Jesus Pimp

Gah I just watched American History X for the first time. Great movie but damn.

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Strange Famous

I know a couple of people who've been in prison, and nothing like that happened to them. My uncle has been inside a couple of times, and he said that the only thing about it is how bored you get and how trapped and claustrophobic it gets... he said there were some people who had homosexual relationships, but not really any rape.

Perhaps it is different in the states, I dunno?

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almostaugust

yeah, rape can definately be a power thing. As much as i dont care about what happens too much to really bad criminals, i dont like the idea of our prisons just being like satan's torture room.

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mattgical

seriously, if I was in prison and I saw a bunch of rapes going on, I'm NOT WIPING MY ASS AFTER I TAKE A DUMP.

lets see how sick and dirty these guys are if they want to pump my dirty, crusty hole.

f6twister

I have a friend who works in one the state prisons where I live. He has told me stories of catching guys "in the act" or in another case, finding someone carrying a jar of Vaseline looking for a friend. He told me that the biggest problem is that once it has happened, the victim is usually either too frightened or embarrassed to say anything so the actor is left to continue his ways. Once they find out about it, the person is either held in solitary or sent to an area which is monitored closer. In other words, if it happens, say something.

Harshaw

I hear the trick is, kick someone's ass the first day or become someone's bitch. Then everything will be alright.

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Lockjaw

You'd be terriblely wrong.

Let me run it down for you the way my cousin told me.

1) You pick a fight. You don't know WHO that guy is or who he's connected to. So let's say you pick a fight with a guy who is a lifer. He gets to kick your butt since you started ish with him and likely the guards won't do much to stop it since you started it up. But let's say you do this and you win.
The likelyhood of you jumping somebody that belongs to a set is VERY VERY high. You not only just made an enemy with THAT guy which is stupid to begin with as he'll be itching to get you back unless you kill him as you just made him look like a bitch, but you also just made the enemy list of every guy in his set. And it'll be that much worse if you attack somebody not of your race. Which means you are fucked because there is no way you'll live after that if you make the enemy of a large prison gang if you are by yourself. So that means joining a gang yourself to have them watch your back. If you are lucky they will accept you but that now means you are their property until you get out of prison and in many cases even after you are out. But that also means if they tell you to shiv somebody...you've got to do it. If they tell you to gang rape somebody...you've got to do it or else you are now marked by two groups of people and nobody else is going to touch you.

So as you can see the movie stereotype of come in like a hardass and you'll be ok is a lot of crap and likely will get you beaten horriblely or killed in the long run.

Just be respectful of other people and their property. Accept no favors from anybody as there is no FREE favor. Keep to your own race(sucks but it's true), and keep your eyes and mouth shut. You didn't see anything you didn't hear anything. And if at all possible if you remotely have any religious bone in your body getting in tight with the religious people as prisoners will be less likely to screw with one of the "model prisoners" as that will likely get the guards on their asses for no reason.

Harshaw

I was paraphrasing office space.

But I will keep your advice in mind.

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psyday

That made me lol.

I agree with what someone said earlier, the guards and the government should be running the prisons, not the prisoners.

Squishor

Lockjaw has it right. You can't walk in and act like you're going to be running the place unless you've already earned some respect somehow. And you have to remember that when people are locked up, their world gets really small, so little things (like sitting in someone's chair) count for a lot. It's much better to lay low and get a feel for who's who first, and show them some courtesy.

This worked for me for about six months until I unfortunately got picked on by a Mexican woman and had to stand up for myself...the outcome was that I ended up having to associate myself with this awful white supremacist chick (I'm white), as much as I disagreed with her whole trip and disliked her personally, I needed the protection and it was better than having all 30 of the Mexicans in the place making my life a living hell. It didn't help that I was friends with the two black women in the place (there were only two of them), and it didn't help that I'm a free-thinking liberal, unbiased type. When you're in their world you have to play by their rules pretty much - it's adapt or lose, that simple. It's exactly like Lockjaw said, I ended up having to join a group I didn't really want to because nobody else was going to watch my back. The women, of course, aren't big on the whole ass-raping thing but they will do plenty of other things to mess with you if they take a dislike to you.

smooth

Lockjaw's got it spot on.


and I only saw one person get raped--someone who shook his baby to death while he was angry.

