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IMAX in NY on Wed night - can't wait! I can only get there an hour and half early though, so I worried about getting a decent seat (not in the front row). I was 2 hours early of Fellowship of the Ring and ended up sitting in the front row of the IMAX. Talk about an enveloping experience... Has anyone else noticed that you have to be at movies 30 minutes earlier in NY than anywhere else? I took my sister to see a movie at home in Virginia and got there at the normal (for NY) time - 45 minutes early. We had to sit outside for 30 minutes!
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I need to go out and get me tickets soon! The first showing here should be at 9am and i plan on calling in sick, if you catch my drift.
I really need to go cash my latest pay check and go pick up reloaded and maybe first matrix on dvd, i dont have either! |
WISH I HAD IMAX... guess that's what I get for living in REDNECK counry . . .
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Got my tickets. Gotta work, and my companion doesn't want to skip work with me, so we're catching the 6:35p CST show. I can't wait!!!
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We're going to wait in line on opening day here. Only one theatre in the entire town is showing it, and they do NOT presell tickets. We're getting there two hours early just in case.
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Just saw it tonite at a premiere in DC. Was worth the hype! Very good movie!
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Have tickets for Friday. I hope the movie resolves every single question I have in a easy to understand, simplified format.
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Any last minute speculation??
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I haven't posted any of my questions/theories so far, so here goes:
- This being the 6th incarnation of Neo is true. - The Oracle, Key Maker, etc. are NOT renegade programs, but instead parts of the Architect's test program to see how the latest version of the Matrix has improved. The Oracle can't tell the future....she knows the future because she has seen Neo go through this 5 times before. - We have not indeed seen the "Real World" yet. Everything we've seen is the creation of the Architect. - The Architect is a programmer who is trying to write a program that will perfectly simulate the human brain. This involves not only biological functions but emotion as well. This is why the 6th Neo is such a breakthrough: The Architect has actually programmed something to choose emotion over logic. - The Architect was NOT lying about the 6 Neos, as the Merovingian makes two references to Neo's "predecessors". If you rewatch the movie, you will hear several other references to past incarnations of Neo/Matrix that obviously passed you by on the first viewing. Some questions: - Just who is Bane and what does he want? If he was somehow encoded by Agent Smith while hooked to the Matrix, then how does that code carry over to the non-Matrix. Of course with my theory, everything is a program, so perhaps it's just another part of the test for the Architect. - Is Agent Smith's journey part of the Architect's plan? If so, what is it's point? A distraction for Neo from the primary task of saving Zion? - Why is the primary mode of combat Kung Fu? (okay, maybe we'll just give that up to the Wachowski's as a cool cinematic conceit). |
One more day and all will be revealed..... or at least it better be.
I finally saw the long trailer for Revolutions before Kill Bill....... sweet jesus this movie's gonna have so much eye candy in it we'll all have to go to the eye-dentist afterward. I just hope the'll back up all sweet glorious action with substance. |
MATIX REVOLUTIONS: I am SOOOO there...
On Wednesday, 10:30 pm showing.
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heard a theory where when neo jumped into smith in the first movie they got jumbled like the guy in "the fly".smith even mentions something in reloaded about part being copied over explaining his new powers.maybe this means smith is part human now and neo is part machine. that would explain smith jumping into bane and neo putting out his own emp. i bet the matrix is also some way of the machines trying to refine themselves by finding a way to be nore human (like having emotions like love) through the use of neo.probably end with neo scarificing himself but being born again in the matrix(completing the whole christ metaphor)
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*sniff* I won't be able to see it till we can get a bootleg copy of it from kuwait :( Well, enjoy.
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TIME TO FRESHEN UP ON THE MATRIX
Some interesting things to read up on RELOADED (Points out cool things like most of the license plates in the movie are bible verses)...
1) Probably the longest and most in-depth (Its a flash movie with text)... DEFINITELY a read everyone who saw it should perlustrate (You will need your Architect-mindset for this one): Click on the building . . . 2) A great quick review of the movie with some in-depth items: Corporate MOFO 3) Great little nuances from the movies, such as Thomas A. Anderson is broken down into (Thomas Aquinas) and Anderson is broken down into Son of Man: Movie Facts Great reads whether you liked the second one or not! There is too much data to put onto a post, so if the links are a problem, let me know. |
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FROM last night's TBS special on the Matrix... The 'MY WORLD' TV SPOT... Not yet up on the Matrix's website... MY WORLD Man... this short tvspot got me more excited than the other one... DAMN!! |
woo! i didn't realize how cool it was, but we just bought tickets for the 7 am show tomorrow morning. as it stands, that is the official "world premier" time, so i will be one of the first plebes to see the movie. woo, yay, houpla, and panowie!
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Got my ticket for the zero hour release (8am here central time)... and again after work that night when all my other friends will go :)
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There's already a huge thread on Revolutions on this page. Congratulations on getting to see it though! We're seeing it tomorrow at 7:00 PM.
