Yeah and so why is he able to destoy the machines in the "real world"

Revolutions explained that Neo was in contact with the Source at one point (the center of the machine world). Smith was in contact with it as well...hence both of them having spectacular powers in both worlds. Yes, it does go off the deep end, but that's the explanation that the movie gives.

-Lasereth

i thought that would have made an aporpo ending.

i liked it. it was entertaining.. since i saw it as a screener.. i'm not upset about the $20 it would have cost me and the wife to see it.

but I'm glad I saw it, it was enjoyable, and entertaining. I wish that it was more, but I walked away satistied.

It was their duality that doomed them both. The second Neo was integrated into the Smiths, there was no longer the imbalance that created and fed them. That's my 2 cents, your milage may vary.

If you don't like something you watched it for the wrong reason? That sounds like some kooky pseudo-philosophy straight out of Reloaded.

Whatever.

I despised Reloaded (not because I didn't understand it, as some people keep insisting MUST be the case if I didn't like it, but because I did understand it, and was underwhelmed), but rather enjoyed Revolutions. I already knew not to expect anything remotely resembling the groundbreaking coolnes of The Matrix, so I was pleasantly suprised when Revolutions stopped trying to be so damned intelligent and just became a really good kick ass action movie. It owns most other action movies out there.

Reloaded was too smart for its own good, and made the mistake of bringing up more questions than it could possibly answer. Revolutions seemed to say "Screw all that crap we brought up in Reloaded....look at THIS!!"

And I'm glad they did. Because it's a fun, entertaining film.

Hello all,

First off I thought it was an excellent trilogy as a whole. Great story, great actors and kick ass fighting scenes. As for Revolutions, I was a little dissapointed because the story left me a little unsatisfied. The visual aspects including the siege on Zion was amazing. One of the coolest things I have seen in a long time. The last fight scene was very cool, but I felt it was a little short. I believe it was a good way to end the trilogy, but it did leave some open questions that I thought it should have ended. I love Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith, he did one hell of a job.

I loved all three of these movies and if I would have to put in them in order as my favorite to least, I would put them in the order that there were released.
Matrix
Matrix-Reloaded
Matrix-Revolutions

Have a good one and take it easy!

Peace.

V.

Bane was turned into Smith because he got infected inside the Matrix. His mind changed while inside the Matrix. Just like if you die inside the Matrix you die in the real world, his mind was changed in the real world.

Neo had a connection in the real world to the machines. This connection allowed him to blow up the machines, but since it was only a connection to the machines it didn't give him his kung foo abilities nor could he fly or anything else like that. He was in the real world and therefore had to abide by the rules of the real world with no way around it. He just had the connection to the machines and nothing else.

The only problem I have with Revolutions is the attack on Zion... what happened to the Sentinels lasers? They were attacking things with their claws, not using their lasers. That seemed kind of pointless to me. Just a small problem I have with it, the movie still kicked ass.

Lasereth didnt Neo's act of stopping the sentinels in Reloaded cause him to touch the Source and go into the coma. I think that is what the Oracle said. It had nothing to do with his powers. As for Smith/Bane touching the source when did that happen expect for the end when he "died".

they only used those lasers for cutting through the ships so they could get inside. they were short range at that.

the claws had a longer range and they utilized horde strategies.

I will now post a livejournal review here.


my friend wrote that, I 100% agree.

oh, a lot of people forget, there may be an alternate ending on the DVD because I almost have a suspicion that they left it open on purpose for the sake of promoting thier Matrix ONLINE game... oh joy.

I enjoyed it. I was a bit disappointed in how the story was shown. But I wasn't disappointed with the story. I think the answers are there, but they certainly aren't clear, as if they were for any of the movies in the series.

Here's my thoughts in very VERY basic terms.

From what I understood is that the machines needed the humans again. The machines were growing to a critical mass in which they could no longer acheive any sort of progression. Hence all the duality and hence the architect being there to "balance the equation". The Oracle's job was to unbalance the equation. She set about to acheive a way to bring the humans back into the equation in order to reach a way to progress again. This got out of her control with programs "acting" human, Merovingian, Agent Smith, etc. She needed the "One" to meld the humans and machines into a world that they can be codependent on eachother. Agent Smith threatened this. The One could cancel him out. Neo is an extremely powerful human, Smith is an extremely powerful program. Get rid of the extremes when they cancel eachother out, and you can reach an equilibrium.

This is certainly not the whole story, and I just walked out of the theater and haven't thought about it much more yet. I'm looking forward to hearing people's take on the whole story. I'm sure there is plenty I haven't picked up on yet.

For those of us who LIKED Revolutions...
 

The Matrix website has been updated with a WEALTH of really neat stuff... Below is a picture of the Hex code you need to get to the 128-bit code section (the 128 section they JUST opened) and the code you need to get past the 128 bit... then you have access to the ZION archives which is just amazing... It has almost TOO much info there. Black cat indeed. If you don't know about the codes, the Matrix website has long had a code section that was partially hidden. Go to the high-speed version of the site, in the upper-right navigation there is a little yellow dot, click that, then a small panel slides out, click the little box next to low-bandwidth. Binary access will now be available. Below are all the codes... then the picture to get to the ZION archives. ENJOY!


