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Mad_Gecko · 12-05-2003, 04:37 PM

Hi all,

I just had a can of ass whoopin' laid on me. (claret and all) I wanted to get a cab home 4 us.. My bad :-)

My ? is? Should I forget it and take up Karate, or should I be myself and keep training to be who I wanna be.

PS: I am not naturally violent.

PPS: I can't spell

Halx · 12-05-2003, 04:50 PM

I think this post would be better served as an anecdote instead of a request for advice. I think I speak for everyone when I say I wanna know the bloody, gory details of how you got into the fight and how much of a painful experience it was.

GakFace · 12-05-2003, 04:52 PM

[edit] And apparently, Hal forgot about me.. heh I think..... Differently

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Martial Arts is not to pick fights. Yes I realize that you don't want it but to defend yourself, and any other martial artist would agree with me on this. Personally, when I first when to a martial arts cool, I felt VERY weird. Just a "How the hell am I going to fit in" kinda feeling. If you can find a school that is affordable (and a good intro deal to test it out), I really would say to try it out. If you get a good school its incredibly fun all the while feeling more confident if something like that should arise.

I don't know you personally so I don't what you're trainng to be. I still think its great stuff to know. I myself am a very passive person. I would do anything I could to not fight, but if push comes to shove.. sometimes you simply cannot avoid having to defend your own. Such as the case you have just been in, sadly enough.

I'm not entirely sure by saying forgoe the karate and continue being who you want to be. I don't think Martial Arts will really change you. If it WERE to change you, it wouldn't be in a negative way. Again when you learn martial arts, the one thing you do know is that you don't use what you know to hurt others. A true martial artist would try to resolve the issue without the violence. This sounds like you if you say you're rather passive at heart.

If you're interested in taking Martial Arts, you should post it somewhere here on TFP and also search it out. There is more than just Karate. I, myself, have trained in Tae Kwon Do. (and a few other things.. my Instructor liked to mix many things into his teachings) There are many different styles and there may be a type that suits you best.

Averett · 12-05-2003, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
I think this post would be better served as an anecdote instead of a request for advice. I think I speak for everyone when I say I wanna know the bloody, gory details of how you got into the fight and how much of a painful experience it was.

Yeah, I wanna know what happened!

Oh, and I hope you're okay

Mad_Gecko · 12-05-2003, 05:00 PM

Well,

EOS. Thanks TFP. Had a good time.

Halx · 12-05-2003, 05:02 PM

Aw shit. Gecko. Can ya read between the lines?

Phaenx · 12-05-2003, 05:31 PM

Fighting threads are always popular, one of those things everyone seems to have an opinion on. I have one too. Winning a fight is more about the person then it is whatever style they're trying to use. Workout, stay calm and learn how to throw and take a punch, get that down and then worry about the fancy stuff, just remember most martial arts aren't very practical, and will more then likely earn you a beating. I'd say look into whatever they teach in the military, I believe it's some form of Judo.

ninety09 · 12-05-2003, 05:38 PM

I never got in a fight in my life. I've always wondered what getting punched feels like =|

World's King · 12-05-2003, 05:41 PM

How often do you get your ass kicked not being a violent guy? Like maybe once or twice? There is no need to get into all the shit of martial arts just in hope that you do get another fight. And really unless you're years and years into it... it don't mean shit.

basmoq · 12-05-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
just remember most martial arts aren't very practical, and will more then likely earn you a beating. I'd say look into whatever they teach in the military, I believe it's some form of Judo.

Whooooooo there buddy, are you forgetting that Judo is a martial art. I don't think you've done your research, because what Gakface said earlier was more than slightly true. The martial arts are about fighting, maybe not what the teach at the YMCA, but real martial arts can prepare you for all sorts of situations in which you won't get beat up.

I'd love to see you take on Gakface, for instance... He may be a bit scrawny, and I may be considerably stronger than him, but I'm not stupid enough to try and lay a hand on him. He'd kick my arrs.

I suggest that you think before you post Phaenx, it might do you some good... How does training in a fighting art earn you a beating? It's a fricking FIGHTING ART!!!