-Lasereth |
8:00 am here!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got my tickets!!!!!
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Got my tickets for zero hour here too (8:00 am ) told my boss I was going to be a little late to work :)
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Matrix is a trilogy and like all trilogies the first one is either really good, second is usually garbage and third is usually amazing
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Nowadays everyone is a nerd in one degree or another...
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Revolutions is getting mixed reviews. I'm tired of all of the same critics that hated Reloaded making Revolutions seem like crap. Hey critics, go watch Reloaded until you understand it and then review it. That's why I like Ebert -- he sees a movie once and then reviews it perfectly. He gave Matrix 3 stars out of 4, and Reloaded 3.5 stars out of 4. We'll see what Revolutions gets...since that'll probably be the only trustworthy review posted on the Internet.
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w00t w00t. I got a 9:15 ticket for tommorow.
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The second one wasn't garbage, however.
Nor was Empire Strikes Back Or The Two Towers Need I go on? |
Or Superman II!
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Reloaded will probably end up being the best of the three. It's better than the first one, so that's my guess right now. I suppose I'll find out after tomorrow!
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Found a handful of reviews here:
Mark Caro of the Chicago Tribune Atlanta Journal-Constitution by Steve Murray Christpher Null at filmcritic.com Michael Rechtshaffen of The Hollywood Reporter Most of them have virtually nothing good to say about the movie. I don't think I'll be able to see the movie (in english, at least) anytime soon. I might resort to downloading it, we'll see. Anyway, I get from the reviews that Revolutions is everything I hated about Reloaded, only about three times worse. And, please, the idea that people "don't get it" is tiresome. Reloaded was a bad movie. So much that happened in Reloaded was irrelevant to both the plot and to any theme they tried (yes, tried) to discuss. The fight scene with that asian dude (which ends with "You do not truly know someone until you fight them", gimmie a break), the huge fight scene with Agent Smith (which starts for no reason, and ends with Neo flying away, whoopdedoo), the twins, the French dude, kissing the French dude's girl... there's probably more, but it's been a while. All of these parts of Reloaded could have been either taken out or heavily altered, and you'd have the same exact movie (in terms of plot and theme). And having characters named "The Keymaker" and "The Architect" is juvenile. Why don't they just wear big signs that say "METAPHOR" while they're at it? I've been wanting to get that rant off for a while :D **added** I know some people are going to say that the parts I mentioned that could be taken out are relevant to some philosophical undertones/themes. That's all well and good, but a skill needed for good film-making is incoporating your themes into the plot well. This is where Reloaded failed. If you're going to discuss philosophy in a movie, fine, I think that's great. But take the time to create a plot and script where these themes are transparent, in that they jive with what's going on in the movie. The mere fact that philosophy is discussed or brought up isn't good enough. |
Welll, the good thing about the whole thing, is that you DON'T have to see it. There were a lot of bad reviews for both the first and second movies. I base it on my own thoughts and not someone else who gets paid to slam creative movies and only support sad, dreamry war movies.
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Ebert gave Revolutions 3 stars out of 4 (the same score as the first Matrix). Looks like it's a killer! I can't wait to see it...only a few more hours!
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While you are entitled to your opinion (and share those opinions with others on this board), perhaps you should reserve judgment until after you see Revolutions? Reloaded is only 1/2 of a movie, and perhaps those elements of Reloaded that seem cheesy/stupid/superflous will be explained/justified in Revolutions. |
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The Smith vs Neo scene wasn't useless, either. Neo is the good guy and Smith is the bad guy. Good and evil. How can the entire plot the trilogy be useless? Are Neo and Smith expected to talk it out and write poetry? Neo flew away at the end of it because...well, he was getting his ass kicked at the end? Wouldn't you run from a fight you know you couldn't win? Persephone (the Merovingian's wife) is basically longing for love again. Yes, she makes Neo kiss her, but guess what? Ghost and Niobe are also forced to kiss her in the side plots for her telling them vital information. She passes on info to the rebels, but only if she can be made to experience love again, something that the Merovingian can no longer give her. The "asian guy fight" had a purpose as well. Seraph (the asian guy) isn't a human. He's a program. He's a program that is designed for guarding the Oracle. In other words, he holds the dutie of stopping agents and all other intruders that want her dead. The only way Seraph can tell who people really are is by fighting them. That's not so hard to believe...what if his programming can tell the true identity of people after combat? He fights other rebels as well when they need to see the Oracle (shown in the horrid videogame Enter the Matrix). That fight wasn't useless. As for the Keymaker and Architect being named juvenile aliases, what else can you call two computer programs? Would it be better if they were named "BEFR(***XXMM)2045?" They have a name in the real world, as do all of the programs. If they were humans, it would be a different matter. The Twins are cast in Revolutions too, so I imagine that there will be some explanation of them in the sequel (aside from being the top bodyguards for the Merovingian). Reloaded was an excellent movie, much better than the first one. Roger Ebert gave the first Matrix 3 stars and Reloaded 3.5 stars out of 4. He's one of the few critics that didn't want Reloaded to fail, and actually saw it for what it was worth. Just because a movie is different from the first doesn't make it suck. You have to remember that the Wachowskis had to make the first Matrix a type of movie that could be set up for sequels or end with no sequels (Warner Brothers told them this; if the first Matrix didn't sell good there wouldn't be sequels). If the Wachowskis knew ahead of time that people would love the Matrix so much, I imagine it would be more like Reloaded. I just keep getting the feeling that if someone liked the first Matrix and didn't like Reloaded then they watched the first one for the wrong reasons...or better yet, expected something different from Reloaded and wasn't willing to like change. I knew it would be different, and I agree that the first time I saw it I was "weirded out," but the more thought and viewings I gave Reloaded, the more I liked it. Now I like it much, much more than I ever liked the first one. -Lasereth |
Watched Revolutions at a screening last night... (jeez i've been really lucky this year... 4 blockbusters as screeners)
interesting... was like watching... okay no spoilers... but IMHO it wasn't as good as the first two as far as MATRIX concepts are concerned, but it was entertaining. I'm interested in discussing it once it's been seen by others. |
WELL... I just got back from the REVOLUTION... and all I have to say is that reviewers have no fucking idea what the hell they like or want in a movie. It is truely the perfect ending to this trilogy. That's all that can be said.