Input Codes (This button is located just to the upper-right of the MAINFRAME box):

agentbullettime - Agent Bullet-time Video
crash - Helocopter Crash Video
steak - Opens Various Links
dejavu - Original Sketches
trinity - Trinity Storyboard Video
morpheus - Sketches and Computer Generated Sets
guns - Poster
wrong number - Poster
darrow - (bf) Movie Art
skroce - Movie Art
geof - Sentiel Art
wrong number - Matrix Comix Season 3 Pinups
tokyo - Tokyo Appearance Video
keanu - Actor Introduction Video
carrie - Actor Introduction Video
laurence - Actor Introduction Video


Binary Codes:

01101111 - Access Panel 2 (HEX panel)
11101000 - (bf) Philosophy
11010100 - Animatrix Wallpaper
11101001 - Trinity Drawing
00011000 - Concept Illustrator Audio Clip
10110110 - Stunt Coordinator Audio Clip
10000001 - Classic Website
11011011 - Room VR


Hexidecimal Codes:

0AC01BFA - 128 Bit Codes (To the ZION archives)

23631BE6 - VR (Grate hall, Keys)
FFF0020A - VR (Ghosts Room, Bathroom, Chateau Dungeon)
4516DF45 - VR (Chateau Office, Hallway, Parkade)
FFFFFFF1 - VR (Parkade, Keys, Grate Hall)
FF00001A - VR (Neb)
0034AFFF - VR (China Town)
69E5D9E4 - VR (Sewer, Chateau, Parkade)
F446A392 - Desktop Viewer
38CA2FB1 - Desktop Viewer
1DDF2556 - 3D ETM Environment
35d67173 - 3D ETM Environment
13D2C77F - 3D ETM Environment
B25F33A6 - 3D ETM Environment
D5C55D1E - 3D ETM Environment
BB013FFF - 3D ETM Environment
7867F443 - 3D ETM Environment
587E1A2C - Tunnel Recon Game (Removed)
3A342CE3 - (bf) Revolutions Teaser
10383910 - Ultra Revolutions Trailer
CC883300 - Sample Code
098CA701 - Doorway Wallpaper
EC306071 - VR (Kitchen)
F03350B1 - Art Department
0081CF5E - Visual Effects
D487A317 - Detective Story Preview
98765432 - Ultra-Sized Trailer Preview
A3B1A428 - 2nd Renaissance Preview (Removed)
D53D49F9 - Unloco Video Clip
A8C3F9AD - Deftones Video Clip
43E17AC9 - Making of Pics
C1B49F13 - "Sleeping Awake" Lyrics
8D966F2A - P.O.D. Interview
64CF29E3 - "Sleeping Awake" Making of part I
19A642BF - "Sleeping Awake" Making of part II
25DB928F - (bf) Contest
A3B1A428 - Virtual Assembly Neb
8E217AC9 - Soundtrack Lyrics
7F4DF451 - Soundtrack Lyrics


128 Bit Codes:

3195A3F6E72B543C6977DA16E7895B3E - Zion Archives


HERE'S THE PICTURE OF WHAT THE HEX SHOULD LOOK LIKE TO AID YOU:

http://students.uwf.edu/slr6/zionarchives.jpg

Neo touched the source when he was talking to the Architect. Smith never actually touched it, he gained powers by taking over all the people of the Matrix, and also by the Architect "balancing" the Matrix. Neo and Smith were opposites, they had to balance eachother out.

Also, Smith is not a program! He is a virus and Neo is an anomilie which is why they are able to avoid the laws of physics.

No... Neo is Smith's antivirus... He let SMith clone him so that the Matrix could use his code against him.

Yeah, a lot of people seem to be forgetting that Smith isn't an agent anymore. I've actually found that multiple reviewers are saying this and criticizing Revolutions for Smith being so powerful. You're entitled to an opinion, but it makes me mad when they mess up huge plot information!

-Lasereth

To answer Phyz's original question with complete clarity:

"I don't wanna remember nothing... Nothing! And I wanna be someone important... like an actor." Cypher, while being disgruntled but not insane, certainly believed that the matrix could reinsert both his body and his mind, changing his entire belief structure, personal memories, personality, everything that he thinks he is, into the system.

So, if Cypher can be a zion rebel, jack into the matrix and become a whole new person, then he can also be taken back out of the matrix *after* being changed (into an actor, supposedly named Reagan, with a real history of being (lu)cypher... wink wink). So the technology for a total neuronal take over is within the matrix, Smith just happened to gain that power in a very hacked, on-the-fly sort of fashion.

Thus, Bane jacks in, is taken over (and the change is both in his matrix avatar AND his personal, physical gray matter), and jacks out... as Agent Smith.

I think a lot of you have missed some of the much deeper underlying biblical connections of this trilogy. All the answers you seek are there, but not smashed against your nose so that you're sure not to miss it. Personally, I feel the entire Matrix trilogy is an incredible piece of literary science fiction. I really enjoy discussing these movies, so by all means ask questions and slam my opinions back in my face. That's where the fun lies. However, I ask that you do so without personal attacks, there's no point in responding.

