Any Terry Gilliam fans? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

-Ever- · 12-22-2003, 07:56 PM

Just curious. I've been an extatic fan of his work since I for as long as I can remember. I first saw the adventures of baron munchausen when I was real young (6yo) and had my first nostalgic dream because of it. Ever since then it's been nothing but whimsical, surreal, amazing movies from him in my mind. I'm head over heels for his stuff. Not just for looking at him as a director, but from seeing various movies of his throughout my life that made deep impact then slowly realizing they all came from the same director.
Another movie I like that gives me the same feeling as his movies is City of the Lost Children (french-Juenet y Caro, directors of Amelie and Delicatessen)...Any other recomendation?
Just wanted to strike a conversation with other dreamers. I'm pretty bored.
-T

anleja · 12-22-2003, 09:30 PM

Hmm, I've seen Brazil, 12 Monkeys, Monty Python Search for the Holy Grail, and the Fisher King. Didn't he also make Time Bandits?

I like his movies a lot. I haven't seen Brazil since I was a little kid, perhaps I should revisit it, it'd probably make more sense.

The Fisher King is one of those movies I can't get enough of. It is a very involving movie.

Have you seen Dancer in the Dark? It is pretty inventive and fanciful. A bit depressing at the end, but I think someone who likes Amelie would like it. Not that they are really similar, but, yeah, give it a try if you haven't already.

guthmund · 12-23-2003, 02:38 AM

I'm a big fan of Brazil and The Fisher King. Of course, his Monty Python stuff was good...

I keep hearing about a Don Quixote movie he seems to be quagmired in. I don't know much about it, but to be truthful I haven't really looked that hard....

Charlatan · 12-23-2003, 06:20 AM

Don Quixote is dead. There was a film made of the making of Don Quixote called Lost in La Mancha. It is a document that shows Murphy's Law at its best.

I've been a fan of Gilliam since I saw Brazil when it first came out. I had seen some of his earlier works with the Python's and Time Bandits prior to Brazil but had no clue who the director was (I was young... ).

After seeing Brazil my way of looking at films changed. It was an eye opening experience to say the least. Brazil and, believe it or not, Raiders of the Lost Ark were the two films that sparked me to work in the film business.

BTW if you liked City of Lost Children rent Delicatessen, Caro and Jeunet's early film. Mind blowingly odd. You should also have a look at some of the following films:

Pretty much anything by Luis Benuel (start with Un chien andalou and work up his filmography form there)

El Topo by Alejandro Jodorowsky
The Holy Mountain by Alejandro Jodorowsky

Giant Hamburger · 12-23-2003, 08:39 AM

I have always loved Terry Gilliam more than any other director.

His 1977 film Jabberwocky must be mentioned as a must see for Gilliam fans. His crown jewel for me will always be Brazil. 2004 should find us watching his latest effort, The Brothers Grimm.

I feel I must also second the recommendations of El Topo and Delicatessen. They are delightful to watch.
-GH

Conclamo Ludus · 12-23-2003, 09:35 AM

I love Gilliam. From what I've read, the movies:

Time Bandits
Brazil
Adventures of Baron Munchausen

comprise a loosely connected trilogy, linked only in themes. They all refer to imagination and dreams that have spun somewhat out of control and the challenges of keeping that side of your mind in balance.

Time Bandits = Childhood imagination
Brazil = Middle-age dreams run amok
A of Baron M = elderly imagination filling in the holes of what you no longer remember.

I love his adaptation of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Brilliant filmography. I'm very disappointed that Don Quixote fell apart, but I'm looking forward to The Brothers Grimm and Good Omens.

IMDB Links:

The Brothers Grimm Link
Good Omens Link

Can't wait.

-Ever- · 12-23-2003, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charlatan

BTW if you liked City of Lost Children rent Delicatessen, Caro and Jeunet's early film. Mind blowingly odd. You should also have a look at some of the following films:

Pretty much anything by Luis Benuel (start with Un chien andalou and work up his filmography form there)

El Topo by Alejandro Jodorowsky
The Holy Mountain by Alejandro Jodorowsky

Yeah I picked up Delicatessen about 6 months ago and thought it was pretty wild! I liked it though.
I just finished my first film class and of all the directors I want to look into that I learned in it, Benuel stood out to be the oddest and most interesting.

I've never heard of El Topo or The Holy Mountain. I'll look into them. Thanks
-T

Kush · 12-23-2003, 02:41 PM

Yeah, Gilliam is amazing. All of his stuff is excellent, and best of all, he recommends people read more Philip K. Dick.