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WELL... I just got back from the REVOLUTION... and all I have to say is that reviewers have no fucking idea what the hell they like or want in a movie. It is truely the perfect ending to this trilogy. That's all that can be said.
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Was a great movie, though a little predictable if you sit down and think about the first two as stories being retold in a pop-modern fashion. Ill go see it again!
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I remember reading horrible reviews for movies that are now looked back on as incredible movies. Revolutions I'm sure will be one of these.
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I speculate that this movie will be a bitter combination of bad and dissapointing.
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Faith have a little faith. (jesus I can't believe I just said that) Okay, okay I admit part of me is reserved in expecting the worst, but the kid in me is hoping for something incredible. Regardless of whether it rocks or sucks you have to admit that the Matrix is cool. And I have a feeling that even if Revolutions is mediocre you won't be able forget the first movie and so as a whole the Matrix for me will always be awesome.
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The Matrix Revolutions... for those who have seen it
After all the speculation. After all the theories. The answer is.... nothing even remotely original. But the battle scenes were amazing. I just wish I had not watched the last two minutes.... what a lame ending!
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But if you hadn't watched the last 2 minutes, you would have 100,000,000 questions, wouldn't you? I was happy with it.
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No answers and unoriginal. I have rarely been this disappointed.
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Loved it. Yeah, the whole ending is a bit lame, but it's more than made up for by the movie itself. Especially the Sentinel scenes were a-fucking-mazing. I am NOT disappointed.
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I would say I was disappointed, but after being disappointed by Reloaded, I was prepared this time to be completely underwhelmed. I don't know why the brothers bothered to make a trilogy. They could have let things be after the first one and it would have been regarded as a success. If you're going to make a successful trilogy or even a sequel, you should have something new to give the audience. Unfortunately, they didn't.
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And I still stand by my point, Lasereth, about some of those scenes being unneccesary. What would go underexplained if that fight with the asian guy was edited out? Or if the big fight with Agent Smith didn't happen? Or if Persephone didn't ask Neo to kiss her? As far as I can see, the plot (as well as the main characters) would be totally unaffected. As I said before, if these scenes serve some higher purpose than to advance plot, then good film-makers would make these scenes not deviate from the plot so much, would incorporate them better. Furthermore, you mention that the fight with the asian dude shows that the Oracle is protected, that people need to prove themselves to visit the oracle, and that people need to fight this guy in order to do that. But it begs the question: why does the audience care? Why do we care if the Oracle is protected? Or if they have to fight this guy to see her? It just seems like an excuse for some Kung Fu. I think a similar argument can be made for the other scenes you brought up, as well. Quote:
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I loved it. The ending was really the only logical conclusion to the film but did anyone else feel that they may have tried to set up a sequel to the movies?
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It was underwhelming at best. It's not that it wasn't good, but I couldn't help but hope that the third movie would answer the questions from the second one in a way that was as mind-blowing as the first. Looking back on it now, I don't really see how I could possibly have been satisifed with the third film, no matter what happened in it. The first movie seemed self-contained and complete in a way that neither of its sequels are.
