09-22-2005, 10:54 PM | #41 (permalink) | |
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Not that I'm a clean freak, it's just the way my dad always taught me when I was a kid and would go with him.
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09-23-2005, 12:04 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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Think of it this way (arguing against the "touching my arm" statement): if I accidentally brush you with my arm, no big deal right? What if I rub my naked cock on you? That's a little different, isn't it?
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09-23-2005, 04:12 AM | #43 (permalink) |
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I love the false science bullshit study that started this thread. They say that they have an investigator basically watching and waiting in the restroom to see if people wash their hands??!??! WTF. It is quite predictable that women or men are more likely to wash their hands when someone else is in the restroom at the same time. Peer-pressure? Social constraints? It is just a plain fact! My guess would be that the "study" (and I use that term loosely) vastly overestimates the number of women and men who wash after eliminating.
As another poster mentions above, many people wash up in a public restroom while they don't wash every time at home. To paraphrase George Carlin: The only time I wash my hands in the bathroom is when I actually shit on them.
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09-23-2005, 07:49 AM | #45 (permalink) |
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Good breeding? What are we, dogs? I also didn't know that manners meant I had to have an irrational fear of nonexistant germs.
Manners, to me, means saying "Please" and "Thank You" and things of that nature. I betcha Gahndi didn't wash his hands every time he pissed, do you think he had "bad manners" or "bad breeding?" I mean 8 or 10 steps of "cleaning" after taking a pee? Are you fuckin' serious? You people disgust me with your irrational fears.. In the last 15 years, I've been sick less than 20 times. I ASSURE you that wasn't because I took the 12-steps-to-cleanliness approach on everything that I did.
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09-23-2005, 08:17 AM | #46 (permalink) | |
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09-23-2005, 08:30 AM | #47 (permalink) | |
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Breeding means passing on proper behaviour and comportment from parent to child. My parents always drilled it into me that you only have one chance to make a first impression. If you want to be percieved to be a civilized member of society then well, you should learn the manners that go along with it. If not, then you run the risk of poor first impressions. If it's not important to you, well then obviously manners are not as well. Manners go beyond pleases and thankyous. Manners go to the point of acquiting yourself in society to the point where you don't cause others to cringe in such situations like ' ewww should i be afraid to shake his hand??' In short, it's about a non-egocentric perspective. If It's always about you, then you wont understand. If it's not always about you, then you will be empathetic. No we aren't dogs, to answer your question. But then again neither are we animals who cannot pass on mannerly behaviour. Breeding means that you are able to learn from those who have been charged with your upbringing. Oh, and by the way, manners also does not mean that you have to have an irrational fear of anything. But having them would go a long way to helping others to assuage their concerns... Last edited by Janey; 09-23-2005 at 08:33 AM.. |
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09-23-2005, 08:44 AM | #48 (permalink) | |
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Jinn, let me ask you this. Let's say you were peeing off the balcony of your favorite hotel. Just as you start to drain, your girlfriend walks out from below, and looks up at you with adoration to ask you if you feel like going for a walk. You pee in her mouth. Just a little. She's not really enthused. Or maybe she is. Let me ask you this. Do you want to go down and kiss her, right then and there? I mean, it's clean. It's antiseptic. It's irrational. Do you want her to brush her teeth first? You know, in fact - a lot of manners could be seen as being irrational, in the sense that you mean it...shaking hands? Stupid. yes sir, yes ma'am? stupid. holding the door for someone else? stupid. I think we do these things to show our respect for others in society...and i'm moving the "keep your sloughed off dick cells off my hands" idea into this category. Maybe it's just me
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09-23-2005, 09:32 AM | #49 (permalink) | |
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P.S. Janey, you taught me a new word. Comportment. I like it.
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09-23-2005, 09:41 AM | #50 (permalink) |
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http://www.adaa.org/AnxietyDisorderInfor/OCD.cfm
"Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder is characterized by uncontrollable obsessions and compulsions which the sufferer usually recognizes as being excessive or unreasonable. Obsessions are recurring thoughts or impulses that are intrusive or inappropriate and cause the sufferer anxiety. Some common obsessions are: Thoughts about contamination, for example, when an individual fears coming into contact with dirt, germs or "unclean" objects" I'm not suggesting any of you are OCD, but its an interesting resource for those of you truly living in fear..
