EeOh1

It's probably been a topic of discussion here somewhere - the whole reality TV bit, so to avoid the rhetoric, I want to know who here has been watching Paradise Hotel. Anyone?

I'll admit that I've caught every episode, 'cept maybe one or two, and I love it. It's, by far, my favorite reality TV show. I won't go in to deep discussion until I know that I have at least a couple of people to discuss with.

Go Charla and Dave.

messy

It is the best reality show on TV.

The thing that makes it work is the cast. How they found these people is beyond me.

I'm with you, Charla and Dave should win. But, I also dig Tara and Keith just 'cause Tara is completely fuckable.

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Mr. Spacemonkey

I've been watching this show, and i'm also hoping Dave and Charla win. I'd really hate it if somehow Amy or someone like her won.

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SecretMethod70

I can't stand to watch the show to be honest. I wish they'd just get all the women in the show to do a Playboy spread and just cancel the show. This way I could get what I want and not have to sit through dreaded "reality TV"

Show me any guy who watches this show for a reason other than the fact there are hot women on it and I'll show you a liar.

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Plan9Senior

This show has been hands down the best drama filled reality show to date. Charla and Tara are mighty nice eye candy I might add

messy

and here's the other hottie Charla:

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EeOh1

Alright, sweet, people watch it.

Tara is gorgeous. Finally, a show where they cast at least a few really good looking women. I swear, a lot of reality TV shows pick a bunch of unattractive women...c'mon...think for a second. Holly is also wonderful.

Dave's a nice guy. The crap people give him really pisses me off. When those vote off bastards came back in and played mind games with Dave, I got really pissed off. Screw Andon.

Amy is the devil. She's absolutely disgusting - especially in the last episode...that whole shoveling in cereal...wao. She's so mean, too...and clingy. I love it how Zack told her that he was disgusted that she picked him and would have expected someone better looking to choose him because he's "the best looking and hest the best body". That was disgusting.

Desiree was also pissing me off.

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Mr. Spacemonkey

Yeah, i like Dave too. He took a LOT of shit when they came back and the fact that he could take it all and still be in the game makes him pretty cool to me.

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Batman976

Hot damn! How did I manage to miss this thread? I've been rooting for Charla and Dave for quite some time now. I couldn't help but crack up the entire time the old guests were back. All they did was try to belittle Dave, Charla, Tara, and Keith, but they whole time they were making themselves look like idiots. I laugh out loud everytime they show that clip of Zach trying to make fun of Keith.

Aside from that, however, how the hell are you all overlooking the beauty that is Holly?

Let us not forget that when Scott asked her if she would pose for a "Girls of Paradise" edition of Playboy she said yes without missing a beat. I will be happily awaiting that issue.


And another thing. Does anyone have any idea what "the ultimate prize" is? Any guesses?

G_Lock

I too must admit that I watch the show regularly. I also must agree that I have been rooting on Dave and Charla the entire time. So far I agree with most here, Charla, Tara, and Holly are definately the best looking. I really love it how everyone always says to Dave, Charla, Keith, and Tara that they are playing underhanded and plotting, because they are such hypocrits. I think all the "original" girls were plotting to get charla out for a LONG time. I really wish I could be there when all of those people watch themselves on the show after it is over, because man are they going to feel like shit. For a place that is suppose to be all about relaxing and paradise everyone is WAY too uptight and take the "game" too seriously.

As for the "ultimate prize", I bet it is some sum of money and something like a yearly vacation to Paradise Hotel for free. Any other guesses?

Batman976

I had this idea about the "ultimate prize" being the love or friendship they gained with their partner. For some reason it wouldn't surprise me... that show is all about fucking with the guests. Why the big secret for it anyway?

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G_Lock

If FOX tried to pull that BS, then I am sure all the guests and fans would get pretty freakin pissed off.

Plan9Senior

The "ultimate prize" should be to be granted immunity for the murders of that Zack kid and his annoying girlfriend Amy, in which we get to watch on a special 2 hour episode finale .

EeOh1

Rofl, Plan.

I'm just thinking a crapload of cash. But that'd be unoriginal and this /is/ Fox we're talking about, guys.