in other words, it worked as a pretty entertaining sci/fi flick, and as something of a modern-day christ allegory. it didn't come through as a piece of philosophy the way that the "talking heads" in the second movie seemed to indicate that it would. |
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. . . Just got back from it, really enjoyed it, with a couple of exceptions. The final fight scene had waaaay to many references to the duality. They told us point blank, we didn't need to see 5 examples of it again. I also hated hated hated the little girls question to the oracle and her response. Totaly unneeded, and reeking of "make it a bit happier in the rewrite, please". Disregarding plot, and looking at it in terms of visual content and tone, this would typicaly of been the second movie by trilogy rules, and Reloaded the third, so it was nice to have a little shake up there. I also greatly enjoyed the tonedown of "CGNEO". in fact, it only intruded into my enjoyment once during the movie, wheras I was ready to rip my eyes out during parts of Reloaded for the abunt use of it. Were anyone elses thoughts drawn to Dune Messiah in the last half of the movie? All in all, I'm quite happy with the trilogy. Sure, there are things I wish had been done differently, but the movies I can't say that about can probably be counted on one hand easily. It was a fun, well made, sci-fi series, and those just don't come along often enough for me to hold it's shortcommings against it too much. |
They are named BASED ON THEIR FUNCTION... they pound that concept into you in RELOADED. They are there to do only what they are ment to do... jeeze... ANYWAY, people complain about the kung-fu/karate/shotokan... WELL, what WOULD you like them to do? All ranged attacks DEFINITELY don't work... so you HAVE to get close and dirty!
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im goin to see it today! w00
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By no means do I think things like the action and Kung Fu should be taken out of the movie. I enjoy just as much as the next guy, absolutely, and I completely understand that they're important to the franchise. I'm just saying that these things can be tied in with the plot better than Reloaded did.
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Saw it this morning.
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The point of Smith vs. Neo was what Revolutions stated! They are arch-enemies and (without spoiling it) are destined to fight... period!
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Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant!
I was wary of this movie. After been slightly underwhelmed by Reloaded (thought it was a good movie, but not a patch on the original) I wasn't sure what to expect. But, Wow! I was blown away! The dock scene was incredible, and the Super Brawl rocked! Plus no 20 minute rave scene! Sure, it left certain questions open, but so what!? Do you really need absolutely everything spelled out for you and handed to you on a silver platter? I was just delighted that they didn't use the cop-out "Matrix within a Matrix" story line, which would have really sucked! |
ok maybe spoilers but it's a spoilers thread so who cares? anyways i made the following predictions can anybody verify them for me since i won't be able to see this movie anytime soon?
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Matrix: revolutions good/bad SPOILERS!!!!
well i just got out of the theater and i'm not sure how i feel about the movie now that i've seen the whole triligy. anyone else want to weigh in? i felt a little dissapointed the way they ended it all. i guess maybe it was a little too greek for me seeing the protagonist and his woman cut down in the end. or was he? i'm not sure in the end what will happen. the oracle seemed to speak like neo wasn't dead. but i'm not sure. what do you all think?
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I WANT MY MONEY BACK!
My advice to everyone who hasn't seen it: Wait for it to come to video. If you loved Lost In Space, then you'll love this movie, too. It's all eye candy. Someone was saying on the way out of the theatre, "So wait.. you're telling me that Darth Vader was Neo's father!?" Two of the other guys I watched it with asked for their money back. I should have done the same. This movie was all the crap they pulled out of the Recycle Bin after being cut out of the the first two movies. Then they added a lot of splashing around in the rain, threw in some scenes from The Adventures of Superman and viola! Another box office smash. Two hours of my life I'll never get back. I say two hours, because the movie was 2:09 long. Yeah, there were a couple good scenes, but ... far overshadowed by the garbage. |
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I felt totally let down. First, trinity and neo both die, what the hell?! trinity's death was totally pointless because its not like neo went on a revenge-inspired rampage and he made no references to her during his fight with smith, and in fact after a few minutes of crying he seemed to get over it pretty quickly. Second, there was little of the small-scale combat the original two had. After the gun battle in the club and the last kung fu scene the rest of it was all large scale tracers flying, tentacles stabbing, kinda thing. Third, there were so many inconsistencies and unfinished subplots, some of which can be listed here . Finally, the whole philosophical build-up the 1st and 2nd built up was wasted. Bleh, i give it a 6/10 |
I'm so upset that I have to post again.
If you have any inclination to see this movie, just pull out a dvd of the first Matrix and watch that again. If you already bought tickets, get your money back. If someone else is buying your ticket, ... well... I'd make a polite excuse such as "I have to hang up Christmas lights tonight." Good luck. I know you can escape from watching The Matrix. I BELIEVE IN YOU! |
Wait...
How is the war over? They didn't free ANYONE in the 3rd movie... |
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The movie made a really good attempt to finish the trilogy. Then about halfway through, someone lost the script and said, "Screw it. We don't need to tie up any loose ends. Just put some more special effects in and steal some stuff from The Adventures of Superman. We'll make millions anyway." Save your money. Wait for it to come out on video. If you need to see some Matrix action to get a fix, just watch the first one. |
I'm sad because of my speculation about the deeper meanings and all the cool things that "are going to happen in Revolutions," were lost thoughts and energy. I really think that the Wachowski brothers are laughing at everyone who thought the Matrix was about something more than people fighting machines. Really, thats all it was. Humans vs Machines. Just like any other sci-fi movie ever made. I still enjoyed the movie because I quickly realized that it was just another sci-fi movie about a future human race battling machines. The action was good, the special effects were crazy, and finally it ended the war. The story-line of the war is over and therefore the story is over.