Most weren't comfortable with what was going on, but fucking with the situation would have sparked some nasty race shit.


My understanding is more raping happens in the women's pen than ours, maybe squisher can confirm.

oh, and btw, squishor, penitentaries were originally not forms of punishment, but places of confinement while the prisoner got right with his soul (not least of all because he was about to be killed).

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Squishor

That must be why they call them penitentaries, huh?

I was never in prison, but spent a fair amount of time in county jail. I only heard of one rape having occurred - just a story someone told. And I was talking to a lot of the parolees, too, since I thought I'd be going there. But who knows, maybe it does happen more than I know - I'm no expert.

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AfterBurn

Interesting thread. I personally think that being sent to prison is punishment enough and the rapes are totally unneccessary even if the person is a monster freak.

So, Squishor, what's it like in womens jail, is anyone there ever hot? What kind of weird stuff have you witnessed? I'm just wondering.

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Squishor

I'd say the percentage of "hot" was about 5% or maybe 10% to be generous. Except in the summer when everybody was hot, since of course there's no AC.

I only ever saw the inside of one little county jail in my medium-sized town, so like I said, I'm no big expert. But it's mostly like being locked in a big cement room with a really high ceiling and no windows with a bunch of sweating, cursing, scarred-up, nasty drug addicts who want to steal your stuff, listening to really loud rap music echo off the walls. The other times, it's like being locked inside a much smaller cement room with one other smelly, nasty, scarred-up drug addict who won't stop talking about her sad life story. Oh, and a metal toilet, where you would like to flush your cellmate's head. Then, if you're lucky, you go to minimum security, where you either sit in complete bordom while the ladies watch tv and talk about each other and their sugar daddies, or you work like a dog in the kitchen slopping slop. Those days are the best, of course, because they go faster. I don't think there's any need to add rape to the day's activities.

Blackthorn

I can't tell you how many times I've avoided criminal behavior and subsequently NEVER found myself facing or actually doing time in prison. The fact that men are raped there is not appealing to me. The consequences of prison should not include that however the fact that it does should provide just one more reason to avoid criminal, malcontent, socially deviant, thuggery behaviors that could potentially land you there.

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soloist124

i've always thought that it was just something that you hear in the movies or stories and that it is never true, how can you get raped in front of a official? i know they problaly don't care or anything but it's just wrong.

Lockjaw

It's true. Not crazy wide spread like some would have you believe but it does happen. Just like you can get shanked, or somebody can put a hit on you.
As far as getting raped in front of a guard...one of two things...
1) The guards don't care.

2) The guards aren't going to be ever present.

MSD

Just for clarification, Jail is where you go until your trail.. Prison is where you go when the trial is over.

smooth

Not exactly.

Jail is used to house misdemeanor convictees, (usually < 1 year; although some unlucky sop might get a sentence of multiple sentences run consecutively)

prison is used to house felony convictees (usually > 1 year; although parole violators may get less)

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disgruntled

Sapiens, i couldnt agree with you more! The people legislate the system and should have complete control over it, regardless of what crime the criminal has commited. It is a breach their constitutional rights and that is that!

Psycho Dad

I think a lot of people are confusing something that happens in prison to the punishment. Ass raping is not part of the sentence. The judge may sentence a violator to 10 years, but Bunny the Fister brings the ass attention. Eliminating it would require totally isolating prisoners and private cells. Both not very practical ideas. As it is, the ass pounding should serve as a deterrent.

Stompy

It's a stereotype, it doesn't happen as much as the popular TV/Movies would lead you to believe.

I personally know someone in prison and he said that type of shit doesn't happen and everyone is cool with each other for the most part. Occasionally you get someone who thinks they're tough shit, but usually they get put in their place. Even when he was in Wayne County (jail in downtown Detroit) while awaiting trial, he said it wasn't bad.

It's no PARADISE, but it's not like they make it out to be in movies/tv.

But for the most part, if you're cool w/ them, they're cool with you.

My girlfriend knows someone in a pretty tough prison down in PA, and while that place can get rough, no one participates in the butt fucking.

Personally, if I was in prison, I would refrain from wiping after going numero dos. No one in their right mind would want to penetrate a layer of shit just for a few moments of fun

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Sargeman

I didn't take the time to read all the posts. But here are some of my observations.