Jadey · 12-26-2003, 12:55 PM

Huge Terry Gillima fan. I didn't like Jabberwocky though. Anyway, I've branched out and just saw City of Lost Children by Juenet. Great movie. -Ever- thanks for the tip.

I just saw Amelie for the first time also. Finally, I have Delicatessen that I will probably watch this weekend. I need MORE!!!!

Vales419 · 12-26-2003, 01:15 PM

All I have to say is

Fear and Loating in Las Vegas.

Excellent flick.

12 Monkeys was amazing too.

Peace.

V.

teshadoh · 12-27-2003, 05:22 PM

I am really really really looking forward to next year's 'Brothers Grimm' film. Also just read that he is also releasing 'Good Omens' which is based on a Terry Pratchert book (good combination).

jvwgtr · 12-29-2003, 07:52 AM

I love Terry Gilliam!
I had the extreme pleasure of meeting him in London at a screening of the director's cut of Brazil. He drew a little cartoon and signed my ticket!

I watched Lost in La Mancha last weekend, and it just broke my heart to see everything dissolve like that... but I can't wait for The Brothers Grimm!

If you're a fan of slightly tilted movies, check out Leolo...though it doesn't appear to be available on DVD yet.

frankx · 01-08-2004, 06:55 PM

Terry Gilliam is indeed one of the best directors on the planet (if not THE best). Brazil is one of my favorite movies, and if you want an example of a director with integrity, read about Terry Gilliam's fight with the studio over Brazil. Other favorites are 12 Monkeys and The Fisher King.

livewirerc · 01-09-2004, 01:04 AM

Terry Gilliam ranks up there with Kubrick and Lynch as my top 3 favorite directors. So far my fave of his movies has been Brazil, though Time Bandits does bring back many childhood memories of seeing it for the first time when I was a kiddo.

Charlatan: Great mention of Jodorowsky. Another of his movies (and my favorite) is called Santa Sangre, and it's a love story about circus performers. The funeral scene with all the clowns in black is some of the most beautiful imagery I've ever seen on film. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.

Moskie · 01-09-2004, 03:17 AM

Well I feel like a dunce.

I really had no idea that Gilliam had a career beyond Python. I've seen 12 Monkeys and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which I think are great movies, but I never realized that the Terry Gilliam I know from Monty Python was involved with them.

I'll have to check out these suggestions.

notaneel · 01-19-2004, 08:45 PM

you can't beat Brazil or 12 Monkeys....not even with a stick

-Ever- · 12-08-2004, 10:48 PM

Just wanted to give the post a random bump. For those that didn't know, The Brothers Grimm is well into post-production by now and he already began filming Tideland. Grimm will surely do just fine and Tideland is going alright so far (besides a few of the classic Gillam mishaps!) Hopefully they'll both do well in the box office and he'll be able to finally have a solid back for all the other projects he's talked about doing for years.

A great website for TG info:
http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/

-T

Derwood · 12-09-2004, 08:00 AM

I saw Brazil for the first time recently and found it highly overrated and terribly dated.

But 12 Monkeys and Fisher King are excellent.

Catmandu · 12-10-2004, 08:16 AM

I'm a big Gilliam fan. 12 Monkeys is a fave of mine, as are most of his other films. Atter seeing Lost In La Mancha, I'm amazed that anyone would be willing to hand him a camera. I didn't realize that the Don Quixote film was not the first of his work to have difficulties. I think they mentioned that Munchausen was almost shut down. As much as I love the guy, it seems as though there has been some suspect decision-making along the way.

Homey_V · 12-10-2004, 10:05 AM

I love him, but unfortunately I dont have time to watch enough of his movies... Brazil was just amazing. I love it. And his Python stuff is great too. Hell, I like everything I've seen by him. Its hard not to.

-Ever- · 12-10-2004, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catmandu

I'm a big Gilliam fan. 12 Monkeys is a fave of mine, as are most of his other films. Atter seeing Lost In La Mancha, I'm amazed that anyone would be willing to hand him a camera. I didn't realize that the Don Quixote film was not the first of his work to have difficulties. I think they mentioned that Munchausen was almost shut down. As much as I love the guy, it seems as though there has been some suspect decision-making along the way.

From what I've gathered, it seems almost inevitable that these kinds of things will happen. I figure that he's such a dreamer with such strong images of what he wants to see in his mind that he struggles with the smaller things to get everything perfect and isn't that good at managing overall projects. I think this is the way I'd be if I made movies too, which is why I stick to much, much smaller art projects

Charlatan · 12-10-2004, 10:50 AM

Hell you want to talk about odd directors who, if the bean counters had their way would never make films, just look at Stanley Kubrick. It is amazing that his films ever got made given how he would make them...

Gilliam is a strange cat but his movies never fail to be interesting...

Derwood... I'm surprised to hear you felt Brazil was "dated and overrated". I can't think of many films that qualify for the title timeless classic... but if there ever was one that deserved that title it was Brazil.

It's themes of lost identity, paranoia and out of control bureaucracy were way ahead of their time...

Jesus Pimp · 12-10-2004, 03:19 PM

Terry Gilliam is one of my favorite Directors of all time. My favorite films of his were 12 Monkeys, Brazil, Fear & Loathing, and all his Monty Python films.

TexanAvenger · 12-10-2004, 07:41 PM

Both Brazil and 12 Monkies still have a spot in my heart and in my movie collection. Not to my parents tastes, despite my efforts, but they'll live.

Charlatan- I love 2001 with a passion, but I've had a problem with Kubrick since I saw A Clockwork Orange. Not that it wasn't a good movie in its own right, but where most movies based on books vary from the original, Kubrick completely changed the point of the story by refusing to add the final chapter of the book. That, to me, is a travesty and greatly lowers his standings in my eyes.

Val_1 · 12-10-2004, 07:53 PM

Love Terry Gilliam. One of my favoite directors. I have most of his movies on DVD and force people to watch them on a regular basis. It amazes me how he can get his movies made since they definitely aren't commercial and, except for Fische King, I don't think they really do all that well financially. At the rate he gats a movie made, though, it seems like he really has to work at getting the money together. But, I'm glad he manages to get the cash, because his movies sure are a refreashing change from the constant drival Hollywood puts out. Can't wait for Brothers Grimm next year!

alarment13 · 12-10-2004, 10:24 PM

other then the python stuff, I have only seen 12 monkeys, adv of Baron M, and Fear and Loathing, all of which I really liked. Have never seen brazil, but from all of this talk about it, I think it deserves a long overdue watch

-Ever- · 12-10-2004, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alarment13

other then the python stuff, I have only seen 12 monkeys, adv of Baron M, and Fear and Loathing, all of which I really liked. Have never seen brazil, but from all of this talk about it, I think it deserves a long overdue watch

Yeah I've avoided all the talk to. To be honest, I've only seen it once a while ago and don't remember liking it a ton. I think giving it another chance is well past due!

-T

Antikarma · 12-10-2004, 11:03 PM

Props, Its nice to see that I'm not the only one. Heck from the sounds of these posts I may be i the majority ranking him as one of my favorites.

12-22-2003, 07:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	Any Terry Gilliam fans? Just curious. I've been an extatic fan of his work since I for as long as I can remember. I first saw the adventures of baron munchausen when I was real young (6yo) and had my first nostalgic dream because of it. Ever since then it's been nothing but whimsical, surreal, amazing movies from him in my mind. I'm head over heels for his stuff. Not just for looking at him as a director, but from seeing various movies of his throughout my life that made deep impact then slowly realizing they all came from the same director. Another movie I like that gives me the same feeling as his movies is City of the Lost Children (french-Juenet y Caro, directors of Amelie and Delicatessen)...Any other recomendation? Just wanted to strike a conversation with other dreamers. I'm pretty bored. -T __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses-- Last edited by -Ever-; 12-08-2004 at 10:50 PM..

12-23-2003, 02:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I'm a big fan of Brazil and The Fisher King. Of course, his Monty Python stuff was good... I keep hearing about a Don Quixote movie he seems to be quagmired in. I don't know much about it, but to be truthful I haven't really looked that hard.... __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

12-23-2003, 06:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Don Quixote is dead. There was a film made of the making of Don Quixote called Lost in La Mancha. It is a document that shows Murphy's Law at its best. I've been a fan of Gilliam since I saw Brazil when it first came out. I had seen some of his earlier works with the Python's and Time Bandits prior to Brazil but had no clue who the director was (I was young... ). After seeing Brazil my way of looking at films changed. It was an eye opening experience to say the least. Brazil and, believe it or not, Raiders of the Lost Ark were the two films that sparked me to work in the film business. BTW if you liked City of Lost Children rent Delicatessen, Caro and Jeunet's early film. Mind blowingly odd. You should also have a look at some of the following films: Pretty much anything by Luis Benuel (start with Un chien andalou and work up his filmography form there) El Topo by Alejandro Jodorowsky The Holy Mountain by Alejandro Jodorowsky __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

