pm to see a 10:15pm showing and it was sold out as well as 2 more showings at 10:40pm!! Two 10:40pm shows for a 2.5 hour movie on a Thursday night sold out! This is madness! What a let down.

I'm dying to see it. Maybe I'll try and make it to a matinee on Sunday morning.

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As far as Neo using his powers "outside" the Matrix - that's the whole point we're getting at. I don't think he WAS outside the Matrix at all.

As far as Bane goes, anyone who was paying attention shouldn't be surprised and shouldn't see it as an inconsistancy that he was the only survivor. He is not Bane. He is Agent Smith.

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Just got home from seeing it. Different from the first one which is good but I wasn't left with the same emotional high that I had at the end of the original. Definitely glad that Revolutions will be coming out later this year.

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Something seems weird about the architect of the Matrix. I think he's lying about everything to discourage Neo from trying. You can tell he's lying because (I think) he said that Trinity would die. Technically she did die, but I don't think he counted on her coming back to life.

I can only wonder how many mistakes were made. We'll never know until Revolutions.

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Secret , I don't know why I never thought that Bane is Agent Smith, but after hearing it, that makes perfect sense. This next movie should prove to be quite interesting . . .

Oh, and did anyone else think that this ending and the ending to the 2nd LotR movie were quite similar? In this, Neo is sitting right next to what possibly (though it's highly, highly unlikely) could be his killer. At the end of The Two Towers, Smeagol (sp?) looks to be leading them to someone who could (though again it's highly, highly unlikely) kill them. I doubt that this was planned, but, nonetheless, it's a weird parallel.

That's all I got.

Lebell

Saw it tonite with some friends.

Out of four guys, I really liked it, one guy sorta liked it and the other two didn't.

The major complaint was it was too intellectual in places, too 'Zen'. While I like that sort of thought provoking film, I can see their point. Most people will go for the kick 'em action, but as I said, I liked the mix.

Of course there was great effects, but even though I expected it, I hated the cliff hanger ending. But at least it won't be like "Empire Strikes Back" where I had to wait 3 years to see Han freed from the carbonite.

I'm already looking forward to November.

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Saw it tonight.. wow.

I understand the complaints about the 'Zen-ness' of the movie, but I actually liked that aspect. And as we sat there waiting for the "Revolutions" trailer, we came to the same conculsion: There is obviously a matrix within the matrix, sort of like a buffer to catch data errors that has to be cleared every once in a while.

That is the only thing that explains Neo's experience at the end with the sentinals and Agent Smith's new ability to some how infect humans and step outside the matrix. The one guy is obviously Smith underneath.

I also understand why this movie is more complicated. It is like the differences between Star Wars and Empire. Star Wars was a nice little compact movie that stood on it's own, with a beginning and definite end. With Empire, the story suddenly started to get very complicated.

Here we have the same deal. While the Matrix left question at the end (specifically, what is the outcome of this battle), it still wrapped things nicely, with Neo accepting that he is the One and defeating his arch enemy, Agent Smith.

Now things are complicated again. I think that Reloaded will be one of those movies that you have to watch a couple of times to really appreciate the intricacies.

As to being TOO complicated, meh and double meh. People always say that about master pieces. They said Lord of the Rings (the book) was way to intellectual and complex. They even said that Harry Potter was too complex for kids. I personally think that The Matrix Trilogy will become one of the great Sci-Fi series from our time, watched for generations to come.

Yeah, November can't get here soon enough.

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Aight, ive seen the movie, and heres my take on the whole thing.

I think that there is one Super-Matrix that has two subsections, refered to as the Matrix and the Zion worlds. Heres my reasons:

1) If, as the architect said, there is a 99% acceptance rate, what that means is that there is a 1% failure rate. The failures are sent to the Zion world.

Now, this makes the scene in the inital matrix where Neo "wakes up" to the Zion world make perfect sense. Think about it... if i remember correctly, Neo woke up in fluid, struggled for a bit, then a machine came over, and lasered his restraints out and let him drop into a waste pool. If you had a potential enemy right in front of you, why would you unshackle it and let it drop into a convieniently rescuable place, as opposed to say... killing it?

