almostaugust

Yeah we sometimes joke about it, but its pretty fucked up if you ask me. Why do we just accept it as a given that if you go to jail your gonna get pumped by some horrible fucker? Maybe we think that if you go to jail then perhaps you kinda deserve it cause you did something wrong.
I sorta knew a guy once who did some time in jail. He got raped too! What the fuck is going on. Our jails shouldnt be like this, or is it not as rife as we are led to believe?

Incidently, any tfp's done time anywhere? Whats your take on this.

KinkyKiwi

i've thought about the same thing...but in terms of sympathy..i really have none..at least for violent offenders

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animosity

I think that it is a nice detorent for commiting crimes. I really dont care if a criminal gets raped. However, I do think that according to the constitution that it is something that should be stopped. Any one remember "no cruel and unusual punishment"?

avhg1

I've never done any time and hope I never will. I think it depends on where you end up. There are some jails, such as Camp Cupcake, that it doesn't happen. In general, violent offenders are put with other violent offenders and that type of stuff will happen. It is not openly allowed, but there are a lot of things that are not allowed that inmates do anyway. The only ones that I feel bad for are those that are wrongly there.

Carno

I know a few people who have done time in prison, and none of them were raped. They all told me that there is enough gays in prison now that it doesn't happen as often.

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StephenSa

Here's what gets me about it (beyond the obvious horror and violation). As I understand it, a lot of these bastards doing the raping are the same guys that beat up homosexuals, grew up calling people "faggot" and and if you were to imply they were in any way gay they would deny it and beat you to death. So why on earth would they want to shove their penis in some unfortunate guy, not to mention forcing others to "toss salad" ,give head, etc. You could put me in prison for 500 years and another mans hairy butt would never appeal to me. SO I don't think the being without women excuse holds water either. OK, rape is supposed to be about power or some such more than sex but you've got to get the penis up before you can do anything with it and if these guys are getting erect at the prospect of porking another guy I think there has to be some latent homosexual tendancies. If not, how and why does it happen?

KinkyKiwi

never thought of it that way stephensa. :/..hmm...i'm a girl and a guys hairy butt will never appeal to me ether...

maybe they think about women? or maybe its a dominance thing...maybe they just are aroused at the concept of hurting/abusing/dominating anyone..be it man or woman...?

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When it comes to prisoners being raped while in prison, I don't think it is a question of "they're getting what they deserve" versus "I have sympathy for them. This shouldn't happen". My issue is that prisoners should not run our penal system. If we want prisoners to be raped while in prison, we should legislate it and include it in sentencing. I am bothered whenever I hear the "they're getting what they deserve" argument. Why would we ever want criminals raping other criminals in prison? It doesn't sound very rehabilitative for the rapists or the victims of rape. Once they've served their sentences, they're back out on the street.

avhg1

I agree on the hairy butt comment for myself, but many of these guys doing the raping are in jail for the rest of their lives. I would think that being confined in a place with only other guys and know that you will never have another woman, would begin to warp your mind. So some of the settle for something rather than nothing forever. Not to mention, you have to be some what warped to end up in one of those places in the first place.

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My first thought was that those guys derserve it, but when u thin about it slowly, u can`t denie it is a sick thing and it should be stopped. People's integrity should be protected everywhere, and this things happening only shows one of two things: 1.-Not even at jail law inforcement officers can do their jobs right, or 2.- Law inforcement officers gives a shit about what happens in their noses. You can bet those rapers are not the best behaved guys in prison, and they must have a good quota of power in the big house, that's something you don't want to happen in a high security prison with violent prisoners.

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stonegrody

This is why I do everything I can to avoid breaking any major laws. I wouldn't last a day in prison. I spent time in a holding cell a few times when I was in my teens but never in an actual prison. I'm sure it happens quite a bit. It's either getting raped or savagely beaten. Prison is no picnic. Would people want to pay extra taxes to do something about this? My guess is that most people probably don't care.

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When you're locked up without so much as the sight of a woman for so long, even if you're heterosexual, anything warm and concave starts looking good.

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It happens.

Trust me.

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Supple Cow

I think the real concern should be the fact that the jail rapists don't exactly use condoms. I vaguely remember there being a 20/20 special on a guy who contracted AIDS in jail from being raped. If prisoners are raping each other and giving each other diseases, then there are going to be that many more people around to spread them once they've done their time.

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aberkok

I just finished reading the autobiography of Art Pepper, a jazz saxophonist who was prominent in the 50s, but spent a lot of time in jail. According to him, after so many years in the joint, man-on-man encounters were not even considered to really be homosexual activity. It was just a part of survival/sanity. Art was offered "service" once in the slammer and was told to just close his eyes and imagine it was a woman. He couldn't go through with it even though it would have meant increased privileges (such as extra cigarettes, better clothes).

