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analog · 12-07-2003, 04:33 PM

Sometimes people underestimate what they have not experienced for themselves. Go fight a master. I'll send you a get-well card afterwards. Besides, most would just put you down before a fight could start. They're not usually into beating people up just because they ask for it.

Amarth · 12-08-2003, 07:01 PM

Tell me who he is. I'll kick his ass fo' you.

Phaenx · 12-08-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by analog
Sometimes people underestimate what they have not experienced for themselves. Go fight a master. I'll send you a get-well card afterwards. Besides, most would just put you down before a fight could start. They're not usually into beating people up just because they ask for it.

Pussies I say. I've experienced plenty of it, how can some goober whose studied books and practiced with people with pads and shit on trying to score points ever perform in a real fight? They haven't, at least the ones I've had the pleasure of beating on (they started it). Also, like I said before, if you check out a place where they take people of all studies and let them duke it out, you'll see I'm right. Stop being condescending as well, it's pissing me off.

Anyways, on top of being in shape (which is the most important) boxing/wrestling/grappling I'd say are the best way to win a fight.

Pragma · 12-08-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
They haven't, at least the ones I've had the pleasure of beating on (they started it).

To interject my small bit of knowledge in this discussion: The dojo masters who would rape you, the ones that they (analog, Gak Face, etc.) have been talking about, are precisely the ones that would not initiate a fight - because they're secure of their knowledge and don't feel the need to go beat people up for fun.

Phaenx · 12-08-2003, 08:22 PM

Sure, that's convenient.

OFKU0 · 12-08-2003, 08:40 PM

Since Mad_Gecko isn't going to tell us about his adventure, one thing I've notice is that no one has commented on is the survival aspect of conflict, or in other words kill or be killed.

I've seen guys get beat up,not because they are not tough or don't know how to fight, but because they lack the survival instinct. And when it does kick in it is to late,they have already been beaten.

I've also seen martial arts guys getting booted in the head repeated ,not because they didn't know what they were doing,just because they run into a street brawler who has lots of experience fighting,can take any shot repeatedly and is psycho. Kill or be killed.

Phaenx · 12-08-2003, 08:58 PM

Damn straight! That's how it works in the real world.

phaedrus · 12-08-2003, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Pussies I say. I've experienced plenty of it, how can some goober whose studied books and practiced with people with pads and shit on trying to score points ever perform in a real fight? They haven't, at least the ones I've had the pleasure of beating on (they started it). Also, like I said before, if you check out a place where they take people of all studies and let them duke it out, you'll see I'm right. Stop being condescending as well, it's pissing me off.

Anyways, on top of being in shape (which is the most important) boxing/wrestling/grappling I'd say are the best way to win a fight.

Not all martial artists use pads. These are the only pads I've ever used sparring.
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Less than the gloves boxers wear. Hell, even amateur boxers wear head gear.

Martial artists really don't really study much from books. For the most part, martial arts are about doing. Reading is not doing.

Even if boxing and wrestling are superior forms or martial arts, it does not change the simple truth that someone who has puched a million or more punches will be better off than someone who has maybe punched a wall in anger once or twice.

You never addressed this:

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Originally posted by phaedrus
Elements from aikido, kung fu, shótó-kan, tae kawn do, jeet kune do and several other martial arts have been incorporated into various branches of the US military's training programs. Besides most martial arts share techniques. Which means the majority of martial artists study a form of martial arts that is (in part) used by the military.

Battlefield · 12-09-2003, 01:54 AM

Hey Gak Face
I have *some* experience. I've trained a bit in martial arts and also competed in small(full contact and points) tournaments. Martial arts can help you, it will also give you confidence that you won't get beaten up--it seems like thats what you're looking for. However, it won't stop someone from stabbing you in the back or shooting you or 5 guys from mobbing you(unless you are a movie action hero)

Out of personal recommendation I would go with either kickboxing or brazilian jujitsu(or both). A guy at the place I trained used to compete in UFC type circuits and knew quite a bit. His theory was that if you don't knock the guy out in the first punch you are gonna have to grapple which is why jujitsu is so good...

ChrisJericho · 12-09-2003, 02:21 AM

MA'S are a tricky subject, I know this due to the fact that I have studied Okinawan Karate, Judo, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Yes, they can teach you how to handle yourself in a fight and also give you self-confidence. However, if your sole motivation for starting a MA is due to this ONE incident, you will probably only last a few months. You really have to be in it for the long haul if you want to become profficeint at an art.

That being said, if you DO deicde you want to join a school, these are the things you should be wary of:

1. Children who aren't old enough to have driving permits walking around with Black Belts. This is usually a sign of schools that sell belt rankings and do not have high standards. Typically these are Tae Kwon Do and Karate schools who give out Black Belts after 3 years. These are commonly referred to as "McDojos".