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EeOh1

Dave completely screwed himself over tonight. Lying at Pandora's Box was one thing - all he had to do was go to Keith and tell him that it was just a strategic move. Instead, he had to continue the story and extend it to Holly, which understandably pissed Keith off. Dave then sulled up without laying it ALL down on the table for Keith to understand.

I hope and think that Keith'll still keep Dave and Charla. Crazy Dave.

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YourNeverThere

How could you guys like Dave and Charla?? I mean sure, Zack was an ass, but I mean, Dave's a tool, Keith is a jackass, Charla's been useing Dave the whole bloody time, she knows he fucking loves her and she is playing him, Tara's just not very smart. Amy was the only one with an integrity, hooking up with Zack was stupid but she was great. The barbies are just using thier looks and being stupid, they are like the 'cool' kids at school, exclusive, and annoying. Anyway, I'm glad Dave messed up last night so badly becuase hopefully him and Charla will be gone. Holly and Scott should win becuase Holly is bloody hot and Scott's alright, anyway /rant.

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Plan9Senior

This sounds like something the rest of the cast would have wrote hehe. I am confused on how you think Charla, Tara, Dave, and Keith are like the 'cool' kids, I totally feel like the rest of the cast were the 'cool' kids. Holly and Scott should not win because they did absolutely nothing to make it that far and had nobody against them their whole trip. I shouldn't take your post too seriously though, being that you used the words 'integrity' and 'great' to describe Amy . You are probably one of the rare people who watched the show and thought it was cool how everybody constantly riddiculed Charla, Dave, Tara, and Keith .

YourNeverThere

No, I know don't take me to seriously, I mean its a reality t.v. show and I feel like an ass just talking about it Also its really late and I can't spell. Anyhoo, The Charla, Dave, Tera, Keith alliance just angered me becuase they all think that they are so great, I mean, they plotted and sceamed a lot. The whole cool group thing was just the impression that I got, because it seemed like all the other guest's were sort of feeling rejected by not being included in thier little group. My instincts just sort of make me want to cheer for the other group, the people that didn't make the cut. Unfortunatly, that group ended up making alot of stupid mistakes, like Andon exsisting at all, that was a mistake, 'cept he has a great tattoo. Anyway, I didn't think that it was very cool when all the old guest came back on and yelled at Dave and others alot, that was just sort of stupid.

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Plan9Senior

Well, all I can really say about the show is that it was entertaining as hell. I am going to miss all of that drama

YourNeverThere

Ya it was, people acting like 6 year olds with ADD, I loved it, I really wonder what the prize is and I hope it's the lead role in a cheap porn for all guests. that would rule.

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G_Lock

Aside from everything, I am just a little upset that they ended it like that. I was really into it, because Kieth was in an unbelievably hard position and then they ended it. Now we have to wait a week to find out. I do have to admit that Dave really screwed himself over this week. I mean its one thing to try and play the field and gain trust at the begining by saying things, but at the end its a little odd. I mean this whole time, I always thought that it was Dave & Charla, with best friends Keith and Tara. And it was no secret that all four of them had each others back. So I think Dave had no reason to try and get Scott and Holly. I mean I know he just wanted to make sure that if Scott and Holly got the power, that he would vote of Keith and Tara, but I mean to tell him that he would not kick him off is just ridiculus. Scott and Holly I am sure knew before all this happened that Keith and Tara would keep Dave and Charla, and vice versa. Dave should have just left it well enough alone, and just taken his chances *IF* Scott and Holly would have won the power to kick off a couple. Basically it was a really bad judgement on Dave's part. Ever since the begining I like Dave, Charla, Keith, and Tara. I have nothing against Scott and Holly either. Mainly I just wanted all the other "originals" gone, because I thought they really behaved badly. Scott is one of those people who is very friendly, and tried not to have any sides, and just make sure he is well like by everyone. Honestly, he has done the absolute least in my opinion of "playing the game", and he is now in the "finals" so to speak. With that said, I really have no favorites out of the final 3 couples, so I am just gonna watch and be happy with any one of them winning. Also, I wonder what the final "biggest twist" will be. What if they first pick a couple to win, and then tell them that only one of you can win. HAHA. Man that would be crazy. Oh well, just over a week and we will find out. I must admit FOX has done a pretty good job of keeping all the secrets from leaking out. I am really surpirsed that the "ultimate prize" was not some how out on the internet. Well that's enough of my late night rant on Paradise Hotel.

