The_Dude

I think so, they just put up a "cover" so that nobody will think anything bad about them, also to avoid a "slut" image.

Anyway, that's what i think. guys dont really care if other people think we're perverted, i just say stuff not thinking about how people think of me.

anyway, what's your view on this.

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billege

Yes. I can't tell you have suprised I have been to hear the "girl talk." Holy crap!!

It's all a front. We teach girls to be prim and proper, and they've figured it out. No suprise here.

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raeanna74

I think partly we are more open talking about sex and such things with each other than men (though I can't be sure) because we don't have something to visibly compare. Granted boobs are different sizes but I don't think that it matters as much to us as size matters to men. We do talk about sex but we talk about RELATIONSHIPS just as much. I don't know for sure about men but the impression I get from men is that relationships don't matter unless it means the guy gets sex. If you mean by being perverted we talk about sex in more crude terms and about men the same way then I would say that we probably talk about it the same as men do but we aren't allowed in a way to talk about it as publicly or we'll get labled. If men talk about it crudely it just gets chalked up to testosterone. I'd say we're about equal.

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clavus

equal

I've known total perverts and frightened prudes of both genders.

I would have to say that generally women are more open to trying new things than men are.

(I give this thread about five minutes before its derailed into the whole "does enjoying anal stimulation mean you are gay" argument)

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fearofmear

In general, yes. I think women are more open to new sexual experiences then men, which doesn't equate to perversion. I do think women generally know what they like sexually more then guys which can be construed as perversion if it is kinky.

krwlz

ive heard some of the raunchiest jokes ever...and most of em came out f a females mouth

rogue49

I was just saying to a lady friend of mine today,
that I suspect that there are more "male" virgins today, than "female" virgins.
She started to protest, and then she sighed and said that I was probably right
and ironically said that "Yep, there are a lot of sluts out there."

Well, that's when I protested…How a woman who is sexual, a "slut"?
This was the point I was getting at.
It really doesn't matter, if a FEMALE is more sexually experienced than a man.
Society has affected the viewpoints of both women & men,
making them think...men sleeping around is not so bad, and women sleeping around is very bad.
This shouldn't be true.
I've had ladies who have slept with me fairly fast, protesting that they don't do this ever…it's just not something they do...

Well, I don't care. I don't care if they've slept around all over the place, it's frankly none of my business,
Just like it's not theirs, how many women I've slept with.
I would PREFER that a woman have experience and feel comfortable with her desires and sexuality.
The men who feel differently are being selfish; they only want someone for themselves, "only them" EVER.
Well, isn't that just a little ego-centric.

And many women have also fed into this idea, that only a "proper" woman doesn't sleep around...Who gives a shit?
They are adult, it's their body and as long as they are responsible then it should be cool.

The reason I made the statement to my friend is...society has set up a pattern,
where for the most part the man has to be the aggressor.
(how many times have you heard women say they just couldn't call a man, they just wouldn't feel comfortable).
Well, unfortunately, this leaves us having to be the initiator and waiting on the approval of the female.
Now when we are young, most males don't have a lot to offer, other than their wit & charm, and even then it’s not refined.
The "nice guy" doesn't know how to approach girls, only "bad boys" do,
and girls are looking to rebel a bit anyway, (Why? Because the “bad boy” is cool, they are a challenge, they are strong)
so the "bad boy" gets what he wants, and then he doesn't care, and then he's on to another. (Why? because he can.)

Females are the one approached, and then let when they “feel” ready, they allow it (or are forced, but that’s a whole other issue). Males, at least the good ones, have to wait until they figure out how to approach women, how to seduce a woman or at least convince her into intimacy, until they are allowed to have initmacy.

This pattern sets up a situation where there are many more female that are not virgins, and more males are.
At least in the early years of adulthood.
It all pretty much evens out after awhile as girls start getting their heads on straight,
and boys start gaining confidence and some background, something to offer.

Of course, this is all reverse in “viewpoints”, males just can NOT be virgins…this slights their manhood…
females HAVE TO be the virgins last…this enhances their feminity.
And the ones who will admit the truth, well that’s the exception more than the rule.
From what I’ve seen and heard of the ACTUAL truth…mostly females lose their virginity BEFORE males.

Now...is this right or wrong? No, neither...it's a statement of truth.
This is how society works, not illusions of "properness" or "adequacy", but the actual dynamics.

I'm hoping for a future, where women take some initiative, and are not scared of their sexuality.
And where men are not put off by "experienced" women, and are not selfish enough to think they are the "only" man.
Are where both men & women are not looking down their noses at people who've have had some fun in the past.

All it is...is sex. period.
No one is wrong, no one is right, it's just all fun.
Who cares who is more “perverted” or “experienced”?
And if they are, then dammit, LEARN something from them.

