lindalove

Awesome. I loved this series at the beginning and am currently reading Phantom. I hope Raimi does this justice.

Xazy

Hmm I wonder how the S&M, and leather outfits will be portrayed...

JStrider

big fan of the books... this has a lot of potential to be very cool

hopefully it wont be neutered for TV...

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skier

I'm looking forwards to this. I really hope it's well done, the way lord of the rings was... there is just so much material to cover, i'm wondering what will be cut out

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lindalove

Yeah I'm worried about what they may have to do to it to make it TV safe or fit into however long it will be. Darken Rahl and the kid, Demmin Nass' predilictions, Denna and the Mord Sith, Nass' end at the hands of Kahlan. There's some brutal stuff that may get gutted.

stevie667

I never really got into the style of these books, so maybe this may help with the whole understanding thang.

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Maveric

could you summarize the series for me, please?

thanks!

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spindles

LOL - kinda like asking for a summary of "War and Peace" or the Bible

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skier

Sword of truth wikipedia entry

They have a good summary of the 9 novels there.

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krwlz

Yea, I just read phantom. Waiting this next however long for the next book is going to be excruciating. While I'll be interested in seeing the mini-series, I know damn well they're going to fuck it up.

It might be decent though. Casting is going to be absolutely crucial. Id love to see who they cast for Chase. Richard and Kahlan I'm sure will not fit my imagination. Seeing how they dress the Mord Sith (Please Please Please don't ruin my fantasy about THEIR costumes) will be interesting. However, I don't know how you can put the kind of torture inflicted on Richard on a TV screen for a general audience. Maybe an HBO miniseries? Then it would have serious potential. I just don't want to see it on CBS.

As said previously, there is some seriously brutal things in the whole series, much less Wizards First Rule alone. But it's part of what makes you get into the series. The blinding hatred for some characters, the realism, etc etc.

Any of you ever read Feists Riftwar Saga? That's a set of books I'd love to see turned into some movies. But they have to be Rated R movies, or whats the point?

MontanaXVI

I read one or two books in the series and enjoyed them very much, just never got around to any of the others, also had no idea it was such a long running series.

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krwlz

It only seems long and daunting... When you're absorbed in the story, its over all too quickly.

Tophat665

Just finished Phantom. I have got to say, the more I read of this series, the more I am convinced that Terry Goodkind has a f*cking snakepit for a brain. I'll read the last one, and probably even enjoy it, but I don't see any point whatsoever in making a video production of it.

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krwlz

snakepit for a brain? Haha, mind elaborating?

JStrider

if your gonna talk about phantom make another thread, one marked spoilers... not all of us can afford to buy the hardback and its nearly impossilbe to get at the libraries right now...

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krwlz

Hey, no problem man, I was just wondering what he meant by snakepit for a brain. I think he can elaborate that without going into book details. If not, nevermind.

If you were but a bit closer man, I'd offer to send you my hardback copy, you could read it, and send it back to me. Provided you were kind on books that is. I enjoy sharing my books, its just the few that have come back to me broken and bruised, and or not come back at all that bother me.

Though that's not a bad idea... TFP book exchange, I send you one youve never read, you send me one I've never read, when we're done send em back, or to someone else on a list... Hmm.... Possibilities.

Tophat665

Well, it seems to me that in all the books he really dwells on the horror of any number of horrid situations. It's like hogtied.com and submissivesex.com meets rotten.com. Of course, he also comes out with a good bit on respect for the individual and some decidedly Old Testament morality, but, on the balance, I'd say he's just this side of Brett Easton Ellis on the f*cked-in-the-head-o-meter.

On the other hand, if you get a kick out of his stuff, I have to heartily recommend American Psycho, the only book that ever made me nauseous.

So what I am getting at is, I suppose, the books can be a good-ish read in a sort of Robert Jordan meets Steven King sort of way, but, for my money, I think they would make a lousy miniseries. Everyone's a little sick in the head, and that responds to this sort of thing on the printed page, but when someone else is defining the pictures for you, I think you'll find that there aren't a lot of people who are precisely that kind of sick.

(No Spoilers here, unless a lot more of the same is a spoiler.)

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JStrider

thanks...but I've gotten myself neck deep into the new dune books... pretty good stuff

I know what you mean... 99% of the time books I've read dont even look like they've been read... dont crease the spine or fold the pages or anything... occasionally on a camping trip or something the odd book will get a lil messed up... but nothing too bad... especially a loaner book...


and yah he does have a pretty twisted mind... a couple books ago it seemed like he was getting a bit preachy...but that seemed to lighten up in chainfire

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Baldrick

I read Wizard's First Rule and enjoyed it very much. Never picked up any of the others though, don't know why. Will have to start again if Raimi is at the helm!

And don't worry about "softening the content" for television until we see what channel it's playing on. For all we know it will be on HBO, which would be a perfect fit.

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guthmund

Does the writing get any better?

I picked up Wizard's First Rule a few weeks ago and I just can't seem to find my way through it. I've tried for the last two nights to read just a little bit more in the hopes of jumpstarting my interest, but no such luck; I read a few pages and then just replace the bookmark.

I like the story, I dig the characters, but the writing is just...I don't know...too clunky? disjointed?

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lindalove

Umm...no I think that if you don't like it now, you won't like it later either. The subsequent books start to get a little preachy.

That said, I think WFR picks up a lot in the second half so if you persevere it may get better for you.

krwlz

Well, I rather like his writing style personally. I critique it as I'm reading, but I do that with any book.

As for his gore-a-thon running through all the books, yea, I'd have to agree, it can be over the top. I mean, detailed battle scenes full of gore is one thing...

Dreaming up reading limited prophecy from human entrails, tons of rape and sodomy, and gaining entrance to the underworld by pouring molten lead down a little boys throat... Yea, it's over the top.

Then again, while it's extreme, I don't imagine any of us would be any less sickened were we to witness say a... Civil War med tent?

guthmund

I'll definitely finish the book. I'm about half-way through and to stop now would drive me crazy.

Either way, I like the story and I'd like to see what Raimi does with it.

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Seeker82

[QUOTE=Tophat665]Well, it seems to me that in all the books he really dwells on the horror of any number of horrid situations.

Right I think that anyone who agrees with this needs a little dose of reallity. What do you think goes on during a war? It's not just simple killing, it's a lot more than that. Wars are horrific and believe it or not in some cases it is worse than what Terry discribes. Torture is part of war and so is all the horror that goes along with it. Terry Goodkind isn't afraid to show this reallity in his books. War is a terrible thing which is only really understood by those who have lived through one.

As for the miniseries I hope it's good but a movie can never be as good as a book.

Zotz

Good point! Maybe if they put it on HBO, they can pull it off the way it should be.

robot_parade

I read Wizard's First Rule, and while I thought it was 'ok', I didn't like it enough to continue reading. It seemed about like Robert Jordan, if RJ were into S&M. :-)

Plus, the...well...ickyness kinda bugged me. I mean, whatever hapenned to the days when wearing all black and a pointy beard was enough to prove you were the bad guy?

Seeker82

Actually I think the first is book is the most "horrific". The later books don't have so much S&M. But anyway like I said that's the reallity of evil and war.

lindalove

WFR is probably the most graphically violent, grim, and edgy. I think "Temple of the Winds" is probably the most sexually explicit.


Spoiler: I have no idea how they would get past the whole TOTW entrance/"betray him with her blood"/oral sex thing on TV. Cross that bridge when we get to it I suppose.

Sage

I think the first three books are ok, then THE EXACT SAME THING keeps happening over and over again. Like, jeez, how many times can Kalahan and what's his face be mad at each other, or kidnapped, or seperated, or replaced by an evil twin, or whatever?

And seriously... Mord Sith? That guy has more issues than a magazine rack at Barnes and Noble.

I would suscribe to HBO again if they had a series based on George RR Martin's books... but NOOOOO gotta go for Terry Goodkin. $0.02



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verna said.. i want to hear his screams when cara worked that turd over that killed warren.. wish they flayed him also. grr i liked warrens caracter. I bonded with him alot.

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zazaandalex

Daniel Cudmore as Richard

Famke Jansen as Denna

Kelly Hu as Constance

Tyler Mane as Chase

Chantal Cousineau as Khalan just go see her picture here : http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/11549...eau,%20Chantal

Let me know what you think about my choice

zed wolf

Interesting...I would be skeptical as to how they couldconvincingly pull this story off on TV. Even HBO. Atleast from the perspective of someone that has read the entire series so far. His work does tend to dwell on extreme pain alot too,I have often thought about what kind of person he is, to be so transfixed by pain. I believe in every book there is several chapters devoted to one character or another being subjected to more pain then....well, more pain then 2 Terry Goodkind novels put together. Oh, wait this is Terry Goodkind...
Overall, I like the series and am quite interested in how it will end but on my top 10 list is down tword the bottom.

Echelon

Honestly people sit here and say stuff like, oh god I wonder what they'll have to do to get it on TV, I hope they don't ruin it. Then others sit here and complain about gore as if they haven't noticed reality in what sick people can do. The beautiful part about this story is that it truly shows the amazing and sick side of humanity. It's what makes people hate the evil and sit there reading there books hoping frantically reading to find out if the good guy wins. It may be demented but you obviously haven't been through enough in life or seen enough to realize just how sick humanity can be when turned for the worse.

Rape is not something irregular in life don't be surprised that it can be in a book where a guy is trying to teach people about characters. The same thing can be said for anything in the books. Take some ancient civilizations where people did some really sick things. This stuff did not fall from the sky into Terry Goodkind's head where he made it up. I agree with Seeker82, this is war and it's not pretty. If you do not want to go into depth into something like this then don't read it. This isn't some kids book for kids under 18 and I wouldn't suggest it to anyone under that age. It gets a bit repeatative, but so does life. You ever realize the same stuff prolly happens to you a lot? Also one more thing.

To what Sage recently said.....what in the world. Are people supposed to only be mad at each other once? Uhh like people are saying its War, you think something is only allowed to happen once.....especially when you have half the world wanting you dead. I think kidnapping and the lot are something that would probably be attempted more then once over the course of time when you are fighting that big of a war. I think its excellent with how evil the people in the book truly are, makes you afraid of them. I for one am not afraid of the classic bad guy who plays by the rules but oh no he wears black.

Crack

This needs to happen sooner than later. Tomorrow works for me.

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Stive

I think Denna should be more musculer then her i dont know anyone but im sure there is still a woman who is musculer but still pretty

Crack

Still waiting for an update to this...bah.

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Zotz

Anyone have any REAL news on this?

UKking

interesting....

Scorpion23

Quite so. I was expecting maybe the SciFi channel to pick it up. ABC will give it more viewers, but I'm worried about how they might try to modify it for their regular audience

blahblah454

I hope to god they don't nerf this. There are so many extreme parts to that book that they better not cut, namely the Mord Sith.