The entire Matrix trilogy really ties in closely to western religion. Each character can be considered a counterpart from religious texts. The Architect for example would be God. He's created an Eden for the humans to live in. Consider a quote by Agent Smith, "the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy." However, humans demanded the ability to choose. They wanted free will. They chose to cast themselves from the Garden and live in the much dirtier, hard world full of suffering and imperfection. I.E. they take the 'red pill' and are removed from Eden.

Eventually the humans decide they can wipe out God by blackening the sky. However, as we know, the humans lose the war and are cast aside. Several versions of the Matrix are attempted, but all are refused by the humans. Finally one edition of the Matrix is designed to allow the Humans to grow, or choice. The machines don't understand this growth and fight it. When designing the third Matrix, referred to as 3.0, the Oracle realizes that this growth will eventually give humans the ability to cross the Matrix and the Real World. She however, sees this ability as a benefit to both man and machine, as this is the only way the machines will learn to evolve. By combining both man and machine, it will bring the machine evolution that is required.

Now enters Neo 1. He chooses to give rebirth to Zion, or chooses the door to the right. Thus the cycle of previous Neo's begins. They go through 5 before we get to our current Neo. Here are some quotes from the Architect scene in Reloaded.

The mother he refers to is the Oracle. She's found what it is that the humans need in order to accept their reality, however, it also what will eventually lead to the end of the war and bring humans and machines back together. Each Neo has learned and grown slightly from the previous, until our Neo chooses Trinity. Instead of rebirth again for Zion, he chooses the door on the left. Thus the Revolution begins.

Where Neo is the saviour of humanity, Smith could also be considered the same for machines. As Neo realizes his ablitity to cross the gap between humans and machines, Smith also learns this ability though from machines to humans. Thus is why he's able to tap into the human form and take over Bane's body. This also explains why Neo is able to see the machine's as the light in the real world. They've begun the crossing of both planes, that eventually leads to the coexistence of humans and machines in the end. However, Smith also learned how to grow similar to humans. Beforehand, machines were uncapable of this growth. They worked in a simplistic perfection, fullfilling only the purpose of their existence. Because of this Smith becomes the virus of the machine world, spreading thoughout and threatening the future exsistence of the machines. Because of Neo's ability to cross the machine and human world, he lead Smith to a point that the machines were able to destroy him permanently. Thus is what happens at the end of Revolutions, through Neo the machines destory the virus Smith has become.

I read a lot of you complaining about the child that's prevailent through the movie. She too is a symbol of the future coexhistence of machines and humans. The machines didn't understand love on a human level, but as the program (the father of the child) revealed, they understood the connection between two programs. Thus this is the first child born of a human understanding. She serves no purpose, thus is why she's subject to deletion. Remember, the machines serve only their purpose, they don't grow or evolve. To save his child, the father has her trancend the machine world and the matrix via the frenchman and the train station. He's basically smuggling her inside where she'll be safe. This child is the 'last exile' because of her 'birth' via two programs who created her via a human trait. Thus the child herself is basically human.

The conclusion of the film was the perfect ending in my opinion, to what's to happen in the future for man and machine. The humans will be freed.

This ending also leaves the assumption that eventualy this coexistence will wear thin. More than likely another form of the Matrix will be redeveloped and another annomoly, probably Neo from the Oracles quote about seeing him again, will rise and the cycle will begin again. Definitely leaves another movie or more open for the future.

That's the best post about the series.

I remember the lasers were powerful enough to cut through the hull of the Nebekanezzer (sp?) and then through the next level or two of interior equipment and decking... but I *could* be wrong.

_________________


I'm just glad the series is over and ... yeah. That's all I have to say.

i still don't totally understand neo's powers...at the end of reloaded when he stopped the machines as well as in revolutions...i understand that he was at the source when he talked with the architect but i don't see how that gives him extra powers...

Two things I'd like to mention, Smith had a screen presence in Revolutions that I have never felt before, as he walked into the room where the Oracle sat smoking her cigarette I was overwhelmed with fear, no on-screen villain has ever been able to do that to me.

Second thing, when the machines takes Neo's body away we see it in Neo's special vision, I assumed that it meant Neo was still alive but his purpose was fulfilled so his existance is no longer required... I'm not sure why it is they put that shot in there...

I for one was happy about the negative, reviews. I went in expecting a crappy movie and was surprised by it being pretty good.

The movie is not the worst movie I've paid to see, and it's far from the best, but it was a good use of my time. The battle scenes were amazing, unlike most CG, I completely forgot it was made by a computer. The plot had holes, the music was terrible compared to the first one (more conventional, where the first one was uber-slick), and it didn't really feel like it related to the first one at all. The first one was a very small scale movie, where small victories mattered. The third one tried to turn the series into this crazy epic scope. It proved to be too large of a jump.

It was especially well made, and certain things were brilliant. Agent Smith, Zion, the fact that the violence in the real world seemed so much more.... disturbing than that of the matrix, the glimmer of sunlight.

yeah i could have done without the sunset shit.

i thought the movie was way too predictable. i was saying the lines before they did at times and it was the first (obviously) time i saw it.

good fighting scenes though as always.

slight confusion. I see where to enter the Input codes. Those work fine. However, I do not see where to enter the binary, Hex, or 128-bit codes....?

Do you enter them in the same place as the Input codes? I've never messed around that much with the site, so I might be missing out on something obvious.