Phaenx · 12-05-2003, 05:45 PM

You could be a non violent asshole. Working out has the added benefit of making you look hot at least though.

mystmarimatt · 12-05-2003, 06:25 PM

this reminds me of a funny story.

when i was in 8th grade, this little kid who had a little big man complex, he was in the 7th grade at the time, decided to get tough and make fun of me in the middle of an assembly (i have mild cerebral palsy), so i turned around, pulled him down into my lap and punched the shit out of him with my ONE GOOD HAND. suffice it say, he lost his complex. Neither of us got in trouble with the faculty, I, because they liked the fact that a disabled kid beat up his victimizer, and he, because they figured the shame was apparent enough.

does that satisfy everyone's need to hear a fight story?

sailor · 12-05-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
I think this post would be better served as an anecdote instead of a request for advice. I think I speak for everyone when I say I wanna know the bloody, gory details of how you got into the fight and how much of a painful experience it was.

Ill second that

Tell us what happened!

I dont think I have ever been in a fight other than the normal sibling stuff--I used to get in quite a few fistfights with my brother, but I was like 11, 12, 13 at the time, it doesnt really count.

sixate · 12-05-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by ninety09
I never got in a fight in my life. I've always wondered what getting punched feels like =|

You're better off not knowing. Some people hit like bitches, but I've taken a few hard shots. It wasn't fun, but I didn't lose the fight.

I did have a black eye for about 3 weeks. The white of my eye was completely red. That didn't go away for over a month.

Mad_Gecko, are you gonna tell us what happened?! I wanna know too.

sailor · 12-05-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
You're better off not knowing. Some people hit like bitches, but I've taken a few hard shots. It wasn't fun, but I didn't lose the fight. I did have a black eye for about 3 weeks. The white of my eye was completely red. That didn't go away for over a month.

Mad_Gecko, are you gonna tell us what happened?! I wanna know too.

Yeah, I know it would suck to get in a fight, but I think I probably need to at least once.

lordjeebus · 12-05-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by mystmarimatt
this reminds me of a funny story.

when i was in 8th grade, this little kid who had a little big man complex, he was in the 7th grade at the time, decided to get tough and make fun of me in the middle of an assembly (i have mild cerebral palsy), so i turned around, pulled him down into my lap and punched the shit out of him with my ONE GOOD HAND. suffice it say, he lost his complex. Neither of us got in trouble with the faculty, I, because they liked the fact that a disabled kid beat up his victimizer, and he, because they figured the shame was apparent enough.

does that satisfy everyone's need to hear a fight story?

That's one of the best and most uplifting fight stories I've heard. I wish I had been there to see it.

Bravo!

GakFace · 12-05-2003, 07:37 PM

Phaenx did you just saying working to be non violent works?

I mean I agree with Basmoq though. First off Judo IS a form of Martal Arts. Further more how does me knowing Martial Arts make me get into a beating? I have yet to get into a fight personally, but I remember when I told someone in Highschool that I was a Brown Belt. The news went through the school like wild fire. Heck I had people asking me about it... people that I never saw before (big high school). It never provoked a fight though.

Phaenx · 12-05-2003, 07:56 PM

I did? I thought I said to look into (the martial art) Judo because I think the military uses it (i.e. it's not impractical).

The other crazy jump around and what not styles won't get you into a fight, it will make you lose said fight. I've been in lots of fights, if someone has the prescense of mind whilst spraying the deck down with testosterone, watch someone try to use it, most people will deflect/block most of the energy and absorb the rest, then tackle you and make you their bitch while you're unbalanced.

It may be a good deterrant, but I honestly don't think a belt helps you much.

sailor · 12-05-2003, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
I did? I thought I said to look into (the martial art) Judo because I think the military uses it (i.e. it's not impractical).

The other crazy jump around and what not styles won't get you into a fight, it will make you lose said fight. I've been in lots of fights, if someone has the prescense of mind whilst spraying the deck down with testosterone, watch someone try to use it, most people will deflect/block most of the energy and absorb the rest, then tackle you and make you their bitch while you're unbalanced.