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Lockjaw

I have a cousin in jail and according to him if you don't cross people you are very unlikely to get beaten up or raped. Not to say it doesn't happen but people have this misconception that if they go in they are going to get raped if they don't act hard so they go in and attempt to act all tough. The really hardened people see this they key in on them and make it their job to either take them down a peg or two by sexually assualting them or beating them up.

But as for saying we need to stop it. Yes we do but how do you do that exactly? If we can't keep controlled substances out of prison it would be kind of hard to totally eliminate rape considering we HAVE to have multiple person cells, we have to allow them some modicum of freedom of movement. The only way to stop it is to keep them chained in leg irons all day and night and that's "cruel" so it won't happen.

Zeraph

Rape is a power thing. That doesn't mean that they arn't sexually excited from it though. Heard of a pyromaniac? Well did you know that they get off on setting fires? They leave seamen at the scene of the crime, which is how they get convicted.

mo42

I think the American jail system is broken. These people are not going to get better, they're going to get worse. We need to stop this prison violence and violation, and rehabilitate these people. Otherwise, like people have said, they'll just get out on the street and commit crimes until they get caught again.

As for how to stop it, the prisoners need to be supervised better. Maybe hire more guards, add more cameras. something. It's not acceptable for this to happen.

And maybe more psychotherapy and job training. I dunno, I'd have to read studies on effectiveness of different techniques.

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aktornado

I don't think it happens as often as you'd think. It's a good scare tactic though. The more people are afraid of jail, the more likely they'll want to stay out of it.

viejo gringo

There is one guy in there that I hope is getting his right now----the SOB molested his 3 step-daughters, and knocked up the 12 year old...I held that baby the other day, and prayed that she would never know how she was concieved...all three (4) are togather in foster care at this time...and a good home..VG

aktornado

So here's a weird question...

If you were being raped in prison, would it be better to pretend like you like it? Maybe if you acted like you enjoy it, the guy will get grossed out and stop.

johnsimon885

I'm not sure it's really the kind of situation where they care what you think...if they were afraid of being gay, I'm not sure they'd be raping you in the first place. It seems like the kind of thinking you just don't do in a situation like that, especially since you're so far removed from all the normal roles we have in society to begin with.

monkeysugar

Right on the money.

The cold reality is that the prison system in general is sorely underfunded and overcrowded. Overcrowding leads to many things, including increased aggression levels in prisoners. As far as underfunding is considered, the prisons cannot hire as many corrections officers as they really need. When corrections officers are able to come across a situation such as a prisoner being raped, they are severely limited as to what they are able to do for both legal and personal protection reasons.

Unfortunately, our "rehabilitative" prison system is far from that, due to a lack of funding and lack of proven rehabilitative methods. There are lots of theories on what *should* be effective in decreasing recidivism, but unfortunately they have not really worked. Because of these problems along with many others, our prison system is not much more than a holding facility to keep convicted criminals out of sight and out of mind.

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Suave

Probably more anal sex at Club Med anyways.

Psycho Dad

When I was a kid, I remember flipping through the channels and coming across Scared Straight. A big con was up in some kid's face screaming "how would you like to wake up in the middle of the night with a big black dick up your ass". That made a hell of an impact on me. Not that I was a troubled kid headed for more trouble. I'm just saying that if more kids knew what jail held, perhaps they would pull their heads out and wipe their eyes.

irseg

That's exactly what I heard from some people I know. You're pretty safe because there's a big enough supply of gays to fulfill the butt-sex demand.

k925

Let's say you stole someone's car and robbed a bank after a drug deal went bad. Then the cops caught you because the trail of money from the ATM you stole lead them straight to your house.

Now you're in prison and, to make matters worse, your cell-mate, Bunny, pumps your ass all night.

The extra punishment doesn't fit the crime. Who deserves an ass-pumping (other than those violent sex offenders)?

A long time ago, the fate of a criminal would depend on scientific methods (though crude) for imprisonment or other forms of punishment, but perhaps we've since wandered a bit off course.

Not until sociologists, psychologists, and scientists play a more important role in the current sentencing/punishment/rehab aspects of the justice system will we ever have fair and effective treatment of criminals (with less non-consenting ass-rape). Despite obvious advantages, the road to such a system is nowhere near as straight, determined, and unwavering as your cell-mate's throbbing love-shaft.

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NoSoup

Wow, I hold what seems to be a very different viewpoint here. If women that were in prison were being raped-especially as frequently as men are - everyone would be up in arms. Not all people in prision are horrible people. Granted, some are monsters, but others are in prision for less monstrous crimes, like money laundering, breaking and entering, grand theft auto, ect.