Oh well the Matrix really wasn't about anything. I'm over it. |
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I was so set on buying all three dvds when they came out in a set. But, I don't know now. It'll just remind me of how disappointed I was... |
Underwhelmed seems to be the prevalent feeling here, and I unfortunately join them. I didn't have that "Star Wars Episode I" optimism going into it, so I'm not totally pissed off. I just feel like they spent WAY the fuck too much time on that battle scene that could have been better spent seeing people we actually CARED about, like morpheus, trinity, neo doing shit, instead of watching the kid tripping, the general frothing at the mouth, and the black chick LOADING AMMO for crying out loud... *yawn*
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Its only disappointing if you try to search for a deeper meaning. When in reality there is none. Just remember, its only a movie. I mean in all three movies the special effects were groundbreaking, the fight scenese were suspensful and the plot had some interesting twists.
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This movie is absolutely amazing. I have to say that it wasn't as good as Reloaded (easily the best of the trilogy) but it was on-par with the first one. If you liked Reloaded (understood it and was willing to accept a change in the series) then you'll LOVE Revolutions. If you hated Reloaded, you'll hate Revolutions. It's as simple as that. The ending was the best possible ending for the trilogy. New Matrix, but this time it's different -- if you want out, then you come out without the machines killing you. In other words, you can be freed without restriction. Of course Neo dies...what's the whole trilogy been setting up? Neo had to die else the Christ imagery from the first two wouldn't fit in right. The battle for Zion scene was incredible. I've never seen CG that good, not even in Reloaded. As Ebert said, directors have finally breached the wall of "that looks good, but it still looks fake." The Hammer flying through the tunnels with Niobe piloting was amazing as well. Damn, damn damn. The only gripe I have about the movie is the Neo vs Smith fight...it wasn't as good as I hoped it to be. But ya know, after seeing such a perfect ending to the trilogy, I can't complain too much. Everything that I wanted to happen happened. I think the acting in this one might have been the best out of the trilogy as well. It was great when Morpheus said "No, the honor is still mine" when Neo and Trinity were leaving to go to the machine city. Now that the trilogy is over, I'm proud to say that it's my favorite sci-fi trilogy ever, even moreso than the first Star Wars movies. This is cinematic film-making at its best...and the only people that can disagree are just looking for reasons to say this movie sucks. It seems that the new fad in Hollywood is to diss the Matrix movies as much as possible. Go ahead, say they suck, but the true fans who had hope and were willing to accept a change in the series will always be proud of what the Wachowski Brothers have accomplished. I honestly don't think I'll see anything as mindbreaking and revolutionary as this trilogy. -Lasereth |
i wasn't amazed as i would have hoped i would be. mostly i felt like they toned down neo's powers since the first one. remember how fast he was when he came back to life at the end of part 1? so naturally he would have gotten better as time went on right? he seemed to have gotten slower in reloaded.
ultimately i seemed to me that they didn't quite keep the flow of the series. the opening scene with the two programs and their daughter is completely useless. i mean what the fuk is that? what a waste of my life. if they actually went somewhere with it like i was hoping they would. basically all they did was "look we're both programs and we had a baby!" that was it. if they said something good like "the one is a program that is created and put in a human" that would have blowen my fukin mind!!! like neo was a baby program just like like all the other ones and he was put in that body?!?! but no just "check it out we had a baby!" crap. what was the point of that? LOL. anyway i didn't really dig how they had to go greek tragidy in the end and kill off neo and trinity. or is neo really dead? i mean smith took him over and then went to the source where neo was jacked in? i'm thinking thats what killed smith.... not sure about that one. but in the end smith ate the oracle and she was back again. so neo?...... it was kind of a letdown in the end i guess. did anyone else notice the little the crap like the child program that really doesn't have any purpose to the plot? i did read some speculation about how the child would be the oracles successor. which seems odd since she wouldn't need one being a program and all. unless the original wanted a different type of oracle for the peacetime that was upon them. anyway just puttin gin my 2 cents |
See, I agree that it was a really entertaining movie, and that it wrapped up the series beautifully.
However, the subplots and philosophy were just sort of thrown out the window. For example, what happened to 'Merv'? Mr. French was easily the most deep character in the entire series, and the second movie alluded to him being either the essence of the Matrix, or a previous 'one'. |
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after watching it... a few things come to mind.
DUNE - the first one, and Dune Messiah. Dragonball Z. End of Evangelion. Ozymandias. That is all for now, as most other people have gone over and rehashed their opinions enough for me. |
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The Matrix = uber
Reloaded = Semi booty Revolutions = complete and utter ass |
You guys put too much detailed expectations into the movie that no wonder it seems like a downfall. I don't campare movies to movies.. especially when they are all in a series!!