Batman976

I totally agree. At this point Dave is totally stupid for trying to play both sides. The mind games aren't really going to work anymore. I think Dave doesn't realize that his strategies from the beginning aren't going to work now like they did before. It's a shame that he had to put Charla in the middle of his antics. I don't think that Keith will get rid of them though. They've been in it together for so long and once it's down to the final four, it's not like anyone can do much to "play the game."

As a side note, I am completely in love with Holly. I really don't want to see her go.

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Plan9Senior

I think you hit the nail on the head . I would bet money that this will be the final twist!

YourNeverThere

Oh man I agree, she's so hot

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Sexodus

Holy Crap G_Lock, Make the final 2 only 1 person wins!! WOW WOW WOW

That would be so cool. I Agree with u so much!

I want that to be it LOL!


P.S. The "ORIGANLS" are so lame. the whole show they didnt want charla or dave with them. (always plotting against them) then when charla dave start to win... ya so only cuz they arnt winning dave and charla are backstabbers! EVERYONE IN THE SHOW IS BACKSTABBERS (-boe only honest one in there) and HUGE hypocrits OMG

DAVE AND CHARLA SHOULD WIN they played the game the best
yes charla is the hugest backstabber but thats the game

paradise hotel 2 could never beat this but i hope they have one!

EeOh1

Sweet, discussion.

I understand Dave playing the field. Hell, I might have done something like that if I were in his shoes...just not to that degree. Hint at things, make Holly/Scott feel comfortable, but don't flat out say, "Holly, you're not going home." He got caught in the moment, I think.

Also, after that Pandora's Box where Dave said he had thought about sending Keith home...Keith should have confronted Dave earlier since it was obvious he was worried...and Dave should have immediately pulled Keith aside and explained to him it was only strategy.

When the whole New vs. Original thing reached its peak, I hated the originals. I had originals I liked, like Amanda, Beau, Alex, and Scott, but I was rooting for the Barbie Posse. The originals were ridiculously obnoxious. I can understand the split, but stop screaming. Geez. The originals came off as the 'cool' kid group. When the originals came back and started screwing with Dave's head (and ears), I was extremely pissed off. Gotta love that replayed clip of Zack with that funny face, arms waving, attempting to mock Keith. Evil bastards.

I'm curious as to the ultimate prize...and I hope the prize doesn't just go to one person. Who cares? We all know that if Dave won, he'd split the prize with Charla, visa versa, Keith with Tara, etc. etc.

I don't think Keith will get rid of Charla and Dave. Charla and Tara are too attached, and I'm sure they discussed this (especially since Tara went to sit down by Charla when they were at the pool).

Holly's hot. And will do Playboy after the ordeal is done. Guaranteed.

Also, Paradise Hotel 2 is a sure thing. Gotta be. I think PH was very successful. I haven't checked ratings or anything, but they wouldn't have dragged the season out 3 months if it weren't successful.

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Batman976

Oh man... did Charla look like the biggest bitch in the world at the end of tonight's episode or what? Especially after Keith and Tara announced they were going to take everyone to Vegas. It really didn't surprise me though. Charla had been walking all over Dave all season.

What's going on next season though? She didn't say...