It may be a good deterrant, but I honestly don't think a belt helps you much.

Yeah, I get what you are saying. What the Army teaches is meant to be very practical, and easy to use by soldiers without a lot of practice in it. A martial art would likely (I would think, I dont practice any) require a *lot* of practice before one was able to use it very well in a fight.

Phaenx · 12-05-2003, 08:29 PM

Those guys that jump around and try to kick your head and such still get their asses handed to them in UCF. A fight 90% of the time just degenerates to trying to knock the other guy down and beat him up anyways, and all of that nonsense won't help you then. I'd say, in my opinion, get ripped (buy a punching bag even, it will help you with getting in shape and learning to throw a punch) and learn how to throw a punch.

There are some cool pressure point holds and such I learned from a friend of mine, but they won't help you if someone is drastically stronger then you are.

That's something that bugs me too, when the "black belt master senseis" say that a 90 year old grandmother will be able to disable a 230lb man in 5 seconds with one hand using their techniques. Bullshit. I'd love to actually fight said "masters," bring on the shaolin monks too, it's past time they got a beating, PHAENX STYLE!

basmoq · 12-05-2003, 09:24 PM

Your full of it Phaenx, your vision of martial arts extends no farther than what you see on tv. Real martial artists don't look like models and fight like wimps. Go to your nearest dojo, and ask the sensei if he will spar with you, I garantee you'll get the beating of your life...

Phaenx · 12-05-2003, 09:46 PM

When did I mention TV ever besides UCF? I'm pretty sure all of my evidence was first hand evidence, in person watching some kid getting beat up, I've even defended myself against some dumbass trying to karate me before. He fought like a wimp, the other people I've seen get beat up fought like wimps, and the choads in UCF who use those styles fight like wimps. Do you have any first hand experience to the contrary? Because "you're full of it" won't cut it.

I'll go down to a dojo tommorow and bring a digital camera. I garauntee they won't do it but I'll go down there none-the-less.

GakFace · 12-05-2003, 10:32 PM

Phaenx, I know what some of the styles your thinking of. At the moment I'm at a loss of words (for their names)... Those types yeah.. but is EVERY martial art trying to jump kick their way to someone's head? If you want to answer yes, then you need to do some SERIOUS research. Your post (that I responded to), sounded like you were saying that martial arts are dumb, but Judo is good.

Pressure Points. I have yet to hear anyone (aside from you) say that a 90 year old grandmother will be able to disable a 230lb man in 5 seconds with one hand. Nope, never heard that. But I have heard how someone a lot smaller can take down a larger person. Shit I've use pressure points on people that could easily beat me up. That said, They are definately worth it. There is a man.. Dillman. He is the foremost Pressure Point guy in the States. He's also a good friend of my Instructor. This guy looks like Scottie from the original Star Trek, kinda sounds like him, and he likes to drink.... a lot.

He can find pressure points BLINDFOLDED... I've seen him do it. Heck, he once just... touched... my arm. The actual pressure was seriously not much lighter than a mere touch, but if I were to say that I didn't immedately fall to the ground, then I'd be lying. With enough practice, you can just take people down without a second thought.

My training hasn't taught me to jump around like Bonkers (remember him?

), so I wouldn't be doing what you seem to imply most styles do.

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There are some cool pressure point holds and such I learned from a friend of mine, but they won't help you if someone is drastically stronger then you are.

SOME, not ALL, so you have no room to judge on this.

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then tackle you and make you their bitch while you're unbalanced.

I bold faced that word on purpose. See one of the main things you're taught to do is to KEEP YOUR BALANCE. So if you're relying on a martial artist to lose their balance, you're about to get your ass whooped. Point Blank. You're taught how to attack and defend all the while keeping your balance. Another thing you're taught is to stand a certain way with your body so that your chest is not open to attack. Also when I know how to parry your punch.... and yes I can do it, how does that help you? It merely only throws your energy with the flow of my punch. Parry, grab the arm, pull with your body, then punch you in the floating ribs with my other arm... Yes quite effective for you, huh?

As Basmoq said, if you faught a master, you'd be down in a matter of seconds....