2) The oracle knew about Neo's trouble with sleeping. This could be prior experience with other "ones" et al, but still...

3) The last scene, where something felt different. Neo can suddenly stop the squid thingies. Assuming real life physics, this is impossible. The only real possible explanation is that the Zion world and the Matrix are both parts of a Super-Matrix.

4) Finally, and the most important one, the whole resurrection thing. In the original, right after Agent Smith kills Neo in the Matrix world, Trinity whispers into Neos ear that he is the one in the Zion world, and that she loves him, which causes Neo to wake up. At that time, he is dead, by that i mean, is heart isnt functioning. Its impossible for the brain to process anything when the heart isnt pumping blood, so there is no way that that he could have heard that in the Zion world, and react to it in the Matrix world, unless they were part of the same system. (Also, your not meant to be able to hear/see/feel anything in the Zion world if your mind is in the Matrix world...)

Additionally, the whole resurrection thang in the Reloaded too. Neo starts pumping Trinities heart in the Matrix world, who is "dead" in the Zion world, which causes her heart to start beating once again in both worlds, once again, something impossible if the Zion world was a real one, and not a coded one. (... her consciousness is dead, how the hell can she register anything?)

Also, the whole bleeding-in-the-zion-world-while-in-the-matrix thing. If only thier consciousness is in the Matrix world, it would be virtually impossible for them to cough up blood in the Zion world. Think about it.. its not easy TO cough up blood with no external stimuli. The brain would have to cause a rupture in a vein somewhere, somehow, and to the best of my knowledge, this is impossible.

Hope that all made sense, if it didnt, drop me a line and i'll re-write it. There are a few other points that i'd like to bring up:

the Merovengian. Er, as someone else said, he seemed to be too developed to be just a factor in finding the key and setting up a fight scene. Lets see... he hates the Oracle, he has imprisioned the Key-Maker (so obviously he has to know about the key maker, and what it is that he does) frequently alludes to him facing off against other "ones" and them being tougher (which means that he has been around for at least 300 years) But i think he's been around for a LOT longer than that. Why? he's saved people from an earlier matrix. The Architect says 6 other ones had come to him before Neo, and before this one, many attempts had been made at creating a Matrix. This means that the Merovengian is at least 700 years old in the Matrix.

Couple this with his ability to program in the matrix (i.e. the cake with the woman), plus his ability of saving people from older matricies and we have someone who is very old, and powerful. So it will be interesting to see what he develops into in Revolutions.


Secondly, the comment the oracle makes -- "your making a believer out of me" to Neo. hmm. Shes the driving force behind the prophecy, yet she doesnt believe in it? seems a bit odd, doesnt it?

Ratbastid: the whole choice thing with the architect seems to re-iterate the recurrent theme in the movie. I don't know why there is a choice, but ill be going to see it again soon, so ill let you know if i get any better ideas next time


And as for a review i thought the movie was pretty good, but it could have been edited a bit more to make it flow better, and some of the CG was downright shoddy, especially in today's day and age.

ratbastid

Y'all are being pretty darned literal about this "knocking down the squiddies" thing.

Homie can fly. He's hooked up with machines on a deep, deep level. He's visited their core mainframe, interacted with the architect of the Matrix, and left some of his code there. It's beyond the physics that you and I know about here trapped in The Matrix (he he), but cut the guy some slack! He's <i>The One</i>, for crying out loud! Nobody in the movie knows what happened either--including Neo. Big mystery thing. That's what "the middle film of the trilogy" is all about.

I also don't get (yet) how this guy Bane is really Smith. Who said that? Did you infer that from Neo's dream about the Agent leaving the Matrix through a phone? I just got that he was a traitor guy who wanted to give Zion up for whatever personal deal he could work out, just like Cypher in the first movie.

neoinoakleys

Ratbastid, watch the movie again. This was not part of the dream that Neo was having. Remember the part at the beginning where the two guys were trying to leave the Matrix, and one hands the other an envelope, and says that "this is all that matters"? Well, after the one guy goes through the phone, anget Smith comes in and takes over the remaining guy...then he gets sucked throught the phone. In essence that is is how agent Smith took over Bane's body. Does this make sense?

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