12-23-2003, 09:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	I love Gilliam. From what I've read, the movies: Time Bandits Brazil Adventures of Baron Munchausen comprise a loosely connected trilogy, linked only in themes. They all refer to imagination and dreams that have spun somewhat out of control and the challenges of keeping that side of your mind in balance. Time Bandits = Childhood imagination Brazil = Middle-age dreams run amok A of Baron M = elderly imagination filling in the holes of what you no longer remember. I love his adaptation of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Brilliant filmography. I'm very disappointed that Don Quixote fell apart, but I'm looking forward to The Brothers Grimm and Good Omens. IMDB Links: The Brothers Grimm Link Good Omens Link Can't wait. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

12-23-2003, 02:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kush Insane Location: Ecosse.	Yeah, Gilliam is amazing. All of his stuff is excellent, and best of all, he recommends people read more Philip K. Dick. __________________ I like this forum. A lot.

12-22-2003, 09:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
anleja disconnected Location: ignoreland	Hmm, I've seen Brazil, 12 Monkeys, Monty Python Search for the Holy Grail, and the Fisher King. Didn't he also make Time Bandits? I like his movies a lot. I haven't seen Brazil since I was a little kid, perhaps I should revisit it, it'd probably make more sense. The Fisher King is one of those movies I can't get enough of. It is a very involving movie. Have you seen Dancer in the Dark? It is pretty inventive and fanciful. A bit depressing at the end, but I think someone who likes Amelie would like it. Not that they are really similar, but, yeah, give it a try if you haven't already.

12-23-2003, 08:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Giant Hamburger Gastrolithuanian Location: low-velocity Earth orbit	I have always loved Terry Gilliam more than any other director. His 1977 film Jabberwocky must be mentioned as a must see for Gilliam fans. His crown jewel for me will always be Brazil. 2004 should find us watching his latest effort, The Brothers Grimm. I feel I must also second the recommendations of El Topo and Delicatessen. They are delightful to watch. -GH

12-26-2003, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jadey This Space For Rent Location: Davenport, Iowa	Huge Terry Gillima fan. I didn't like Jabberwocky though. Anyway, I've branched out and just saw City of Lost Children by Juenet. Great movie. -Ever- thanks for the tip. I just saw Amelie for the first time also. Finally, I have Delicatessen that I will probably watch this weekend. I need MORE!!!!

12-26-2003, 01:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vales419 Crazy Location: Purgatory	All I have to say is Fear and Loating in Las Vegas. Excellent flick. 12 Monkeys was amazing too. Peace. V. __________________ "Here's ten bucks, bring me the head of Barry Manilow" --Dr. Denis Leary

12-27-2003, 05:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
teshadoh Insane	I am really really really looking forward to next year's 'Brothers Grimm' film. Also just read that he is also releasing 'Good Omens' which is based on a Terry Pratchert book (good combination).

12-29-2003, 07:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
jvwgtr Completely bananas Location: Florida	I love Terry Gilliam! I had the extreme pleasure of meeting him in London at a screening of the director's cut of Brazil. He drew a little cartoon and signed my ticket! I watched Lost in La Mancha last weekend, and it just broke my heart to see everything dissolve like that... but I can't wait for The Brothers Grimm! If you're a fan of slightly tilted movies, check out Leolo...though it doesn't appear to be available on DVD yet.

01-08-2004, 06:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
frankx Psycho Location: The Tip of the Boot	Terry Gilliam is indeed one of the best directors on the planet (if not THE best). Brazil is one of my favorite movies, and if you want an example of a director with integrity, read about Terry Gilliam's fight with the studio over Brazil. Other favorites are 12 Monkeys and The Fisher King. __________________ Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunken Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign

01-09-2004, 01:04 AM	#14 (permalink)
livewirerc Insane Location: Austin, TX	Terry Gilliam ranks up there with Kubrick and Lynch as my top 3 favorite directors. So far my fave of his movies has been Brazil, though Time Bandits does bring back many childhood memories of seeing it for the first time when I was a kiddo. Charlatan: Great mention of Jodorowsky. Another of his movies (and my favorite) is called Santa Sangre, and it's a love story about circus performers. The funeral scene with all the clowns in black is some of the most beautiful imagery I've ever seen on film. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.