GakFace · 12-05-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
When did I mention TV ever besides UCF? I'm pretty sure all of my evidence was first hand evidence, in person watching some kid getting beat up, I've even defended myself against some dumbass trying to karate me before. He fought like a wimp, the other people I've seen get beat up fought like wimps, and the choads in UCF who use those styles fight like wimps. Do you have any first hand experience to the contrary? Because "you're full of it" won't cut it.

I'll go down to a dojo tommorow and bring a digital camera. I garauntee they won't do it but I'll go down there none-the-less.

Yes, I speak from first hand. I have been in it long enough to be Black Belt standing, but a semester or two of college classes that made me write more papers than I think you ever should in such a short time span prevented me from remembering my forms to get to the next belt. Because of this I'm a Red Belt. So yes, I do speak from personal experience. Aside from calling peole wimps.... What i'm really pissed about is how you said, you WATCHED someone get beat up! WHY didn't you intervene and break the fight up? . . . .

Phaenx · 12-05-2003, 10:58 PM

They deserved it. Happened about 2 months ago outside K-Mart

I've heard this more then once, and said people continuously get destroyed when they actually get into a fight. I of course disagree, there will be a matter of seconds but that will only be until there's two people on the ground wrestling.

Given there are less sissy fighting arts (aforementioned) but they don't stack up against physical prowess and aggression even then, I've got an edge on the wrestling jazz (an efficient fighting style as well), and what do you do when a big guy wraps you up and takes you down? Punch me in the face? I've been punched in the face before, put me in a hold? I'll bite you. I'm also likely going to be a lot stronger then said "master," if you can get me in a hold to start with then you deserve congratulations, but a headlock has never stopped me from picking someone up and dropping them on the head (I grew up the youngest of 5 brothers and a sister, sadistic bastards all).

Hell, I'll give you my address and demonstrate if you want to send fatty mc'drunk over to my house. He can take me to a strip joint after. After he admits the power of the Dark Side.

GakFace · 12-06-2003, 12:12 AM

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They Deserved It

-- I can't believe I just read this.

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there will be a matter of seconds but that will only be until there's two people on the ground wrestling.

-- I've seen numerous fights.. not too many of them end up on the ground....

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put me in a hold? I'll bite you

-- Sorry, not all holds keep your mouth in reach of me... I can think of one in particular where you become a human body shield... no arms or mouth can touch me (other than the arm that I am holding).

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want to send fatty mc'drunk over to my house.

-- You have just lost all respect from me with this comment.

phaedrus · 12-06-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
The other crazy jump around and what not styles won't get you into a fight, it will make you lose said fight....It may be a good deterrant, but I honestly don't think a belt helps you much.

You are right and you are wrong. I'm 24, I've trained in shótó-kan for the last 16 years of my life. I've dabbled in some of the other styles. I've a black belt, all it is good for is holding up my pants. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron. For the first few years of the average martial artist's training, his training probably puts him at a disadvantage in a fight. Because he still thinks. Instead of throwing a punch he will try to think what technique he should use. Since he is thinking, he is slow. While he is thinking you will knock the shit out of him. After a point, the training will benefit a martial artist in a fight. Estimating extremely conservatively, I've thrown minimally 3 million punches in my life (500/day, 7days/week, 52days/year, 16years); I’ve also done the same amount of sit ups and push ups as part of my training. I'd imagine even you would admit the advantage this combination could be in a fight. By this point, muscle memory has taken over. If I am not extremely aware of my actions, I move by reflex instead of thought.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I would win in a fight against anyone. I'm not even saying I could kick your ass, I don't know you from Adam, and that is not my point.

Side point: Boxing and wrestling are martial arts, certainly you don't think training in either of those sports would make someone less fit in a brawl.

SirGoreaxe · 12-06-2003, 12:14 AM

Hey if "Fatty Mc'Drunk" drops you like a bad habit, I want pics, by the way my e-mail is available. Please send them soon. I could always use a good laugh.