Now, if we can just really work on people saying what they mean.
And understand the consequences of their words.
We could all have a much better time here on Earth.

/end of rant

MSD

I know more females with warped minds than males. I hear more sexual chat from women than from guys. I like it that way.

cheerios

so wait... if you talk about sex as a girl, you're a pervert and have a warped mind? What's wrong with being sexually open and... wait for it... normal! sheesh! I want someone, just once, to say "having sex with multiple partners, or non-traditional sex, does NOT make you perverted"

really, before you ask this question, you have to ask another. what is perverted?
so, now anyone talking about sex as a female is bad, debased, and improper? sheesh, people. this is ridiculous! Damn society...

*Nikki*

I have never been sexually repressed in any way.

I make it clear what I want and how I want it.
I choose to sleep with a man right away, wait a week, wait a month or longer. It depends on my feelings for the person.

I choose to talk about sex in a very frank manner and I choose to express my sexuality very openly.

This is how I am.

I don't try and hide it and if you label me I will kick your ass

warrrreagl

What blows me away, I mean completely stuns me, is that women sure do seem to enjoy sex a whole lot more than I do, but they seem to be able to take it or leave it!

My God, if I could enjoy sex any better than I already do, I'd be like a lab rat on cocaine.

How do the ladies remain so non chalant about it?

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cheerios

warrreagl: i think it's a natural balance. REALLY good orgasms + lower sex-drives to make sure we don't wear ourselves out Also, for women there's often an emotional bond with someone you have sex with, so we're a lot more careful about WHO we sleep with, and when.

Slims

No, just no.
I think girls do have a healthy interest in sex, and can be quite perverted, but by and large, guys take the cake.

We think about sex all the time, and all the different manifestations of it. Girls certainly think about sex, but I don't think they can compete with the average guys as far as their obsession with sex goes.

I think guys tend to make this great fantasy of what sex 'could' be to them, while the reality is quite different. So they continue to fantasize and perversions are born.

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Cynthetiq

when I was single I used to hang out with girls that were raunchier than any guy I knew. Some of them would come over pop some porn into the VCR and sit and watch unitl it was time for us to go to whatever.

There's plenty of people out there who are prude and sexually expressive on both sides.

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suviko

There's "perverted" personas in both genders, but it boils donw to what is accepted by the community. Porn imagery has spread to advertisements and pop culture and it makes it more accectable for females to act "pervertedly" in the long run. The sexual revolution is going so fast now that women have actually gone over men. We can play butch or femme or slut or diva or experiment with lesbian/bisexual identityes while men can't do that or they are automatically labelled gay! IMO that's not right, but it's men who have to get active and cry out for their rights. It's ultimately other men who are homofobic and aganist men's liberation.

cheerios:

I have always figured men have better orgasms (that one is massive, while women can have multiple smaller ones), and that women have monstrous sex drive between 20 to 30 when men are horniest from 15 to 25.

gov135

I'm not sure perverted is the right word.

Women actually hit there sexual peak after men do, and in many cases 35 year-old women have higher sex drives than 35 year-old men. I think women have healthier sexual urges than men, maybe that makes them less perverted.

In my experience, though, I've never met a woman who can match my desire to have sex, but women seem to enjoy it just as much.

Not sure you are gonna get a solid answer on this one, Dude. I think people, along with their sexual urges, are all different.

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Minx

I agree with gov in that perverted is not the right word here.
As far as sexual drive...I believe women and men are equal, the difference being that women aren't supposed to be as open about their desires than men. It goes back to that idea that a man that fools around a lot is a "romeo" while a women that does it is a slut. Bull crap. As I've said before in a different thread we (men and women) are the same as far as sex interest, drives and desires go. Just because a woman is not afraid to initiate something or to say that she is horny doesn't make her perverted.....rather the opposite I would say. That is a normal, natural thing and we should be able to voice our wants just as a man would. Do men think about sex more often....I would think so but that doesn't make them perverted either in my mind.

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snowace56

Some girls are...they have the ability to be super horny or shut it off to make man suffer...

vveronica

we are just a perverted as men. we hide it because if we reveal our fantasy to a guy (which we may or may not want to realize) then the guy thinks WoooHooo she wants me to do it or oh is she a twisted slut. It helps guys egos to let them think they convinced us... heheheheheh

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petergriffin24

not around us unfortuantely but you get a group of good girl friends together and you sure hear some of the stuff they talk about I only know because my current girlfriend has told me a lot of what she says to her friends and it is shocking.

Guys are more like "you do her?" Yup and twice!!

But girls are much more into the setup and the details and the specifics.