2.Katas/Forms. Despite what anyone tells you these dances will not help you in a self defense situation. Sure they are good for excercise and developing balance, but not much time should be wasted on them.

These are the lessons I have learned in my MA experience. Today I would not consider myself a Martial Artist due to the fact that I no longer attend a school. However, I still retain my knowledge of striking from Karate, my throws and trips from Judo, and the groundfighting I learned from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. No matter which art you choose, you have to remember that it's only one piece of the puzzle, no art is complete. Once you realize this you will become a much more dangerous and efficient fighter.

macro · 12-09-2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
For the first few years of the average martial artist's training, his training probably puts him at a disadvantage in a fight. Because he still thinks. Instead of throwing a punch he will try to think what technique he should use. Since he is thinking, he is slow.

Is this also the case with such arts as Wing Chun (Tsun)? It is supposed to train the fighter to respond to animal movement and integrate technique instinctively. Sounds good to me, but I'm sure that level of instinct is far beyong a year or two of training.

Phaenx · 12-09-2003, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
Not all martial artists use pads. These are the only pads I've ever used sparring.
Less than the gloves boxers wear. Hell, even amateur boxers wear head gear.

Martial artists really don't really study much from books. For the most part, martial arts are about doing. Reading is not doing.

Even if boxing and wrestling are superior forms or martial arts, it does not change the simple truth that someone who has puched a million or more punches will be better off than someone who has maybe punched a wall in anger once or twice.

You never addressed this:

Amateur boxers are women, plenty of martial artists use the same headgear as well. As long as you can throw and take a decent punch then you should be ok (a startling amount of tough guys are limp wristed bitches) if they teach you that, good, but those tournaments with the pads and helmets are a joke (that point bullshit is retarded, the only points awarded should be when the other guy's unconcious) if you want to show who's better at fighting.

Good for them, I don't reccomend anyone read a book to learn how to fight either.

Sure, but who says you need to study martial arts to throw a million punches? I think I reccomended a punching bag to Gecko earlier, it's fun and good exercise to boot.

I have addressed it, I told him to look in to whatever the military uses because it likely isn't as impractical as the majority of the martial arts.

phaedrus · 12-09-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by macro
Is this also the case with such arts as Wing Chun (Tsun)? It is supposed to train the fighter to respond to animal movement and integrate technique instinctively. Sounds good to me, but I'm sure that level of instinct is far beyong a year or two of training.

I know nothing about Wing Chun. Sorry.

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Amateur boxers are women, plenty of martial artists use the same headgear as well. As long as you can throw and take a decent punch then you should be ok (a startling amount of tough guys are limp wristed bitches) if they teach you that, good, but those tournaments with the pads and helmets are a joke (that point bullshit is retarded, the only points awarded should be when the other guy's unconcious) if you want to show who's better at fighting.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Sure, but who says you need to study martial arts to throw a million punches? I think I reccomended a punching bag to Gecko earlier, it's fun and good exercise to boot.

I never said that was not a valid way to learn to protect yourself. You said martial arts weren't. I was disputing that.

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Originally posted by Phaenx
I have addressed it, I told him to look in to whatever the military uses because it likely isn't as impractical as the majority of the martial arts.

The majority of martial arts are used by one branch or another of the military. That was my point.

sailor · 12-09-2003, 02:59 PM

AAHHHHH what happened? We want to know!

Phaenx · 12-09-2003, 03:32 PM

Yeah, what's the point of learning all that stuff if you're hardly ever going to use them though? It's kind of like exercise, but you can get that from free weights. Also, if you don't have experience in what you're trying to do those arts can turn into a liability. Like you said, being slow, using slow attacks (I can't imagine a situation where someone tries to roundhouse me and I don't tackle them in the back, or take a step forward...), you'll get beat up. Gaining experience in the arts doesn't seem to help either vs. those ufc fellows, I've watched quite a few of those pay per views and they just about always lose. So he can do what he wants, but I say it's more about the person then the style.

It sounds more like they use a few moves from a few different styles to me. If every martial art only has a few attacks that are effective, that doesn't do much for your argument.

shakran · 12-09-2003, 06:12 PM

<i>Pussies I say. I've experienced plenty of it, how can some goober whose studied books and practiced with people with pads and shit on trying to score points ever perform in a real fight? They haven't, at least the ones I've had the pleasure of beating on (they started it). Also, like I said before, if you check out a place where they take people of all studies and let them duke it out, you'll see I'm right. Stop being condescending as well, it's pissing me off.

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hey Phaenx, seriously, shut the hell up. You're giving all of us martial artists a bad name. There's nothing wrong with the point-sparring classes as long as that's what the students want and they know that's what they're getting. The ONLY dojos I have a problem with are the point sparring dojos that claim to teach stuff that will work on the street. Even with those guys, I don't start fights with 'em on message boards and I'm not a rude dick to 'em under any circumstances.