Jadey · 12-06-2003, 12:47 AM

I'm just lucky I've never been on the bad business end of any of the minor altercations I've had. I have been the "Fatty McDrunk" one or twice though. Sufficed to say a woman has been involved every time. *shakes fist in air* Damn them all!!!!

omega2K4 · 12-06-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
You are right and you are wrong. I'm 24, I've trained in shótó-kan for the last 16 years of my life. I've dabbled in some of the other styles. I've a black belt, all it is good for is holding up my pants. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron. For the first few years of the average martial artist's training, his training probably puts him at a disadvantage in a fight. Because he still thinks. Instead of throwing a punch he will try to think what technique he should use. Since he is thinking, he is slow. While he is thinking you will knock the shit out of him. After a point, the training will benefit a martial artist in a fight. Estimating extremely conservatively, I've thrown minimally 3 million punches in my life (500/day, 7days/week, 52days/year, 16years); I’ve also done the same amount of sit ups and push ups as part of my training. I'd imagine even you would admit the advantage this combination could be in a fight. By this point, muscle memory has taken over. If I am not extremely aware of my actions, I move by reflex instead of thought.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I would win in a fight against anyone. I'm not even saying I could kick your ass, I don't know you from Adam, and that is not my point.

Side point: Boxing and wrestling are martial arts, certainly you don't think training in either of those sports would make someone less fit in a brawl.

Owned.

Phaenx · 12-06-2003, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
You are right and you are wrong. I'm 24, I've trained in shótó-kan for the last 16 years of my life. I've dabbled in some of the other styles. I've a black belt, all it is good for is holding up my pants. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron. For the first few years of the average martial artist's training, his training probably puts him at a disadvantage in a fight. Because he still thinks. Instead of throwing a punch he will try to think what technique he should use. Since he is thinking, he is slow. While he is thinking you will knock the shit out of him. After a point, the training will benefit a martial artist in a fight. Estimating extremely conservatively, I've thrown minimally 3 million punches in my life (500/day, 7days/week, 52days/year, 16years); I’ve also done the same amount of sit ups and push ups as part of my training. I'd imagine even you would admit the advantage this combination could be in a fight. By this point, muscle memory has taken over. If I am not extremely aware of my actions, I move by reflex instead of thought.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I would win in a fight against anyone. I'm not even saying I could kick your ass, I don't know you from Adam, and that is not my point.

Side point: Boxing and wrestling are martial arts, certainly you don't think training in either of those sports would make someone less fit in a brawl.

No I've said quite specifically from the beggining that there are some that don't, specifically those used by the military, wrestling, and perhaps boxing even as well, straightforward and efficient, not elaborate and ineffective. Mostly though, martial arts is a fairly large waste of time, some of the styles are way overrated in my opinion.

phaedrus · 12-06-2003, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
No I've said quite specifically from the beggining that there are some that don't, specifically those used by the military, wrestling, and perhaps boxing even as well, straightforward and efficient, not elaborate and ineffective. Mostly though, martial arts is a fairly large waste of time, some of the styles are way overrated in my opinion.

I assume you are addresssing just my last point about boxing and wrestling.

How well do you know most martial arts? I suspect your experience with them is limited. I've my own biases; I think kempo is a joke, and tae kwan do (which I suspect you are most familiar with) is a less useful version of shótó-kan because of its emphasis on kicking, making it a less than ideal form for close quarters combat. However we may view a martial art does not change the fact that someone who has thrown a million or more punches is better prepared for a fight than someone who hasn't thrown a punch in his life.

fyi:
Elements from aikido, kung fu, shótó-kan, tae kawn do, jeet kune do and several other martial arts have been incorporated into various branches of the US military's training programs. Besides most martial arts share techniques. Which means the majority of martial artists study a form of martial arts that is (in part) used by the military.

OFKU0 · 12-06-2003, 08:14 AM

So I goes to the' I just got beat up' thread and a martial arts discussion breaks out.

GakFace · 12-06-2003, 08:22 AM

Yeah I'd Heard how lots of people think TKD is more of a joke, yet my instructor seems to be an exception. I say the name to people who know the area and they decide to take it back.

Of course, my instructor is also adaptable, which adds to the variety.

