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Loki · 05-16-2003, 03:03 AM

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Aight, ive seen the movie, and heres my take on the whole thing.

I think that there is one Super-Matrix that has two subsections, refered to as the Matrix and the Zion worlds. Heres my reasons:

1) If, as the architect said, there is a 99% acceptance rate, what that means is that there is a 1% failure rate. The failures are sent to the Zion world.

Now, this makes the scene in the inital matrix where Neo "wakes up" to the Zion world make perfect sense. Think about it... if i remember correctly, Neo woke up in fluid, struggled for a bit, then a machine came over, and lasered his restraints out and let him drop into a waste pool. If you had a potential enemy right in front of you, why would you unshackle it and let it drop into a convieniently rescuable place, as opposed to say... killing it?

2) The oracle knew about Neo's trouble with sleeping. This could be prior experience with other "ones" et al, but still...

3) The last scene, where something felt different. Neo can suddenly stop the squid thingies. Assuming real life physics, this is impossible. The only real possible explanation is that the Zion world and the Matrix are both parts of a Super-Matrix.

4) Finally, and the most important one, the whole resurrection thing. In the original, right after Agent Smith kills Neo in the Matrix world, Trinity whispers into Neos ear that he is the one in the Zion world, and that she loves him, which causes Neo to wake up. At that time, he is dead, by that i mean, is heart isnt functioning. Its impossible for the brain to process anything when the heart isnt pumping blood, so there is no way that that he could have heard that in the Zion world, and react to it in the Matrix world, unless they were part of the same system. (Also, your not meant to be able to hear/see/feel anything in the Zion world if your mind is in the Matrix world...)

Additionally, the whole resurrection thang in the Reloaded too. Neo starts pumping Trinities heart in the Matrix world, who is "dead" in the Zion world, which causes her heart to start beating once again in both worlds, once again, something impossible if the Zion world was a real one, and not a coded one. (... her consciousness is dead, how the hell can she register anything?)

Also, the whole bleeding-in-the-zion-world-while-in-the-matrix thing. If only thier consciousness is in the Matrix world, it would be virtually impossible for them to cough up blood in the Zion world. Think about it.. its not easy TO cough up blood with no external stimuli. The brain would have to cause a rupture in a vein somewhere, somehow, and to the best of my knowledge, this is impossible.

Hope that all made sense, if it didnt, drop me a line and i'll re-write it. There are a few other points that i'd like to bring up:

the Merovengian. Er, as someone else said, he seemed to be too developed to be just a factor in finding the key and setting up a fight scene. Lets see... he hates the Oracle, he has imprisioned the Key-Maker (so obviously he has to know about the key maker, and what it is that he does) frequently alludes to him facing off against other "ones" and them being tougher (which means that he has been around for at least 300 years) But i think he's been around for a LOT longer than that. Why? he's saved people from an earlier matrix. The Architect says 6 other ones had come to him before Neo, and before this one, many attempts had been made at creating a Matrix. This means that the Merovengian is at least 700 years old in the Matrix.

Couple this with his ability to program in the matrix (i.e. the cake with the woman), plus his ability of saving people from older matricies and we have someone who is very old, and powerful. So it will be interesting to see what he develops into in Revolutions.

Secondly, the comment the oracle makes -- "your making a believer out of me" to Neo. hmm. Shes the driving force behind the prophecy, yet she doesnt believe in it? seems a bit odd, doesnt it?

Ratbastid: the whole choice thing with the architect seems to re-iterate the recurrent theme in the movie. I don't know why there is a choice, but ill be going to see it again soon, so ill let you know if i get any better ideas next time

And as for a review i thought the movie was pretty good, but it could have been edited a bit more to make it flow better, and some of the CG was downright shoddy, especially in today's day and age.

05-16-2003, 03:03 AM	#38 (permalink)
Loki Psycho Location: Drifting.	SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER, doo dah, doo dah, SPOILER SPOILER SPO-EYELER, oh doo dah day... Aight, ive seen the movie, and heres my take on the whole thing. I think that there is one Super-Matrix that has two subsections, refered to as the Matrix and the Zion worlds. Heres my reasons: 1) If, as the architect said, there is a 99% acceptance rate, what that means is that there is a 1% failure rate. The failures are sent to the Zion world. Now, this makes the scene in the inital matrix where Neo "wakes up" to the Zion world make perfect sense. Think about it... if i remember correctly, Neo woke up in fluid, struggled for a bit, then a machine came over, and lasered his restraints out and let him drop into a waste pool. If you had a potential enemy right in front of you, why would you unshackle it and let it drop into a convieniently rescuable place, as opposed to say... killing it? 2) The oracle knew about Neo's trouble with sleeping. This could be prior experience with other "ones" et al, but still... 3) The last scene, where something felt different. Neo can suddenly stop the squid thingies. Assuming real life physics, this is impossible. The only real possible explanation is that the Zion world and the Matrix are both parts of a Super-Matrix. 4) Finally, and the most important one, the whole resurrection thing. In the original, right after Agent Smith kills Neo in the Matrix world, Trinity whispers into Neos ear that he is the one in the Zion world, and that she loves him, which causes Neo to wake up. At that time, he is dead, by that i mean, is heart isnt functioning. Its impossible for the brain to process anything when the heart isnt pumping blood, so there is no way that that he could have heard that in the Zion world, and react to it in the Matrix world, unless they were part of the same system. (Also, your not meant to be able to hear/see/feel anything in the Zion world if your mind is in the Matrix world...) Additionally, the whole resurrection thang in the Reloaded too. Neo starts pumping Trinities heart in the Matrix world, who is "dead" in the Zion world, which causes her heart to start beating once again in both worlds, once again, something impossible if the Zion world was a real one, and not a coded one. (... her consciousness is dead, how the hell can she register anything?) Also, the whole bleeding-in-the-zion-world-while-in-the-matrix thing. If only thier consciousness is in the Matrix world, it would be virtually impossible for them to cough up blood in the Zion world. Think about it.. its not easy TO cough up blood with no external stimuli. The brain would have to cause a rupture in a vein somewhere, somehow, and to the best of my knowledge, this is impossible. Hope that all made sense, if it didnt, drop me a line and i'll re-write it. There are a few other points that i'd like to bring up: the Merovengian. Er, as someone else said, he seemed to be too developed to be just a factor in finding the key and setting up a fight scene. Lets see... he hates the Oracle, he has imprisioned the Key-Maker (so obviously he has to know about the key maker, and what it is that he does) frequently alludes to him facing off against other "ones" and them being tougher (which means that he has been around for at least 300 years) But i think he's been around for a LOT longer than that. Why? he's saved people from an earlier matrix. The Architect says 6 other ones had come to him before Neo, and before this one, many attempts had been made at creating a Matrix. This means that the Merovengian is at least 700 years old in the Matrix. Couple this with his ability to program in the matrix (i.e. the cake with the woman), plus his ability of saving people from older matricies and we have someone who is very old, and powerful. So it will be interesting to see what he develops into in Revolutions. Secondly, the comment the oracle makes -- "your making a believer out of me" to Neo. hmm. Shes the driving force behind the prophecy, yet she doesnt believe in it? seems a bit odd, doesnt it? Ratbastid: the whole choice thing with the architect seems to re-iterate the recurrent theme in the movie. I don't know why there is a choice, but ill be going to see it again soon, so ill let you know if i get any better ideas next time And as for a review i thought the movie was pretty good, but it could have been edited a bit more to make it flow better, and some of the CG was downright shoddy, especially in today's day and age.