Evil Milkman

I think I might go see it, but I'm not a huge fan of gore and violence. I have heard something that might deter me from seeing it. Spoiler: The main character supposedly dies. Whether or not that turns people off to seeing it is up to them.

Chingal0

Haha.

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Mojo_PeiPei

For the record the scene with the Devil was alleged Jesus' last temptation. It was seen in a vision by a mystic (Katherine Emeric?), she was a nun from the 17th century I believe.

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yournamehere

I wouldn't worry too much about Mel Gibson's career - he invested $30 million of his own money, and made most of it back the first day.

This movie will do for Mel Gibson's bank account what <i>Star Wars</i> did for George Lucas' and <i>The Lord of the Rings</i> did for Peter Jackson's.

But Gibson will do it in one film.
Just proves the old Hollywood axiom - "There's no such thing as bad publicity."

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FastShark85

Just got home from seeing the film. The theater was completely sold out (actually, two of them showing it at the same time were both sold out). There was a long line to enter the theaters already forming when we arrived 45 minutes early. It's an absolutely stunning movie. I didn't see anything I hadn't read before, but actually seeing it portrayed in such a realistic manner left me shaken. I can't recall the last time an entire audience left in complete silence. No one really seemed to be up to saying anything. If they were like me, they were just too taken by what they just viewed to speak.

QuasiMojo

Good Thread.

The movie(which I haven't seen yet) seems to come out at a time
where it is very appropo... what with everyone and evrybody wanting the REAL stuff.
The Passion, otherwise stated as the Suffering, is the ultimate reality play. Although it IS just a movie, Gibsons devotion to historical accuracy is inspired. And you may sit there in the theater and tell yourself that "It's just a movie"....
It will be the closest that you will have ever come to Being There
that day.

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Mantus

Saw it yesterday. Having trouble writing a review for it. So ill keep it short.

It was a good film. Yet it was missing something, or perhaps I was missing something. I could not look at it in context because frankly the context is all messed up in the first place. Out of context is where it works best, it’s a true demonstration of the brutality that human beings are capable of delivering upon one another. The little excerpts of wisdom that were thrown into the movie seemed barely there against the foreground of blood and pain. Perhaps this is why I though the movie was good. It seemed honest. It told you: this is what humanity is capable off.

As for the anti-Semitic undertones, there were none. At least not to me, though other people look though different eyes. I saw the Jewish people being hated by the Romans. I saw priest who were afraid of loosing their power condemning a man to death. That was the lesson wasn’t it - that even your holy men can be evil. Looking at those rabbi I could not help but see their resemblance to our modern day holy men especially people like Cardinal Bernard Law.

I believe the film is worth seeing. When you sit there in the theater I suggest that you open yourself up to its spectacle. Don’t try to mute what you see by your faith or your logic or that thick skin that we have all developed thanks to our media. Take it all in and see that dark side of humanity. It's a shock but though pain we learn.

lucidity

Very well put, Mantus. Just saw the movie today and I came away with pretty much the same thoughts.

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illesturban

update...

filtherton

If only i could find such an effective way to turn my personal philosophy into cold hard cash.

Perhaps "The Selected Passions of the Filtherton" would be a good title.

ironman

I'm a practicing catholic, and i don't want to go deep between differeces among cristian catholics and other cristians, becasue for me it is stupid, we all beleive in Christ, and that should be enough to make us all united, but that's other history. Your answer is NO, YOU WILL NO GO TO HELL IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS. For a long time catholic church susteined that only catholics would be saved and everbody else would go to hell, bit that's not the case right now, catholic church accpets taht even people who doesn't beleive in Jesus will be saved and go to heaven, as Jeus Blood covers for ALL humanity's sins. The only way you won't be saved is that if you don't wan't to be saved, is a matter of choice more than believing in Jesus. Many christians (yes, catholics are christians as well, everyone who beleives in Jesus is Christian) will not be saved, even when they believe in Jesus, as they don't want to be saved. All i can say to you is that religion is nothing but a path that leads you to goodness which leads you to God and salvation. No religion is better than other, as many morons with weapons use to think, it's just that there is people who decide to be good and others who decide to be bad. Why am i catholic? because FOR ME, is the best path i could find, for others that path could be any other christian church, or to be muslim, or budist or whatever...
Salvation is a matter of decision, Jesus has already give his life for the whole humanity, so decide.
To discuss who killed Christ is plain stupid, HE HAD to died, in order to save us.