(Just thought I'd add that in there Phaedrus)

OFKU0: And you're going to say....?

OFKU0 · 12-06-2003, 08:44 AM

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OFKU0: And you're going to say....?

I'm going to say I want to hear how Mad_Gecko got beat not how one form of this,that or the other is better or worse.

Mad_Gecko I am pleading with you. Save this thread.

NickKell · 12-06-2003, 08:46 AM

Start carrying a billy club. I got this retractable metal club from Japan. It folds up to about 4 inches, but extends to over a foot and it's solid metal. That will scare some people away, or, if it comes down to it, will crack some serious skulls.

sailor · 12-06-2003, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by NickKell
Start carrying a billy club. I got this retractable metal club from Japan. It folds up to about 4 inches, but extends to over a foot and it's solid metal. That will scare some people away, or, if it comes down to it, will crack some serious skulls.

Its also illegal in almost every state.

phaedrus · 12-06-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by GakFace
Yeah I'd Heard how lots of people think TKD is more of a joke, yet my instructor seems to be an exception. I say the name to people who know the area and they decide to take it back. Of course, my instructor is also adaptable, which adds to the variety.

You really should have pointed out that the differences between TKD and shótó-kan are minimal. The first several kata (at least) are even the same. My objection to TKD is the emphasis many of its practitioners place on kicking, sometimes to the almost complete exclusion of other techniques. If you are like the majority, not adaptable, then TKD is not well rounded enough for my taste.

Journeyman · 12-06-2003, 02:53 PM

Mad_Geek: As best as I can guage, grappling and boxing are your best bets if you want to learn how to handle things. Boxers seem to have the best record as far as out-of-sport fighting goes, but you can't use it if you're rolling on the ground, so grappling should be thrown in there.

Fire · 12-07-2003, 02:24 AM

Also note that there are MANY types of TKD out there- some are better than others- just out of curiosity Gak face, what type do you do? I did ITF TKD for 7 years, cross trained w/ judo, akido, and several bouncers. I have been in a serious brawl, and watched a man go to the ground, where he was stomped to a bloody pulp (and required hospitalization) IMHO good cross training and sense it the best recipee for not winding up this way- Also- most credible martial artists arent going to jump around and make the kind of mistakes Phaenx seems to think they will...

12-05-2003, 04:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	I just got beaten up... Hi all, I just had a can of ass whoopin' laid on me. (claret and all) I wanted to get a cab home 4 us.. My bad :-) My ? is? Should I forget it and take up Karate, or should I be myself and keep training to be who I wanna be. PS: I am not naturally violent. PPS: I can't spell __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious Last edited by Mad_Gecko; 12-05-2003 at 04:40 PM..

12-05-2003, 04:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I think this post would be better served as an anecdote instead of a request for advice. I think I speak for everyone when I say I wanna know the bloody, gory details of how you got into the fight and how much of a painful experience it was. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

12-05-2003, 04:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	[edit] And apparently, Hal forgot about me.. heh I think..... Differently [/edit] Martial Arts is not to pick fights. Yes I realize that you don't want it but to defend yourself, and any other martial artist would agree with me on this. Personally, when I first when to a martial arts cool, I felt VERY weird. Just a "How the hell am I going to fit in" kinda feeling. If you can find a school that is affordable (and a good intro deal to test it out), I really would say to try it out. If you get a good school its incredibly fun all the while feeling more confident if something like that should arise. I don't know you personally so I don't what you're trainng to be. I still think its great stuff to know. I myself am a very passive person. I would do anything I could to not fight, but if push comes to shove.. sometimes you simply cannot avoid having to defend your own. Such as the case you have just been in, sadly enough. I'm not entirely sure by saying forgoe the karate and continue being who you want to be. I don't think Martial Arts will really change you. If it WERE to change you, it wouldn't be in a negative way. Again when you learn martial arts, the one thing you do know is that you don't use what you know to hurt others. A true martial artist would try to resolve the issue without the violence. This sounds like you if you say you're rather passive at heart. If you're interested in taking Martial Arts, you should post it somewhere here on TFP and also search it out. There is more than just Karate. I, myself, have trained in Tae Kwon Do. (and a few other things.. my Instructor liked to mix many things into his teachings) There are many different styles and there may be a type that suits you best. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