Help please? Thank you.

Mikado good
 

Mikado...from everything I have read, I relate to everything you have said the most.

I liked the way it ended. It ended the only way the movie could have ended.

Thanks for the time to write everything out. Reading it helped me organize me thoughts on the triology. Good work.

disappointment like no other

i thought the reason neo can destroy stuff in the real world is becuse of the corruption with smith at the end of the first movie. i haven't seen the latest one though.

is the young girls reason for being to "make the sky"?

The girl symbolizes the beginning of the revolution of the machine and human world. She's the first machine 'born' of two programs under the basic fundamental that humans call 'love'. Though the machines can't love in a way humans can, they understand the connection between the two programs that love creates. Thus the little girl is basically human, but 'born' of machine parents. She's the beginning of the machines evolution and their coexistence with the humans.

BTW, thank you Lord Humungus. I appreciate the comments. I really love this trilogy, and think the W. brothers did an amazing job bringing it all to film.

How in the hell is the Oracle there at the end of the movie, enjoying the sunset, when Smith absorbs / takes her over halfway through the movie? She becomes another Smith, just like everyone else Smith takes over. Do all of the people Smith "absorbs" revert back to themselves onces Smith is terminated? There is no evidence to support this whatsoever.

Wtf.

Also, the sunset at the end is great and everything but, we're still being shone the inside of the matrix. We are looking at the Oracle, and since the Oracle is a program in the matrix, we know the sunset doesn't actually exist. What is happening in the REAL world? That's what matters. That was the whole point of the movie.

So Wtf to that one, too.

your first question.... my understanding is that Smith was VIRUS. A virus infects files/programs and such. Through Neo the computers where able to elminate the Virus from the matrix. What happens to a file or program you have when a virus has been removed? You are left with the file or program right? Once the virus was removed from the system, the matrix was restored.

To your second question, we saw just before that what was going on in the real world. The machines and humans had a truce. Then inside the system, we were shown the Architect and Oracle discuss the release of those that wanted to be freed so we were basically told humans would be freed.

I have to agree with Mikado that though there is a truce now between man and machine it will grow thin and the entire cycle will repeat itself bringing about another war and another savior.

History repeats itself...over and over and over and over.

Thats just my take on it.

If agent smith took over everyone in the matrix wouldnt he still exist in the cocooned bodies of everyone attached to the matrix? Or are they cleaned as well because they are permantently attached to the matrix?

I personally feel that what happend between Neo and Smith was not much different than what a virus scan on your computer does. By absorbing Smith, Neo gave the machines all the code and abilities that Smith had gained over the course of the trilogy. With that knowledge, they were able to quarentine the virus Smith just as Norton would clean up your system. Before this point, the machines had not learned or evolved to the level Smith had. He took on the trait of growth from the humans, which put him in his virus-like state.

Afterwards, any program that had elements of the code from the virus Smith, would have been quarentined and cleansed. Therefore, the Oracle is back just as she was before.

Ill second that

ps..i hope we dont see a "SmithVirus" now that takes down servers all across the board. That would be pretty gay if a hacker used the name "Smith Virus". Just my opinion.

Just saw it.
I enjoy it greatly.
This one KICKED-ASS (wow...battle scenes & heroism royale)

However...this cannot be the last one.
Way too many holes...way too many references to future stories.

Saying this is the last one is just a marketing gimick.
Seen it before...and we'll see it again.

I'm looking forward to the one that REALLY concludes it.
No worries...you definitely haven't seen the last of it.

Hollywood won't let them...and the players just need a break.

I don't think they'll be another film, but they're will be more in the form of Games, Books, Comics or whatever they can squeeze a story into. The opened up alot of things that could be discovered

The one I'm most intrested is Merv's realtionship to Sephrim, calling him the prodigal son, and Judas.

I felt that Revolutions and Reloaded would be better viewed as a single movie, in a Kill-Billish sort of way. I'm too tired to type out anything else, and what I have to say has been said before. So in general, I enjoyed the movie and enjoyed the series overall.

I'm sorry but I thought it was wonderful, and I left the theater extremely satisfied. The only way it could have been better is if Reloaded and Revolutions was viewed as one movie, like Spinach said.

The Architect explained exactly what happened in Reloaded. Neo, the anomanly created by free wil, was reinserted back into the prime program of the matrix, thus allowing him to be assimilated back into the source. Smith was also assimilated back into the matrix's prime program because he had infected Neo just before his reinsertion, therefore connecting himself back to the source. Neo knew this had to happen, that it was his purpose, which is why he allowed Smith to infect him instead of fighting on. He made the comment , right before Smith infected him, that "You were right Smith. You were always right. This was innevitable." I'm probably not telling anyone anything new, but maybe this helps clear it up for a few.

The one thing that i think might be getting missed is that Smith was as much a threat to the humans as he was to the machines. In Reloaded he said that the reason for everything to exist was "to end", meaning to cease to exist. He felt this was his purpose now that he was "free," and with his hatred of humans as a whole, was out to kill every sentient being in existence. The reason that he was a threat to the machines was because he wanted to destroy the matrix and be able to get out, as he alludes to in the first movie. This, however, would destroy the machine power source as well, which they were obviously less prepared to accept than the Architect announced in Relaoded. At least that is what I got out of that dialogue.