I for one will stand up and say... GO SEE THIS MOVIE. Screw seeing it on DVD, I plan on going BACK to the theaters to see it again. I found nothing that wasn't answered Either. again I say to those who haven't seen it.. GO SEE IT!!! |
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I thought the movie rocked. People who say that there aren't answers are just blind and apparently need a bright flashing neon sign infront of their eyes that say it. The plotholes people are mentioning aren't plotholes, they would have to be seperate plots on their own, they're just mentioned in the movie. What is everyones problem with this movie? The ending was fine, just because it wasn't what you wanted you complain and bitch? If it was what you were wanting and expecting then you'd complain and bitch that it was so guessable and all that. Just watch the movie for what it is, entertainment. I was very entertained.
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But i wasn't entertained. I wanted to see the characters that the Wachowski Bros spent 4 years and two movies trying to make us care about, not the few bit players introduced a few months ago. While the visuals were amazing, the end fight seen was just week compared to just about any in the previous 2 films. I thought I was watching an episode of Dragonball Z. And since everything that made The Matrix and Reloaded more entertaining than your standard sci-fi flik occured in the matrix, they probably should have spent more than a few fleeting moments there in the finally. I have to admit, while i sit and think about this, I'm not quite as disappointed as I was immediately after watching Revolutions. The majority of my questions were answered, and the plot points were tied up, however weakly, except for a few minor inconsistencies which shouldn't show up between 2 movies shot at the same time. But to have a hero who has been built up over the 2 movies like Neo has take an ass whipping from his arch nemesis in the final battle, especially after he has lost the woman he loves, and the fate of humanity is in his hands, just doesn't sit well with me, even if he does technically win in the end and complete his purpose. When he rose the last time and told Smith it was because he chose to, I though for sure that he was about to open the family size can of woopass, but no, it was not to be. The entire film just felt very anti-climactic.
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I was completely amazed by this film! Reloaded for me was ok, but it was all over the place and took style over substance, Revolutions is quite frankly an epic. Baring a few lines of cheesey humour this film stands up extremely well. Agent Smith vs. Neo in the rain was not only a feat of remarkable special effects and choreography but it was perhaps one of the most Epic battles I have ever seen put on film. I absolutely loved it, I'll be going to watch the film again on Saturday, can't wait!
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I figured most adults were mature enough to accept that some movies change with sequels...I guess I overestimated their intelligence. If you hated Reloaded, then that's it, just stop -- you're watching these movies for the wrong reasons. The first movie was written and directed WITHOUT KNOWING if there would be sequels! That's why it was different from the last two, everyone. They had to make it suffice on its own without sequels, yet make it sequel-ready just in case. The first Matrix is not the best of the series...it is the least best. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it started this wonderful trilogy, but as for literary analysis of cinema go, it's not the best. Reloaded takes that honor, followed by Revolutions. We're sorry that there were no miniguns attached to helicopters in the last two. We're sorry that there were no dojo fighting scenes, and we're sorry that there wasn't another lobby shootout. That's the difference between real moviegoers and people who just want to be entertained -- moviegoers can see the first one and enjoy it as well as those who simply want to be entertained. That's not true of the last two, however. If you want entertainment only, then go somewhere else. Go see a Tom Green movie or the horrid Terminator 3. That'll entertain you, but nothing else. The last two Matrix movies aren't out to entertain, there out to deliver a story with the best visual stimulation possible. That's what they do, and they do it very, very well. If you don't like the last two, then you're watching them for the wrong reasons. Stop trying to blind these excellent movies from the people who would enjoy them...the people who enjoyed Reloaded. The Matrix Revolutions is incredible. If you enjoyed Reloaded, then you'll love this one. There's no doubt in my mind. -Lasereth |
People are complaining about the questions not being answered, even though you can come up with your own answers that should fit nicely all on your own if you take a few minutes to sit and think about it. The Matrix trilogy didnt bring up any new philisophical questions, it just re-asked a few and left it at that, its up to you to find your own answers.
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I am not real sure what to think about the movie. First of all I wanted it to be a total mindfuck. But it ended up being easy to understand for all the dumb masses. I wanted a better explination for Neo having powers in the real world. I would have liked to see a different reason for the matrix. Batteries just don't seem to work well enough for me when machines have fusion power. Or even solar power. It did not seem like it was really all that hard to go above the clouds. I wanted a better reason as to why Agent smith was able to exist in a human in the real world if he was just a program. I didn't get how Neo had these great powers now in the real world to kill machines but gets his ass kicked by bane. Trinity dieing was ok, but I wanted to see Neo get some revenge for it. get all gladiator on their ass. I wanted to see more of the matrix world, more kung fu, more of the MERV. Especially his wife. YOW!! Anyone notice the nipple tweeker in the S&M club?
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The whole dragon ball Z fight scene seriously pissed me off, and the fact that they focused so much on other people than Neo/trin and morph...