12-05-2003, 05:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	Well, EOS. Thanks TFP. Had a good time. __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious

12-05-2003, 05:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Aw shit. Gecko. Can ya read between the lines? __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

12-05-2003, 05:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Fighting threads are always popular, one of those things everyone seems to have an opinion on. I have one too. Winning a fight is more about the person then it is whatever style they're trying to use. Workout, stay calm and learn how to throw and take a punch, get that down and then worry about the fancy stuff, just remember most martial arts aren't very practical, and will more then likely earn you a beating. I'd say look into whatever they teach in the military, I believe it's some form of Judo. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-05-2003, 05:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
ninety09 Flavour of the Weak Location: Canada	I never got in a fight in my life. I've always wondered what getting punched feels like =\|

12-05-2003, 05:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	How often do you get your ass kicked not being a violent guy? Like maybe once or twice? There is no need to get into all the shit of martial arts just in hope that you do get another fight. And really unless you're years and years into it... it don't mean shit. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

12-05-2003, 05:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	You could be a non violent asshole. Working out has the added benefit of making you look hot at least though. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-05-2003, 06:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
mystmarimatt Omnipotent Ruler Of The Tiny Universe In My Mind Location: Oreegawn	this reminds me of a funny story. when i was in 8th grade, this little kid who had a little big man complex, he was in the 7th grade at the time, decided to get tough and make fun of me in the middle of an assembly (i have mild cerebral palsy), so i turned around, pulled him down into my lap and punched the shit out of him with my ONE GOOD HAND. suffice it say, he lost his complex. Neither of us got in trouble with the faculty, I, because they liked the fact that a disabled kid beat up his victimizer, and he, because they figured the shame was apparent enough. does that satisfy everyone's need to hear a fight story? __________________ Words of Wisdom: If you could really get to know someone and know that they weren't lying to you, then you would know the world was real. Because you could agree on things, you could compare notes. That must be why people get married or make Art. So they'll be able to really know something and not go insane.

12-05-2003, 07:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Phaenx did you just saying working to be non violent works? I mean I agree with Basmoq though. First off Judo IS a form of Martal Arts. Further more how does me knowing Martial Arts make me get into a beating? I have yet to get into a fight personally, but I remember when I told someone in Highschool that I was a Brown Belt. The news went through the school like wild fire. Heck I had people asking me about it... people that I never saw before (big high school). It never provoked a fight though. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

12-05-2003, 07:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I did? I thought I said to look into (the martial art) Judo because I think the military uses it (i.e. it's not impractical). The other crazy jump around and what not styles won't get you into a fight, it will make you lose said fight. I've been in lots of fights, if someone has the prescense of mind whilst spraying the deck down with testosterone, watch someone try to use it, most people will deflect/block most of the energy and absorb the rest, then tackle you and make you their bitch while you're unbalanced. It may be a good deterrant, but I honestly don't think a belt helps you much. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-05-2003, 08:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Those guys that jump around and try to kick your head and such still get their asses handed to them in UCF. A fight 90% of the time just degenerates to trying to knock the other guy down and beat him up anyways, and all of that nonsense won't help you then. I'd say, in my opinion, get ripped (buy a punching bag even, it will help you with getting in shape and learning to throw a punch) and learn how to throw a punch. There are some cool pressure point holds and such I learned from a friend of mine, but they won't help you if someone is drastically stronger then you are. That's something that bugs me too, when the "black belt master senseis" say that a 90 year old grandmother will be able to disable a 230lb man in 5 seconds with one hand using their techniques. Bullshit. I'd love to actually fight said "masters," bring on the shaolin monks too, it's past time they got a beating, PHAENX STYLE! __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-05-2003, 09:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
basmoq It's a girly girl! Location: OH, USA	Your full of it Phaenx, your vision of martial arts extends no farther than what you see on tv. Real martial artists don't look like models and fight like wimps. Go to your nearest dojo, and ask the sensei if he will spar with you, I garantee you'll get the beating of your life... __________________ "There's someone out there for everyone - even if you need a pickaxe, a compass, and night goggles to find them."