I'm honestly starting to wonder about YOUR training. My students are taught respect from day one, and frankly it doesn't seem like you have any. You're seriously starting to sound like the DragonBallZ dipshits over on gameFAQ's martial arts board that think they're the blessed offspring of Rambo and Bruce Lee. Ease up, eh?

firebirdta · 12-09-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Yeah, what's the point of learning all that stuff if you're hardly ever going to use them though?

This is obviously the statement from a person who has no understanding of the martial arts. Self-defense, and I do mean defense, is a small aspect of the martial arts. I have trained in Tae Kwon Do for 9 years, and it has become a way of life for me. If you want to go around getting into fights, then none of the martial arts are the route for you. If you want to learn discipline and make your mind and body razor sharp, then the martial arts are definitely a good way to go.

kel · 12-09-2003, 07:29 PM

The study of martial arts is not a part time commitment. If you can't make the commitment then don't bother wasting your time, get a gun or get over it.

gophtc · 12-09-2003, 07:39 PM

I would expect good martial artists are as unlikely to be picking fights in parking lots or in other fights youve spectated, as they are to be on UCF. I would think the reasons for this are obvious. Sure their are average fighters but even then they are less likely to "test" their skills in that way. And I think the reasons for that go beyond a matter of style or even respect.

In the real world its not kill or be killed. Its hard to find real enemies that "deserve" anything or are even worthy opponents. Without going into it deeply, there are criminals, but thats where the law comes in, there's no killing or even fighting involved.

You may say fighting solves conflicts but really when you see people fighting, they probably shouldn't be fighting. There's nothing you can do to stop them because thats what they chose to do, but if you are their friend, you should tell them what they don't see, because they are obviously missing something.
Well I agree fighting experience may be important, that only lends support to martial arts. You test your skills with the goal of improving yourself against opponents you respect in a environment that builds comradery and friendship as opposed to proving yourself in spectacles that breed supposed winners and losers. The importance of that I am unsure

basmoq · 12-09-2003, 07:45 PM

I believe the author of this thread has forgotten about it, sad, because this thread seems to be filled with usefull knowledge of the Martial arts, and the useless ramblings of one named Phaenx. As for the latter comment, I make it because he has provided neither usefull information, nor any comments that did not involve his (likely imaginary) adventures in masculinity. I hope for his sake he never picks a fight in real life, cause people carry guns, knives, ... in real life. Good luck to you oh Starter of this Thread.

Phaenx · 12-09-2003, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by shakran
hey Phaenx, seriously, shut the hell up. You're giving all of us martial artists a bad name. There's nothing wrong with the point-sparring classes as long as that's what the students want and they know that's what they're getting. The ONLY dojos I have a problem with are the point sparring dojos that claim to teach stuff that will work on the street. Even with those guys, I don't start fights with 'em on message boards and I'm not a rude dick to 'em under any circumstances.

I'm honestly starting to wonder about YOUR training. My students are taught respect from day one, and frankly it doesn't seem like you have any. You're seriously starting to sound like the DragonBallZ dipshits over on gameFAQ's martial arts board that think they're the blessed offspring of Rambo and Bruce Lee. Ease up, eh?

Your "training" must be quite vigorous if you can't contain yourself on an internet forum. The point is to give you a bad name, it's a waste of time.

You'll also be happy to hear that I don't go around getting myself into incidents. I am a brash person who gives an honest opinion, if you don't like hearing peoples opinions then you shouldn't be here, you should also likely find a new line of work.

Phaenx · 12-09-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by gophtc
I would expect good martial artists are as unlikely to be picking fights in parking lots or in other fights youve spectated, as they are to be on UCF. I would think the reasons for this are obvious. Sure their are average fighters but even then they are less likely to "test" their skills in that way. And I think the reasons for that go beyond a matter of style or even respect.

Like I said before, that's really convenient for your argument. These guys get slaughtered at the UFC and it's because the good ones don't attend.

Hahaha.

Basmoq, go look UFC/MMA up, or get into a fight with a 6'5 240lb linebacker that spends as much time in the gym as you do in a dojo. I'll send YOU a get well card, and suggest a new hobby. Are you any good at knitting?

Pragma · 12-09-2003, 09:07 PM

Phaenx, honestly, what's so far stuck up your ass that you can only see that "any `martial artist - but oh, not martial artists who are boxers, wrestlers, or who learn the military school mixing of martial arts` is obviously a pussy who would get whuped in a real fight"? Is it that improbable that people have self-restraint and choose not to fight, despite being more than able to?