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09-23-2005, 10:00 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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But yeah, in "normal" everyday operation I shake a lot of hands...hell, I've eaten at potluck dinner (stay away from me with your congealed asstacular casseroles, ye filthy culinary heathen) and so forth...but I don't have to like knowing all you unwashed are about.
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09-23-2005, 10:54 AM | #52 (permalink) |
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As I rule i try not to piss all over my hands. i do wash my hands after i use the restroom and use the towel to open to door, btu i only do this becasue i shake about 100 hands everyday at work and its gross to imagine where those hands have been. I hope they would be as clean as mine.
Something that concerns me is you always now see the sign that syas emplyees msut wash thier hands prior to returning to work, but they need to make a sign that says we suggest EVERYBODY wash thier hands prior to leaving the restroom even if you get one or two more people to wash their hands you have done your job. |
09-23-2005, 11:22 AM | #53 (permalink) | |
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Is that enough?? You can't tell me you are certain you get ALL the pee off when you shake - if you get your hand wet and shake it to get the water off does it ALL come off? Not without waving it around for a minute or two at least, right?
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09-23-2005, 11:41 AM | #54 (permalink) | |
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Well as my user name contains the word 'Honest' so shall I be. Swinger parties? I know what they are not my thing. I don't wash my hands or shake everytime or go into a stall to wipe myself. dirty man? I wash my hands before making or eating any food. I would never have oral sex or just sex from a lady without having a good wash first. The reasons for not washing 100% everytime is part laziness, part there isn't always soap or anything anyway. Have you seen the state of some restrooms??!?!! As for shaking 'it' about in public. oh pleasse. I dislike some bloke an inch away from me while I stand and pee as it is thankyou. I am not homophobic but don't like standing so close to a man with my dick out! I have tasted pee a couple of times when going down on a g/friend but pah I loved em so I can forgive that!
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09-23-2005, 11:45 AM | #55 (permalink) | |
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09-23-2005, 12:40 PM | #56 (permalink) |
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May I point out that, in terms of why you need to wash your hands, the urine is irrelevant? Getting urine on your hands is absolutely harmless. It's even possible to save and drink your own urine in an emergency. Some people do it because they believe it's purifying and it strengthens the immune system. It doesn't, but it is mostly harmless.
Do you know what punji sticks are? Bamboo stakes sharpened and coated in feces and driven into the ground then covered with leaves or other ground cover, or in mud or tall grass to disguise them. A soldier steps on them, or is impaled. The wound itself isn't dangerous, but the infection is very dangerous, can lead to the loss of a limb, or in rare cases, death. The culpret is the coliform bacteria that are produced in the intestines and bowels. This is also why being "gut shot" or any other bowel perforation causes a slow, painful death; the leaking intestines infect the other vital organs with their coliform bacteria. These same bacteria are hanging out on the surface and in the pores of your skin in your genital area. They can't be washed off; they're normal flora. So long as they stay there, we're all fine. However, whenever you touch yourself down there, you're picking some up. If you then touch something you're going to eat, or something someone else is going to eat, or another surface that someone else is going to touch, you're spreading your germs around. You may have a little natural immunity to those produced in your own body (but don't count on it), especially if you've been exposing yourself constantly through poor hygiene habits, but the rest of us don't. If that's not enough, keep in mind that frequent hand washing is the single most effective way to prevent the spread of disease. Even if you're not worried about your own health, say because you've got a very healthy immune system, it would be quite courteous to the rest of us to periodically wash your hands so as to not pass things along that you've picked up from surfaces or deposit things on surfaces others will touch. Gilda
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09-23-2005, 12:46 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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The worst part of using a public restroom, is when you have to use a handle to open the door, and there is no paper towel (just the air dryer). Normally I use the towel, to open the door, because of the other people who do not wash.
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09-23-2005, 12:49 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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09-23-2005, 02:52 PM | #59 (permalink) | |
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09-25-2005, 12:28 AM | #60 (permalink) | |
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09-25-2005, 09:42 AM | #61 (permalink) | |
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more useful than yours. I thank you since when is a question so out of order? If someone said 'Oh Crazy guy wants to know something', I would take no offence. Brits are mostly more tolerant I reckon
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09-25-2005, 10:47 AM | #62 (permalink) | |
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09-25-2005, 11:17 AM | #63 (permalink) | |
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OK. I'm off on holiday in a couple of days. Let's see if getting married changes my point of view/ ways of expressing myself? Maybe not but I sure won't have the time to come here as much. I reckon for the first couple of weeks I had better pay some attention to my perfect wife and not the internet!