And i do agree, as I probably said before, that together, Reloaded and Revolutions would make one hell of a movie, possibly THE definitive sci-fi movie of this generation. But apart, Revolutions just seemed far too trim and always in a hurry to end.
The sad thing is, how long will we have to wait for another original idea to find its way to the screen if there are no more matrix films. By my count, and this is only personal opinion, but before this, I would have to go all the way back to 1977, the first Star Wars, to find an idea as original as The Matrix. I just hope its not another 25-30 years to find another gem.

I liked this one, like I liked Reloaded. But still, it's hard to believe all this when they don't explain why the machines don't build solar panels in space or even in the atomosphere. They obviously have the technology, Trinity breaking through the clouds in the ship shows they have it. Though, it seemed like the machines got zapped by lightening or something and fell back. But, if that's their explination for not building solar panels, it's not good enough. The ship was made of electronics, it didn't get zapped. I guess I'll just have to pretend that the machines, for some reason, can't build the solar panels.

It did get "zapped".. They crash-landed, remember?

I thought the movie was awesome and I'm not even going to try to argue with any of you about that, even though your reasons for hating it, for the most part, and the inconsistencies you brought up dont really have any foundation.

If you haven't seen this movie yet don't listen to anyone, watch the movie.

If the machines use people as an energy source, then how can they let them all go free?

On a side note, I think some of you really need to watch the Animatrix renaissance 1&2. It helps you to understand the whole series a little bit more.

Humans are not really their main energy source if you ask me. Humans tried to destroy them so instead of wiping them out completely they decided they would put them to good use.

no, they are their many energy. It is all explained in the first movie as well as in the second renaissance 1&2. The machines all ran on solar power, humans blacked out the sky, but the machines soon began to use the thermal energy in humans to create energy by fusion. They beat the humans completely, than began growing them to create a vast, renewable source of energy. If you don't want to except this fundamnetal fact in the movie, then the rest of the movie's sci-fi elements kinda fall apart as well. The whole human-machine war, the reason for the Matrix, etc, etc.....

The machines have solar reactors.The humans HAVE to be there for another reason


You can't get energy to power your hover crafts and feed the humans out of the humans...come on people.

OK... what's wrong with the sunrise ending? Beginning of a new day metaphor??? HELLO? ALSO, no one else seemed to NOTICE that the final shot in the Matrix HAD NO GREEN OVERTONES. Hence the IMPORTANCE of a SUNRISE with COLOR. HOPE this HELPS for people who have a tough time with MOVIES. :)

Hi,
I am sorry but seeing this movie just proved to me that the Wachowski brothers really had nothing revolutionary to say beyond the first amazing movie. They just ended up convincing me that they truly were a one-hit-wonder and that they just kept on spewing thinly veiled religious and philosophical bullshit to try to mesmerize people like they did with the original. But, then again, if they did anything else, it wouldn't be the Matrix, would it? They really bit themselves in the ass with this one, and it really all comes down to making money. The first movie was so innovative and original that it would be almost impossible to truly improve on it. In a way, they did all they could, but making sequels wasn't a good idea to begin with. The first movie was not made for the money but for the sake of telling an amazing story and making a revolutionary movie. These two movies were made to make money and to try to keep running with a story that should've ended with The Matrix. Too bad, as I didn't think Reloaded was bad, and I thought maybe Revolutions would live up to it's name and be Revolutionary. Oh, and one last thing, I can't believe how the Wachowski brothers copped out and used so many clichés, one-liners and cheesy gimmicks! I thought they were above that. Honestly, Revolutions was perhaps the most clichéd movie ever, using the tough but endearing drill sergeant, the "Last Man Standing" bit, the heroic citizens bit, the "Everyone-Dies-But-The-Main-Characters-Who-Survive-Long-Enough-To-Win-The-Day" bit, the fact that people survive long enough to tell their life story, and the list goes on. And what was with Morpheus in this one, anyways? He's been relegated from a badass dude to Will Smith's wife's bitch.
Thanks,
Manga

This movie is so overloaded with crap, nobody but you sarcastic, condescending fanatics notice crap like this, and then hold it up as some sort of proof that the movie made sense. It DID NOT live up to it's promise, and every unanswered question this "series" left us with is all of a sudden ok, because "we're supposed to guess, we're supposed to use our brains, stupid". This coming from the same fanboys who said "just wait for the 3rd one...it will explain EVERYthing."

Laugh out freaking loud.

I enjoyed all of it and found nothing wrong except one thing: How the hell did the train man out run Seriph, Trinnity, and Morph? He was hobbling along and they were sprinting along at full speed, lol, not that it matters.

Seriph is also called "No Wings" - as in falllen angel.

STOP YELLING. I noticed the blue sky - happy now ?

the humans used the heat energy from the Earth's core to recharge the ships and run their machines. The machines fed the humans they kept in the matrix with liquified dead humans. Theycouldn't use the solar power any longer because of the charred sky.

I think it was Wingless.

And this is a note too ALL of you, settle the fuck down, you may have (not) liked the film but it doesn't mean you have to blast other peoples opinions. Just listen to them for godsakes, you might learn something.