Sledge

Not my girl. :/

Hard to generalize...

ninety09

I know a lot of asian girls that are like that.. They look so shy and innocent, but once you get to know them, they're totally different and very kinky : P

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Human behavior, especially in this area, is a complex equation composed of genetics, environment and experience. It is foolish to think it can be classified by gender. Each person will develop his or her own predilections according to the variables listed above. It is certainly easier to think in black and white but rarely accurate.
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GH, I love you. Be mine.

vermin

Why would you want to be lied to?

Both of your senarios (multiple partner and non-traditional sex) easily fit #1 and #3 if your definition of "right, proper, or good" coincide with the traditional christian, jewish, and moslem view of morality. Don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think that's a large majority of the people on the planet.

As for #2: monogamous people don't spread syphillis, crabs, etc. which seems worse than not having these things.

Maybe you're uncomfortable with the word "perverted", but if the word fits on a planet-wide comparison basis, then you really have no reason to complain.

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jerseyboy

This past spring I spent 10 days travelling with 3 girls, and was the only guy with them for the most part. Needless to say the girls talked pretty much as if I wasnt there, and the results were shocking. For three girls who are pretty normal if not quiet girls, the things that came out of their mouths when they were together and no guys (or myself) were around was shocking. Not only was the topic of conversation exclusively sex but the details were excruciating, and they were very critical. I basically know every partner these girls have had and every places they've done it and in what positions. I think the funniest conversation was the spit swallow one where the most promiscuous girl was like I dont even want that thing shooting near me whereas the most "prudish" girl was like if it is in my mouth why not just swallow, it is easier.
I'm kinda intimidated right now to even be with a girl, out of fear that all her girlfriends will know our deepest darkest secrets. I dont need a whole group of girls just sitting around chatting about my inadequacies.

supafly

I thiks women are equaly perverted as men. Men just care less.

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WhoaitsZ

i'm throwing my $.02 in really quick and taking off to another thread. from my experience us males are really no more or less perverted.

however, three girls i've been with have been exceptionally horny. one is nothing shortt of a sex guzzler.


the word 'slut' should be erased from language.

god knows if i had lot of women around me i'd do as many as i could. if a girl does it , good for her. calling someone a deginerative name for liking sex is juvenile at best.

gummby

I can't speak for the majority, but I know as for myself, when it comes to "perverted" thoughts...I can keep up with my husband. He has never complained about the fact, so I make no effort to hide it. I have no problem talking about sex and the like in a social environment or in mixed company, if the situation is apropriate. People seem to like that honesty.

I also agree that the word slut should be erased from the english language. Most of the girls that I've known that would be considered "sluts" usually were just having sex for the wrong reasons and needed some serious help.

sexymama

Over the years I have noticed that my girlfriends that are healthy emotionally, spiritually, and sexually are the friends that share about their sexuality. We are extremely open with one another -- sharing thoughts, ideas, experiences, and fantasies. I do not think that is preverted in the way you mean! I am grateful for these relationships as they let me know that I am "okay." With the shift in society from the way woman were viewed in the past, to the way we are viewed today, this kind of mutual support is needed.

I still remember my mother telling me that sex is "something that must be tolerated" and talking about how my father wanted her to do some really preverted things such as "kiss him, well, you know where." Through our open, "perverted" conversations, my girlfriends (and Lebell) have helped me learn to accept and embrace my sexuality. I am thankful for all the perveted, slutty woman (and men) of the world!

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I always end up with the prudes

sub zero

actually, no not really

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OFKU0

I like ham and cheese sandwiches. Sometimes I like ham,cheese and lettuce sandwiches. Sometimes I like these sandwiches with butter,other times mustard,sometimes both. Do you think perverted girls think like this?

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Generally, No

OFKU0

I think they do.

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ForgottenKnight

I'd have to say that both men and women are the same. There are some of each that are to both extremes with most in the middle somewhere.

I do have to agree with rogue49 in how society works. I'd hope that there are about the same number of male virgins as female virgins, but with how many guys wouldn't say "no" to sex with a girl they thought was attractive, it seems that it's much easier for a female to get some in society. It's just how society apears to work.

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jbrooks544

Most guys I know are light years more perverted than most girls I know. Hands down. I think women would be really scared of us if they had even a small inkling of how truely depraved many of us are.

/shudders

wry1

If by "perverted" you mean possessing the sick sense of humor or the twisted ( some say "sprained" ) mind which is usually the root cause of most juvenile or blatantly-sexual humor and innuendo.....then I'd say that both men and women are about even.

Men tend to have a low to moderate level of degenerate humor or innuendo operating pretty much all the time.

Women do too....but they have an internal "mute" button which allows them to keep from saying most of the truly warped stuff which would cause so many eyebrows to arch and/or jaws to drop.

macmanmike6100

YES! they just hide it better