12-05-2003, 09:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	When did I mention TV ever besides UCF? I'm pretty sure all of my evidence was first hand evidence, in person watching some kid getting beat up, I've even defended myself against some dumbass trying to karate me before. He fought like a wimp, the other people I've seen get beat up fought like wimps, and the choads in UCF who use those styles fight like wimps. Do you have any first hand experience to the contrary? Because "you're full of it" won't cut it. I'll go down to a dojo tommorow and bring a digital camera. I garauntee they won't do it but I'll go down there none-the-less. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-05-2003, 10:58 PM	#25 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	They deserved it. Happened about 2 months ago outside K-Mart I've heard this more then once, and said people continuously get destroyed when they actually get into a fight. I of course disagree, there will be a matter of seconds but that will only be until there's two people on the ground wrestling. Given there are less sissy fighting arts (aforementioned) but they don't stack up against physical prowess and aggression even then, I've got an edge on the wrestling jazz (an efficient fighting style as well), and what do you do when a big guy wraps you up and takes you down? Punch me in the face? I've been punched in the face before, put me in a hold? I'll bite you. I'm also likely going to be a lot stronger then said "master," if you can get me in a hold to start with then you deserve congratulations, but a headlock has never stopped me from picking someone up and dropping them on the head (I grew up the youngest of 5 brothers and a sister, sadistic bastards all). Hell, I'll give you my address and demonstrate if you want to send fatty mc'drunk over to my house. He can take me to a strip joint after. After he admits the power of the Dark Side. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-06-2003, 12:14 AM	#28 (permalink)
SirGoreaxe Tilted Location: Bremerton, WA	Hey if "Fatty Mc'Drunk" drops you like a bad habit, I want pics, by the way my e-mail is available. Please send them soon. I could always use a good laugh. __________________ (;þ "You can't change what has happened, but you can make the best of it, and make better decisions from the past." (Unless there is a quick edit button.)

12-06-2003, 12:47 AM	#29 (permalink)
Jadey This Space For Rent Location: Davenport, Iowa	I'm just lucky I've never been on the bad business end of any of the minor altercations I've had. I have been the "Fatty McDrunk" one or twice though. Sufficed to say a woman has been involved every time. shakes fist in air Damn them all!!!!

12-06-2003, 08:14 AM	#33 (permalink)
OFKU0 Junk	So I goes to the' I just got beat up' thread and a martial arts discussion breaks out. __________________ " In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard.

12-06-2003, 08:22 AM	#34 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Yeah I'd Heard how lots of people think TKD is more of a joke, yet my instructor seems to be an exception. I say the name to people who know the area and they decide to take it back. Of course, my instructor is also adaptable, which adds to the variety. (Just thought I'd add that in there Phaedrus) OFKU0: And you're going to say....? __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

12-06-2003, 08:46 AM	#36 (permalink)
NickKell Insane	Start carrying a billy club. I got this retractable metal club from Japan. It folds up to about 4 inches, but extends to over a foot and it's solid metal. That will scare some people away, or, if it comes down to it, will crack some serious skulls.

12-06-2003, 02:53 PM	#39 (permalink)
Journeyman Like John Goodman, but not. Location: SFBA, California	Mad_Geek: As best as I can guage, grappling and boxing are your best bets if you want to learn how to handle things. Boxers seem to have the best record as far as out-of-sport fighting goes, but you can't use it if you're rolling on the ground, so grappling should be thrown in there.

12-07-2003, 02:24 AM	#40 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	Also note that there are MANY types of TKD out there- some are better than others- just out of curiosity Gak face, what type do you do? I did ITF TKD for 7 years, cross trained w/ judo, akido, and several bouncers. I have been in a serious brawl, and watched a man go to the ground, where he was stomped to a bloody pulp (and required hospitalization) IMHO good cross training and sense it the best recipee for not winding up this way- Also- most credible martial artists arent going to jump around and make the kind of mistakes Phaenx seems to think they will... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens