Lasereth

Oh come on. Anyone who pays $40,000 to an institute to receive an education is a paying customer, end of story. Are we covering the whole cost? No, but I'm not paying for the garbage man to empty out McDonald's dumpsters when I order a cheeseburger either. The only people who aren't true customers of a University are those who are getting a free ride from their parents. It's debatable that the parents are the customers of the University then.

-Lasereth

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dksuddeth

I have had long hair since 1992 and I can tell you first hand, keeping it long is definitely the long and hard road. It would be hilarious, if it wasn't so ridiculous, to be turned down for a shelf stocking position at office max because you don't 'look' professional...especially considering the fact that I spent 6 years as an Air Traffic Controller in the USMC. A job that is about as professional as professional can get. I asked the guy if he'd hire any rock off the street as long as he had short hair and 'looked' professional and all he could do was shrug his shoulders and say yes.

Suffice it to say, the long and difficult road is still long and difficult but you can certainly get a good paying job with long hair. Chalk the difficulty up to people in the world too interested in the cover instead of actually reading the book.

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denim

So, what happened??? Ya can't just leave us hanging!


well, you can, but please don't.

smooth

LMAO, you two are a hoot.

Even IF I grant you that 40K covers the cost of your tuition, I'm going to take a wild stab at the idea that YOU haven't paid that. Can we say FAFSA?

LOL, that's right, I'm paying for your education. So cut your damn hair and get your ass back in that classroom...


And if you're learning how to make wild analogies like you brought into this post (and yeah, the cost of running McDonalds is embedded in your purchase price--who the hell did ya think was paying for the business to run? You think corporate is paying the garbage man to pick their trash up from their profits? LMFAO) and this is the best economic analysis you can come up with--well, I want my money back!

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Stompy

Eh, it's not really a big deal.

This isn't high school - your responsibility as a student is to do the work required to pass. End of story. A professor cannot make demands of you to change your appearance.. especially if you have long hair.

Tell him to get over it. He can't legally fail you because you have long hair.

Besides, long hair matters none in a professional environment despite what many will say. If an employer has the nerve to make such an asinine request, then chances are they'll have a shitload of other equally asinine "rules" that you have to follow for some reason.

Your happiness in your career should come first and foremost, unless, of course, you're just a drone that works JUST for the paycheck.

If you do your job and do it well, that's all that matters, but for some reason people like to think otherwise.

To me, an employer, professor.. you name it, needs to give respect in order to get respect. Making stupid requests like that gets you nowhere fast.

...and sorry to break it to ya smooth, but you are NOT paying for their education (if you care to show otherwise, be my guest). That would be like someone saying to a police officer, "I pay your salary!" Yeah yeah.. no you're not. Until the students get free college education and aren't paying shitloads of $$ to attend, any school/professor is out of line in matters such as this.

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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you were paying for his tution... are you really THAT ignorant to let LONG HAIR bother you?

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smooth

No stompy, I'm not. I laid out pretty damn clearly who's really paying for education: the private sector via donations and investements. And what I said was if that was his best argument then he's not getting a very quality education, NOT that long hair bothered me...

But if you can't tell when I'm being faceteous after this long of both of us being members here, then whatever dude, shove your ignorance label right back where you pulled it from.

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Cynthetiq

just because you pay for something doesn't mean you can do as you please. understand that there's lots of times in private institutions where you pay and you must abide by rules and by-laws.

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Poloboy

Redjake,

The person to talk to is the ombudsperson of your university. They are a full time employee of the university paid to settle exactly this kind of situation. He or she will tell you exactly what rights you have in this situation and (I'm sure) tell the department to get their faculty in line.

Of course, I think that should be a second choice, the first being confronting the professor at his next office hours. If he isn't reasonable, go talk to your ombudsperson.

Redjake

I realize this, but the paragraph you quoted was more of a "proving I am a customer" sort of thing rather than a "I should be able to have long hair because I'm a customer" sort of thing


however, this is most definitely not a private instituation where I would fully expect to have a dress code

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Redjake

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

Also, your argument is rather.......invalid. Yes, you are paying for my college right now , but it's not like you are paying for it and then end of transaction. I will be paying for it later. All of it. Every single penny. For a long time. I don't know how this got turned into a "are college students really customers" debate but I'd rather get back on topic with the hair.

I haven't cut it yet and he hasn't mentioned it since. We have our first formal meeting next monday and I'll let everyone know how it goes!

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smooth

No one pissed in my cornflakes and I'm not paying for your tuition (hence my note that I was being facetious). It got turned into a "are college students really customers" debate once you thought that was a legitimate basis for not cutting your hair. The irony, of course, is that businesses typically reserve the right to refuse service to patrons for reasons they deem fit. And that's what your profs going to do "if you don't cut that hair" (courtesy Beastie Boys "Fight For Your Rights", would've been cool if you hadn't missed the reference the first time around--LMFAO). If you re-read my initial post on this, you'll see that it was really a commentary on your alluded to sense of entitlement as a possible root of the interpersonal problem you are experiencing with your professor. That attitude won't earn you success.

"all of it. every single penny."
You certainly aren't and never will be bearing the full cost despite how much you feel you pay.
I don't really care who's paying for your tuition, to tell the truth though, my only point to you in that regard was to not use that argument to anyone other than anonymous people on an internet forum if you want to be taken seriously.

Whenever I want to be lowkey, I tie my hair back and drop it down my shirt. If I want to be flamboyant, I pick it out into a big ass fro. A number of people have already explained some other options for you to exercise; what more "on topic" discussion are you waiting for?

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maleficent

I had a business ethics class back in the day, where every so often, the professor would say something or do something, just so gage what the reaction would be... It could be anything to making a crass remark to another student, to wandering in with his fly down, the best was the day he came in smelling of booze (he actually took a breathalyzer test at the end of class, and he wasn't drunk, he had sprayed himself with whiskey) to see how people would react... and to kind of test people. It was an interesting study in human behavior....

If he does object to your hair, or threatens to lower your grade because you didn't cut your hair, decide if this is a battle you want to fight, and make it a fair fight, no screaming, no name calling, no cussing, stand your ground, maintain your professionalism, and take it to a higher source..

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bad jane

to be honest, i'm kinda shocked everyone is saying don't cut your hair and the instructor was out of line...

when i was in college, this was standard stuff. a girl in my speech class flunked because she had a nose ring. she was told she'd have to remove it for her presentation, she decided not to. she flunked and the dean stood by the instructor. she was warned prior to the presentation what she'd have to do to be presentable and she neglected to do it. as far as the dean was concerned, she failed to prepare and appearance is part of giving a presentation.

dksuddeth

Sorry to leave you hanging for a day

Well I didn't get that job, but a short time later I got my first IT job at Intuit doing phone support. I've gone on from there and now i'm doing project engineering for capital one auto finance and I still have my long hair.....longer now even.

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denim

I was referring to the OP, actually. Thanks, though.

Mr Honest

If I was your tutor I'd hold you down and shave you dirty hair you hippy



Chill ! I jest

I work for a large capitalist bullshit company in the UK
but you can have long hair and no one minds

though it looks better on cute ladies and makes non cute ladies cuter

I had long hair from 12 - 19 but it's something you grow out of. One day you will wake up and think who gives a feck about stupid hair. It's meaningless.

but if my g/friend cuts her hair then I dump her. I've got standards

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Lasereth

Actually, FAFSA only covers half of my tuition. I pay the rest myself out of my own pocket working at two jobs. And as Redjake mentioned, it's not like it's permanent..as soon as we graduate the repayment begins. Not to mention we're both tax payers as well, so you acting like it's everyone else but us paying for our college isn't correct.

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Lasereth

Better than your analogy about how college students don't actually pay for their education.

-Lasereth

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