The club fight scene BLEW. For one big reason in my book, the music, was gawd awful. Think about the first one, how the lobby fight scene, the music, everytime still gets me into that scene, but in that club scene, it was so damn dry, didnt get me into it at all. However, the outfits were quite fitting of a goth/industrial club. Also, I like Reloaded a lot, however, Revolutions left me feeling empty, and dissapointed. Just my .02, but i think this movie was awful, 1.5/5 stars... |
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Okay here are my thoughts on this guys take and questions::: Even though "Revolutions" takes place only in the span of a few hours immediately following "Reloaded," some of our characters have taken, quite suddenly, to using informal nicknames with one another, such as "Merv" and "Trin." ***Gotta give him this one***** In "The Matrix" we were told that agents must obey the physical laws inherent in the matrix. Morpheus says, "Men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air, yet their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be." Not anymore. In "Revolutions," Agent Smith can do everything Neo can. *****We find out that Smith takes on part of anyone he absorbs, (The Oracle eyes for instance) He and Neo had joined code before. Since Smith had taken over the WHOLE Matrix by the last fight, he had taken on all of the weird stuff too (Vampires, Merv, etc.) He just grew new powers.***** In "Revolutions" we meet computer programs who feel love and appreciate karma, but later we're assured that machines always keep their word, since betrayal is a human trait. *****Nope, the Arcitect said that. The Oracle had already said he only sees things as code, variables, etc. He wouldn't have "human traits" ***** Neo survives being driven into concrete so forcefully that he creates a 30-foot crater. (The wonderful site Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics will have a field day with "Revolutions.") Yet what finally fells him is a punch to the gut. There may still be some rules in the matrix governing Neo, but they appear and disappear arbitrarily. *****Duh, they are in a video game where they can change the rules. Deal with it. They punch wasn't a punch either. Smith was interfacing with Neo at that point.***** When confronted with a single sentinel in "The Matrix," a frightened Trinity tells Neo that the electromagnetic pulse is mankind's only weapon against these devilish devices. In "Revolutions," simple machine guns prove quite effective and all ships seem to be equipped with them. Is this a small inconsistency? Yes, except that it makes the tension of the closing minutes in "The Matrix" a complete contrivance. *****Gotta give them this one too... I would have built EMPs in every freaking tunnel between me and the machines***** The same can be said for the process of jacking in and out of the matrix. In the first movie, much of the drama concerns finding safe lines to jump into and out of the matrix. This process has become such an afterthought in "Revolutions" that jacking in is done smoothly, quickly, and always off-screen. *****It was cool at one point. Been there, done that, move one***** The list of glaring inconsistencies goes on. *****Let's hear them***** Worse still, is the way "Revolutions" abandons the larger thematic issues. The climactic moment in "Reloaded" comes when Neo meets the Architect and learns that Morpheus has his chronology wrong, that there have been several matrixes and Zions. The Architect then gives a long mathematical explanation of what Neo is: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here. … The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Pretty big news. In "Revolutions" barely a word is spoken about any of this. In the end, "Revolutions" settles down to a fairly explicit Christian allegory, but even here the Wachowski brothers are confused: Neo is a warrior and if you strip out the symbols, he resembles Muhammad as much as Christ. *****Not completely Christian. These movies take a lot from Gnostic Christianity, Budisim, etc. He didn't do all of his research***** UnlikedOne, the audio in our theater was strange too. Some parts were NOT LOUD ENOUGH, and others (like the Machine Head) I could barley understand I liked the movie. 3.5 / 5 stars. |
This series reminds me of Highlander. It started with a brilliant premise and then just lost its way.
I disagree with people who say the answers are there. There were too many interesting ideas setup in the second movie for me to understand how they could have taken the third movie in the direction that they did. Oh well, just like with Highlander you watch the first one and ignore the rest. And then hope that they will make a cool TV series based on the original. |
I thought it was very well done. I like the way it ended, the fight scenes were awesome. And the toned down use of CGNeo made me happy.
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I loved the battle scenes, and the Neo/Smith fight was great. The ending, however, sucked.
BIT OF A SPOILER AHEAD: Here's the way I thought it should have ended: I would have ended shortly after the machines dragged Neo's body away by showing the beginning of the first movie (him waking up in front of the computer,) but with the little girl waking up in front of the computer instead of him. |
Now that I have slept on it, I guess I feel that together, Relaoded and Revolutions make one hell of a movie. But it just seems that they stuffed everything I loved about this series into Reloaded, leaving nothing much but leftovers for Revolutions once they were split up. I do still disagree with anyone that believes the questions presented from Reloaded were not answered. And I don't mind the actual answers either, even though they were pretty much given to you in Reloaded by the Architect, with the only difference being Zion didnt have to be destroyed this time around. I just didn't like the method used to answer those questions. To me it just seemed like such a build up in Reloaded, that the entire Revolutions was downhill. And the final fight looked good, but just lacked substance and a climactic ending. Anywho, this looks like one of those fliks that you either love it or you hate it, so love or hate on people :)
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I am appalled at some of the comments I've heard. Everyone seems to think that all the pre-release hype (which really wasn't that bad, all things considered) about a movie justifies completely driving it into the ground after its release. The Wachowski brothers cannot make a movie that caters to everyone's expectations. So they have made a series of movies that explore different things (philosophy, combat, action, allegory) while providing some of the most adrenaline-filled cinematic effects and action scenes in the genre.