Is it that improbable that the people who are well trained and capable of very deadly applications of force (ie: master martial artists from any school) choose not to commercialize their efforts by something like UFC?

If I had that kind of power, the last thing I'd do is go pick fights on TV. It would negate everything I'd spent my life learning.

Pragma · 12-09-2003, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by basmoq
I believe the author of this thread has forgotten about it, sad, because this thread seems to be filled with usefull knowledge of the Martial arts, and the useless ramblings of one named Phaenx.

I'm fairly sure that the topic starter did not want to divulge any details about the thread and quickly ignored it when we started asking "What happened?" - and hasn't come back.

Phaenx · 12-09-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by Pragma
Phaenx, honestly, what's so far stuck up your ass that you can only see that "any `martial artist - but oh, not martial artists who are boxers, wrestlers, or who learn the military school mixing of martial arts` is obviously a pussy who would get whuped in a real fight"? Is it that improbable that people have self-restraint and choose not to fight, despite being more than able to?

Is it that improbable that the people who are well trained and capable of very deadly applications of force (ie: master martial artists from any school) choose not to commercialize their efforts by something like UFC?

If I had that kind of power, the last thing I'd do is go pick fights on TV. It would negate everything I'd spent my life learning.

Anyone who doesn't use a direct and to the point approach is at a disadvantage. Boxing and wrestling are good examples (jeet kune do is as well I would think, being designed that way. You know, people gave Bruce Lee shit for saying martial arts was too elaborate too), the military I also assume would bother to teach something worthwhile as well. What's so hard to believe about what I'm saying specifically? You don't think trying to kick someone in the head is a bad idea? The idea that you can be 160lbs and take down a 240lb guy? Won't happen, doesn't happen.

There are plenty of "masters" that attend the UFC/MMA, and they aren't what the television would have you believe. So yes, it is improbable that they would both morally object with the idea of testing their abilities and style as well as earn cash winnings.

phaedrus · 12-09-2003, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
The idea that you can be 160lbs and take down a 240lb guy? Won't happen, doesn't happen.

Did you know Bruce Lee was 5'7" 135-140 pounds at his peek? I don't doubt he could have taken down a 240 pound guy.

Phaenx · 12-10-2003, 12:53 AM

Maybe, certainly in a movie though, Bruce Lee was an actor. He's not alive to prove otherwise as well.

phaedrus · 12-10-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Maybe, certainly in a movie though, Bruce Lee was an actor. He's not alive to prove otherwise as well.

You know as well as I that Bruce was more than just an actor. Besides if he was just an actor why did you reference him to make a point?

gophtc · 12-10-2003, 03:44 AM

Phaenx it goes the other way around as well, its really convenient that the only fighters you see are street brawlers in parking lots or prize fighters on UCF.
Plus this was apparently not my main point, even if you did not state your opinion on it previously, I knew your obvious answer, I was just trying to give some explanation.
And I think most everyone on this board is open to your response, otherwise they would stop posting.

almostaugust · 12-10-2003, 06:42 AM

I think there is a certain amount of fear and spite in the opinion of many of those people who will call martial arts ineffective.

(its funny how this has turned into a martial arts thread)

shakran · 12-10-2003, 08:04 AM

what we have here in Phaenx is a guy who has watched too many ninja movies, and therefore assumes he knows everything there is to know about the martial arts. What we also have here in Phaenx is a guy who will get slaughtered if he picks a fight with the wrong guy. If his mouth is half as obnoxious as his posting is, he's going to learn that very soon.

He's obviously not in touch with reality. All we can do for him is suggest that he make sure to keep up with his health insurance premiums, 'cause one of these days he's gonna need it.

oh, and Phaenx, you don't even know my line of work, so it's kinda stupid for you to suggest that I change it. But you're right. I don't have very much patience with you. I don't suffer fools gladly. Respect does not mean rolling over and saying that everything you're proposing is absolutely true. Respect is also earned, and the other posters in here have earned respect by not being jerks.

homerhop · 12-10-2003, 09:11 AM

I had a great TKD instructor.His training was "this is how you do it in a tournament.... and this is how you do it in the street".
I have been in a fair few fights, given beatings and taken beatings.Been hit with everything from bricks to mororbike helmets.
Most fights you see will have guys standing with their fists up as shown on tv.
Personally the faster you close them down the faster they will panic.There is never such a thing on the street as a fair fight either, you hit,bite,kick them where you can and be prepared to hit the ground with them.

Bloodslick · 12-10-2003, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Mad_Gecko
Well,

EOS. Thanks TFP. Had a good time.

It bothers me that you idiots are still holding this discussion, completely ignoring the fact that this post five days ago was the last one he's made.

ChrisJericho · 12-10-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
You know as well as I that Bruce was more than just an actor. Besides if he was just an actor why did you reference him to make a point?