I don't get it

I don't get it. Why did everyone hate revolutions so much? Not trying to say you're not entitled to your opinion, just wondering what you thought was so awful about it.
Pretty much all of the posts here just keep reiterating how much it sucked, without giving any reasons.
The only things that seems to be the problem is that it didn't wrap everything up into a nice tidy package. Is that REALLY so important to you?
Yes revolutions did leave many things open to interpretation/further exploration, but is that really such a terrible sin? Is a movie that doesn't unambigously answer everything automatically worthless?

The other thing which keeps coming up is how many inconsistencies in the plot there are. But (and I know you're going to hate me for saying this, but i must) pretty much all of the claims of plot holes, simply highlight, not a bad film, but a lack of understanding.

Now I will conceed to some of them. Most notably, the complete and utter lack of emergency EMP deffence systems in zion. That one completly baffled me.

I can understand how this might lessen your opinion of the movie to some extent, but it doesn't explain the sheer ANGER that so many of you are expressing.

So, why did you hate revolutions so much?

Again I must reiterate, that I'm not challeneging your opinion, just curious.

don't forget the Kid's Story which I believe is the kid who "bothered" NEO starting in Reloaded.

I enjoyed the movie.
There were some holes but nothing that bothered me deeply.
I am a sucker for the theme of people fighting against incredible odds.
If you have read Arther C. Clarkes Foundation stories where the future is semi-predicted by computers a lot of The Oracles comments make sense.

(I do wonder why they didn't think to build an exo-skeleton reloader for the infantry. Would have made much more sense then the set up they had.)

For the people who argue about the solar panels and the machines, just remember, it is a movie. The science, if you break it down would tear the story apart. For instance, why didn't Zion have itself surrounded for a hundred miles by layer upon layer of redundant emp's? Why didn't the machines use geothermal, nuclear or othe powers like huge space solar panels that send a constant laser beam down to the earth? Why didn't the machines use nukes all around the city to crush it? Just drill in from each side and set off some nukes a little bit out from the city. Why no poison gas or biological weapons? Why not swarms of tiny robots loaded with poison needles to puncture each person?
Because it is a movie. So people, please not try to read too much into a movie because it is a story. Any movie, if analyzed, will fall apart. For instance, in almost any car chase in a movie, the streets are always wet like it has just been raining. But it never has been raining. So of course the cars are always sliding around.
Oh, one more point. The APU's, those big robot exoskeletons the used, why would the operator of it sit out completely exposed to be sliced to ribbons? Couldn't they have built these people some armor shielding?

Nailed it on the head. There were very, very few plotholes in Revolutions, and an overwhelming majority of the questions posed in Reloaded ARE answered in Revolutions.

It's down to the fact that the new fad is dissing Revolutions and saying the first one was an absolute milestone.

I honestly don't see how people can say "it sucks" without giving concrete reasons. All of the major plotholes mentioned are false. Smith isn't an Agent anymore. Neo chose the right-hand door in Reloaded, not the left-hand, explaining why the 23-people-to-save-Zion idea is thrown out the window.

How can you idolize the first one and talk about how cheesy and cliched Revolutions was? Have you seen the first Matrix yet? That movie was the epitome of cliches and one-liners. "Buckle your seat Dorothy, because Kansas...is going bye-bye." Give me a break! "It's our way or the highway." Do I need to go on?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions can be wrong if they're based on plot information that isn't correct. I don't know how many critics I've seen say Revolutions sucks simply because they based it on wrong plot information. In this case, it can be said that many critics hated Revolutions because they didn't understand it.

-Lasereth

Regarding the lack of an exo-skeleton on the APU's, according to TheMatrix.com they lacked armor because they simply wanted to be able to see the actors inside the APU's. Tactically, a bad move, but film-making-wise a fine decision.

Lasereth, don't forget the countless Alice in Wonderland references in The Matrix (1)... "Tumbling down the rabbit hole" and "Follow the white rabbit" to name a few.

Sorry, but I hate that friggin kid. So annoying. And he looked funny :-P

About the energy thing, I just wanted to say don't you think in all the years that this war has been going on that the machines have found a backup source for energy? The humans wouldn't know because its not like they have diplomatic relations with the machines. The main purpose is to keep humans enslaved, the machines have seen what humans are capable of.

I personally loved the movie.

If this is the case, then why not just kill all the humans off and not bother with all the matrix BS, where all their problems seem to come from anyway. If the machines had no need for the humans, than killing them off would be far easier than enslaving them and hoping none of them escape. As I said before, and someone on this page reiterated, there are just some plot points you have to accept to move the story along, no reason to sit back and analyze it to death.

Hi,
There is a difference between using a few campy one-liners that were obviously added for some comedic relief and horrible clichés used in a serious manner which were intended to be taken seriously.
Thanks,
Manga

Like the others, not to challenge your opinion, but do you have an example to support your claim, Manga?

About the whole human power thing... Ya gotta think, the Machines are there with a purpose. Their original purpose was to serve humans, and in a way, they're still serving humans by keeping them alive. The machines have no free will, they are without the ability to make choices (i.e. Smith's purpose is to kill Neo, and he lacks the ability to choose otherwise).