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The decision Charla made was crazy. I was never sure if Charla was really meaning everything when she said to dave, oh you're my best friend, etc. Now I guess I have my answer. I think that she still thinks of Dave as a friend, but not good enough to split the money with. And honestly I think Dave is actually pretty upset, and I think got even more upset, when he found out that Keith did split the money. But, as usual I think Dave like Charla too much to ever say anything about it. He was trying really hard to keep telling Charla that its just money and he didn't care, but I know he did. Also, that "big" twist about switching partners was STUPID. As soon as she said that, I knew that Keith and Charla were going to win. Seriously Dave and Tara are definately the two that are disliked the most by the former members. I bet it wasn't even a close race. I mean you even heard all of them talking about how they wish they could vote for Keith and Charla, instead of by couples, which obviously they got to do because of the twist. I think if they had kept the couples the way they were, a lot of people would have voted for "Dave & Charla" because of Charla, and a lot of people would have voted for "Keith & Tara" because of Keith/not wanting Dave to win at all costs. It would have been pretty close if they had kept it like that. I really think that *maybe* 2 people voted for "Dave & Tara". Only Zack and Amy, but only because of their thing with Keith. But other than that I am sure all of them voted against Dave, and that meant against Tara as well. I really wonder how much different would it have been if Dave never made those comments towards the end. The ones about picking Scott and Holly over Keith and Tara. Because in that case, I still think it would have been the same 2 couples in the finals. Then not everyone would have been against Dave. I think Scott and Holly would have both voted for him to win at the end, since they both liked him before those comments. And everyone else seems to like Scott, and might have followed his lead, since they really didn't like either Keith or Dave that much. One last thing. What kind of "Ultimate Prize" was that? You would think they could come up with something better than $250,000 each. What do you all think?

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seretogis

Honestly, if I were Charla, I would have made the same decision. She was never interested in Dave as anything more than just someone to be friendly towards while moving closer to the finals. In the end, he proved himself to be more of a liability (by lying to Holly and Scott) than an asset. I bet that Charla was incredibly relieved when they announced the couple-switch "twist," as she really had no chance when teamed up with Dave.

Dave wins an ultimate prize too -- he learns that even if he gets to the end of the game by cheating and lying, he won't necessarily win.

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The only thing I can say is that there were so many losers on the show that it was ridiculous. Every one of the judges thought they should be up there yet they didn't have what it takes to get that far. They all lied and schemed behind each others backs.

A 5 year old could have thought up better twists than the producers came up with. I think it would have been much better if they let the last four sit down and watch all the clips of the other hotel guests after the judges had ripped into them. At least then they would have been able to point out the hypocrisy of so many of them.

Charla not splitting the money was BS since there's no way she would have been in the finals without Dave following her every whim.

Oh well, what can you do? Hopefully they can get some better twists for next year.

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G_Lock

Well there was NO WAY Charla would have gotten to the finals, or even close to the finals if she wasn't with Dave. I am not trying to say Dave didn't lie, etc., but he ALWAYS stayed with Charla. Never once did he do anything to go against her. If what you say above is true, that she was only being friendly towards him to go to the finals, then she is the biggest Bitch on the show. I had pretty much up to that point, liked Charla, and thought she was genuine, but I guess not.

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DownwardSpiral

I'm one of those 'reality TV haters', it's all the same and it all annoys me.

Until we meet again. . .

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No offense to anyone here who might actually be Dave, but he was beastly, AND a lying asshole. There is absolutely no way that he would have been able to stay if Charla hadn't picked him. They chose each other in order to further each others own interests -- neither of them was acting in a selfless manner. If he had been "the unattractive nice guy" he could have stuck with Charla and gotten a lot of support to win. However, he backstabbed more than anyone else on the show, and honestly, deserved to be the only person in the finals that "lost." Charla was entirely justified to keep the money for herself -- she deserves it far more.

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EeOh1

Charla deserved the prize more. Until the last two shows, I had really liked Dave. I think he played the game like a lot of us would have; he was intelligent and conniving. I can tell you now that I would not go into that game like Scott did. Scott almost was in the final two, yes, but that was, in part, luck. I would have lied a bit and talked about other people. I would not, however, have specifically told Holly she was safe; I think Dave got caught in the moment.

Amen. The prizes on shows like For Love Or Money were 1 Million, and it wasn't an "ULTIMATE PRIZE." That prize was ridiculous. I at least expected 1 Million.

I thought the twists were good...except the couple switching (which I was glad happened) and the "ultimate prize."

As for Charla not splitting the money: I don't think that that makes her feelings towards Dave not genuine. I think Toni severely influenced her decision. I'd liked to have given him like 25K or somethng, not 125K. They both leaned on each other, but yes, without him, she wouldn't be there. I don't much care what she did...but again, I don't think it proves her ungenuine.

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