Yes Bruce Lee was a great philosopher and actor. However he never participated in any NHB matches or otherwise prove his skills were useful for self defense, therefore it is hard to determine the extent of his fighting ability.

Phaenx · 12-10-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by shakran
what we have here in Phaenx is a guy who has watched too many ninja movies, and therefore assumes he knows everything there is to know about the martial arts. What we also have here in Phaenx is a guy who will get slaughtered if he picks a fight with the wrong guy. If his mouth is half as obnoxious as his posting is, he's going to learn that very soon.

He's obviously not in touch with reality. All we can do for him is suggest that he make sure to keep up with his health insurance premiums, 'cause one of these days he's gonna need it.

oh, and Phaenx, you don't even know my line of work, so it's kinda stupid for you to suggest that I change it. But you're right. I don't have very much patience with you. I don't suffer fools gladly. Respect does not mean rolling over and saying that everything you're proposing is absolutely true. Respect is also earned, and the other posters in here have earned respect by not being jerks.

I think almostaugust has diagnosed your problem well enough, but I'll remind you that calling names is childish, and against the rules of this forum.

Also, "ninja movies" often portray the martial arts as more then it is. A guy beats up 30 street thugs in a few seconds and walks home. Who has seen too many movies?

I myself have been in more fights then I care to remember, and the typical martial arts (I'll start excluding sports like wrestling, boxing etc.) have never impressed me.

I was refering to your teaching children. I assumed you were saying you're some sort of instructor, and if that was true then you possibly shouldn't be teaching people how to avoid fights. Also, I'm sorry your hobby sucks.

Phaenx · 12-10-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by gophtc
Phaenx it goes the other way around as well, its really convenient that the only fighters you see are street brawlers in parking lots or prize fighters on UCF.
Plus this was apparently not my main point, even if you did not state your opinion on it previously, I knew your obvious answer, I was just trying to give some explanation.
And I think most everyone on this board is open to your response, otherwise they would stop posting.

No it doesn't, there's plenty of them. Here's a list of all the popular styles they use in the MMA league:

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Aikido
Japanese Martial art founded by Morihei Ueshiba in 1942 that specializes in throws and joint manipulations.

Boxing
The skill or sport of fighting with the fists usually with padded leather gloves. Referred to as the "sweet science," boxers use elaborate foot maneuvers and quick jabs for offense.

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
In the mid-1920's, Carlos Gracie opened the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. He taught the skills he learned from Japanese Judo master Esai Maeda. The skills were later modified to use less strength and to be more effective against larger opponents. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu's reputation spread due to the success of its practitioners in no holds barred contests.

Capoeira
Brazilian martial art created by African slaves. The maneuvers were disguised as gymnastic and dance-like to avoid persecution during the slaves revolt.

Freestyle
Generic term for martial arts that do not specify a particular style.

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Freestyle Wrestling
Possibly the world's oldest sport. Contestants struggle hand to hand attempting to throw or take down their opponent without striking blows. Some of the many styles of wrestling are Freestyle, Greco-Roman, and catch as catch can.

Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
In the mid-1920's, Carlos Gracie opened the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. He taught the skills he learned from Japanese Judo master Esai Maeda. The skills were later modified to use less strength and to be more effective against larger opponents. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu's reputation spread due to the success of its practitioners in no holds barred contests.

Greco-Roman Wrestling
Possibly the worlds oldest sport. Contestants struggle hand to hand attempting to throw or take down their opponent without striking blows. Some of the many styles of wrestling are Freestyle, Greco-Roman, and catch as catch can.

Gung Fu
Also referred to as Kung Fu, Chinese Boxing, and Wu Shu. There are hundreds of Kung Fu styles. Many are patterned after the movements of animals. Some well known styles of Kung Fu are Wing Chun, Praying Mantis, Pau Kua, Tai-Chi-Ch'uan, and Shuai Chiao.

Hapkido
Korean martial art founded in 1919 by Yong Shul Choi that combines traditional Korean arts with Aikido style techniques.

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Hybrid Style
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Jeet Kune Do
The martial arts philosophy of Bruce Lee. It stresses simplicity and directness.

Jiu Jutsu
Ancient Japanese martial art that encompasses throwing, joint locks, striking, and weapons training.

Jo Son Do
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Judo
Sportive Japanese martial art founded in 1882 by Jigoro Kano. Derived from Jujutsu, Judo is now an Olympic sport that emphasizes throws. Striking is not allowed in competition Judo.

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Kapu Kuialua
The Hawaiian art of bone breaking. Emphasizes joint locks as well as strikes.

Karate
Name used to identify many Japanese and Okinawan martial arts. While known for powerful, linear techniques, many Karate styles also incorporate softer, circular techniques. Some of the popular styles of Karate are Kyokushinkai, Shotokan, Goju-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu, and Kenpo which was the first "Americanized" version of Karate.