Revolutions is no different. Granted, there are a few annoyances that struck me during the viewing. Mainly, one factor that was out of the hands of the directors : a different actress taking over the role of the Oracle, previously played by Gloria Foster, who died during production. I get the feeling most of the Oracle scenes, including the ending, would have had a far greater impact had the character been played by the original actress. But hey. The small technical inconcistencies and details don't interest me that much. The fact that Neo can now survive plummeting to the ground (creating a 30 ft. hole in the process) does bother me, though, as it poses the question - why do Smith and Neo bother fighting as seemingly neither one of them can be killed by physical force ? I was left kind of confused about certain aspects of the film, though maybe a second or third viewing will take care of that. Specifically, the whole reason why Neo can control Machines in the real word is still a mystery to me. Also, I'm not entirely sure just how Neo succeeded in destroying all the Smiths. Which is odd, since I usually have an eye for the unstated in movies... but maybe I was just overwhelmed by all the good things in this movie. The battle scenes, for example. The fight at the Dock was quite possibly the most amazingly cool battle sequence I've seen in a science fiction setting. It seems to be very politically correct these days to say special effects are just eye candy that can't cover up a badly produced movie, and I guess that's true, but FUCK ME. The special effects are half of what makes this movie (and the entire series) great, but that's not a bad thing. So much hype was created around the highway chase scene in Reloaded, but the scene at the docks is definetely the most impressive one in the trilogy, IMO. I actually enjoyed the allegorical and semi-philosophical aspect. I can't tell you why, I just did. For some reason I had immediate sympathy for the Indian program guy. The confrontation between Neo and the 'sentinel face' in the machine city (and the whole scene leading up to it, culminating in the first time Trinity sees the sun outside of simulation) was pretty farking cool as well. Ultimately, without trying to be an apologist for the Matrix (because I never really got excited about the first movie and was disappointed with the second), I think what matters is this : When the credits rolled and the lights went on, I was overwhelmed at how good this movie was, and immediately wanted to see it again. I'd give it 85 out of 100 now, though that may chance after a few more viewings. I love it, and though the ending did leave something to be desired, I think it's a great conclusion to the series. Conclusion : Matrix Revolutions > Jesus. |
Without going into some massive post, I'll just keep it simple.
If you can manage to have a damn mind of your own, you will like this movie. This trilogy was a excellent set of movies, that did some U-turns midway thru. If you cant deal with this, you should stick to PG movies where everything is spelled out. 4/5 Revolutions 4/5 Overall |
I guess my question is, whether you liked this movie or not, why do you have to be insulting while expressing your opinion? Most of the people here, for or against the film, seem to "get it." So what is the point of questioning their maturity or mental compacity just because their opinion varies from yours?
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I can't see how anyone who liked the matrix for its mind blowing plot could enjoy of dumbed down and simple this movie was. It should have left half of the people leaving the seats and saying what the hell just happened. It had the potental to being one of the most creative movies since the original matrix. Instead it was CGs battle scenes, and pointless talking that had you taken it out would not have changed the movie. Yes it was all cool and it was a good movie, but by what standards? It was great compared to what else has been released this season but not compared to the first or second movies.
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Matrix revolutions. Bane/smith questions.
I don't care if you all liked it or hated it, its not one of those threads, I am just curious what people have come up with as to why Smith is able to live in Bane when Smith is only a program. Does Neo only have powers against the Machines, cause he was getting his ass handed to him by Bane. Can't he remember any of that kung fu shit when hes not plugged in? Was this answered in the movie and I was just asleep or something?
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Well apparently the series assumes that the human mind and the Machines' computer systems are cross-compatible. The Matrix can upload information to someone's brain (all the people who are plugged in), so who is to say a brain, when connected to the Matrix (as Bane was when he got 'infected'), can't be altered so severely that someone's personality stays changed, even when he or she is unplugged ? I think this is what happened.
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Well, it seems that maybe I got a little too patronising about Revolutions. Sorry if I insulted anyone...I seem to get my own opinions confused with facts about the movie that are wrong.
So, after this initial apology, on to the second half of my previous statement: some people are saying Revolutions sucks because of plot events that don't actually happen in the movie. Someone mentioned that Agents are based on rules like in the first one. Why is Smith able to combat Neo and not get his ass kicked then? Because Smith isn't an Agent anymore. This was firmly established in Reloaded. Smith is a virus now who is beyond the rules of agents. Quote:
Like I said earlier, sorry if I degraded anyone else's opinion...I tend to get caught up in things that I believe in. :) Your opinion matters as much as mine does. I simply feel obligated to correct information that is presented falsely, especially when it's the basis of why someone says a movie sucks. -Lasereth |
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