I'm paraphrasing a paragraph I read explaining Reloaded: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

Here's the same guy's review of Revolutions: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/031109matrix.htm

Explain how the Revolutions cliches and one-liners are worse than the ones in the first one. I want to see what you're talking about!

-Lasereth

The major problem I have with Revolutions is the incorperation of the video game plot with the movie. I'm talking about Niobe going to see the Oracle. OK, I wish I could see that. What?, I have to play a crappy video game ( even crappier on the PC) for hours to see this? No thanks. While I'm glad that they at least told us what the Oracle said to Niobe, It just dosn't seem right.

I'm not about to shoot this movie to pieces. As a trilogy I loved it. It will become the Star Wars for our generation. It was entertaining. It served it's purpose as a movie. It entertained me.

However, I do have some questions/observations about the final episode:

1. What happened to the little girl and Seraph? What I mean is, the last time we (think) we see them is when they are in a small room, cornered by Smiths.....then suddently they re-appear at the closing scene? How did they get out of the smith filled room?

2. If a hovercraft can break through the clouds and see the sun....then why can't the machines build giant solar panels that reach through the clouds and access the sun?

Also, I would have liked to have heard the bartering that went on between the source and Neo. I can only assume the deal was that the humans would be left alone, and those still "plugged-in" would be made aware of their plight and given the choice to stay plugged-in or be freed. Right? anyone?

AND....I would have liked a better explanation of Neo's power outside of the matrix. After all, outside the matrix he is only human. Which is what the first movie went to great lenghts to make very clear...slight confusion. It's a basic plot line that contradicts itself in the end.

Well, ok, I guess I did pick apart the movie a little. I still loved it, and all three movies. Good times people.

I don't see what was so wrong with Reloaded or Revolutions. Both kicked ass and I just don't really see what the deal is.

All the matrix movies were awesome if you ask me.

Opinions can never be wrong. :)

My number one complaint about the plot! Tons of speculation went into this question after the second movie. And the answer just doesn't live up to expectations (imo).

I liked all the movies.

Although, one thing I need clarifying? Who is the French guy? Is he a program? Who wrote him?

He is a program just like the Oracle.
Probably started out as a information gathering program and developed sentience.
His wife might have been a program dealing with emotions etc.
Just like the Indian couple at the train station who are programs.

In the last scene after the battle between Smith and Neo, it was the oracle who was in the bottom of the pit.
They didn't escape, Smith took over the girl and Seraph.
When he lost they came back the same way the oracle did.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but what if it's based on information that is not correct in the movie? Critics are giving Revolutions a lot of flak because "Agent Smith is stronger in Revolutions! How did he get stronger! Bullshit!" Um, he's not an agent anymore...hasn't been since it was clearly explained in Reloaded.

I guess I'll restate it as opinions aren't wrong, but some are more valid than others.

-Lasereth

Ah. of course. I realized why the oracle was at the bottom of the pit, I guess I just didn't put two and two together that the same thing would happen to all of the smith's take-overs. (I guess that's how you'd say it...lol)

Did anyone else get goosebumbs when the Logos broke the clouds and they saw the sun? Great scene!

Well, alot of people sure do feel passionate about these movies, negative or positive. That's gotta be worth something.

First things first... I liked Revolutions and the more I think about it the more I like it.

I don't want to add to the confusion/anger, but I do want to talk about ideas/theories/possibilities of the movie. Let's get this thread back on track with some "Speculations".

I don't remember who it was that mentioned it, but I think some one hit the nail on the head with what happened at the end after Smith absorbed Neo. I think the machines tossed the Smith/Neo entity into the source to be absorbed back in. Evidence for this is in the white light coming out of Smith's eyes, remember in Reloaded when Neo walks into the Architects "room" the door is enveloped/shining with white light. I think this maybe the same white light.

Although being absorbed into the source does not mean death, seeing as how The One was supposed to be absorbed into the Source and then go out and restart Zion, so this does not explain Neo's death. I think that the machines assaulted Smith with everything they had. After absorbing Smith/Neo into the source and enacting all countermeasures/antiviral measures they could come up with to defeat Smith they also "unplugged"/killed Neo physically to deal the final blow to Smith. Maybe with the information downloaded into the Source it gave the Matrix the ability to tie all the separate Smith's together so that by killing the Smith/Neo entity it would chain-react to all the other versions.

I dunno what do you all think?

Moobie, you're definately on the right track I believe.
Notice that the oracle has, at least some tiny bit of control over body, even though she is "a Smith".
"Everything that has a beginning, has an end....I mean... what did I just say!?"

So when Neo allowed himself to be taken over by Smith, a similar thing happened....EXCEPT, Neo was jacked directly into the "uber-machine" (didn't catch its name if there was one), so that meant Smith was also directly attached to the machine, alowing them to do some anti-virus magic, and get rid of Smith and all of the others.

At leats thats how I understood it.

Anyone come up with a reasonable theory for why EMPs weren't scattered liberally around Zion?

EDIT: changed "were" to "weren't" :eek:

My main problem is the direction the movie took. Originally, the whole idea was a war between machines and men. All of a sudden the crux becomes Neo deleting a virus (Smith) from the matrix. Am I the only one who thinks the machines could have handled this on their own? I suppose it could be argued that Neo's sacrifice was taken as a peace offering to the machines, but it was never presented as such in the movie.