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09-26-2005, 11:05 PM | #64 (permalink) |
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And Gilda strikes the killing blow in favour of hand washing!
Mr Honest: You might want to curb your natural English sardonic tendancies to avoid any further run-ins with the law.
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09-27-2005, 08:01 AM | #66 (permalink) |
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Jinn,
I've got an idea. How about some field research? Get a t-shirt, and have "I don't wash my hands after I pee" silkscreened on it. Then go around and shake peoples hands. Or, perhaps at a professional conference / setting, just tell people before you shake their hands..."by the way, I just peed...and I never wash my hands afterwards. On principle, you know?" See how they react.
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09-27-2005, 08:30 AM | #67 (permalink) |
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What would the point of that experiment be, exactly? It's already patently clear that people are far too scared of harmless "germs"...
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09-28-2005, 04:18 AM | #68 (permalink) | |
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I never wash my hands after pissing, I actually developed a habit, because of where I work.
When I piss, I don't touch my penis at all I can whip it out, take my piss and then flop it down in there without touching it once. Where I work is extremely oily, and I don't like oily penis!
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09-28-2005, 08:10 AM | #69 (permalink) |
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I'm with JinnKai but I wash my hands unless I feel the taps are really dirty and there are no paper towels. Like said above I think it's dirtier touching the taps and door handles, though you can use paper towels in the bathroom you cannot avoid it when touching surfaces anywhere else, it is also not that bad, as long as you wash your hands before eating your not going to get anything from it.
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09-28-2005, 12:14 PM | #70 (permalink) |
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I also agree with Jin on this issue, however as somene who works in a kitchen I always wash my hands out of habbit, but when I wash my hands after pissing I'm really just doing it to guarantee a customer doesn't see that I didn't wash my hands. So don't worry restuarant goers, I always wash my hands even though I don't want to.
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09-28-2005, 07:14 PM | #71 (permalink) |
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Haha. All this washing and re-contaminating. Amusing. Look it reminds me of a joke - wording is from memory and possibly incorrect....
A man goes to a fancy restaurant and notices that all the staff serving food have a piece of string hanging out of their trousers. He makes a polite enquiry. Sir - our hygiene practices are very strict. When we go to the toilet, we pull our penis out with the string so as not to touch it on our hands. He asks how they put it back afterwards. Sir that's simple. We use the tongs. |
09-28-2005, 07:25 PM | #72 (permalink) |
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Along the lines of some other replies. It never ceases to amaze me the way most washrooms are designed. After turning on the (conventional style) tap with presumably dirty hands, one then is then expected to turn it off with the freshly washed hands.
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09-28-2005, 07:35 PM | #73 (permalink) |
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Hey. What is it about dicks. It seems that there is a greater paranoia about the cleanliness or otherwise of male genitalia than of womens (?)
Is this because of the initial post? Being external and all - I reckon that my male privates are very easily washed. Mine probably gets a better daily washing (or more often since I shower after the gym) than women's bits. And after the toilet, well seriously now - only the end is unclean. Whatever the exact definition of that is. (I aggree, this is all trash science) But yeah my point is. Women can be at least as dirty. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one to generalize - but you girls can smell down there. Plus your plumbing is rather more complicated what with occasional blood and all. |
09-28-2005, 07:43 PM | #74 (permalink) |
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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It is interesting though isn't it how much manners differ between cultures. ie Manners are not absolute, only relative to expectations in your surroundings.
For example - in India it would be considered unclean to use your left hand for serving food etc. I believe that this is their "toilet hand" by convention. My brother is a lefty and he got his behaviour corrected a few times when we were there (I was a kid though.. can't remember much). [If there's anyone Indian here, please correct me if I am wrong.. I don't in any way mean to demean the culture, just to show that conventions differ] As another example, different cultures use please/thank you in different ways, in different contexts/frequencies. You can say thank you too many times and then be considered impolite for not removing your shoes or by declining particular foods. |
09-29-2005, 06:52 AM | #76 (permalink) | |
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