Obviously, rape is horrible - and for men to be raped is just as damaging psychologically/emotionally/physically as it would be for a woman to be raped.

Unless being raped is sentances, which I believe would fall under cruel and unusual punishment, it should not happen to anyone - male or female, prisoner or not.

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Squishor

I've done time in jail, but I'm female...but my boyfriend also did, and he never got raped. Let me point out that there's a significant difference between "jail," generally a county facility, and "prison," which is state or federal. I think there is a lot more of this sort of thing happening in prison than in jail. In jails, you're more likely to get beat up, have your commissary stolen or be coerced into trading your mystery-meat sandwich for an apple, be threatened by people of a different color than yourself, or get gang tags drawn on your ass while you're asleep. In prison, rapes happen more often, although as far as I know not as often as the myth would have it.

I'm appalled at those of you who are self-righteous enough to say "they deserve it if they're in jail." Do you really have so little compassion? Who do you think you are? Don't you realize how easy it is for any one of us to end up in jail at least for a day or two? You can get in a car accident and end up in jail. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time and end up in jail. Do you obey every law 100% of the time? Hell, you're probably breaking one right now!

wannabenakid247

That would be fine, Id be in a womens prison lol!

Squishor

Most of the women I was locked up with were scraped out of some ditch. Haggard, ugly, scarred, nasty foulmouthed bitches. Seen "Monster"? Sorry to disappoint.

Stug

I had a friend who got caught dealing grass out in Antigua, both him and his mate were teenagers at the time with long, blonde hair that was typical of the sort of skater crowd they were in. I can't begin to imagine how they were viewed or treated in prison, I saw the guy a few years later and apart from a slight speech impediment which caused him to say: "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Nah!" when trying just to say "yes", and the fact that he would no longer meet my gaze. He appeared relatively o.k!

I didn't have the heart to ask him any tough questions, I just hope he managed to look after himself the best he could in there...

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KinkyKiwi

..i'm sorry but that just made me laugh for like 10 minutes not dissagreeing or anything..just ...wow whatta way to put it lol...i cant help feeling that some people do deserve it..i was raped myself and i have to admit i wish the creep was in jail having his ass ripped open...but yea if all you did was like steal a car..then it shouldnt happen...but seriously..if it was a voilent crime then maybe its the actal punishment part of jail..since alot of offenders came from very low class areas..wouldnt jail be sorta like ..nice? warm, roof over your head, food, a soft bed ect...? i dont want my tax money to be going toward keeping some fucktart warm and happy in his cell..

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KinkyKiwi

oh i wasnt raped in jail btw..never been in jail...hopefully never will be..lol i think twice before jaywalking..then give myself a guilt trip later

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Suave

That sucks Kiwi. Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone's opinions here, but I'd like to point out that prison, while originally created as a form of punishment, has had its role altered. It is now considered to be a facility for resocialization, and is supposedly focused on creating productive members of society upon their release, rather than punishing them for what they've done; the warm, roof over their head, food, a "soft" bed, etc. stuff does not necessarily interfere with this role.

raeanna74

To my knowledge I have not had much contact with hardened criminals. I have not heard it "from the horses mouth" that there's much sodomizing going on within the penal system. I know it's not right by my tendency is to be disbelieving of this really being a rampant problem in the system. I imagine most of the general population has a somewhat similar response. They haven't heard it from and experienced or authoritative source so they would rather pretend that it's only a "urban legend" and go on with their lives.

My gut response is that if the criminal is a sexual offender I would allow another criminal to give him the same kind of treatment he gave. Otherwise I see it as just plain wrong. I would imagine that in some cases the prison authorities look the other way for several reasons. 1. Why SAVE a criminal from "punishment"? They ASKED for it. (I imagine some prison guards may adopt his kind of mentality when they must deal with these people on a daily basis.) 2. If the guards were to step into a situation they are possibly just delaying the inevitable since the situation will probably arise once again with that same individual that they protected because then they are "teacher's pet" so to speak. What did anyone ever think of the teacher's pet? They hated them usually. 3. Why would the guards endager themselves to protect a "criminal".

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sapiens

I disagree with this entirely, but not out of sympathy for the criminal/rape victim. We shouldn't allow any criminal to rape any other criminal because criminals should not be allowed to be rapists.

You're absolutely right. That's why criminals should not be allowed to do what they please while in prison (includng raping others).

clavus

Yup. Just because you are in jail does not mean that you did something wrong. You can spend months in jail waiting for your chance to prove your innocence in court.

"We find the defendant not guilty...sorry about that butt-full of semen. I guess you didn't deserve that after all. Rest assured that your new case of hepetitis can be controlled and you may not actually have AIDS. But get tested every 6 months, OK?"

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