As for "Reloaded" the only problem I had with it was the pretentiousness. It actually took me several viewings before I could look past the "we are soooooo cool" presentation and pay attention to what was actually going on.

Lastly, anyone else think the architect looks like Colonel Sanders?

Do you mean "weren't" as far as I know there weren't EMP's all over Zion because they would destroy everything electrical around them. Not only the enemy, but everything else that you wanted to keep. Besides most of the large EMP's they had were mobile on the ships and Bane/Smith took care of most of them during Reloaded. Another reason is that perhaps Zion was a little unprepared for the onslaught and an EMP generator may not be readily portable or easy to make. Poor/overly optimistic planning probably. No one could have known the power and numbers that the machines were going to send.

Just a guess.

Yup! I was expecting him to offer Neo a Mega Bucket, before lauching into his speech!

I thought his name was Colonel Sanders... did I miss something?

She's a secondary character. Deal.

Another thing...

Before I went to see "Revolutions" I watched the first 2 back to back. Did anyone else notice that the wall of TV screens that showed Neo in the interrogation room (from "The Matrix") office looked just like the wall of screens in the architect's room?

(Please forgive if this has already been mentioned.)

Oh MAN that was cool. The way that scene was paced was just brilliant. She's climbing, under heavy attack, pulling up hard, lightning starts zapping the ship, sentinels start falling off, and then.... silence, blue sky, the sun. Light climbs her face, dances there for a second as the ship stalls out. She whispers, "Beautiful." And then they're falling.. Right back down into Hell. GORGEOUS scene.

That was my read too. It wasn't that Neo cancelled Smith, but that by sacrificing himself to Smith, he opened Smith up to attack from That Spikey Thing (don't think we heard a name).

People seem to have missed the (ahem) extent to which Smith had taken over The Matrix, by the way. All those buildings they're flying around during the fight had leeelte eeety beeety Smiths in all the windows.... Everything--human and program--had been taken over.

Wow! Good eye!

Yeah I noticed the view from the Architect's room the other night for the first time too. It's also interesting that we get to see that right at the time that Neo has to make his biggest choice, whether to aid the machines or fight them.... hmmm.... maybe that was planned? Perhaps the brothers had some of this thought out before hand....

Neo was not offering his death in exchange for peace. And the whole point was that the machines were not able to handle Smith on their own. The scene in Reloaded where Smith absorbs the agent that walked in on the Neo/Smith fight shows that the machines were just as vulnerable. Hell, Smith just walks in and takes over The Oracle, Agents, Seraph, almost got Morpheous too. Which shows that no one is safe from him. He can take over humans in the real world... probably could take over machines too.

As ratbastid pointed out the buildings were full of Smiths. I would hazard to guess the reason that Revolutions takes place in the Real World as opposed to the Matrix is that there's no one left in the Matrix but Smith. Think about it... He can fly, he's invulnerable, there's thousands of him, he's powermad... how long would it take him to take over every man, woman, child, and program?

As the Smith's were being killed, we "zoomed out" quite a long way and were able to see millions of Smiths bursting into white light. Yeah, seemed like the whole Matrix was taken over and concentrated there.

BuddyHawks,

Good call, I forgot about that scene, where the camera zooms to show the whole of the Matrix, and all we see are dot's of white on black. Yeah, that's pretty much saying "there ain't nobody left but Smith".

Yeah, I got that, but still, doesn't it seem that Smith's takeover of the matrix (as the architect would say) "is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control". And more importantly, should't I be working right now instead of speculating on a more realistic finish to a work of fiction?

That was possibly the best scene in the movie. Trinity finally got to see the real sun and sky before her death.

-Lasereth

I'm tired, which part of the movie, or which movie for that matter, did the Colonel say that? Was it in reference to Smith? I don't remeber him ever saying anything about Smith.

The architect said that about Neo. I'm just speculating that a contingency plan for virus like activity should also be in place, especially consideing this is the 6th version of the matrix. Actually, I'm just avoiding doing my job.

On a side note, anyone know where I can get a picture of the architect? I wanna photoshop him into the KFC logo for my website.

This is really bugging me people, spell his name correctly:
S-E-R-A-P-H

This was the best scene in the entire movie, and sadly, the very instant I realized Trinity was going to die. I knew Neo was going to have to sacrifice himself, but I had never considered what would happen to Trinity. The was definitely an amazing scene though.

I wasn't expecting to see Percephone on good terms with The Merovengian after her betrayl of him in Reloaded. But then again, we never really got the impression that she was with him out of any kind of choice...

I missed the twins in revolutions. I had heard that they were appearing in it again. Pity! They ruled.

And a single scene for everybody's favourite pompous frenchman just wasn't enough!

Didn't Neo die at the end of the first Matrix movie and come back? What makes everyone think he is actually dead?

Also, I thought that the destruction of all the humans and the matrix was an acceptable alternative when Neo chose to save Trinity. (at least that is what I thought the architect more or less said LOL). Why didnt the machines simply shut the matrix down thus destroying Smith and everyone else.

The machines didn't shut down the matrix because that would bring about thier end anyway. Plus I don't think they were aware to the full extent of the problems Smith was causing.