01-09-2004, 03:17 AM	#15 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	Well I feel like a dunce. I really had no idea that Gilliam had a career beyond Python. I've seen 12 Monkeys and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which I think are great movies, but I never realized that the Terry Gilliam I know from Monty Python was involved with them. I'll have to check out these suggestions. __________________ Greetings and salutations.

01-19-2004, 08:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
notaneel Crazy	you can't beat Brazil or 12 Monkeys....not even with a stick __________________ "I don't have no trouble with you fuckin' me/But I have a little problem with you not fuckin' me" - Ol' Dirty Bastard

12-08-2004, 10:48 PM	#17 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	Just wanted to give the post a random bump. For those that didn't know, The Brothers Grimm is well into post-production by now and he already began filming Tideland. Grimm will surely do just fine and Tideland is going alright so far (besides a few of the classic Gillam mishaps!) Hopefully they'll both do well in the box office and he'll be able to finally have a solid back for all the other projects he's talked about doing for years. A great website for TG info: http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/ -T __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses--

12-09-2004, 08:00 AM	#18 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	I saw Brazil for the first time recently and found it highly overrated and terribly dated. But 12 Monkeys and Fisher King are excellent. __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

12-10-2004, 08:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
Catmandu Insane Location: Seattle	I'm a big Gilliam fan. 12 Monkeys is a fave of mine, as are most of his other films. Atter seeing Lost In La Mancha, I'm amazed that anyone would be willing to hand him a camera. I didn't realize that the Don Quixote film was not the first of his work to have difficulties. I think they mentioned that Munchausen was almost shut down. As much as I love the guy, it seems as though there has been some suspect decision-making along the way.

12-10-2004, 10:05 AM	#20 (permalink)
Homey_V Psycho Location: Canada	I love him, but unfortunately I dont have time to watch enough of his movies... Brazil was just amazing. I love it. And his Python stuff is great too. Hell, I like everything I've seen by him. Its hard not to. __________________ You did what with a duck?

12-10-2004, 10:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Hell you want to talk about odd directors who, if the bean counters had their way would never make films, just look at Stanley Kubrick. It is amazing that his films ever got made given how he would make them... Gilliam is a strange cat but his movies never fail to be interesting... Derwood... I'm surprised to hear you felt Brazil was "dated and overrated". I can't think of many films that qualify for the title timeless classic... but if there ever was one that deserved that title it was Brazil. It's themes of lost identity, paranoia and out of control bureaucracy were way ahead of their time... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

12-10-2004, 03:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Terry Gilliam is one of my favorite Directors of all time. My favorite films of his were 12 Monkeys, Brazil, Fear & Loathing, and all his Monty Python films. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

12-10-2004, 07:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
TexanAvenger Born-Again New Guy Location: Unfound.	Both Brazil and 12 Monkies still have a spot in my heart and in my movie collection. Not to my parents tastes, despite my efforts, but they'll live. Charlatan- I love 2001 with a passion, but I've had a problem with Kubrick since I saw A Clockwork Orange. Not that it wasn't a good movie in its own right, but where most movies based on books vary from the original, Kubrick completely changed the point of the story by refusing to add the final chapter of the book. That, to me, is a travesty and greatly lowers his standings in my eyes.

12-10-2004, 07:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
Val_1 Addict Location: In a State of Denial	Love Terry Gilliam. One of my favoite directors. I have most of his movies on DVD and force people to watch them on a regular basis. It amazes me how he can get his movies made since they definitely aren't commercial and, except for Fische King, I don't think they really do all that well financially. At the rate he gats a movie made, though, it seems like he really has to work at getting the money together. But, I'm glad he manages to get the cash, because his movies sure are a refreashing change from the constant drival Hollywood puts out. Can't wait for Brothers Grimm next year! __________________ I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. -Frank Sinatra Last edited by Val_1; 12-10-2004 at 08:48 PM..

12-10-2004, 10:24 PM	#26 (permalink)
alarment13 Crazy	other then the python stuff, I have only seen 12 monkeys, adv of Baron M, and Fear and Loathing, all of which I really liked. Have never seen brazil, but from all of this talk about it, I think it deserves a long overdue watch

12-10-2004, 11:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
Antikarma Psycho Location: Yellowknife, NWT	Props, Its nice to see that I'm not the only one. Heck from the sounds of these posts I may be i the majority ranking him as one of my favorites. __________________ "Whoever you are, go out into the evening, leaving your room, of which you know each bit; your house is the last before the infinite, whoever you are."