Kenpo
Name used to identify many Japanese and Okinawan martial arts. While known for powerful, linear techniques, many Karate styles also incorporate softer, circular techniques. Some of the popular styles of Karate are Kyokushinkai, Shotokan, Goju-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu, and Kenpo which was the first "Americanized" version of Karate.

Kickboxing
Sportive martial art combining boxing punches and martial arts kicks. Many different styles with different rules exist such as Muay Thai, Full Contact Karate, and Asian Rules Fighting.

Kuk Sool Wan
Korean martial art founded in 1966 by In Hyuk Su that combines kicking and hand strikes with throws and joint locks.

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Kung Fu
Also referred to as Gung Fu, Chinese Boxing, and Wu Shu. There are hundreds of Kung Fu styles. Many are patterned after the movements of animals. Some well known styles of Kung Fu are Wing Chun, Praying Mantis, Pau Kua, Tai-Chi-Ch'uan, and Shuai Chiao.

Moo Yea Do
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Muay Thai
Also referred to as Thai Boxing, Muay Thai is Thailand's most popular spectator sport. This style of kick boxing allows elbows, knees, and low kicks.

Ninjitsu
Feudal Japanese art of the Ninja. Training consists of hand to hand combat, weapons, and stealth.

Pakua-Chan
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

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Pentak Silat
Indonesian martial art that stresses attacks to the body's weak points.

Pitfighting
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Ruas Vale Tudo
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Safta
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Sambo
Russian sportive martial art that combines wrestling and Judo. Specializes in submission holds. Sambo is an acronym that translates to "self defense without weapons."

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Savate
French style of kick boxing noted for precise kicking techniques and the use of shoes in competition.

Shootfighting
Japanese sport combining wrestling, kick boxing, and Jiu-Jitsu.

Sumo
Ancient Japanese sportive martial art that is steeped in tradition. Sumo wrestlers are unusually large men whose goal is to push their opponent out of the ring or make them touch the floor with any part of the body above the knee.

Tae Kwon Do
One of the most practiced martial arts in the world, Tae Kwon Do is a Korean style known for its flashy kicking techniques.

Trapfighting
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

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Tung Kung Kalan
A style that combines two or more pre-existing styles. Strictly speaking, the majority of modern martial arts are hybrid styles. Some of the recent ones to have competed in the UFC are Ruas Vale Tudo, Shootfighting, Moo Yea Do, Pitfighting, Trapfighting, Jo Son Do, ASAX, and SAFTA.

Wrestling
Possibly the world's oldest sport. Contestants struggle hand to hand attempting to throw or take down their opponent without striking blows. Some of the many styles of wrestling are Freestyle, Greco-Roman, and catch as catch can.

All of the current champions are wrestlers by the way. They've got some impressive records too.

quadro2000 · 12-10-2003, 01:46 PM

(Sigh) does anybody know Mad_Gecko's e-mail address? I don't feel right about the way he left and wish he'd come back.

phaedrus · 12-10-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisJericho
Yes Bruce Lee was a great philosopher and actor. However he never participated in any NHB matches or otherwise prove his skills were useful for self defense, therefore it is hard to determine the extent of his fighting ability.

What you talking about? Before he came to the States, he was an underground street fighter in HK. He even won a boxing championship while in high school. In the States, he entered some tournaments. He never lost a match You can read about him <a href="http://www.historylink.org/_output.CFM?file_ID=3999" target="_blank">here</a>, but like most sites I've looked at it focuses on his acting career.

phaedrus · 12-10-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by quadro2000
(Sigh) does anybody know Mad_Gecko's e-mail address? I don't feel right about the way he left and wish he'd come back.

Look at his <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=880" target="_blank">profile</a>, click the part about sending him an email.

Cynthetiq · 12-10-2003, 02:42 PM

folks.. keep the thread civil

he's right there is no name calling

not even a little bit.

12-08-2003, 08:22 PM	#45 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Sure, that's convenient. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-08-2003, 08:40 PM	#46 (permalink)
OFKU0 Junk	Since Mad_Gecko isn't going to tell us about his adventure, one thing I've notice is that no one has commented on is the survival aspect of conflict, or in other words kill or be killed. I've seen guys get beat up,not because they are not tough or don't know how to fight, but because they lack the survival instinct. And when it does kick in it is to late,they have already been beaten. I've also seen martial arts guys getting booted in the head repeated ,not because they didn't know what they were doing,just because they run into a street brawler who has lots of experience fighting,can take any shot repeatedly and is psycho. Kill or be killed. __________________ " In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard.

12-08-2003, 08:58 PM	#47 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Damn straight! That's how it works in the real world. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-09-2003, 02:21 AM	#50 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	MA'S are a tricky subject, I know this due to the fact that I have studied Okinawan Karate, Judo, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Yes, they can teach you how to handle yourself in a fight and also give you self-confidence. However, if your sole motivation for starting a MA is due to this ONE incident, you will probably only last a few months. You really have to be in it for the long haul if you want to become profficeint at an art. That being said, if you DO deicde you want to join a school, these are the things you should be wary of: 1. Children who aren't old enough to have driving permits walking around with Black Belts. This is usually a sign of schools that sell belt rankings and do not have high standards. Typically these are Tae Kwon Do and Karate schools who give out Black Belts after 3 years. These are commonly referred to as "McDojos". 2.Katas/Forms. Despite what anyone tells you these dances will not help you in a self defense situation. Sure they are good for excercise and developing balance, but not much time should be wasted on them. These are the lessons I have learned in my MA experience. Today I would not consider myself a Martial Artist due to the fact that I no longer attend a school. However, I still retain my knowledge of striking from Karate, my throws and trips from Judo, and the groundfighting I learned from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. No matter which art you choose, you have to remember that it's only one piece of the puzzle, no art is complete. Once you realize this you will become a much more dangerous and efficient fighter. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

12-09-2003, 02:59 PM	#54 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	AAHHHHH what happened? We want to know! __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

12-07-2003, 04:33 PM	#41 (permalink)
analog Banned	Sometimes people underestimate what they have not experienced for themselves. Go fight a master. I'll send you a get-well card afterwards. Besides, most would just put you down before a fight could start. They're not usually into beating people up just because they ask for it.

12-08-2003, 07:01 PM	#42 (permalink)
Amarth Loser Location: About 50,000 feet in the air... oh shit.	Tell me who he is. I'll kick his ass fo' you.

12-09-2003, 01:54 AM	#49 (permalink)
Battlefield Crazy	Hey Gak Face I have some experience. I've trained a bit in martial arts and also competed in small(full contact and points) tournaments. Martial arts can help you, it will also give you confidence that you won't get beaten up--it seems like thats what you're looking for. However, it won't stop someone from stabbing you in the back or shooting you or 5 guys from mobbing you(unless you are a movie action hero) Out of personal recommendation I would go with either kickboxing or brazilian jujitsu(or both). A guy at the place I trained used to compete in UFC type circuits and knew quite a bit. His theory was that if you don't knock the guy out in the first punch you are gonna have to grapple which is why jujitsu is so good...

12-09-2003, 03:32 PM	#55 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Yeah, what's the point of learning all that stuff if you're hardly ever going to use them though? It's kind of like exercise, but you can get that from free weights. Also, if you don't have experience in what you're trying to do those arts can turn into a liability. Like you said, being slow, using slow attacks (I can't imagine a situation where someone tries to roundhouse me and I don't tackle them in the back, or take a step forward...), you'll get beat up. Gaining experience in the arts doesn't seem to help either vs. those ufc fellows, I've watched quite a few of those pay per views and they just about always lose. So he can do what he wants, but I say it's more about the person then the style. It sounds more like they use a few moves from a few different styles to me. If every martial art only has a few attacks that are effective, that doesn't do much for your argument. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-09-2003, 06:12 PM	#56 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	<i>Pussies I say. I've experienced plenty of it, how can some goober whose studied books and practiced with people with pads and shit on trying to score points ever perform in a real fight? They haven't, at least the ones I've had the pleasure of beating on (they started it). Also, like I said before, if you check out a place where they take people of all studies and let them duke it out, you'll see I'm right. Stop being condescending as well, it's pissing me off. </i> hey Phaenx, seriously, shut the hell up. You're giving all of us martial artists a bad name. There's nothing wrong with the point-sparring classes as long as that's what the students want and they know that's what they're getting. The ONLY dojos I have a problem with are the point sparring dojos that claim to teach stuff that will work on the street. Even with those guys, I don't start fights with 'em on message boards and I'm not a rude dick to 'em under any circumstances. I'm honestly starting to wonder about YOUR training. My students are taught respect from day one, and frankly it doesn't seem like you have any. You're seriously starting to sound like the DragonBallZ dipshits over on gameFAQ's martial arts board that think they're the blessed offspring of Rambo and Bruce Lee. Ease up, eh? Last edited by shakran; 12-09-2003 at 06:14 PM..