I worked as a corrections officer in Louisiana at Elayn Hunt Correctional Center as well as did my training at Louisiana State Penetentiary.

1) Contrary to popular belief in movies, the inmates DO NOT run the prisons. However, many officers do or feel they need to get a little "help" from some inmates. I worked in a dorm where you had two officers equiped with one beeper/one way-radio to 130+inmates. Unless the officer was doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing it was virtually impossible for an inmate to rape another one. Now consensual sex between a punk and his man is something different. As soon as they would be identified, many times by the inmates themselves, they would be separated.

2) Most inmates are not looking to rape or get raped. It is very few, normally ones that become problem inmates to other inmates or inmates that are very very weak. Normally, inmates take care of them by kicking their ass as opposed to fucking them in the ass. However, corrections officers can prevent it by just simply making their rounds or being alert.

3) Most prisons have protective cells where certain inmates can request to go into or they can make it so they get placed in there. Such as inmates that cause problems to other inmates or the staff.

It is not a given that you will get raped when you go into prison. From my experience, you just about have to be asking for it and I don't mean walking around asking someone to rape you.

All that being said there are exceptions to every rule.

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Bustello

Getting raped is part of your sentence. It's just something unavoidable when you kill somebody and have to live in prison for a couple of years. I mean, do you really think that this is only going to jail and stay there? it's not a vacation you know...

And I believe that when you're a big offender, I mean, a rapist, a bank robber or a murderer then you go to the most dangerous jails, and if you are not such a criminal (ie, when you don't pay your taxes) then you go to a more secure jail and you save your ass.

I guess...

Stompy

Getting raped is not part of the punishment/sentence. That's a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

Regardless of how you personally feel about criminals, even one who, say, killed and raped a helpless old lady, it is illegal to knowingly give someone a cruel or unusual punishment. It's illegal for the guards or any correctional officer to knowingly allow this to happen.

As much as you'd like it to be, the system isn't "eye for an eye" because even though they're a criminal and aren't fit to live in society, that doesn't make them exempt from the 8th amendment.

Getting anally raped is considered torture and humiliation.

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KinkyKiwi

but dont some people deserve it? i mean there are people who have raped and killed their own children...dont they deserve it? i know i'm not the most open minded person...but i really think that not only is the sexual violence a deterrent but in some cases even deserved.

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Squishor

Still not exactly.

There are plenty of people in jail serving sentences for felony convictions.

Lockjaw

The guards aren't doing the raping and if they can stop it they will but as I said guards can not be ever present at all times just not going to happen.

In the book of karma the true slime deserve it just like embezlers deserve a nice beat down, but I don't think anybody is advocating rape rooms for our prisons. You stop what you can and to be honest getting raped isn't the worst thing going on in the prison system.

disgruntled

Kinky Kiwi: Who are we to decide who deserves the punishment of rape? In my eyes the main function of a prison is to keep the public safe, and thus we are forced to determine how long someone must be locked away. But as far as cruel and unusual punishment goes i think rape is towards the top of the list and isn't exactly the best way to help a prisoner reform. I would much rather see someone who has commited a crime become a beneficial part of society and a reformed person, then see them be punished and locked away for the rest of their lives.

And if you're religous (christian), or just a reminder of a generally accepted moral... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Stompy

Using that logic, then who's to say that people who've been killed/raped by these criminals didn't deserve it?

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vermin

If you can find the key to rehabilitating prisoners you will be a very rich person. Different methods have been tried for years and years and the sucess rate has been pitiful.

Sure, just raise taxes. Why should all my hard work go to feed my family when I could use more of my paycheck to keep criminals better supervised.

The death penalty is very effective. Or could be with a few revisions to a few laws. Why keep a monster alive for so long when all he's ever going to do is make life tough on other people (guards/prisoners sentenced to less-than-life terms).

I don't mean to pick on mo42 specifically, but there are a lot of problems in this country and in the rest of the world. How criminals are treated in prison is WAY down on my list of things to fix.

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stbeston

the ethical route: for every x persons imprisoned, y is innocent. for every x persons raped in prison, y is innocent.
even heartless fucks who think poor people guilty of holding up a convenience store for food deserve to be humiliated in the already unfair and unbalanced and unchecked prison system in america surely don't think the many innocent people that are surely deprived, fuck this sentence...
the prison system in the us is the single most disgraceful aspect of our society and will live in infamy long after the united states gasp "rosebud"

Ishmal

as far as i've heard. they don't consider themselves gay. its the person they rape that is called gay... go figure!

but, i have no sympathy 4 crims that get raped.

Ishmal

[QUOTE=vermin]
The death penalty is very effective. Or could be with a few revisions to a few laws. Why keep a monster alive for so long when all he's ever going to do is make life tough on other people (guards/prisoners sentenced to less-than-life terms).


i like this guys attitude.

GO VERMIN!!

Painted

Sorry to revive this ol' thread.

I've been sent to jail before..Didnt get raped but did get quite a beating. One thing I've noticed is that as soon as I was arrested til this very day I feel extremely sorry for what I did, and I would never ever do it again. Is it right to send someone to jail and be raped while they feel regret and sorrow for their crime?

I feel that yes, my imprisonment was punishment. I'll never do a crime again, but now I feel a cut that cant be healed is inside me. There must be better ways to punish/rehab our criminals.

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gh0ti

I’ve been in the system 14.5 months (still have 8 to go ;-) hurry up August!!!). I didn’t end up going to prison, I was allowed to go into a work release program at a local jail. I work all day, go in at night. I was lucky, I kept my career as a software developer, I didn’t get a conviction, I learned a valuable lesson – greed won’t get you anywhere. I did a few weeks full time before they let me go back to work, you get by. Just keep to yourself, mind your own business and read a lot – learn something if you can. The worst part of my situation was waiting on my final court date to figure out what was going to happen to me. I was looking at 15 years in prison. I didn’t know until the final moment what was going to happen. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through.

Comments like “criminals deserve it” really piss me off. Really, really piss me off. In my mind, a criminal is someone who causes harm to someone (theft, physical abuse, rape, etc). Just because you’re in the system does not make you a criminal deserving of any sort of physical abuse. Now a days people get locked up for being at the wrong place at the wrong time every day. Laws have been made to turn the system into a money maker for communities to generate revenue. People get setup and put into situations they normally wouldn’t be in for some cop to make a name for himself.

I’ve never seen any sort of sexual abuse happen – thankfully - but it’s a fact of life in and out of prison. In a lot of ways our fabulous media sensationalize the misfortune of individuals to generate ad revenue. Shows like Oz make it seem like it’s an everyday occurrence – its not. From what some of the other inmates say, prison isn’t too much different then jail, it’s just on a much larger scale (and it’s hard as hell to get work release ;-)).

Just remember:

Drive drunk? get in a bad wreak where someone gets hurt? You might end in jail/prison.
Sell drugs in college? Get busted? You might end up in jail/prison.
Do drugs? Get busted with the wrong amount on your way back from the dope mans? You might end up in jail/prison.

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gh0ti

pretty much sums it up

Our jail has other "Trusty" jobs besides the kitchen crew. You can do laundry all day, clean the shit at the dog pound, work the jail maintenance crew, sort recycling goods at the land fill, and the ever popular "road crew" (where most people start off).

Road crew - you get to walk up and down the sides of the local roads picking up trash in black and white stripes for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I did that for a month. One time a local homeless vet died, he didn’t have any family or anything, so the road crew had to dig a grave and bury the poor soul. You really, really, really think about why your in jail, what you did to get in your situation, and what you can do to NEVER GET BACK IN F'N stripes again. You do get nice sack lunches for you 20 minute lunch break - 3 slices of <b>government</b> bologna *shiver* on 2 slices of stale bread and maybe a moldy apple or orange.

Manual labor is IMHO the best crime deterrent imaginable.

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martinguerre

if rape is a just punishment, then why leave it to the prisoners to inflict?

would you rape someone to try to punish them or to restore social order?

i should hope not.

Oh, and recall how more juviniles are charged as adults? Think about that:

http://www.spr.org/

That people are willing to accept a criminal justice system whose terror is maintained with institutionalized sexual abuse...terrifies me.

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roderickpsu

I think this happens more in federal prisons than in county jails...I have several friends that spent a significant amount of time < 1 year in county jail and they didn't see any of this...it's when you get into prison that people get desperate because they will be in there for decades.

pinoychink790

sounds like bad news if you ask me