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Old 09-04-2008, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Case for Settling

Hi Ladies. I saw another thread (in Life) about settling and it inspired me to post a thread here.

I read an article that argues WHY women should settle and I thought it'd be interesting to see everyone's opinions.

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Old 09-05-2008, 06:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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After reading that enormous article, that I confess I skimmed through towards the end, here is my take on this issue:

Settle is a bad word to call deciding to be with someone in a relationship for the longterm.

I concede that there is a difference between being rapturously in love with someone, and loving them for who they really are.

I would say a woman should never settle. Nor should a man.

If you feel you are settling, I think the level of satisfaction and happiness you will achieve in your life will be sadly low.

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settling will probably make you happier in the long run, since many of those who marry with great expectations become more disillusioned with each passing year.
I get the disillusionment part. Yes, some people have misguided ideas about what it is to share your life with someone on a daily basis. But I think you can be in love with someone AND accept their flaws also.

The article talks about "keeping your eye on the prize". It makes it sound like the person you choose to be with in a committed relationship is some kind of trophy. That's not true love to me.

It also speaks of marrying "mr. good enough". Well to me being in love is when you have found that person where you don't want for anything that is essential to you. Sure, nothing's perfect. But perfect is an abstract idea in our head that is always just out of reach. If you just stop thinking about better then you can appreciate what you have around you already.

There are other bits and pieces in this article I have snipped out:

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Once you’re married, it’s not about whom you want to go on vacation with; it’s about whom you want to run a household with.
Can't it be about both?

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What I long for in a marriage is that sense of having a partner in crime. Someone who knows your day-to-day trivia. Someone who both calls you on your bullshit and puts up with your quirks.
This was mentioned as something desired after the writer realized she'd like to "settle". To me, this statement is what I look for already, in a realistic, and romantic way. I don't understand, isn't this what any woman who is minimally experienced in the ways of life and love looks for? Love is in the details.

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I would say even if he’s not the love of your life, make sure he’s someone you respect intellectually, makes you laugh, appreciates you … I bet there are plenty of these men in the older, overweight, and bald category (which they all eventually become anyway).
Well sure. We all go down that path eventually, ageing. But does this mean to say that all women over 35 think of nothing but the superficial aspects of men and nothing more? It's very relative...we all like different things.

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we grew up thinking that marriage meant feeling some kind of divine spark, and so we walked away from uninspiring relationships that might have made us happy in the context of a family.
I sure didn't grow up that way. I knew that I wanted a strong connection to be there. And life is what you make it. Uninspiring? Maybe you weren't really giving 100 % to it in the first place.


So is what I'm talking about settling or "making an adult compromise" as the author says?

Call it what you will. I say, don't settle. Love your life and learn to be thankful for the good things you have. If you're miserable, don't let yourself stay that way too long. I'd say it's far worse to let yourself die inside long before your body has passed on, than to feel fulfilled no matter what path you've chosen in life.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on the cusp of the situation this article describes. I am 28, going on 29. Still pretty single. Would like to have kids. Have thought what I'd do if I couldn't get in the right situation to have them, before it's...too late.

But I still think, don't settle. Settle is a dirty word. I may find someone I love, who isn't perfect, and decide that I love them far more than I care about their flaws. And they might do the same for me. And that would be pretty awesome. I'll get back to you in a few years
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Old 09-05-2008, 04:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree, settle is a dirty word. It is rather derogatory as well, I settled for you implies that I could have better. If I heard my SO say that he settled for me, it would be like a slap in the face. I do believe that a lot of people do have enormous romantic notions and dream of fairy tales when it comes to life, marriage and commitment. I wouldn't expect every day to be as spark filled as the first, things do change over time. Our needs change over time.

What shouldn't change over time is the commitment, do you have issues in your relationships? Do you just ignore them and say, oh well.. I guess this is the way it will be I am stuck with it. Do you take the time to say, you know what.. I understand that you like it that way but I can't stand it... it really bothers me or Can we do it a different way? In other words, you need to talk, you need to work things out, there needs to be compromise on both sides of the relationship. That is the difficult part because you cannot exactly do it on your own. If your partner is not participating, it isn't going to work.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about this very subject since the other post manifested. It is the word and implication that make it something we shouldn't do. I think it's a matter of semantics.

We've all gone through (an assumption, yes) periods where it seemed every guy was an asshole. Then we meet someone who's nice and it starts going well. Until ... something about him irks you. It can be a personality trait, a habit, some strange nuance that just annoys you and maybe stresses you. It takes all you have to deal with it. At this point, you either dump him or settle? It's not that simple.

This is the time when we decide if we're settling, rejecting, or care enough to realize this is who he is and I love him because of or despite this idiosyncrasy.

Let's just say he stares down women in front of you, and you can't stand it. If you say to yourself, "Every time a cute chick walks by, spittle runs down his chin and it hurts me, but I'll deal with it", you're settling.

If you say, "This guy's unbelievably inconsiderate. It's over", you're rejecting.

If you say, "This guy's flawed, but in the scheme of things, it's something I can deal with 'cause it's actually kinda cute and I know he always comes home to me." I think that's accepting and loving, not settling.