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illesturban

hmmm, i've always been taught that those who don't accept jesus christ as their lord and savior will not see heaven... *shrug*

Spektr

In about 4 years, I'll be attending rabbinical school, but it has always been my point to embrace aspects of any religion that seeks to promote moral, spiritual grounding. I'm very interested in seeing the Passion, although I just saw Godspell live, so it'll be tough for the Passion to catch up to that level of greatness.

Astrocloud

I saw this movie today and although it is better than many films of the ilk -I don't think it lived up to the hype.

For one thing I hated the soundtrack which just seemed to distract me from the plot.

I liked the take it had on the manifestation of the devil being involved. It's certainly a different spin than the one I remember from sunday school.

B-

amonkie

Just got home from seeing the movie. I've seen several different films depicting the crucifixion, but I think this is the one that I walked away so shaken with just how much humanity needs saving. And that's really all I can coherently get out right now.

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Glad-I-Ate-Her

I felt the same way. The whole crowd leaving the theater seemed like they were in a daze.

Glad

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InTeGrA77

a girl in front of us puked, 2 rows left, and when it was over the entiire theater left in absolute silence...

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SecretMethod70

This is an issue for another thread, and the poster who posed the question has created one somewhere else, so let's stop addressing it here. As my final statement on the subject, there are many different denominations of Christianity and while you may have been exposed to one way of Christian thinking suffice it to say that there are others.

On the subject of the thread, I still haven't seen it. Like every other movie...I'll "get around to it."

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Xiangsu

I have seen the movie twice now and I have to say: ITS REALLY GOOD. Even if your not a christian, im not, you will enjoy the movie. Its very intense and very moving. I think anyone who has doubts should give the movie a chance.

Warning: This movie attracts a lot of old people, so be prepared for the movie theatre to smell like a nursing home.

Shady

lol.

yeah... i just went to see it today, and the theater was packed. and its a wednesday in a small town at 3:30. this movie is going to make a huge huge profit. its demographic is a really wide group of people. people in their 70's as well as teenagers will go see this movie. Christians and non-Christians. i expect it to break more records.

somebody asked me what i thought of it when i got back from the theater. i couldn't really put into words what i felt. i couldn't give it a review of like 5 of 5 stars or any review at all, because it didn't feel like a movie at all. a movie is there to entertain. it felt like i was actually There. it would be like saying "yeah...i give watching the death of Jesus two thumbs up!" but i will say that it was definitly moving and i was almost brought to tears twice. which is quite and an occurence for me. go see it.

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Tholo

I didn't know if this was mentioned or not, it may have just been noticed regionally.

A woman seeing the film at a theatre in Wichita, KS died of a heart attack during the screening. I tried to hunt down a link but no luck. Anyone else hear, or have link?

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Mr. Spacemonkey

Yeah, I heard about that too.

Here's a link.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/0...on.death.reut/

I saw it yesterday. I must say the violence is pretty intense and graphic. But despite all that it was really moving. I would definitely recommend seeing it.

... Um, just be careful if you have heart problems I guess.

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FaderMonkey

I finally saw the film last night and I'm not sure what to think of it. I liked it and I didn't. I thought the film was visually gorgeous...I loved the score...the acting was great. I guess it was directed at Christans more than I had hoped it would be. I know, everyone would say to that, "no sh#t!" I'm not a Christan, but I do believe Jesus exsisted and that he was a great man. I guess I was just hoping for a film that would appeal to everyone of all beliefs. I also didn't really like the fact that it isn't a film that can just stand on it's own. If you are someone who doesn't know much about the story of Christ, you'll probably be a little confused. You never even hear the names of some of the characters.

PS - If you happen to live in the Los Angeles area and you haven't seen it yet, go see while it's still playing in the Cinerama Dome at the Arclight...what a great theater!!

Drider_it

well lets see as one of the few memebers here that is a christian.. (no i will see i tomorrow)

why not show what jesus went through.. you do understand according to the christian belief.. he got beat up pretty bad.. the part that most miss is this..

he had to. and wait. he had to die on the cross for to pay for everyones sins..

guess what no matter what they did to him before he went on the cross he couldnt die.. now you know that no one other than him could survive that much pain and suffering. sure show him with blood.. truth hurts heh.. what he went through

for those that are jewesh and complain about this movie.. ts i say.. get your own movie.. anyway you look at it the jews were responsible to sending a man named jesus christ to the cross.. weither the world belives he was the son of God is irrelevent.. history states that a man named jesus christ was put on a cross and died..

although as a christian it lets me understand a bit more..

what i love ol mel most is the fact he didnt use popular actors in this movie.. you dont focus on the actor as you would other movies.. this will allow you to follow what is going on.. also.. with the subtitles.. you dont have a ton of mindless drones sitting infront of a screen stuffing snacks down their throats.. they actually have to pay attention.

to me.. those that get up and leave.. sorry they are under conviction in thier lives.. on some deep level someone just struck a cord and they choose to ignore it.. thats my way of seeing life so dont flame me for it.. not preaching here lol just giving a reason for the way it goes on the movie.

others complain about violence.. good lord watch LOTR or resident evil.. whats the difference..

any hew getting ready to get the night going..