12-09-2003, 07:29 PM	#58 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	The study of martial arts is not a part time commitment. If you can't make the commitment then don't bother wasting your time, get a gun or get over it. __________________ "It better be funny"

12-09-2003, 07:39 PM	#59 (permalink)
gophtc Upright	I would expect good martial artists are as unlikely to be picking fights in parking lots or in other fights youve spectated, as they are to be on UCF. I would think the reasons for this are obvious. Sure their are average fighters but even then they are less likely to "test" their skills in that way. And I think the reasons for that go beyond a matter of style or even respect. In the real world its not kill or be killed. Its hard to find real enemies that "deserve" anything or are even worthy opponents. Without going into it deeply, there are criminals, but thats where the law comes in, there's no killing or even fighting involved. You may say fighting solves conflicts but really when you see people fighting, they probably shouldn't be fighting. There's nothing you can do to stop them because thats what they chose to do, but if you are their friend, you should tell them what they don't see, because they are obviously missing something. Well I agree fighting experience may be important, that only lends support to martial arts. You test your skills with the goal of improving yourself against opponents you respect in a environment that builds comradery and friendship as opposed to proving yourself in spectacles that breed supposed winners and losers. The importance of that I am unsure

12-09-2003, 07:45 PM	#60 (permalink)
basmoq It's a girly girl! Location: OH, USA	I believe the author of this thread has forgotten about it, sad, because this thread seems to be filled with usefull knowledge of the Martial arts, and the useless ramblings of one named Phaenx. As for the latter comment, I make it because he has provided neither usefull information, nor any comments that did not involve his (likely imaginary) adventures in masculinity. I hope for his sake he never picks a fight in real life, cause people carry guns, knives, ... in real life. Good luck to you oh Starter of this Thread. __________________ "There's someone out there for everyone - even if you need a pickaxe, a compass, and night goggles to find them."

12-09-2003, 09:07 PM	#63 (permalink)
Pragma I am Winter Born Location: Alexandria, VA	Phaenx, honestly, what's so far stuck up your ass that you can only see that "any `martial artist - but oh, not martial artists who are boxers, wrestlers, or who learn the military school mixing of martial arts` is obviously a pussy who would get whuped in a real fight"? Is it that improbable that people have self-restraint and choose not to fight, despite being more than able to? Is it that improbable that the people who are well trained and capable of very deadly applications of force (ie: master martial artists from any school) choose not to commercialize their efforts by something like UFC? If I had that kind of power, the last thing I'd do is go pick fights on TV. It would negate everything I'd spent my life learning. __________________ Eat antimatter, Posleen-boy!

12-10-2003, 12:53 AM	#67 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Maybe, certainly in a movie though, Bruce Lee was an actor. He's not alive to prove otherwise as well. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-10-2003, 03:44 AM	#69 (permalink)
gophtc Upright	Phaenx it goes the other way around as well, its really convenient that the only fighters you see are street brawlers in parking lots or prize fighters on UCF. Plus this was apparently not my main point, even if you did not state your opinion on it previously, I knew your obvious answer, I was just trying to give some explanation. And I think most everyone on this board is open to your response, otherwise they would stop posting.

12-10-2003, 06:42 AM	#70 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	I think there is a certain amount of fear and spite in the opinion of many of those people who will call martial arts ineffective. (its funny how this has turned into a martial arts thread) __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'

12-10-2003, 08:04 AM	#71 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	what we have here in Phaenx is a guy who has watched too many ninja movies, and therefore assumes he knows everything there is to know about the martial arts. What we also have here in Phaenx is a guy who will get slaughtered if he picks a fight with the wrong guy. If his mouth is half as obnoxious as his posting is, he's going to learn that very soon. He's obviously not in touch with reality. All we can do for him is suggest that he make sure to keep up with his health insurance premiums, 'cause one of these days he's gonna need it. oh, and Phaenx, you don't even know my line of work, so it's kinda stupid for you to suggest that I change it. But you're right. I don't have very much patience with you. I don't suffer fools gladly. Respect does not mean rolling over and saying that everything you're proposing is absolutely true. Respect is also earned, and the other posters in here have earned respect by not being jerks.

12-10-2003, 09:11 AM	#72 (permalink)
homerhop Insane Location: ÉIRE	I had a great TKD instructor.His training was "this is how you do it in a tournament.... and this is how you do it in the street". I have been in a fair few fights, given beatings and taken beatings.Been hit with everything from bricks to mororbike helmets. Most fights you see will have guys standing with their fists up as shown on tv. Personally the faster you close them down the faster they will panic.There is never such a thing on the street as a fair fight either, you hit,bite,kick them where you can and be prepared to hit the ground with them. __________________ its evolution baby

12-10-2003, 01:46 PM	#77 (permalink)
quadro2000 All Possibility, Made Of Custard Location: New York, NY	(Sigh) does anybody know Mad_Gecko's e-mail address? I don't feel right about the way he left and wish he'd come back. __________________ You have to laugh at yourself...because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't. - Emily Saliers

12-10-2003, 02:42 PM	#80 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	folks.. keep the thread civil he's right there is no name calling not even a little bit. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!