Oh and for those who shop for men to fulfill a shopping list of their Perfect Man, I wish you luck.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I can't disagree with you on it being a matter of semantics. You are right. There is a line though when you realize that those aggravations become more or less little quirks you come to love over time. That doesn't absolve us of communicating the big problems, the ones you can't just shove under the rug. We pick and choose what our real important issues are, ultimately realizing that some battles aren't worth having.

I wouldn't mind my SO commenting about another woman, I would however start feeling put out if it became the highlight of our conversation or a repeating topic. If I never heard a positive comment about my own appearance I would be wondering and wanting to bring that into the relationship also. Of course, we cannot revert back in time, we cannot all have perfect bodies etc, but we can all work on how we project our own image. Here is where you choose where you feel you can bring yourself to settle, can you ignore the drooling or does it need to be given more attention some how.

There may not be a perfect man out there, but if he is a good listener and is willing to work to make our relationship grow..I know I could settle on that.
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Old 09-07-2008, 03:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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There may not be a perfect man out there, but if he is a good listener and is willing to work to make our relationship grow..I know I could settle on that.
Well said, Kat. If that's called settling, we all need to do that.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I've known a few couples who have "settled" for each other and have grown old and happy together. When I was twenty years old, I would have called it selling out. That was before my divorce. As I age (now going on 32) it looks different. As adults, we all make compromises. Different things become important.

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I’m also attaching this ABSOLUTELY ON TOPIC joke, about a woman who wouldn't just settle. Men are so much easier to please...

The New Husband Store

A new store that sells husbands opened a couple of years ago in
New York City. A store where a woman may go to choose a husband.
A sign at the entrance tells how the store operates:

You may visit the store ONLY ONCE! There are six floors and the
quality of the men increases as the shopper ascends each flight of stairs.
There is a description of the men on the door of each floor.

There is, however, a catch: Once you enter a floor, you must choose a man from that particular floor. You may not go up a floor, or back down a floor.
You must choose a husband or leave the building!

So, a woman goes to The New Husband Store to find a husband.

On the first floor the sign on the door reads:

Floor 1 - These men have jobs.
"Good," she thinks, but knows she can do better, and heads up the stairs.

The second floor sign reads:

Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids.
"All right!" she thinks, but doesn't think that is enough, and walks up to the next floor.

The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids, and are good looking.
"Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.

She goes to the fourth floor and the sign reads:

Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and
help with the housework.
"Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!, these men are ALMOST up to my standards."

So, she heads up the stairs to the fifth floor where the sign reads:

Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help
with the housework, love to shop, are intelligent, and have a strong romantic streak.
She is so, so, tempted to enter the door, but instead goes to the sixth floor
where the sign reads:

Floor 6 - You are the 8,354,627th woman to visit this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that some women are impossible to please. Please exit right, and thank you for shopping at The Husband Store.



At the same time,
The New Wives Store opened across the street.

The first floor sign says:
All the women on this floor are good looking, and love sex.

The second floor sign says:
All the women on this floor are good looking, love sex, and have large breasts.

The third floor sign reads:
All the women on this floor are good looking, love sex, have large breasts, and have just won a ten million dollar lottery.

Thus far, the fourth through sixth floors have never been visited.
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Shopping for men is like shopping for curtains. When I went shopping for curtains, I decided it was mandatory that they be long enough, two-tier, and have ruffles. I wanted pale yellow to let the sunlight in, and decided they must have small print, preferably floral. NO fruit print. I took my sweet time browsing. What did I buy? Gorgeous all-white curtains with sheer large ivy leaf print. They are one-tier. No flowers. No yellow. They don't even have ruffles. I could try to change them and add ruffles or another tier, but I decided they aren't that kind of curtain. They are long enough, though, and light enough to let sunlight in.

Did I settle? I don't think so. Because I love them the way they are, and because I don't feel short changed. I think that is the key to both curtains and men.

It's one thing to settle. Quite another for your priorities/tastes to change.
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Shopping for men is like shopping for curtains. When I went shopping for curtains, I decided it was mandatory that they be long enough, two-tier, and have ruffles. I wanted pale yellow to let the sunlight in, and decided they must have small print, preferably floral. NO fruit print. I took my sweet time browsing. What did I buy? Gorgeous all-white curtains with sheer large ivy leaf print. They are one-tier. No flowers. No yellow. They don't even have ruffles. I could try to change them and add ruffles or another tier, but I decided they aren't that kind of curtain. They are long enough, though, and light enough to let sunlight in.

Did I settle? I don't think so. Because I love them the way they are, and because I don't feel short changed. I think that is the key to both curtains and men.

It's one thing to settle. Quite another for your priorities/tastes to change.
Quoted for truth. I love this analogy.

When I was 17, I made a list of everything I wanted in a man. This was something a women's sunday-school director asked me to do. I thought it was odd at the time, but went running with it. It was about 4 pages long. I had a boyfriend at the time. He didn't match that list exactly. It didn't bother me. As I went on to college and started looking around at the men in my classes, I realized quickly how insanely difficult it would be to find someone who met up with every single thing on that list. So I started paring it down to the things I felt were most important. This made the list seem even less realistic. At least with the old list, if a guy met up with a page of those "requirements" he seemed like a good catch. With the shortened list, each requirement seemed exceptionally important. Eventually I met a guy who matched up with 99% of that list. Unfortunately he called me a slut.

So I rethought things.

I accepted that I don't always know what's best for me.
I started moving with the flow of life.

Now, here I am. 25. Married to a wonderful man. Is he perfect in every possible way? Naw. Is he sweet and loveable and do I find his "imperfections" easy to work with? Yep. Are they really imperfections or merely evidence that I must adjust my thinking? I tend to think the latter.

I never thought that I would marry someone who enjoys watching college football. I never ever thought I'd marry a man who is Catholic. Do I love college football? Nope. Do I love the time to myself when he's at a game? Yes. Do I enjoy being Catholic? In many ways, yes. I like the fact that I can go to a mass, kneel in the back, and not interact with anyone other than God. I like the fact that every mass we attend together reminds me of our marriage. It is like celebrating our anniversary every week.

I enjoy the lifestyle I live today. I'm glad I threw out that list.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Ok so I read this with interest. Well I read the first bit and then the last. Its a freaking long article.

Don't settle ... you will end up 36 and going through a divorce and possibly still, like me, childless because he wanted to wait. *Sends her ex over to the writer* enjoy ... oh and try to get him to counseling because he really really needs it.

I may be alone for the rest of my life, I really hope not ... I know my lobster is out there ... but I'll be stronger and healthier even if I am alone.

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Old 09-24-2008, 06:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree with Samantha.... don't settle. I woke up at 44 years old and realized that I had spent almost 20 years of my life settling. Unlike Samantha, I had my children, but not much else. I felt like life was passing me by. Asking myself "Is this all there is?"

I don't think women should be unreasonable in their expectations. I do think we should look inside ourselves, identify what qualities are truly important to us, what we NEED to be happy. Stick to those ideals and don't compromise. There is plenty of room for compromise in other areas.

Samantha, you'll only be alone if you do so by choice. You're young and love has no age limits. I'm 46 now, and deeply in love with a man that I know can fulfill my needs. I am not settling anymore.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
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I accepted that I don't always know what's best for me.
I started moving with the flow of life.

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I enjoy the lifestyle I live today. I'm glad I threw out that list.
And I quote YOU for truth. I hope a lot of people (both men and women) stop in to this thread to read what some of you are writing here. I think it's golden.

I started making a "list" (albeit short, but very key) of things I wanted in a man, when I was about 19-20... after a relationship went bad, of course. A good friend of mine at the time challenged me on that, and instilled in me that building up ideals (in order to find someone to meet those ideals) is a very unhealthy way of going about life. It took some convincing, but finally I got it... and learned to let go. Having such ideals was unrealistic, and actually quite selfish and limiting. Had I stuck to what I "thought" I wanted in an "ideal" partner at the time, I would be up shit creek without a paddle right now. Instead, I gave myself a few boundaries, and decided to see what happened.

And I married an "Arab atheist from Lebanon" (a label for him, but of course it actually says very little about who he is as a person, as my husband)--and like gg, I never, ever in my wildest imaginations would have predicted that path for myself--and thank goodness things do not go as we want them to go, when we are young and still have so many mistakes to make!

I think that just being open to what life hands you, and then throwing yourself into those experiences (in a healthy manner, I assume) is what life is all about. When I met ktsp, I just couldn't find any reason to say no... regardless of where he was from, what language he spoke, or what he believed. That says more about where I was in life than who he was--a few years before that, and I wouldn't even have given him a second glance, because my mind was so closed and built up with ideals and lists, etc. But hey, we fell in love--and the timing was good, there were no major incompatibilities, and so we decided to build our life together. And we just keep going, and getting better and more intimate together every day.

I don't think that's anywhere near "settling," but it's certainly nothing like what I thought I'd want, 5 or 10 years ago. I changed, and I gave myself room to change.
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:12 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Peaches! thank you and *hugs* I believe that there is someone out there for me its just a case of him finding me!

Hell I'm not unreasonable. A guy who would like to meet my friends, a guy who would like to do things I like to do like go to the movies ... play some video games ... read interesting books. Someone who wants to share my life rather than be a room mate.
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:04 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have to admit first that I skimmed the article. It got old, and I'm pretty sure I got the idea.

Its unfortunate that anyone (men or women) feel the need to settle. But, to each their own, it just depends on what someone wants out of life. If all you really need is a husband and a child, than that may work for you. I think that's what this woman is saying.

I'm only in my early twenties, but I can't imagine marrying someone for the sake of having a husband. Maybe that's because I almost did. We all learn what's right and wrong for us through the mistakes we make, and because of that experience, I won't allow myself to marry someone if they're not exactly what I need/want. After my breakup I spent a lot of time trying to make myself happy without the aid of other people, and its working. While I don't want to be single for the rest of my life, I'd rather be single and happy than together and miserable.

Of course the ideal is to be together and happy.
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