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Sparhawk

I'm christian. And I didn't like the Passion. Why?

One reason: The fantasy elements. I know Jesus performed miracles, that I didn't have a problem with, but the devil-children taunting Judas, that strange beast that popped out that had no particular purpose other than the "Boo!" factor, and worst of all, SATAN. Where, oh where, in the gospels, when it talks about The Passion, does it mention Satan roaming around the crowd of the jews, looking evil and sinister, or carrying around it's antichrist baby? It just completely took the realism out of a movie that is supposed to be "the most realistic depiction of the Passion ever put on film."

Whatever, I want my 8 bucks back.

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Glad-I-Ate-Her

I saw a program tonight on the Discovery channel about the Roman Colosseum. It said that over 700,000 people died there. I wonder how many more died in other parts of the Empire. The ones who died were enemies of Rome, murderers, Gladiators and lets not forget Christians. The Romans was a bloodthirsty society that enjoyed blood, carnage and death. So The Passion depicts a small part of their legacy.


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Evil Milkman

*shrug* That's Hollywood. It always finds something to screw up.

Kaos

That would be my only gripes with The Passion. Other than the first devil ssequence where it is Jesus' last tempation to walk away from it, there really wasn't any need to include all the other Devil scenes.

I just got back from watching this movie, and I've got to say there wasn't any anti-jew, or any other anti-religion. What I came back with is this movie was ANTI-MANKIND. I feel no one has suffered as much as Jesus did in the cruxifiction, but what they did to Jesus is a major wake up to what Man is doing to their fellow man every day.

Glad-I-Ate-Her

My sentiments exactly.

Jesus loved us so much that he was willing to endure all the pain and suffering for us and ultimately die. If it wasn't for His blood to wash away our sins, we will be doomed in Hell for eternity.

Glad

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Drider_it

what jesus killing the snake fullfilled what was said in gensis.. the snake would bruise the heel of the foot but would be crushed.

the child is a mocery meant to tempt jesus.. see the bible says that you must become as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. satan holds the keys to death .. jesus when he died for our sins.. was held bound by satan for 3 days.. then bam.. he comes back..

this is all on the christian thing.. so like i said before .. if your not christan .. then . heh.. kinda pointless

and what makes you think there wasnt demons around at that time? there were many instances in the bible where demons were mentioned.. who do you think whispers in the ears of people tempting them. the devil childern were a manifastation of demons from what i saw.. but true.. know one knows really what went through judas' mind to send him to the tree to hang.

i mean think about it.. jesus was one of satans worries.. yet why would it and its minions pass up the chance to "get back at God" by having a hand in killing His son.

on a side note.. do you really know how hard the stress and anguish has to be for a person to cry blood?

also the bible states that the description of Jesus after they beat him.. he was unrecognizeable as a man. thats pretty bad.. hell the romans were so good at that scourge thing .. they could hit a person on thier side and pull out a rib.. pretty bad..

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livewirerc

Damn you, Evil Milkman! You ruined the ending for me!!!

Just kidding.

On a serious note, while I thought that graphically the movie was incredible, I'm now convinced that Mel Gibson couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag. Seriously. With the subject of the movie and that much blood and gore it's hard to make a movie that doesn't punch you in the guts, but if you want more than that then you've got to DIRECT. After watching it I watched Last Temptation of Christ and while it wasn't nearly as brutal or biblically accurate I really connected and cared for the characters. Scorsese really knows how to do it, and Mel just didn't have the chops to deliver a great movie. I'll still get it on DVD, but for some reason it just didn't do the trick for me.

Seems like the only thing that Mel brought to the movie was the capital to get it made, some Catholic dogma and a bunch of cheesy SFX shots of an ugly satan, scary children and a phantasm that goes "BOO!" to Judas. Wow, thanks for the contribution Mel. Hopefully someone who isn't a wannabe-director will someday give this incredible story the treatment it deserves, because it hasn't happened yet.

seretogis

I'm not Christian, and I thought it was a great film. Cinematography was good, and there wasn't nearly as much focus on the scourging of Christ as people have whined about. That said, it is still not a movie for children -- it is incredibly violent, and children can handle the Disney version (no pun intended) of the Bible until they get old enough to see The Passion.

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Lebell

Tell that to the idiot couples that brought their 5 yr olds to the showing I was at.

....grrrrr....

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Strange Famous

I dont mean to thread jack, but I must ask... why?

Of course being crucified was agonising, but Jesus (or Yoshua Ben Josef, as I think he would have called himself?) was hardly the only person ever to be crucified. Why doesnt the suffering of a holocaust victim tortured to death in the interogation bunker at Auschwitz absolve the world of sin?

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Drider_it

well Famous it all comes back to the christian dogma.. before jesus came living under the "law of God" was almost impossible. You had to sacriface animals to absolve your sins.

When Jesus came, he made it possible for anyone to absolve thier sins through him. See He died so that all could come to the father. (God)

If you believe he was the son of God in the flesh.. you know he was more than just human. unlike the holocaust victims.. which i think at that time in history was a bit sad in its own rights.

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mastboyx

well i really wanna see the fil but since i live in mexico the movie will not be shown yet, i guess in about a month or so it will hit the theaters hope they dont edit it too much though :S

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cynicalgrrlll

The film release of “The Passion” directed by Mel Gibson seems to have inspired audiences across the world. Unfortunately the viewers are following this trend like lambs to the slaughter. The only publicity this movie needed was encouraging anti-Semitic perceptions. The movie doesn’t seem too anti-Semitic except for that Jesus is a white guy. Why doesn’t he look more Jewish? Gibson tried to make a more accurate portrayal of The Passion by casting Italians as co-stars but they’re still technically too light. Jesus wasn’t white no matter what you see on the screen.
For the ignorant who blame Jews for Jesus’ death, Roman soldiers beat him and put him on that cross and Pontius Pilate wasn't that sympathetic in The Bible. If Jesus had been born in another part of the world those folks would be getting blame for crucifying him too. Jesus knew he was going to die, it was part of the plan, otherwise we wouldn’t have that whole forgiveness for our sins part. So no blame should be placed. Remember it was our sins that put him on that cross.
Why do so many people want to see this movie anyway? They can’t read the Bible or go to Church? People are so dependent on the media, that they will believe everything in this movie and forget that it is only Mel Gibson’s perspective on the matter. Try to educate yourself first. It seems like no one knew Jesus died in such a bloody way until the movie was released, even if this event has been a staple of the Christian faith for awhile now. Gibson was smart to make a movie of The Passion instead of one that focused on Jesus’ teachings. Who would pay to see that? That would be way too boring for people to watch. People only want to watch when someone is getting flogged and crucified. Kind of like that crowd following Jesus as he carried his cross to the hill.
Also why all these churches buying huge amounts of tickets to give to their congregation? That money could have been better spent on charity than Hollywood. I guess no one is bothered by the fact that Gibson is out to make a dollar off of Christ’s suffering as entertainment for the masses, that’s what movies are entertainment not a substitute for religious beliefs.
As for you people that went to see the movie, why didn’t you just go to church instead for two hours or volunteer for a good cause? You already know how the movie ends. If you have to see Christ brutally murdered in order for you to become sympathetic and religious again, I think you have bigger issues. If everyday life doesn't remind of the horrible atrocities people are able of committing against each other and the suffering that goes on daily, maybe you need to quit being so self involved. Just remember that when you’re caught up in your religious frenzy while seeing this movie, mob mentality killed Christ in the first place.

cynicalgrrlll

Actually most saints and maryters where killed in much more brutal ways than Christ was. He wasn't even crucified upside down which was a more common practice. Also being torn apart by lions, stoned to death, having their heads served but continuing to survive for 3 days. Just thought you should be a bit more updated on biblical proceedings

Gortexfogg

As a movie, I think "The Passion" failed horribly. If someone who had no idea who Jesus was or hadn't ever read the Bible came into watch the film, they would be pretty lost. The film can't stand up on its own unless you know the story.

The dialogue was a little dry, but they did take most lines directly from the Bible so that's to be expected. Also, Gibson uses a little too much slow motion is some scenes to the point of excess in my opinion. However, the cinematography is just awesome. The way certain shots line up remind me of the many images of the cruxifiction I've been exposed to.
Overall, I think Gibson was trying to convey the suffering of Jesus and that he really did die for our sins, and the movie conveys that well. It's a good movie, but I don't think it's as great as everyone says it is.

SecretMethod70

cynicalgrrlll for the most part I agree with you. Yet another reason I haven't bothered to see it. I read that Mel Gibson stands to make $100+ million in personal profit from this movie. Any other movie, I'd see no problem with that, but the way he's billed this one, I will not be satisfied unless I hear that he donates all profits he makes to some good cause and keeps only what is needed to make up for his expenses.

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